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03 Feb 03 - 02:09 PM (#881549) Subject: Phil Spector arrested From: Rustic Rebel I just heard this on the news, they picked Phil Spector-music producer, up for a shooting murder. Not much details yet. Rustic
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03 Feb 03 - 02:22 PM (#881570) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST Can't say as I'm shocked by the news, sadly. From CNN: LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Music industry mogul Phil Spector was detained Monday following an early morning homicide in the town of Alhambra outside Los Angeles. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said Alhambra, California, police received a 911 call at 5 a.m. (8 a.m. ET). Officers responded to the house near the intersection of Grandview and Valley. At the scene police found one woman dead and took Spector into custody. The sheriff's department said it considers Spector a suspect in the case. Spector worked with such artists as the Beatles, The Righteous Brothers and Ike and Tina Turner. Spector's Wall of Sound stands as a landmark in recording history. His work produced some of rock's best loved music. |
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03 Feb 03 - 02:26 PM (#881576) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Rustic Rebel I found this at the rock and roll hall of fame site. Phil Spector is among the greatest producers of rock and roll, and some would passionately argue that he is the greatest ever. His ambitious approach to the art of record production helped redefine and revitalize rock and roll during its early-Sixties slump. On a string of classic records released between 1961 and 1966 on his Philles label, he elevated the monaural 45 rpm single to an art form. "Little symphonies for the kiddies," he called them, and they were indeed dramatic pop records possessed of a grandeur and intimacy theretofore uncommon in rock and roll. He was born Harvey Phillip Spector in the Bronx in 1940. He picked up guitar and piano in high school and began writing and recording original songs with classmate Marshall Lieb. Joined by a third friend, Annette Bard, they formed the Teddy Bears and had a Top Ten hit with "To Know Him Is to Love Him." Spector was 17 years old. His creative genius as a writer/producer flourished, as he cowrote the classic "Spanish Harlem" with Jerry Leiber (of Leiber and Stoller), a soul hit for Ben E. King. In the early Sixties, he produced hits for such artists as Gene Pitney ("Every Breath I Take"), Curtis Lee ("Pretty Little Angel Eyes") and the Paris Sisters ("I Love How You Love Me"). In 1961, he co-founded the Philles label with partner Lester Sill, and was immediately successful with "There's No Other (Like My Baby)," by the Crystals. Spector utilized the studio like no producer before him. In exploring its possibilities, he constructed a musical monolith known as the "Wall of Sound." The chief ingredients in the Wall of Sound ñ a massive and cavernous roar created by the fusing of many individual instruments ñ were maximum volume and liberal use of echo. Spector exhibited a singular knack for matching talented singers with expert session musicians and wonderful songs. He worked his charges through endless takes as he tried to realize the sound he heard in his head. Several of the many timeless Spector-produced hits that stand as a testament to his genius include "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "He's a Rebel" and "Then He Kissed Me" (by the Crystals); "Be My Baby," "Baby, I Love You" and "Walking in the Rain" (by the Ronettes); "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'," "Unchained Melody" and "Ebb Tide" (by the Righteous Brothers); and "River Deep - Mountain High" (by Ike and Tina Turner). After the glory days of Top Forty radio began waning in the late Sixties, Spector's impact inevitably ebbed as well. However, he adapted to changing circumstances and went on to produce the Beatles (Let It Be), John Lennon (Plastic Ono Band) and George Harrison (All Things Must Pass), plus acts ranging from Cher to the Ramones. Peace. Rustic |
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03 Feb 03 - 02:52 PM (#881606) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: open mike news item |
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03 Feb 03 - 03:04 PM (#881618) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Bobert Man, that's purdy danged scarey. I mean, I once sat on a couch and talked with the man. Glad I didn't say anything too stupid 'er.... Whew... Bobert |
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03 Feb 03 - 03:17 PM (#881637) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Genie Not many details yet. Let's not jump to conclusions. |
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03 Feb 03 - 03:19 PM (#881638) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST Despite his talent, he always struck me as a very strange human being. Nothing would suprise me. |
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03 Feb 03 - 03:22 PM (#881643) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST He has a long history of violence, particularly with weapons. Nearly everyone he worked with has a story of him pulling a gun on them. Let's not jump to conclusions? Please. Looks like he has been caught red handed. |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:01 PM (#881738) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Walking Eagle Unpredictability and violence is why Ronnie left him. Still, we must not rush to judgement. |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:34 PM (#881772) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Nemesis The Weekend Telegraph here in the UK just did a great big article on him .. apparently the journalist is about the first person in 25 years to interview him |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:51 PM (#881786) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST He has now been charged with murder. |
