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14 Apr 03 - 10:59 PM (#933628) Subject: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Metchosin An very interesting interview on the CBC Radio this evening with Dr. Henry Heimlich, the creator of the Heimlich Manouver. It looks as if Heimlich has found a method for treating AIDS that really works. By infecting patients with a curable form of malaria and thereby substantially increasing T cell production in the body, Heimlich seems to have come up with a effective treatment for AIDS, borne out by some remarkable field trials. This treatment was used in the early 1900's to cure brain syphilis with great success. The discoverer received a Nobel Prize. Heimlich presented a paper on this at the International AIDS Conference in Vancouver, BC in 1996, but because AIDS drugs had come on the market little interest was given to his pursuit. Now that a lot of the very expensive original AIDS drugs are proving ineffective, it is hoped that interest will be sparked in his on going field trials in China. The drug companies must be just ill over this and are probably trying to discredit his research. The Heimlich Institute - Malarial Therapy |
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14 Apr 03 - 11:06 PM (#933632) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Amos Wow -- really interesting approach!! LEt's hope it actually works reliably. Screw the drug companies -- they are generally gouging the world at a mad rate in the first place. When it comes to lying about scientific progress in order to protect a dirty little rice bowl, I draw the line. A |
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14 Apr 03 - 11:17 PM (#933639) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Metchosin It seems to Amos, a trial was done Africa using two groups of children. The group that did not receive the malaria treatment had thirty five deaths within the two year period following and of the group treated with the malaria, none had died within the two year period. Probably too soon for a definitve answer, but it sure looks promising. |
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15 Apr 03 - 12:19 AM (#933664) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Forum Lurker That's just really amazing. I wonder if it would be effective to boost the immune system of chemotherapy patients. |
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15 Apr 03 - 12:52 AM (#933685) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: DonMeixner I understand from the interview and others I have heard in the past that this type of treatment is unusual in the present but very common in years gone by. It was greatly disheartening to hear that the reason this treatment hadn't been tried before when suggest at an AIDS symposium in Vancouver was because the drug regimen had just been released and the drug companies would have their profits. But great news none the less. That along with the possible cure for diabetes just over the hill and this is a great decade that has barely begun. Now for a cure for CP, MS, MD, and 65 Roses and I'll be a happy man indeed. Don |
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15 Apr 03 - 01:09 AM (#933693) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Metchosin A possible cure for Crohn's Disease may be in the works as well and hasn't received the press that might be due. It seems that it may not be the crap that we now have in our environment that is causing the problem, but the crap that we no longer have, which may be key. Some kinds of intestinal worms might be your friends. |
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15 Apr 03 - 01:31 AM (#933699) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: open mike what's 65 roses? |
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15 Apr 03 - 01:47 AM (#933704) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Metchosin 65 Roses is Cystic Fibrosis, seems small children found this easier to pronounce for the disease that afflicts them and it stuck. |
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15 Apr 03 - 02:30 AM (#933719) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Mudlark Very promising news, and interesting in light of all auto-immune disease (caution needed, however, as an increase in immune cells can precipitate auto-imnmune response...the base problem is sort of the reverse of AIDS.) Now the drug companies will probably fall all over themselves to come up with new, improved (and very expensive) malarial antidotes. Re Heimlich...Eddie Izzard says the man calls it "The Me Maneuver." |
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15 Apr 03 - 02:47 AM (#933724) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Ebbie Man. What a hopeful thought. Wouldn't it be a fine thing if they have come up with an approach that leads to a breakthrough. |
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15 Apr 03 - 03:06 AM (#933733) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Metchosin They'd be too late Mudlark, the antidote used on the form of malaria used in the treatment is cheap, has no need of improvement and has been readily available and in use for years. And he's gone to China with his research, brilliant move. |
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15 Apr 03 - 08:58 AM (#933890) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: alanabit Yes, double good news if it really works. One is already very pleased if a cure is found to an illness, but if it buggers the drug companies - well - it really is a good day! |
