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14 Oct 03 - 11:08 AM (#1035376) Subject: Carter Family From: Steeleye Hi. I'm new to this site and this is my first post. My name is Rick and I live in Silver Spring, MD. I won't go into too much detail about my background because I'm sure it will dribble out over these pages as we continue to exchange our pearls of wisdom. Suffice it to say that I've been a huge rock and folk/rock fan for lo these many years. I still am, but I recently discovered the strain of folk music known as "old time" and I see it's having a transformational effect on me. That said, here's my first inquiry. Does anyone know anything about original Carter Family recordings? I'd like to locate (and frame and hang on my wall) an original 78 they recorded while they were still together, but it has to have a picture sleeve of some sort. I guess an LP would be OK, but again, it would have to be from before the 1950s. Do such things exist? |
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14 Oct 03 - 11:22 AM (#1035385) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: GUEST,Martin Gibson I don't know about a 78, but there are definately LPs out there. Cheap also. More than a few on ebay right now. Simply do a search on Carter Family. |
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14 Oct 03 - 11:48 AM (#1035397) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: GUEST,Les B. That raises an interesting question. How were records packaged for sale back in 1927 or '28 when the Carters and other old-timey groups first started recording ?? Were they plain brown envelopes, some kind of box, or what? Certainly there must be some collectors out there who will know....? |
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14 Oct 03 - 11:55 AM (#1035404) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: GUEST I believe they came in bown envelopes and the records were stacked in the shops rather than standing upright. |
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14 Oct 03 - 11:59 AM (#1035406) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: John Routledge In the UK they came in thick brown paper sleeves - so I am told. |
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14 Oct 03 - 12:05 PM (#1035408) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Jerry Rasmussen Being old, I can speak from experience about 78's and picture sleeves. They didn't exist, as far as I know. 45 r.p.m.'s had picture sleeves... I have several Beatles 45's with the picture sleeve, but that was a fairly modrun idea. I have many Carter Family lps, though. Just sorted through them recently.. I also picked up a book... Will You Miss Me? on remainder, which is a wonderful biography of the Carter Family, including many photographs. It's well worth the read. Jerry |
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14 Oct 03 - 12:23 PM (#1035418) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Steve Parkes In the UK, most 78s were supplied from the manufacturers in paper or card sleeves, either plain, or with the record company's own design on them; frequently with details of similar recordings on the reverse. Many retailers (small as well as large) had their own sleeves printed, with the address of the shop on the front. Most printed sleeves were quite decorative; and it may be possible to find some with Carter-Family-related stuff -- we shall hear soon, I'm sure! Steve (avid 78-collector) |
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14 Oct 03 - 12:36 PM (#1035424) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Nerd There is a calendar being sold with great blues art from both ads and 78 picture sleeves. Some of this art also appears in books like "Early Downhome Blues." So beautiful pictures did exist on some sleeves, but they weren't the norm. If you have a few bucks to spend, I highly recommend the Bear Family CD Box set of all the Carter family's original sides. It comes with a book filled with photos and other illustrations which you could scan and reproduce for your wall. |
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14 Oct 03 - 12:50 PM (#1035434) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Steeleye Thanks, Nerd. I'll check 'em out. As for the record, I guess I have a shred of "collector" in me, and the picture I'd like to have is a photo or design that came with an original record, as opposed to a reissue or book. So what I'm looking for is something analagous to the Beatles' I Want to Hold Your Hand original record and picture sleeve, but on a 78. As Steve says above, we'll hear soon, hopefully. |
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14 Oct 03 - 12:53 PM (#1035436) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Fortunato An 'album' of 78's was like a picture album, that is a bound, cardboard-covered book with generally plain brown record sleeves inside. I don't know when the first album was made, or whether the Carter family was produced in this form. The first 'album' of this type that we had in my family was from Capital Records, I think, and contained various artists on that label and a few others. By the time I was old enough to play them the records had been mixed with others or broken. The album cover was printed in two or three colors I think, and was most likely from the 1940's. I remember that the OKEH records we had had the logo printed on the brown sleeve. |
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14 Oct 03 - 12:57 PM (#1035438) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Kevin Sheils AIUI some early "albums" (I don't know about the Carter family stuff) were boxed sets of 78rpm recordings so I guess the box would have a "sleeve design" of some description. I seem to recall having some "classical" recordings in such format at home as a kid. |
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14 Oct 03 - 02:38 PM (#1035523) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Mark Clark I think this page from Mainspring Press has examples of the kind of thing Steeleye is looking for. - Mark |
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14 Oct 03 - 02:42 PM (#1035526) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Fortunato Thanks, Mark, that is very like, but not identical to the OKEH sleeve I remember. (Of course my memory could be blurred, eh?) |
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14 Oct 03 - 06:26 PM (#1035681) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: open mike if you have a question here, it is best to do a search first as I am sure we have discussed the Carter Family many times here and there may be info in previous posts. In fact there are about 20 othyer threads which show up in the "header" to this one when you fist open it...many have links to web sites featuring the Carter family. |
