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24 Jan 03 - 08:53 PM (#874307) Subject: Tune Req: Molly Stuart/It WasA'For OurRightfu'King From: GUEST,Kevin.A.Murphy@sff.net Has anyone encounted these songs? The second is a Robert Burns lyric which the note said is sung to the tune of the first. Here: http://www.worldburnsclub.com/poems/translations/it_was_a_for_our_rightfu_king.h Thanks, Kevin |
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24 Jan 03 - 09:35 PM (#874333) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Molly Stuart/It WasA'For OurRightfu'King From: Malcolm Douglas Is it the tune that Burns used that you want? That can be arranged. The song Bonny Mally Stewart (spelled various ways) appeared on broadsides (no copies online that I can see), and a set from tradition (1905) appears in the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection (vol.I, 1981; no.97). |
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24 Jan 03 - 09:42 PM (#874337) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Molly Stuart/It WasA'For OurRightfu'King From: GUEST,Julia Just a note on this song- I understand that the "rightfu' king" in this case is not Bonnie Prince Charlie, but his father. The words were actually made by a Captain Ogilvie who attended King James in exile and was a private soldier in the French service. He died at the Battle of the Rhine in 1695. Burns was responsible for putting the lyrics and the air together. I'm sorry that do not have the actual documentation of this- I scribbled it on my copy of the song and didn't write down the source. Maybe Miraculous Malcolm can corroborate this info Best- Julia |
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24 Jan 03 - 10:05 PM (#874351) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Molly Stuart/It WasA'For OurRightfu'King From: Malcolm Douglas I'm afraid I don't know about that; I have only the short edition of Kinsley's Burns; so without the detailed notes (Masato may have the larger book and be able to help more). It certainly does seem that Burns modelled his song on the earlier one, though; the Greig set of Molly Stuart (however you care to spell it) contains a verse very close to one of Burns'. Molly, assuming the one set I've seen is typical, is one of those songs in which the heroine dresses as a man in order to follow her lover to war; which appears to be in Germany in this case, though Ireland turns up as well for some reason. |
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25 Jan 03 - 10:57 AM (#874633) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Molly Stuart/It WasA'For OurRightfu'King From: Jim McLean A quote from William Stenhouse in Johnson's Musical Museum: "This is another production of Burns, in allusion to [The royal family of Stuart] and the unfortunate fate of many of its adherents. The beautiful air to which his verses are adapted, consisting of one strain, was also communicated by the bard. Mr Hogg had been informed by some person, who thought this an old song, that it was written by a Captain Ogilvie, who was with King James at the battle of the Boyne, and was afterwards killed on the banks of the Rhine in 1695". Jim McLean |
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25 Jan 03 - 12:34 PM (#874701) Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: IT WAS A' FOR OUR RIGHTFU' KING From: Malcolm Douglas I haven't seen the Stenhouse edition, but the story seems reasonable enough; though of course it may be apocryphal. Bonny Mally Stewart appeared in chapbook(s) rather than broadsides as I said earlier. IT WAS A' FOR OUR RIGHTFU' KING (Words by Robert Burns; tune traditional) It was a' for our rightfu' king We left fair Scotland's strand; It was a' for our rightfu' king, We e'er saw Irish land my dear, We e'er saw Irish land. Now a' is done that men can do, And a' is done in vain: My love and Native Land fareweel, For I maun cross the main, my dear, For I maun cross the main. He turn'd him right and round about, Upon the Irish shore, And gae his bridle-reins a shake, With, adieu for evermore, my dear, With adieu for evermore. The soger frae the wars returns, The sailor frae the main, But I hae parted frae my Love, Never to meet again, my dear, Never to meet again. When day is gane, and night