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28 Dec 03 - 12:19 PM (#1080965) Subject: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: pavane I posted the following in the Penguin Book thread, but think it may need to be more visible: It strikes me that a great accompaniment would be a set of CDs with each song (the version as printed) recorded by a Mudcatter? Possibly with the full set of tunes as abcs as well? I am sure that Mrs Pavane would be prepared to contribute a track or two, as she has sung them in the past. It would probably need to be about a 5 CD set or series. What do you think? If so, I would like to stake a claim on one, possibly All things are quite silent. |
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28 Dec 03 - 01:29 PM (#1080986) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: treewind Mary H has several songs out of the book, that she performs regularly... we've recorded Manchester Angel and I'd be happy to contribute that to the collection. I'm sure there are others - watch this space. Anahata |
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28 Dec 03 - 01:57 PM (#1081009) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: open mike sounds like a worthy project and by the sounds of it, lots of mudcats famiar with the material... |
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28 Dec 03 - 03:17 PM (#1081055) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Ed. Pavane, It's a nice idea, but I'm wondering if you realise the amount of work that making a (good) 5 CD set would entail? If you want to make it a 'mudcat' collection, I doubt that you'd sell more than 100 copies. Sorry to be negative, but ask Amos... |
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28 Dec 03 - 06:35 PM (#1081154) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Snuffy If you get it off the ground, I'd be up for one of the sea songs - Bold Benjamin, Rounding the Horn, or Royal Oak, probably |
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29 Dec 03 - 04:09 AM (#1081380) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: GUEST,pavane Ed, Yes I am aware, and also noted that I didn't have the experience to organise it myself. I did envisage mainly mudcatters as performers, but not necessarily exclusively. Maybe one or two guests? As high-profile as possible would help. If we could get it sold alongside the book, then there should be a reasonable volume of sales? |
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29 Dec 03 - 04:23 AM (#1081388) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: curmudgeon I have a good digital master of my renditions of "John Barleycorn" and "The Devil and the Farmer's Wife," both very close to the Penguin setting, ie., learned from Lloyd's recordings -- Tom |
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29 Dec 03 - 06:21 AM (#1081406) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: GUEST,pavane Also, in the thread on the book, Jeanie has volunteered for Long Lankin |
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29 Dec 03 - 08:57 AM (#1081458) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Amos Great idea and if it were done right it could even have commercial potential. But a LOT of work if you are not all set up for that kind of thing. Doing it on a limited scale (5 CDs only lets you represent about 100 songs) is withint he reach of one person with the right equipment, and endless scope of patience and perseverance and a thick hide. The Mudcat Sampler CDs were relatively very successful, in that they made a significant chunk of dough for the 'Cat's maintenance. A |
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29 Dec 03 - 09:06 AM (#1081463) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Mary Humphreys There are in total only 70 songs in the book, so it is well within the scope of 5 CDs. Mary Humphreys |
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29 Dec 03 - 09:08 AM (#1081465) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Leadfingers Though I do mostly Contemporary materiel I have been known to indulge in the tradition and would be only too happy to participate, if I had any idea that it would not detract too much from the final result. |
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29 Dec 03 - 01:07 PM (#1081615) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: GUEST,pavane Some of the songs DO seem to have a lot of verses. Any idea if we could find a volunteer to organise a pilot project? We could maybe start with one CD and see how it progressed. |
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31 Dec 03 - 05:30 AM (#1083007) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: GUEST Who has the rights to these songs? |
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07 Jan 04 - 09:46 AM (#1087919) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Pete_Standing If it's the Penguin Book of English Folk Song, then I believe all the songs are trad, so everbody/nobody has the right to them. Just record them! I have in my collection a CD of some of these songs. Among the artists on it are Jez Lowe and Linda Adams. I'll check it out later. If only Penguin would reissue the book. |
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07 Jan 04 - 10:02 AM (#1087933) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: GUEST Penguin Folk Songs re-issued |
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08 Jan 04 - 04:55 AM (#1088530) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Pete_Standing Thanks for that info Guest, a really exciting piece of news. The CD I mentioned is "A Selection From The Penguin Book of English Folk Songs" - Fellside FECD47 The Golden Vanity - Jez Lowe Young and Single Sailor - Linda Adams The Whale Catchers - Martin Carthy The False Bride - John Bowden (not Jon Boden!) Ratcliffe Highway - Roy Harris The Green Bed - Martin Carthy When I Was Young - Jez Lowe The Streams of Lovely Nancy - Linda Adams One Night as I Lay on My Bed - Roy Harris Basket of Eggs - Linda Adams Banks of Green Willow - Martin Carthy The Grey Cock - Jez Lowe The Gaol Song - Roy Harris All Things Are Quite Silent - Linda Adams Banks of Newfoundland - John Bowden Recorded and produced by Paul Adams 1985, 1993/4. The CD has a slightly "authentic" touch about it or is "charming" and might not be to everyone's liking, but it has grown on me. Other recordings PENGUIN BOOK OF ENGLISH FOLK SONGS |
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08 Jan 04 - 06:41 AM (#1088576) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Pete_Standing Hi Guest Pavane For the purpose of this discussion, I'll call a long song a ballad, though I understand that a ballad is not necessarily a song, neither does it have to be long (yes, and maybe it should be a narrative in the third person.....). Yeah, that's a feature of British ballads that is hard to swallow in these days of the 3 minute wonder. For the ballad to be attractive to the modern ear requires some creativity. At the risk of starting all out war again, I heard a version of Lord Bateman by Jim Moray on the Mike Harding show which goes some way towards this. I once heard Alistair Hulett at Oxford Folk Club performing Tam Lin, cracking stuff, and one member of the audience who was about to leave to catch a bus decided to catch the one after next! A quick think of people who I reckon have done long ballads/songs well - Sandy Denny, June Tabor, Martins Carthy and Simpson, Maddy Prior, Julie Murphy, Eliza Carthy, Patti Reid, Roy Bailey, Dave Burland, Jez Lowe and Anne Briggs - but there are undoubtedly lots more (recommendations?). If the songs are performed unaccompanied, it is surprising how quickly these songs pass and in the care of a skillful singer, the story-telling is more focussed. Alas, most of us don't have the skill, sessions are becoming unlikely to host songs let alone ballads and I guess there will be mixed opinions about the few who try it at a folk club! Ballads were important to the traditionalists and I reckon we would be the poorer as revivalists if we neglect the long song. |
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08 Jan 04 - 08:15 AM (#1088609) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: GUEST,pavane I think the only concern I had was how many CD's would be required. Yes, I do appreciate long ballads (even if few of the recorded ones are complete), and have been known to keep myself awake on long drives by singing Musgrave, usually followed by Lord Bateman (Nic Jones' versions). Having no instrumental breaks does save time, of course. And Tam Lin (Sandy Denny/Fairport) is one of my all-time greats. |
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08 Jan 04 - 09:22 AM (#1088645) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: treewind Anyone feeling adventurous enough to put then all on a DVD? That would be about the right size. Or MP3s on a single CD would fit easily and be easy to do. The market for that's restricted to those who've got computers, of course, but as many takers will be mudcatters it's self-selected! Anahata |
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09 Jan 04 - 02:35 AM (#1089233) Subject: RE: Mudcat Companion to the Penguin book? From: Pete_Standing Hi Guest Pavane I reckon that Fairport album was a classic and had quite a lot of long(ish) songs on it. If I was only allowed 10 albums in my collection, I'm pretty sure I'd hang on to that one. |