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14 Oct 03 - 08:13 PM (#1035777) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Neighmond I have about 10,000 78's, many with the paper sleeve. It has been my experience that the sleeve usually contains the label name (Victor, Columbia, Vocalian, etc.) and often their logo and a list of popular selections and prices. As folks here have told you, it was also a popular point of sale advertisement to have a record jacket with your name and premises on it. Very seldom indeed have I seen a Jacket with the name of the Artist on it. One of the reasons is because there were simply so many singers and performers out there, and in the beginning it was the song and not the artist that was sought after. An example is the song "Carry me back to old Virginia"- every label had it in their (coon, darkie, minstrel) ethenic selection, probably on the flip sode of "Massa' in de cold cold groun'. Another is "Whispering Hope." I have it by Staber and Hershaw (Black Label Victor), Olive Kine and Elsie Baker (Columbia), The Peerless Quartet (Black Label Victor), Jo Stafford and Gordon McCrea (Purple Label Capitol), and countless other arrangements. Another is because the record companies would have to have a Jacket for every record sold. 78's have two songs. That's a hell of a lot of different labels. Add the fact that old 78's break like glass, and you have a combination guranteeed to make a bean counter cringe. A retail establishment would have had somme storage space indeed of they had a jacket for each record they had on the shelf, and the problem would arise at to inventory, switched sleeves, missing sleeves and other nastiness. FWIW, I have the mahogany shelves from the Victor talking machine dealer in town here, and the selections were stored upright (NOT stacked) Alphabetically by name of song and subject in his store (the tags are still on them) much like a public library. The compartments are wide enough for 20 1/8 inch records, and tall enough for 12" Records. there was felt in the back, and small wood cleates between each record to keep them apart. When a record sold, he put it in a sleeve with the Victor(Okeh, Columbia, Decca, Bluebird (Purple label RCA label) Capitol) name and Logo on it, from the shelf under the register. The Cylinder records were stored in drawers, on a dowel covered with cloth, with a cardboard "tube" over them. When the cylinder was sold a lid was put on the tube, and the title and record number written on with ink. There were often phonoographs in the store to sample records on, before you purchased them. Your best bet is to find some sleeves from Victor Talking Machine Company, from the last half of 1927, and 1928, and you may find the Carter Family listed in the list of recent great sellers. They cut "Bury me under the weeping willow" in August of 1927 and stayed in more or less constant circulation since that time. Taken as it's worth, Chaz |
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14 Oct 03 - 10:31 PM (#1035827) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Jerry Rasmussen Wonderful information, Neighmond. I too have 78 sleeves which mention two or three artists, or songs. Basically the sleeves were more of an advertisement for the record label than the individual record. Now, records with a photograph imbedded in them were another thing. Extreme cool in the 40's when they were "neat." Jerry |
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14 Oct 03 - 10:35 PM (#1035828) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: NicoleC You could pair an original LP in a frame with a nice large photo of the Carter family or several small photos. Or perhaps with an advertisement for an upcoming show or similar if you could find such an animal. There's a couple of photo on eBay now, and a repro poster. |
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15 Oct 03 - 11:28 AM (#1036160) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Steeleye Open Mike: Are you certain I didn't already do an archive search before I asked my question? Lo and behold, I did, and didn't find any references to Carter Family picture sleeves. I've been on enough online discussion forums to know there are people who don't care for questions being repeated over and over again (I'm not one of them---I just don't read them). On the other hand, when questions are repeated, invariably new information comes out from other posters, such as we've seen here. To say nothing of the people to whom the question never occurred and nonetheless discovered they were interested in the answer. But thanks for your attention! |
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24 Dec 10 - 11:04 PM (#3060969) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: GUEST,Amanda I have a collection of several original Carter Family 78 records that I collected when I was younger. I don't know what to do with the collection now, I'd like to sell the collection or maybe loan it to a museum that may be interested. I'm mostly worried about maintaining the record collection due to the fact that I'm still in college and I move a lot (they're very fragile and I left them at my parents house for the time being). Does anyone have any suggestions as what to do with them? I have about thirty or so, and the 1930s Smokey Mountain Ballads songbook as well. Please e-mail me at asmith@wisedevelop.org |
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25 Dec 10 - 05:52 AM (#3061060) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: GUEST,Doc John There's a Carter Family museum, Amanda. Sorry I don't have the link but it's easy enough to find. Try it and let us know please. |
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25 Dec 10 - 09:44 AM (#3061106) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Amos Make sure you have recorded the songs from them before you ship them to the museum. AS |
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26 Dec 10 - 02:30 PM (#3061592) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Thomas Stern send me your email address (PM or e-mail off list), and I'll forward a scan of a victor advertising sleeve with drawings of a number of their performers, including the carter family. Compliments of Mike Biel on the 78-list. Best wishes, Thomas. |
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26 Dec 10 - 03:52 PM (#3061622) Subject: RE: Carter Family From: Sandy Mc Lean The Carter Family Museum is in AP's old general store in Maces Springs,Va. Carter Family Fold |