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30 Oct 03 - 12:18 PM (#1044646) Subject: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: GUEST,MMario Bring Us a Barrel Any possibility of getting the tune posted? |
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30 Oct 03 - 12:25 PM (#1044651) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: Marje I'll have a go! |
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30 Oct 03 - 01:54 PM (#1044713) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: Marje It's done now and ready to go, but I am having a problem with my mail server and am currently holding the phone and listening to an inane jingle while I await help from Technical Support. I'll send the tune off as soon as I can. |
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30 Oct 03 - 02:16 PM (#1044721) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: GUEST,MMario no problem Marje! |
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31 Oct 03 - 09:40 AM (#1045250) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: GUEST,MMario THANK YOU! recieved 2 copies! (I guess it pays to beg occasionally! *grin*) X:1 T:Bring Us a Barrel C:Keith Marsden N:transcribed by Hazel Bolton from the Keith Marsden songbook I:abc2nwc M:3/4 L:1/8 K:F C2|F2A2c2|(c B) A2(A G)|F2G2A2|G4C2| F2F2E2|D B3G2|E2F2G2|C6|A2A2c2| (c B) A2(A G)|F2G2A2|G4C2|F3G A2|B4G F| E2F2G2|F4C2|F2F2G2|A2A2G2|F3G A2|G6| F2F2G2|A2A2G2|F2G2A2|G6|A2A2c2| (c B) A2(A G)|F3G (A B)|G4C2|(F3G) (A B)| c2c2(A c)|(B c/2 B A2)G2|F4 |
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31 Oct 03 - 11:24 AM (#1045312) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: Dave Bryant MMario - the opening lines as written by Keith go: No man who's a drinker takes ale from a pin For there is too little good stuff there within rather than the entry in DT which is very weak in comparison. I gather that it was about the first song that Keith wrote and that for many years he let people think that it was traditional. If you want to find more of his wonderful songs, try and get hold of his songbook "Picking Sooty Blackberries" - it was sadly published postumously, but has quite a lot of info on the background to each song. |
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31 Oct 03 - 02:14 PM (#1045422) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: gnomad Picking Sooty Blackberries; Pub 1992: Fellsongs Music Publishing, Workington, Cumbria, CA14 3EW, UK. ISBN 1 871318 01 7 And worth every penny! |
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23 Apr 05 - 02:44 PM (#1468910) Subject: Lyr Add: BRING US A BARREL (Keith Marsden) From: Charley Noble Having recently heard this song performed by Two Black Sheep and a Stallion, I'm happy to refresh this thread. Here are Keith's lyrics, plus an extra verse by a friend, as printed in PICKING SOOTY BLACKBERRIES: From the singing of the late Keith Marsden : © Fellside Recordings 1992 See "Picking Sooty Blackberries" p. 22 - (pub. by Fellside Recordings - ISBN 1 871318 01 7.... ) *with an extra verse from the singing of that nice Mr Shuttleworth (who says he sang it in front of Keith and didn't get hit, so he concludes it was sort of approved). BRING US A BARREL No man that's a drinker takes ale from a pin For there is too little good stuff there within Four and a half is it's measure in full Too small for a sup, not enough for a pull... Then bring us a barrel and set it up right Bring us a barrel, to last out the night Bring us a barrel, no matter how high We'll drink it up Lads, we'll drink it dry. The poor little firkin's nine gallons in all Though the beer it is good, the size is too small For lads that are drinkers like you and like I That firkin small barrel too quickly runs dry. And when that I'm dying and on me death bed By me bedside leave a fine full hogshead That if down below I mun go when I die Me and old Nick we will both drink it dry. *The Kilderkin's Next and although rather small At least it is better than nothing at all Its eighteen full gallons will just about do Provided, of course, there's another for you. Then bring forth the Puncheon and roll out the butt Them's the best measures before me to put Our pots will go round and good ale it will flow And we'll be contented for an hour or so. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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23 Apr 05 - 02:50 PM (#1468914) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: breezy could that be the Kilderkin verse I heard from Geoff at Stortfolk? He came in with it on one of my gigs. Sugs, Dr Dr All the best Dave Bryant, see u in St Albans one day? Strollin Johnny tomorrow at the legion, there I go again, old habits die hard,sorry and its non-smoking www.folk4all.net |
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23 Apr 05 - 03:22 PM (#1468936) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: GUEST,padgett (at home) Never heard the Kilderkin verse, but clearly in keeping! Keep singing Of course odd words are changed here and there but the spirit loves on! Ray padgett |
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23 Apr 05 - 06:33 PM (#1469009) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: Les in Chorlton New Heritage, Leeds 1971, how good could life be? |