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03 Feb 03 - 05:59 PM (#881796) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST Another excerpt from CNN: The reclusive Spector, 62, was arrested at his sprawling home in Alhambra after a report of a shooting about 5 a.m. Monday (8 a.m. ET). Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Faye Bugarin said the woman was pronounced dead at the home, which is modeled after a Pyrenean castle. Alhambra police arrested Spector on a first-degree murder charge shortly after 6 a.m., with bail set at $1 million. No court appearance was immediately scheduled. The victim's identity has not been released. Her body had not yet been removed from the home early Monday afternoon. It was not clear whether the 911 call reporting the shooting came from Spector's home or a neighbor. Neighbors questioned by CNN said they had not heard a shooting. Prominent defense attorney Robert Shapiro told CNN he is representing Spector. Shapiro was part of football star O.J. Simpson's winning legal team in Simpson's 1995 murder trial. Attorney Marvin Mitchelson, a close friend of Spector's, told The Associated Press the producer lived alone and didn't have a girlfriend. Mitchelson said he and Spector had been trying to put together a movie about Spector's life. "His mental state has been great -- very rational, very together," the attorney said. The rest of the article is here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/03/spector.arrest/index.html |
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03 Feb 03 - 07:40 PM (#881889) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Rick Fielding Jeez, OJ, Beretta, and now Phil. Don't any of these guys know that the rich HIRE people to do their shootin'? Shit, bad taste. Sorry. Ricky |
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03 Feb 03 - 10:31 PM (#881991) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Walking Eagle Be interesting to find out who the 'woman' is. Hopoe it isn't Ronnie. |
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04 Feb 03 - 02:20 AM (#882020) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Bugsy Made a real Spector-cle of hisself. Cheers Bugsy |
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04 Feb 03 - 04:43 AM (#882063) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: fogie He has been treated for schizophrenia hasn't he? Living alone in a castle, and maybe not well supervised. He should have taken a leaf out of Ozzie Osbornes book. |
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04 Feb 03 - 04:55 AM (#882068) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Bullfrog Jones Latest news said he's out on a million dollars bail. BJ |
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04 Feb 03 - 08:30 AM (#882149) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST Gotta love the wealthy, don't ya? Walks in less than 24. |
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04 Feb 03 - 03:06 PM (#882493) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Nemesis In the Telegraph article it made mention of his female Personal Assistant in her early '40s at his home when the journalist arrived. I think if you go to www.telegraph.co.uk .. you'll need to register and then go to the MUSIC section ... the article or part there of is online this week... |
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04 Feb 03 - 03:24 PM (#882517) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: open mike the victim has been identified looks like the house cost a million.. and the car cost a million.. and the bail cost a million... Spector, 62, whose ``wall of sound'' technique transformed 1960s pop music, was freed Monday night after posting $1 million bond. He had been arrested before dawn after the body of 40-year-old Lana Clarkson was found, Los Angeles County sheriff's Deputy Richard Westin said. Clarkson was believed to have been a TV and film actress. Authorities wouldn't comment on her occupation or what her relationship was to Spector. Los Angeles County sheriff's Lt. Daniel Rosenberg said Clarkson was found in the foyer of the mansion, which is 15 miles northeast of Los Angeles. He said deputies found the weapon used in the slaying but declined to say where in the house it was located. The call reporting that shots had been fired came from inside the residence, Rosenberg said. Authorities towed away a black Mercedes-Benz. ``I heard the boom, boom, boom. It was about three or four shots,'' neighbor Terrie Arias told Los Angeles television station KNBC. ``I just ignored them because I never thought it was a shooting.'' Spector lived alone and didn't have a girlfriend, according to close friend Marvin Mitchelson, a prominent Los Angeles attorney. According to records, Spector bought the house in 1998 for $1.1 million. |
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04 Feb 03 - 05:41 PM (#882626) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Willie-O I heard he was dating Nancy Sinatra. The news story I read today implied that she might be the victim. Guess not. |
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04 Feb 03 - 05:46 PM (#882634) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Jack the Sailor He should have De do run run. |
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05 Feb 03 - 03:45 AM (#882884) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: leprechaun Run run run run runaway. |
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05 Feb 03 - 01:46 PM (#883278) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: BlueFolk I guess this Fool On The Hill lived a drugs-drenched life in his secluded mansion. His post-1965 productions were all done with the Lennons, Dion di Mucchi's or Ramones, infamous for their abuse at that time. And Cher... do you believe she was clean...? |
