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29 Jan 04 - 01:41 AM (#1104029) Subject: BS: Pronounciation From: Ethereal Purple How do you pronounce names like Sinead O'Connor... Shinade? Oh.. and Cher... how d'you pronounce Cher? |
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29 Jan 04 - 01:50 AM (#1104030) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST shair-cher shinaid-sinead |
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29 Jan 04 - 04:11 AM (#1104067) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Mr Happy sinny add chur=? |
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29 Jan 04 - 04:15 AM (#1104070) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Murray MacLeod How do you spell words like "pronunciation" ? |
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29 Jan 04 - 04:48 AM (#1104078) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Ethereal Purple Oops... I didn't realise *blushes*. Thanks, guest. |
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29 Jan 04 - 05:38 AM (#1104108) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Steve Parkes "Cher", name of the scantily-clad skinny female singer and former distaff half of Sonny & Cher, is short for "Cheryl" -- if that helps! And in some places "Sinead" (I forget where the fada goes) is pronounced "skinhead". |
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29 Jan 04 - 06:21 AM (#1104141) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson Chair? isn't that her that has had more surgery than any 400 other people. eric |
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29 Jan 04 - 09:41 AM (#1104272) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Snuffy If you want to upset a Sinead, pronounce it Janet |
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29 Jan 04 - 09:47 AM (#1104279) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Ethereal Purple How about Tabor... as in, June Tabor...? I'm awful at pronouncing these names! |
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29 Jan 04 - 10:07 AM (#1104294) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,ClaireBear Tay (A as in cake) Bur (not quite a neutral "schwa" vowel sound; more like the "or/our" in color/colour" Accent is on the first syllable. And I just want you to know that I'm deriving endless amusement from picturing Cher, Sinead O'Connor and June Tabor in the same room. Do you suppose they have any songs in common? Claire |
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29 Jan 04 - 10:12 AM (#1104301) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Ethereal Purple Thanks, Claire. LOL... I did pick 'em well, didn't I? There are probably LOTS of other names that I mispronounce... figured this is the best place to ask :-). |
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29 Jan 04 - 10:43 AM (#1104320) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Kim C Shinola? |
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29 Jan 04 - 11:41 AM (#1104367) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: TheBigPinkLad Those in the UK and BBC Canada/BBC America watchers may be familiar with Inspector Dalziel. It's pronounced 'dee-ELL' |
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29 Jan 04 - 12:27 PM (#1104406) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: jimmyt the UK has some rather quirky pronounciations, ie Belvoir+ Beaver. and Beuleau+Booley. I remember when driving in ENgland the first time, and mispronouncing Gloucester (Glowster) and Worcester (Wooster) I thought I was cleaver when stopping for petrol and asking the attendent how far it was to Crinster? FIneally he said," Oh, you must mean Cirencester!" (Actually pronounced as it is spelled for a change. |
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29 Jan 04 - 01:52 PM (#1104473) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Tracey Dragonsfriend I grew up in Costessey, which is pronounced Cossy, in Norfolk, UK. I went to school in Wymondham, pronounced Windam. Not far away is Happisburgh, pronounced Hayesboro. Wonderful stuff, English! |
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29 Jan 04 - 04:40 PM (#1104586) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Jim Dixon Broader question: Is there a good place to look up the pronunciation of personal names and place names? |
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29 Jan 04 - 09:46 PM (#1104819) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Gurney Born and raised in Warwickshire. (Worriksheer) And not all of the 'shires are pronounced 'sheer'. Kiwi singer Bic Runga, (Beck) |
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30 Jan 04 - 02:48 AM (#1104912) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Kaleea Having heard many folks in the "mid-west"ern USA pronounce words, I have learned that most folks around the world are evidently cornfuzed 'bout jist how yewz s'poztuh say werdz inn eenglish. Fer eggzampull, it ain't "feenger," it'z "fayngurr." An' it ain't "sand-wich," it'z "sammich!" An' eevin arr prezuhdint noz how tew say "newkyewlurr!" |
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30 Jan 04 - 03:15 AM (#1104921) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Shanghaiceltic Do you pronounce electrocute with one yell or two? Seriously in the US Navy they pronounce a liuetentant as liuetenant but in the Royal Navy we always pronounced liuetenant as 'lefttennant'even though the spelling was the same when written out. Leeward (i.e down wind) was luward Gunwhale was gun'l Coxswain was Cox'n Woe betide those who could not get their pronunciation correct. |
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30 Jan 04 - 03:47 AM (#1104936) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Murray MacLeod shanghaiceltic, the spelling is indeed the same in both Forces, but in neither one is it spelled "liuetenant" . |
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30 Jan 04 - 03:51 AM (#1104942) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Shanghaiceltic Sorry I added an extra e should be liutenenant. 'Start that man Mr Christian!' |
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30 Jan 04 - 03:55 AM (#1104945) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Murray MacLeod Shanghai, you are winding me up, aren't you ?!! Should have spotted that first time .... However, just in case you aren't fishing, it is spelled LIEUTENANT |
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30 Jan 04 - 03:56 AM (#1104947) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Hull is pronounced Ull. |
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30 Jan 04 - 04:15 AM (#1104957) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Murray MacLeod Here is a name that has been a bone of contention among racing people for years, maybe a local Mudcatter can help out. Is the town of Southwell pronounced Suth'll or South-Well ? |
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30 Jan 04 - 04:48 AM (#1104975) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Shanghaiceltic Sorry Murray 'keel haul that man instead' |
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30 Jan 04 - 05:13 AM (#1104985) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull That all weather race track is Suthell. |