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13 May 05 - 04:50 AM (#1483920) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a barrel From: BB Dave, my understanding is that Keith's first song, which doesn't appear in 'Picking Sooty Blackberries', was 'The Bristol Mail'. I often wondered why he wrote it, as it's a bit of a way from Yorkshire! Wish I'd asked him when I had the chance... Barbara |
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22 Aug 10 - 10:32 AM (#2970460) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Richard Bridge Is that tune available in a more accessible notation than ABC? |
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22 Aug 10 - 10:36 AM (#2970462) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Richard Bridge ah-hah |
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23 Oct 13 - 11:08 PM (#3569453) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mysha Hi, The value for the puncheon, as given with the Digital Tradition is not right for this song. The relative sizes are: 1 Tun = 2 Butt = 3 Puncheon = 4 Oxhead = 6 Barrel 1 Barrel = 2 Kilderkin = 4 Fourthkin = 8 Pin As can be seen from the lyrics, in this case the Fourthkin is equalled to 9 gallon, so the full unit, the barrel, would be 36. That makes the Tun 216 gallons, and a Puncheon being a third of that, it is 72 gallon. Mind, these values I had understood to be beer measures, rather than ale measures, so it may well be that for ale a puncheon ought to be the value given in the DT, but for the song we have to stick with these values. I expect fitting ale measures in the metre of the song would prove quite a bit more difficult. Bye Mysha |
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23 Oct 13 - 11:17 PM (#3569456) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mysha By the way, wasn't there a bit about there never being enough ale unless it were raining ale? Bye Mysha |
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24 Oct 13 - 04:26 AM (#3569502) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: breezy so Firkin = Fourthkin and the Kilderkin comes after so the Kild verse should be 3rd Hogshead = Oxhead Got it thanks mysha |
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27 Oct 13 - 08:41 AM (#3570465) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mysha Hi, Oops, I see I automatically changed the spelling to match the etymology. Yes, it's building up from 1/8th=Pin, 1/4=Firkin, so if you have the Kilderkin verse it's the next one 1/2=Kilderkin. And next of course you reach the whole barrel that the refrain is talking about. I guess for a short version, one could just to the three fractions and the refrain. You're welcome. (For extra credit, the pupil may sing Barley Mow from Nipperkin up to Tun.) Mysha |
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27 Oct 13 - 09:57 AM (#3570475) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Richard Bridge Can we get that tune in dots, or midi, or better still sung by a good singer - I want to do it with RC4 and finding a nice clear recording is hard? |
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27 Oct 13 - 04:28 PM (#3570566) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mysha Hi, Richard, there's abc code somewhere near the top of this thread, and there's a converter to tadpoles on fences at Mandolin tab net, which will also export your converted score to midi or pdf afterwards. Youtube has, currently, a video of Ged doing a fair rendition of the song at Swindown Folk club. You have to find your own style in it, though. Me, I find I like the song best when at least the verse has a rolling quality to it; imagine rolling a barrel and singing; it's not going to speed up in speech or stop at the end of a sentence. Push-roll-roll, push-roll-roll, etc. Hard to do on an instrument, so I'd prefer just vocals for this one. But your kilometres may vary. I hope that's of use, Bye Mysha |
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27 Oct 13 - 07:17 PM (#3570598) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Richard Bridge Thank you Mysha - I wonder why I did not find that on previous attempts. |
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27 Oct 13 - 07:32 PM (#3570602) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Jeri The song is in Picking Sooty Blackberries: Songs of Keith Marsden, if you can find a copy. |
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28 Oct 13 - 09:45 AM (#3570747) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Georgiansilver How it should be sung! |
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20 Nov 13 - 06:58 AM (#3577290) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mr Happy Anyone have explanations of the 1st verse? What kind of drinking vessel is a 'pin'? 4 & a half is its measure in full - measure of what? Not enough for a pull? |
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20 Nov 13 - 09:40 AM (#3577353) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mr Happy Doesn't anyone know? I'll be singing it tonight, in case someone asks |
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20 Nov 13 - 09:40 AM (#3577354) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mr Happy Doesn't anyone know? I'll be singing it tonight, in case someone asks |