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05 Feb 03 - 02:00 PM (#883294) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: JedMarum don't burst my balloon! Not Cher?? ;-) |
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05 Feb 03 - 02:06 PM (#883301) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Frankham I once took a recording course on record production offered in L.A. which was held at the now-defunct Ash Grove. Phil Spector presided. He was very nervous, quick-witted, and at the ready to respond to anything he would consider negative. I was naive. I asked him (because I was interested in raising money for recording) how he raised his money to do his recording. It was intended as a question which I felt concerned many who were interested in financing or capitalizing a session. His answer was, "None of your damned business!" Years later, I pondered his response. I was thinking about the early days of rock and roll and it's association with the underworld. Maybe there was something I really didn't want to know and he probably was right in sparing me the gory details. Frank |
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05 Feb 03 - 02:19 PM (#883308) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Willie-O Hey, you were lucky he just swore at you, Frankham. He was probably armed! And you made him more paranoid... The underworld stuff didn't end in the early days either. I have a mid-80's Rolling Stone with a story on a mobster takeover of a record company. And of course many successful rock bands--the dot-coms of their day--invested heavily in the drug biz. Shouldn't make light of it. It's just so goddamned Hollywood...LAWood...Sunset Boulevard... W-O unarmed Canadian musician |
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05 Feb 03 - 04:17 PM (#883421) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Cluin Hearing Phil Spector's production on Ronnie's "Be My Baby" drove Brian Wilson crazy. |
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05 Feb 03 - 06:12 PM (#883520) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Frankham Willie-O Having lived twenty years (too long) in the LA area, I agree with you completely. It's really amazing the drug trade that still goes on and has found its way into the movie industry. I taught Phil's ex wife Annette guitar for a while in the 60's and she was a very nice lady. Spector was a talented guy. Innovative. "The Big Hurt" by Gogi Grant was the first record to employ the signal processing device known as "phasing". But I believe that the commerical music business can drive a performer nuts. Note to all those singer-songwriters out there who want to catch the brass ring. More'n likely you'll fall off the horse. "Come all ye young singer-songwriters, take a warnin' from me"................................................ Frank |
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05 Feb 03 - 06:40 PM (#883543) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Socorro An especially fascinating detail to me is the address, which is less than a mile from the house i lived in from 3rd grade, until I left home, age 20. It was working class then & very dismal - I wonder if it's really changed that much?? I was last there in 1980, and it was gang-infested and VERY rough. I can just see him buying a mansion in El Sereno (barrio to the hilt) unless, as i say, things have done a reversal in the past 20 yrs. It's almost symbolic of his life. |
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05 Feb 03 - 06:48 PM (#883549) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST Didn't the advent of stereo kill Spector's career? That's what I read once. He developed the 'Wall of Sound' and considered it perfect. Then technology went and changed on him and he just retired. I wonder how he'd feel about computers? Pac Man guy in a Play Station world? |
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05 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM (#883552) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST Socorro, I read the mansion was originally a motel, so it could be the neighborhood has changed a lot since 1980. |
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05 Feb 03 - 07:41 PM (#883587) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: katlaughing One article I read, today, said he and the victim had just met the night before. It also said the chauffeur was the one to call the cops right after he dropped them off and heard the shots. He was driving Spector's Mercedes Benz. |
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06 Feb 03 - 07:21 AM (#883878) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: GUEST He is a rich man, so I'm sure he'll get off scot free. |
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06 Feb 03 - 07:10 PM (#884358) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Socorro Casting my mind back to childhood in Alhambra, i remember hearing of a place called "the Alhambra Castle",(in Alhambra, not Spain, hard though that was for me to believe). I never had occasion to see it. I would sure love to see photos of it, and the surrounding neighborhood. Somebody mentioned that Brian Wilson was a big fan of "Be my Baby". So was I, and now I understand why The Beach Boys' "Do it Again" has always been my favorite of theirs - it sounds a lot like Be my Baby, now that i think of it. |
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06 Feb 03 - 07:32 PM (#884384) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: katlaughing Socorro, it took some digging on google, but I finally found this page which, if you scroll down a bit, has a photo of his "castle:" just click here. His dad committed suicide when he was 9. He wrote his first hit when he was 17 and the title was taken from his dad's gravestone: "To know him is to love him." |
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06 Feb 03 - 11:54 PM (#884516) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: mousethief Frankham, can you explain to the uninitiate what "phasing" is? Thanks, Alex |
