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18 Aug 03 - 08:58 AM (#1003978) Subject: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: skarpi halló all , In next month 11 Icelandic people will perform a saga of " Njála " they will sing the lyrics in English. Their location is Moll of America I don´t where that is in the state but is that not in Minniappolis? sorry about my spelling . Anyway they are all gonna look like the vikings did when they where up, I just listen to them in Icelandic tv this morning and it was a very good performing. So if anyone have some intrest to watch them you should go to the moll, i think you can get informmation with the moll, they should have a wep side somewhere. All the best Sakrpi Iceland. |
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18 Aug 03 - 11:36 AM (#1004058) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: GUEST Hey skarpi, thanks for information. The Mall of America is in Minneapolis/St Paul (what is called the Twin Cities), and the state is Minnesota. Here is a link to their website: Mall of America And a link to information about the Iceland events: Experience Iceland |
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18 Aug 03 - 11:55 AM (#1004074) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: GUEST After my Mudcat reading here, I stumbled across this article in today's NY Times: "Iceland's Whale Hunt Resumes" Will the Icelandic singers be singing any whaling songs at the Mall of America? ;-) |
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18 Aug 03 - 12:51 PM (#1004100) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: GUEST,leeneia Too bad, I will be in France, then! Nonetheless, to everyone that's reading this, go to Iceland some day. It is a spectacularly beautiful country with nice people and many interesting birds. I've been there and plan to go back. Take a jacket, of course. |
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18 Aug 03 - 02:17 PM (#1004151) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: skarpi Halló all , this will 12th of September, and no I don´t think they will sing about whales at this time , only about " Njála Saga " All the best Skarpi Iceland. |
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18 Aug 03 - 02:20 PM (#1004155) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: Rapparee Dang, Skarpi. I'd like to hear that -- I've read it but never heard it. There's no way I can get to Minneapolis, though. |
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18 Aug 03 - 06:41 PM (#1004258) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: skarpi The song of " njála saga " is on CD in Icelandic, German and English. i could find the web side here in Iceland for thouse who are intrestid, but i think it easyer to ask the moll of america about the cd. All the best Skarpi iceland. |
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18 Aug 03 - 06:45 PM (#1004260) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: Clinton Hammond Shouldn't they be doing this at L'Anse aux Meadows? :-) |
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18 Aug 03 - 07:02 PM (#1004268) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: LadyJean I wish I could hear it too! Vikings were cool. Njal, didn't go sailing around in a longship and raiding, you know. He was a lawyer! Vikings had jury trials and lawsuits. Iceland is the world's oldest democracy. Vikings were definately cool. |
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18 Aug 03 - 11:56 PM (#1004406) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: GUEST,leeneia Look, folks. A Viking is a sea pirate from the early middle ages, originally from Scandinavia. No matter how many sports teams call themselves the Vikings, the actual Vikings were a brutal, thieving bunch of men. If you put on a presentation at a mall and showed the horrible things they did, customers would go away upset and disgusted. They preyed upon their neighbors and they preyed upon foreigners, they didn't care. The good people were the Norse people. Give them the credit they deserve. |
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19 Aug 03 - 02:58 AM (#1004463) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: CRANKY YANKEE Just in case anyone is interested: There is a structure in Tuoro Park, Newport Rhode Island, USA, that is identical to hundreds of pagan places of worship throughout scandinavia. Leif Erikson named his colony "Vineland" because there were grapevines growing wild there. The aforementioned tower was there when the first English Settlers arrived, and, we know that the "First Americans" could not have built it. because they didn't have the wherewith or technology. Furthermore, there are only two places in North America where grape vines grow wild. They are Martha's Vineyard, a group of Islands in Massachusetts and the island of "Rhode Island" in the "State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Newport is one of the three municipalities on Rhode Island. The other two are the Villiage of Middletown and the Township of Portsmouth. We have the smallest land area, the longest coastline and the longest name in the country. |
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19 Aug 03 - 11:53 AM (#1004710) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: Nerd But Vineland is here in South Jersey! (Sorry, couldn't resist!) |
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19 Aug 03 - 12:04 PM (#1004717) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: GUEST,MMario Cranky Yankee - wild grapes are, were, and have been much more widespread then just Martha's Vineyard and Rhode Island. The 'Concord' grape (for example) is a sport of wild grapes found near concord Massachuseets and propagated since. Wild grapes also grow (and have grown since before colonial times) throughout most of NY state - The southern US has their own species of grape that doesn't grow in the northern states. |
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19 Aug 03 - 12:24 PM (#1004730) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: GUEST,MMario and whether or not "First Americans" were capable of fitted stonework is under debate as well. Certainly many cultures among the indigines of the continent were perfectly capable of fitted stonework - the local tribes did not utilize it; but to say they were incapable is stretching it a bit. Likewise - there is documented proof of widespread trade among various tribes - and it is not inconcievable that a person or persons from an are where stonework WAS done might have ended up on the NorthEast coast. For that matter - there is some indications that the DUTCH were in the area for some time before the English - likewise most of the coastline of New England was in use for seasonal settlements and or "rest and recreation" stops for close to 120 years prior to English settlement by fishers out of various European nations. |