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20 Nov 13 - 09:46 AM (#3577359) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mr Happy Just found this Pin A pin is equal to half a firkin (4.5 imp gal or 20 l). Plastic versions of these casks are known as "polypins" and are popular in homebrewing. The word "polypin" has subsequently become commonly used in Britain for bag-in-box containers of any size. |
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18 Jul 14 - 06:53 AM (#3643082) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: sleepyjon Mr Happy, I notice no-one ever explained a "pull"; - I guess you'll probably have gathered by now that it's a good healthy slurp or mouthfull - an enthusiastic beer drinker once insisted to me "I like to drink a pint in three or four pulls" - just before he fell over, as I recall. That brings me to my own question about the words of the last line of the first verse - I'd always understood them to be "Too much for a sip, not enough for a pull" - which is how it's sung in Georgiansilver's link posted above - and the kind of nice literary construct that I'd expect from a lyricist of Keith Marsden's quality (I'm sure there's a word for it, but it escapes me.) However, it is indeed printed as "Too small . . . " in Picking Sooty Blackberries. Does anyone recall hearing Keith sing it by himself? - what version did he use? SJ |
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18 Jul 14 - 10:51 AM (#3643125) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: MoorleyMan Now I've always sung "too small for a sup, not enough for a pull". That's what Keith sings on the original LP recording (on "Prospect, Providence"), and as later printed in the PSB book. I'd always regarded that as the authoritative and definitive version... Hope that helps settle it. Cheers! MM |
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26 Oct 14 - 02:23 PM (#3672272) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Mysha Hi, > By the way, wasn't there a bit about there never being enough ale > unless it were raining ale? Searching the net has found me this one, in various places: When drinking good ale it is best by the Tun But never enough can be had in just one So pray all you drinkers who often run dry GOD willing our ale it will fall from the sky Bye |
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29 Sep 21 - 07:59 AM (#4121287) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: GUEST,Sian Anyone know for sure who wrote the extra verse? The Kilderkin's Next and although rather small At least it is better than nothing at all Its eighteen full gallons will just about do Provided, of course, there's another for you. |
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30 Sep 21 - 03:43 AM (#4121403) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: r.padgett A "pull" no doubt will be a long sup The Sheffield singers sing only three verses, no doubt due to their source singers, probably Witches of Elswick How many verses you sing is up to you "The poor firkin barrel" was likely the original, mention of ebay PSB price as made t'other day Ray |
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30 Sep 21 - 07:38 PM (#4121478) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: MoorleyMan I had it on good authority when I enquired once, that the Kilderkin verse given above was written by Ron Shuttleworth. |
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30 Sep 21 - 09:21 PM (#4121488) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Gurney I had this nearly 50 years ago from The Tankards at Falmouth. I asked them to sing it, and they made me get up and and do the chorus with them. Happy days. |
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01 Oct 21 - 02:34 AM (#4121502) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: r.padgett I wouldn't argue with that statement Moorley Man Ray Keith wrote the songs in early 60s and gave it to Derek and Dorothy Elliott who sang with great harmony Keith was said initially to introduce it as Traditional Arguments it seem broke out as to its origins ~ great stuff A down to earth lad was "our Keith" Ray |
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01 Oct 21 - 05:32 PM (#4121598) Subject: RE: Tune ADD: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: GUEST,Sian Hi MoorleyMan Thanks for that! I love this group. My singing group (Rattlebag) have added that verse to our rendition and we wanted to know who to credit it to! |
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14 Oct 22 - 07:17 AM (#4154987) Subject: RE: Tune ADD: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: Sian H Hi Does anyone know if Ron Shuttleworth is around? (As Rattlebag sing his verse too) |
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16 Oct 22 - 03:30 AM (#4155218) Subject: RE: Tune ADD: Bring Us a Barrel (Keith Marsden) From: r.padgett Ron would be quite elderly now if he has not passed on! His son is Jack Shuttleworth who plays harp among other things Ron and his missus sang at many UK folk festival sing arounds in the past and checking his biography he started life in the Peak District in Derbyshire the part easily accessible via Sheffield ~ he has his own web information regarding social dance and traditional dance and he was a prolific writer of songs and verses and a performer ~ a cheeky chappy ~ he also played concertina! Oh he went to live in the Midlands and was well known there Ray |