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07 Feb 03 - 01:11 AM (#884558) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Rick Fielding Hi Frank. Hate to be a nerd about songs, but didn't Toni Fisher sing "The Big Hurt"? If Gogi Grant had another hit besides "The Wayward Wind" it never reached Montreal. Cheers Rick |
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07 Feb 03 - 09:37 PM (#885248) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Socorro kat - Thank you for the link. I expected the castle to be more stone & Gothic! Also, it looks like a lot of the smog has been cleaned up since I was there. |
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07 Feb 03 - 10:54 PM (#885270) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Frankham Katlaughing, I read the blurb. It's so weird because I was a grade ahead of Spector at Fairfax HS in Los Angeles. I believe the Herb Alpert was also in that same class. Another interesting notable is Norm Cohen who wrote the great folk music book "Long Steel Rail". I don't know when he went there. Socorro, I remember the LA that you do. I lived in City Terrace as a small child. It's all barrio now. Can't go there. The Rifas have taken over. Never saw Spector's Alhambra residence, though. Frank |
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07 Feb 03 - 10:56 PM (#885271) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Frankham Rick, you might be right. But I never heard the Toni Fisher version. Maybe I confused the two. Frank |
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07 Feb 03 - 11:13 PM (#885281) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: katlaughing Socorro, you're welcome. Satified my curiosity, too. Thought it was rather pretty in a fairytale kind of way. Frank? Did I miss something? Sorry if I did. I really enjoy it when you reminisce in the threads. Thanks, kat |
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14 Apr 09 - 05:36 AM (#2610786) Subject: Phil Spector found guilty From: Bonnie Shaljean Well, it's finally over: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6984082.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/14/phil-spector-murder-conviction-appea Plenty more in the Google news links |
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14 Apr 09 - 06:04 AM (#2610796) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Les in Chorlton Will he be killed now? L in C |
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14 Apr 09 - 06:10 AM (#2610799) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: GUEST,Jake Up against a "wall of sound" and shot?? |
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14 Apr 09 - 07:33 AM (#2610836) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Ron Davies Seems pretty clear this is the right verdict. It certainly was not "involuntary manslaughter". And it's about time. |
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14 Apr 09 - 08:00 AM (#2610858) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: catspaw49 'bout time........... Spaw |
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14 Apr 09 - 08:34 AM (#2610879) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Richard Bridge The reports seem to assert further appeals... |
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14 Apr 09 - 08:39 AM (#2610881) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: GUEST,Guest Miskin man From the few clips I have heard, the most recent from his publicist, any appeal could only be on a tchnicality. |
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14 Apr 09 - 08:53 AM (#2610891) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Dave the Gnome I guess all he can da do is run, run, run. Da Do, run, run... I'll get my coat. DeG |
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14 Apr 09 - 09:06 AM (#2610899) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Leadfingers Another 'flawed Genius' ? |
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14 Apr 09 - 09:17 AM (#2610908) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: M.Ted It should have been over along time ago, but Phil has a lot of money, and a lot of powerful friends. I have a feeling that it is far from over. And, by the way, the "Wall of Sound" sound itself had mostly to do with Jack Nitzsche, who was the arranger. |
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14 Apr 09 - 10:11 AM (#2610941) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: GUEST,Ken Brock A clue to what to expect later could come from the only single on his Phillies label that failed to chart: "When He Hit Me (It Felt Like a Kiss)". |
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14 Apr 09 - 10:13 AM (#2610945) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: wysiwyg Alcoholic blackout on top of psychological pathology. Responsible despite blackout because he knew he could never drink again, and he knew what his history had been when he did. ~Susan |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:01 AM (#2610984) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego There are some folks who become so pathologically arrogant that they come to believe they are untouchable. Phil Spector is only the latest example to be disabused of that notion. O.J. preceded him. A lot of young actors, musicians and pro athletes who make millions so early in life suffer the same delusion, having been pampered and protected and indulged for most of their public lives. Most don't kill people, but many abuse others and take full advantage of their celebrity in very inappropriate ways. An object lesson such as this won't likely change that. |
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14 Apr 09 - 11:07 AM (#2610993) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Bonnie Shaljean It'll stop HIM from doing it again, though. Which I have no doubt that he would. If he could. |