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16 Apr 03 - 06:36 AM (#934597) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: GUEST,Bagpuss From what little I have read, this work seems very contraversial and I'm not sure if all of that is pressure from the drug companies. Heimlich has been working on malariotherapy since the early 80's as a possible treatment for cancer, AIDS and Lyme Disease, but I have never read anything more promising than small studies with indications that it may be promising, rather than full scale trials. There is an awful lot of medical research that gets to the 'promising' stage and is blasted around the media as the next big thing, but unfortunately fails to get the confirming evidence as research progresses. So I won't be getting any hopes up about this one just yet. |
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16 Apr 03 - 07:17 AM (#934620) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: catspaw49 That's some great info and I too hope it comes to fruition!!!! And I second the Eddie Izzard comment....He does a really cute bit about Heimlich inventing "the maneuver." Spaw |
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16 Apr 03 - 07:47 AM (#934628) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Rapparee He's got a sense of humor, too. There is debate, however, about using the Manuver instead of CPR on drowning victims. |
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16 Apr 03 - 11:14 AM (#934757) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: katlaughing Hopeful news, for sure. Thanks, Mets! Don, what have you heard about cures for diabetes? I've missed whatever it was? Thanks, kat |
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16 Apr 03 - 12:42 PM (#934808) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: JenEllen Just for a chuckle, and audio piece of Izzard's "Maneuver" can be found HERE Under Comedy, Dress to Kill, and Audio clips (the site URL never changed as I browsed) Frying pan to the head, knee to the groin, hoocha-hoocha-hoocha, ~JE |
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16 Apr 03 - 01:11 PM (#934826) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Uncle_DaveO It seems that, apart from the controversiality of the treatment itself, there is heavy critcism of Dr. Heimlich for his human experimentation. Other investigators, from UCLA, who helped him, have been reprimanded by UCLA, and UCLA has demanded that all reference to UCLA be removed from the documentation and reports of the research. Frankly, I think this criticism arises largely from two background causes, which are not easily distinguished sometimes: 1. The semi-instinctive opposition that always seems to arise among the medical fraternity when something comes along that threatens to change paradigms; and 2. The pharmaceutical industry and doctors whose livings and ways of operation are tied to the administration of drugs, who react negatively when a new development seems to threaten not only their world-view but their finances. Dave Oesterreich |
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16 Apr 03 - 01:40 PM (#934849) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: katlaughing I think you nailed it, Dave! JenEllen, thanks for the link!! I've listened to them all, now! Hysterical! |
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16 Apr 03 - 02:15 PM (#934870) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: catspaw49 Thanks to you JE!!!! My favorite "Executive Transvestite" and "Action Transvestite" as well. He does great stand-up but I wish they had taped a performance of "Lenny." HBO shows the one special every now and then and I watch it every time....Great stream of consciousness mind. Spaw |
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16 Apr 03 - 02:23 PM (#934878) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: DonMeixner Kat , Islet transplantation from donors has lessened the impact of diabetes in some and reversed it in others. I believe it is an out growth of "T" cell research and much of this work has been done in faraway Canada. Apparently once emplanted the islet cells begin to regrow and begin to produce insulin almost immediately. Some place I have also read that other secodary diabetec tendencies are moderated and in some cases reverse aswell. Most notable in the area of vision. Don |
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16 Apr 03 - 02:35 PM (#934886) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: JenEllen Yerwelcome, kat and Spaw. The guy floors me, and Mudlark sparked it with memories of "I call it the ME man-ooo-vah". We weren't expecting such a run on cake... ...so my only other choice is "Or Death"?... ~JE |
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16 Apr 03 - 03:57 PM (#934924) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: katlaughing Don, thank you, very much. I'll have to tell my neice as she's been diabetic since quite young. |
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16 Apr 03 - 05:03 PM (#934972) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: catspaw49 I just want to put babies on spikes! Spaw |
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17 Apr 03 - 06:01 AM (#935305) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: Bagpuss And don't forget the cats are all drilling behind the sofa... |
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17 Apr 03 - 11:03 AM (#935447) Subject: RE: BS: Hooray For Heimlich!!! From: JenEllen Courtesy of my pet grad student: "Honey, wake up, I've invented a mah-noooo-vah" "What are you now? A tank commander?" puduh-puduh-puduh-CIAO, ~JE |