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19 Aug 03 - 01:01 PM (#1004747) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: skarpi Halló all , Leeneia i could said there are some Icelandic people singing in Moll of America songs from the Saga of Njála. But the Saga of Njála is from Vikingcenture so I used the word. The vikings did horrible things but what has changed til the day we live???? Nothing if something has changed its to the worst. But I wasent gonna start a war -Sorry. All the best Skarpi Iceland. P.s If my spelling is wrong let me know. |
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19 Aug 03 - 01:56 PM (#1004776) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: Clinton Hammond "Vinland" could also (And this is more likely that the 'grapes' answer) mean "Wheat Land"... a place where wild grains grew... (It's a matter of translation in this case...) And well, the question as to who made the structure in Tuoro Park aside.. there's only one authenticated "Viking" site so far in North America... I mentioned it above... ;-) |
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19 Aug 03 - 02:10 PM (#1004784) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Moll of America.... From: Uncle_DaveO Skarpi, that's "Mall", not "Moll". And the city is Minneapolis, Minnesota. Dave Oesterreich |
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19 Aug 03 - 06:56 PM (#1004906) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: skarpi Thanks Dave . All the best Skarpi Iceland. |
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20 Aug 03 - 06:41 PM (#1005521) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: CRANKY YANKEE Referring to all the Norse People as, "Vikings" is like referring to all Sailors as "Pirates". There is nothing romantic or colorful or sweet about Vikings and/or Pirates. I'm a sailor and I'm quite put out when people call me a pirate. Pirates and vikings were (and are) ruthless, sadistic, killers and rapists (both sexes) The woreds Viking and Pirate are both participles. That is they can be used as either a verb or a noun. You catch one, and give them the ultimate sentence, This is called a "Dangling Participle" P.Eye |
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20 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM (#1005529) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: CRANKY YANKEE Referring to all the Norse People as, "Vikings" is like referring to all Sailors as "Pirates". There is nothing romantic or colorful or sweet about Vikings and/or Pirates. I'm a sailor and I'm quite put out when people call me a pirate. Pirates and vikings were (and are) ruthless, sadistic, killers and rapists (both sexes) The woreds Viking and Pirate are both participles. That is they can be used as either a verb or a noun. You catch one, and give them the ultimate sentence, This is called a "Dangling Participle" P.Eye The Sailor Man |
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20 Aug 03 - 07:06 PM (#1005530) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: Clinton Hammond Who was the best pirate in the world? Nobody knows, cause he was never caught... |
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20 Aug 03 - 07:24 PM (#1005537) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: GUEST,Folkmonster 1. There is no reference to 'Vikings' in any early English lterature. They were referred to as Danes or 'heathens'. The reference appeared much later. 2. There is no evidence at all for any Viking brutality except in battle. On the contrary they were respected by their 'anglo saxon' cousins. 3. There is considerable evidence of trading and farming however. In the Jorvik excavations in York, no 'viking' weapons at all were found. 4. The Iclanders founded the worlds earliest parliament (the "Alting") ... not a very bloodthirsty advert is it?> ;O) Interestingly, the parliament of the Isle of Man (a small English dependency in the Irish Sea) is called 'Tynewald' (Tingwald). 5. The Sagas were first written down in the 13th century (correct me if I am wrong Skarpi!) so are themselves unreliable evidence. A bloody good yarn though! FM |
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20 Aug 03 - 07:27 PM (#1005542) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: Clinton Hammond All very good points FM... Even if they aren't very fun! LOL |
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21 Aug 03 - 05:14 PM (#1006095) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: skarpi Halló all , Folkmonster, The Íslendingasagas is about Icelanders from the year 874 to 1050 , but where written the years 1200 to 1350 so you are close about the time.There are about 43 sagas that i know about, so it´s lot to take. All the best Skarpi Iceland . P.s You can get most of the sagas in English. |
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21 Aug 03 - 05:38 PM (#1006108) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: PoppaGator The word "Vikings" is commonly used to describe the Scandinavian invaders of Ireland who founded the settlement, later city, of Dublin. Like most other invaders up until the time of Oliver Cromwell, these raiders were eventually wise enough to adjust to the idea of being Irish, and were soon assimilated (becoming "more Irish than the Irish themselves"*). Back in the 1960s/70s, Icelandic Air was by far the cheapest way to get from the US to Europe, so many young Americans (hippie globetrotters, junior-year-abroad students, Rhodes scholars, etc) got at least a brief glimpse of Iceland during an airport stopover. Pops * This familar saying is translated from the Latin, which shows just how long ago visitors to Ireland started wanting to stay and fit into the local society. I can't remember the exact wording, but of course the Latin word "Hibernia" apears twice, in two different forms. 2d footnote: All due respect to Skarpi, I would have attempted to include the name of the capital city of Iceland, where the airport was/is located, but I can't spell it! Sounds like Rek-ya-vik. |
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21 Aug 03 - 06:21 PM (#1006136) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: Burke I like it. The Mall of America is located on the site where the Minnesota Vikings used to play. This is actually in Bloomington, Minnesota; an area extending south from Minneapolis (also Richfield & Edina) to the Minnesota River. At one time it was farmland, now it's all suburban development. "Downtown Bloomington, where are you?" |
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21 Aug 03 - 06:48 PM (#1006148) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: open mike i like the MOLL better.. like being in the MAW or JAW of america.. like greg brown said.. america will eat you up st brendan and Leif erikson were here first! |
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22 Aug 03 - 06:06 AM (#1006364) Subject: RE: Icelandic Vikings In Mall of America.... From: skarpi Halló all , PappaGator it´s Reyk-ja-vik the capital. And I spelled wrong the Moll I wrote Mall instead of Moll I am Sorry,All the best SKarpi Iceland. |