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14 Apr 09 - 01:21 PM (#2611085) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Rog Peek Verdict - Guilty! Rog |
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14 Apr 09 - 01:58 PM (#2611103) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: Lox Prison is the perfect place for him to confront himself. I've seen him being interviewed and it sems that one of his big defining features (according to him) is his preoccupation with death on one hand, and his atheism on the other. I've always felt that to be a succeful atheist you have to forget about death and enjoy life. Well I have a feeling he won't be enjoying "life"... ... and looking at his health it won't be too long before his death ... I feel for him, but I'm sure this is right for him. |
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14 Apr 09 - 02:31 PM (#2611126) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: Billy Weeks Every press mention of Spector credits him with the concept of 'the wall of sound'. The Stan Kenton band was producing a 'wall of sound' some years before Spector appeared on the scene. |
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14 Apr 09 - 03:02 PM (#2611140) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested From: open mike http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/5154302/Phil-Spector-nobody-would-want-his-life-now.html http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g93Q_UR0CRpFh-FS-4UbHXxI-dvAD97I4FIO0 |
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14 Apr 09 - 03:13 PM (#2611144) Subject: RE: Phil Spector found guilty From: open mike http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/us/14spector.html?hp |
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15 Apr 09 - 05:51 AM (#2611530) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Backwoodsman Pease God, let that be a f**kin' wig. Nope, it's a dead cat. |
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15 Apr 09 - 11:36 AM (#2611728) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009 From: Stringsinger I was at a seminar that Phil gave at the Ash Grove on record production in the early seventies. I asked a question, where do you get money from to produce a record? He took the question personally when it was just meant as a general inquiry. He was really nasty. I later thought about it. I think his money came from a place where I wouldn't want to go. Frank |
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15 Apr 09 - 01:32 PM (#2611803) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Bonzo3legs Never liked his productions, give me Johnny Kidd & the Pirates anytime. One guitar one bass one drummer and the best male vocalist in 50 years. |
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15 Apr 09 - 04:57 PM (#2611940) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: GUEST,lox Stringsinger, I reckon he's going back to that place now permanently ... |
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15 Apr 09 - 07:25 PM (#2612027) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: The Sandman Another 'flawed Genius' ? [quote] ha ha . an overrated murderer. |
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17 Apr 09 - 06:51 AM (#2612994) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Les in Chorlton Strange place the "World of Pop"? But will he be killed now? L in C |
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18 Apr 09 - 03:40 AM (#2613662) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Les in Chorlton They kill common people don't they? L in C |
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18 Apr 09 - 11:50 PM (#2614209) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Kent Davis Les in Chorlton, Actually no, we don't "kill common people". Only very uncommon people are executed. In 2008, in a nation of over 300,000,000, there were around 17,000 murders committed, but only 37 instances of capital punishment. Kent |
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19 Apr 09 - 12:22 PM (#2614430) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009 From: Stringsinger Spector was a pioneer in rock record production. It sometimes becomes necessary to separate the person from the art form. Who would like to have been around Miles Davis or Sidney Bechet for very long? Leadbelly said that Billy Holiday was "one of the most evil women" he ever met. But needless to say, Spector committed a heinous crime and should be incarcerated for it. Frank Rossolino was an exceptional jazz trombone player who did a terrible thing, killed and wounded his family members before killing himself. Do we condemn Giesiking's (sp?) for performing for the Nazis? It's a tough call but humanity doesn't always run alongside of art. |
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19 Apr 09 - 03:04 PM (#2614516) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Les in Chorlton Thanks Kent, that's a very precise reply, I thought people were finding it too tricky a subject to answer. This I find surprising as people seem only too ready to reply with strong opinions on all kinds of things. I was under the impression that most states used the Death Penalty and that a lot more than 37 people had been executed in 2008. My ignorance. I guess a lot are on Death Row but stay there for a long time while legal battles go on. Does California use the Death Penalty? In most legal systems poor 'common' people get locked up and killed disproportionately, hence my other point. Thanks again L in C |
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19 Apr 09 - 03:56 PM (#2614564) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Kent Davis Les in Chorlton, You are welcome. California has about 36,000,000 inhabitants. Capital punishment was re-legalized in the U.S. 32 years ago. Since then, California has executed 13 people. With 667 on death row in California, and with 13 executions in 32 years, you might say they are not exactly rushing to judgment. Capital punishment is legal in 35 states. The federal government also uses capital punishment (3 executions in 32 years, most famously Timothy McVeigh, who, on this date in 1995, killed 168 people with a fertilizer & diesel fuel bomb.) Kent |