is come, And a' folk bound to sleep; I think on him that's far awa, The lee-lang night and weep, my dear, The lee-lang night and weep. From Johnson's Scots Musical Museum, vol.V no.497. X:1 T:It Was a' for our Rightfu' King C:Words by Robert Burns, tune trad. B:Scots Musical Museum, vol.V no.497. N:Roud 5789 L:1/8 Q:1/4=100 M:4/4 K:D AG|F2 (EF) D2 (AG)|F2 EF D3 A| w:It_ was a'_ for our_ right-fu'_ king We B2 (B3/2d/) B2 (AF)|A6 B2| w:left fair_ Scot-land's_ strand; It (A3/2B/) (d3/2e/) {de}f2 f2|(e3/2d/) (e3/2f/) A2 (d3/2e/)| w:was_ a'_ for our right-*fu'_ king, We_ {de}f2 F2 (GF) (ED)|F3 A B2 (de)| w:e'er saw I-*rish_ land my dear, We_ {de}f2 F2 (GF) (EF)|D6|] w:e'er saw I-*rish_ land. |
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13 Jan 24 - 03:28 PM (#4195378) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST,Rory It Was A' For Our Rightfu' King Verses as above. Published unsigned in The Scots Musical Museum, Volume 5, 1796, p.513 (No.497). Robert Burns rewrote the words to the older ballad "Bonny Mally Stewart", (ca. mid 1700s), which was reproduced later in chapbooks, and was popular in the streets of Edinburgh at the close of the eighteenth century. "Bonny Mally Stewart" ends with a verse also associated with Burns's "It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King," and follows the same metrical pattern. "It Was A' For Our Rightfu' King" Verse 3 He turn'd him right and round about, Upon the Irish shore; And gae his bridle reins a shake, With adieu for evermore, my dear, And adieu for evermore. "Bonny Mally Stewart" Verse 11 The trooper turned himself round about, ?all on the Irish shore, He has gi'en on the bridle reins a shake, ?saying adieu for evermore, my dear, ?Saying adieu for evermore. "Bonny Mally Stewart" describes, in eleven stanzas, the parting of the trooper with his sweetheart who, however, disguises herself in men's clothes and follows him. "Bonny Mally Stewart" Printed in various chapbooks J. and M. Robertson, Saltmarket, 1807 W. Macnie, Stirling, 1825 The cold winter is p'st and gone, ?and now comes on the soring, And I am one of the king's life guards ?and I must go fight far my king my dear; ?And I mnst go fight for my king. Now since to the wars you must go, ?one thing I pray grant me It's I will dress myself in man's attire, ?and I'll travel along with thee my dear; ?And I'll travel along with thee. I would not for ten thousand worlds, ?that my love endangered were; The rattling of drums and shining of swords, ?will cause great sorrow and wo my dear, ?Will cause great sorrow and wo. I will do the thing for my true love, ?that she will not do fo me It's I'll put cuffs of luck on my red coat, ?and mourn till the day I die, my dear, ?And mourn till the day I die. I will do more for my true love, ?than he will do for me; I'll cut my hair and roll me bare, ?and mourn till the day I die, ?And mourn till the day I die. So farewell my mother and father dear, ?I'll bid adieu and farewell, My sweet and bonny Mally Stewart, ?you're the cause of all my wo, my dear, ?You're the cause of all my wo. When we came to bonny Stirling town, ?as we lay all in camp By the king's orders we were all taken, ?and to Germany we were all sent, my dear, ?And to Germany we were all sent. So farewell bonny Stirling town, ?and the maids therein also; And farewell bonny Mally Stewart, ?you're the cause of all my wo, my dear, ?You're the cause of all my wo. She took the slippers off her feet, ?and the cockup off her hair; And she has ta'en a long journey, ?for seven lang years and mair, my dear, ?For seven lang years and mair. Sometimes the rade, sometimes she gaed, ?Sometimes sat down to mourn And it was aye the o'ercome o' her tale, ?Shall I e'er see my bonny laddie come. The trooper turned himself round about, ?all on the Irish shore, He has gi'en on the bridle reins a shake, ?saying adieu for evermore, my dear, ?Saying adieu for evermore. |