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20 Apr 09 - 03:29 AM (#2614814) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Les in Chorlton Thanks again Kent, How are things in Texas L in C |
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20 Apr 09 - 01:29 PM (#2614948) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Mary Katherine Regardless of the use or non-use of the death penalty in California, Phil Spector will not be executed because he was not found guilty of first-degree murder. He was found guilty of second-degree murder, the distinction being that the former crime is eligible for the death penalty while the latter is not. He has not yet been sentenced, but the "standard" sentence for second-degree murder is 25 years to life in prison. Since he will be 70 on his next birthday, a sentence of the minimum, 25 years, will amount to life in prison as far as he is concerned, even if they knock off a few years for good behavior. He is not in good health to begin with, and prison health care is not very good in general. Incarceration will probably shorten his life; he is a borderline diabetic, and prison fare is not known for its healthful qualities. |
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20 Apr 09 - 03:11 PM (#2615036) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: High Hopes (inactive) Your point being, Kent? |
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20 Apr 09 - 09:26 PM (#2615290) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Kent Davis High Hopes, My point was to answer the question that Les in Chorlton asked on the 17th and, having received no answer, asked again on the 18th. I'm sorry that wasn't clear to you. I will try to be clearer: Even if Phil Spector had been convicted of capital murder (rather than second-degree murder), and even if he had been poor and obscure (rather than rich and famous), it is unlikely that he would have been executed. Executions are rare in the U.S. as a whole, and are rare in California, where Spector was convicted. Les in Chorlton, Texas is the state that has executed the greatest number. Texas has over 24 million inhabitants and has, in the past 32 years, executed 436 murderers. Kent |
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21 Apr 09 - 02:16 AM (#2615425) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Les in Chorlton Thanks |
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30 May 09 - 05:38 AM (#2644083) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009 From: GUEST,Toasted Phil Spector gets 19 years for murder |
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30 May 09 - 05:34 PM (#2644419) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: open mike and sentenced--http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30997216/ http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Jury-Reaches-Verdict-in-Spector-Case.html |
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30 May 09 - 08:15 PM (#2644533) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Joe_F They did well not to put me on his jury. I believe that the wish to maximize the size of an audience is prima facie evidence of moral turpitude. |
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31 May 09 - 12:22 AM (#2644627) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: open mike he does have a spooky, ghostly look about him : spectre |
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31 May 09 - 12:32 AM (#2644633) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: GUEST Phil did well with 19yrs. My cousin's already done 19 out of 33-50 and he only commited armed robbery in which not one hair on one head was harmed, where's the justice for murder? Barry, on another's computer |
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31 May 09 - 03:39 PM (#2645062) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009 From: SPB-Cooperator US sounds a dangerous place to be. 17,000 murders per 300,000,000 population. On that basis we should expext 3,000+ in UK per year. Thankfully it is much lower. (743 for 2006/7.) |
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31 May 09 - 04:24 PM (#2645101) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Jean(eanjay) Barry, I think he got 19 years to life. Apparently he's selling his mansion to fund his appeal but in reality there probably is little chance that he will ever be free. What a mess! |
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01 Jun 09 - 03:46 PM (#2645795) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: GUEST,Tunesmith Interestingly, a friend of mine reckons that the BBC have "banned" recordings by Gary Glitter. But, I bet they don't ban Phil Spector's recordings! Which begs the question: which is the worst evil? Having sex with under-aged girls, or murdering someone. |
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01 Jun 09 - 04:15 PM (#2645827) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: Rifleman (inactive) I don't believe Spector will leave prison under his own steam. the 19 years to life sentence is a life sentence. a side bar to all this: I wonder if his membership in the Rock 'n' Roll of Fame will be effected in anyway? |
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01 Jun 09 - 04:53 PM (#2645858) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: heric The guy has five kids being kept out of the news. |
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01 Jun 09 - 05:09 PM (#2645870) Subject: RE: Phil Spector arrested (2003)/found guilty(2009) From: bankley "prison wall of sound"... he won't make it inside he's already a dead man walking... |