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13 Jan 24 - 04:27 PM (#4195380) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: Robert B. Waltz Just a note on the comment above, " I understand that the "rightfu' king" in this case is not Bonnie Prince Charlie, but his father." It's not his father but his grandfather, James VII and II. James II, who was Catholic, became King in 1685 when his brother Charles II died. At first, the people supported him, but James kept bringing in Catholic officials. People still accepted him, because his heirs, his daughters Mary and Anne, were protestant. Then James's (second) wife bore a boy, who would have been James III. At that point, the Glorious Revolution began. (I oversimplify dramatically.) James III was the Old Pretender. His son was Bonnie Prince Charlie, the Young Pretender. The author of this song is disputed, but since it takes place on "The Irish Shore," it's about James II and the period around the Battle of the Boyne. |
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13 Jan 24 - 04:30 PM (#4195381) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST,Rory Recording Song; It Was A' For Our Rightfu' King Artist: Ushna - Jackie Clark & Sean Barry Album: Brew it up (1997) https://youtu.be/zvxYP-UL8qc?si=P5_zi_uPpW3fLQ0o The soldier from the war returns, The sailor from the main, But I am parted from my love Never to meet again, My dear - Never to meet again. When day is done, and night is come, And all folks bound to sleep, I think on him that's far away And the lee-long night, I weep, My dear - And the lee-long night, I weep It was all for our rightfu' king We left fair Scotland's strand; It was all for our rightfu' king That we e'er saw Irish land, My dear - That we e'er saw Irish land. It was all for our rightfu' king We left fair Scotland's strand; It was all for our rightfu' king That we e'er saw Irish land, My dear - That we e'er saw Irish land. For all was done that could be done, And all was done in vain, Adieu my Native Land farewell, For I must cross the main, My dear - For I must cross the main. He's turned him right and round about Upon the Irish shore, He's gave his bridle reins a shake, With adieu for evermore, My dear - With adieu for evermore! |
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13 Jan 24 - 04:46 PM (#4195382) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST,Rory Jackie Clark recorded two versions of this song with the verses in different order. Here are the verses in the correct order for this album version on YouTube It was all for our rightfu' king We left fair Scotland's strand; It was all for our rightfu' king That we e'er saw Irish land, My dear - That we e'er saw Irish land. For all was done that could be done, And all was done in vain, Adieu my Native Land farewell, For I must cross the main, My dear - For I must cross the main. He's turned him right and round about Upon the Irish shore, He's gave his bridle reins a shake, With adieu for evermore, My dear - With adieu for evermore! The soldier from the war returns, The sailor from the main, But I am parted from my love Never to meet again, My dear - Never to meet again. When day is done, and night is come, And all folks bound to sleep, I think on him that's far away And the lee-long night, I weep, My dear - And the lee-long night, I weep It was all for our rightfu' king We left fair Scotland's strand; It was all for our rightfu' king That we e'er saw Irish land, My dear - That we e'er saw Irish land. |
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14 Jan 24 - 09:26 AM (#4195421) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST Dougie MacLean's version : https://youtu.be/ix1L-KSSCGo?si=Gi93KTZi87jNXAe1 |
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16 Jan 24 - 07:49 PM (#4195586) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST,Sol It Was For Oor Rightfu King - Ian Bruce |
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17 Jan 24 - 05:20 PM (#4195648) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: Tattie Bogle It's an old, old thread, but if anyone still wants the dots for the usual tune used, pm me for a simple score. |
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19 Jan 24 - 10:02 AM (#4195769) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST,James Phillips Ossian recorded a mega version of this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T5_BeMUzGw |
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19 Jan 24 - 10:03 AM (#4195770) Subject: RE: Tune Req: It Was A' for Our Rightfu' King (Burns) From: GUEST,James Phillips Sorry didn't make the above Ossian link clickable! |