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30 Jan 04 - 07:26 AM (#1105069) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson What a feckin stupid name this is, Cholmondley- pronounced Chumley. or St John- pronounced sinjun. eric |
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30 Jan 04 - 08:41 AM (#1105108) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Geoff the Duck How about Sean Bean. Is it - seen been / shawn bawn or shann bann? Quack! Geoff the Duck (pronounced Duck) |
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30 Jan 04 - 08:46 AM (#1105112) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,JTT Sean Bean is shawn bean, but he's not Irish. What about Greenwich (grennitch) Mean Time, and the town of Greenwich (green witch) in Scotland! |
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30 Jan 04 - 08:52 AM (#1105115) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Fiolar The problem with may English place names is that they do not have English roots. A great number are derived from Viking, Roman, Saxon and Celtic languages. Check the "Oxford Book of Placenames" for many of the meanings. |
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30 Jan 04 - 10:19 AM (#1105198) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST Not far from where I'm sitting is a hamlet called Gotham. Even locals can't tell me whether it's Got-ham, Goat-ham, Goth- am or Goath- am, or even something else (Goofum?) |
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30 Jan 04 - 11:00 AM (#1105216) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: muppett How about Slaithwaite, near Huddersfield pronouced Slouwit or Ben Rhyding near Ilkley pronouced Ben Ridding, or Bradford is pronouced as Brafud by locals. |
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30 Jan 04 - 11:11 AM (#1105221) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: catspaw49 Shithead |
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30 Jan 04 - 06:33 PM (#1105521) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Jim McLean Guest JTT, I think you meant Greenock in Scotland. I come from the West of Scotland and we always said Greenock although I have heard it pronounced Grinock, or Grenock, but rarely. |
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30 Jan 04 - 06:37 PM (#1105523) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: dianavan For the longest time I pronounced lough - loo. That certainly raised some eyebrows! Whats worse are the words we learn in childhood and carry into adulthood. My brothers and I used to make great fun of it and still do. Time to start a new thread. |
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30 Jan 04 - 06:37 PM (#1105524) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Chief Chaos Down here in the swamps of Louisiana (Loo-Z-Anna) the names come from the French, Spanish, and Native Americans. On my first tour of the area, a local told me that we were enterine DelCambre (pronounced Del-Cum). He said not to worry, it was miss-spelled on the water tower. By the way, it's not New Orleans its Nawluns! |
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30 Jan 04 - 06:52 PM (#1105532) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Burke Sometimes it's Nawluns, other times it is New Orlens, or New Or-lee-ans. It is never, New Or-leeens. (born there) What was really hard war all the people with the last name pronounced Abair. I can't even remember the spelling, Hebert, I think. |
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31 Jan 04 - 12:10 AM (#1105649) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Chief Chaos The real fun is trying to understand whether the folka around here are saying Bayou Penchant or Bayou Pigeon. They come out about the same in Cajun. |
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31 Jan 04 - 03:57 AM (#1105710) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,Boab HOW about-- Kirkoobrie---[Kirkudbright] Boness---[Borrowstoness] Anster---[Anstruther] Mulguy--[Milngavie] |
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31 Jan 04 - 05:41 AM (#1105741) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Gurney I thought it was lootenant in the Andrew and leftenant in the Cake, but I stand to be corrected. |
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31 Jan 04 - 06:55 AM (#1105768) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson Back to folklore, celidh- kaly. eric |
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31 Jan 04 - 07:12 PM (#1106217) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Peace GHOTI=fish The gh as in enough. The o as in women. The ti as in action. Gotta love language. |
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01 Feb 04 - 08:22 AM (#1106481) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,SirTK OK, so what are the rules in the USA for "Louis"? Examples Joe Louis, (who I know as "Lewis", but most people in UK want to say "Loo-ey") Louis Armstrong (hello Dolly, this is Lewis, Dolly), St Louis, Missouri. "It's the ghost, of the Saint Lewis Blues" according to Leon Redbone, but Billie Holliday sings "Saint Loo-ey Woman") and then there is Louisville, Kentucky. Can somebody please 'splain. cheers, Terry |
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01 Feb 04 - 02:47 PM (#1106649) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Murray MacLeod If I recollect aright, the good citizens of Louisville KY seemed to pronounce the name of their city "LOO-ville" |
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01 Feb 04 - 03:19 PM (#1106671) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Jerry Rasmussen And when you're in New Yawk city, don't pronounce Houston street the same way you say Houston, Texas. It's Howsten street. I've always wondered if there are any Hewsten Astro fans living on Howsten street. Jerry |
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01 Feb 04 - 04:58 PM (#1106733) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r Gotham in the midlands was always go-tum when I lived near there. Bradford is Bratford if you come from Yorkshire (my wife tells me) Basford is bays-ford in Nottingham. Hucknall was traditionally uckner. "H" is aitch not haitch. |
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01 Feb 04 - 05:24 PM (#1106746) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Peace And then there's the following. TOUGH THROUGH BOUGH THOUGH OUGH makes four sounds, and if you don't mind adding a T, it will make five. THOUGHT |
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01 Feb 04 - 06:06 PM (#1106781) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,ozmacca Hey Boab, ah cum fae Bo'ness, an' we niver ca'd it Borrowstouness unless we wis pittin oan the swank. Mind, we ca'd it a' soarts o ither things..... The abbreviation is actually official. It appears in the press,on road signs and maps, and on other things (like artillery targets with any luck) as Bo'ness. And talking of pronunciation, why is there so much cONtroversy over hopw to say contrOversy? Oh yes, and why is "abbreviation" such a long word? |
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01 Feb 04 - 06:20 PM (#1106795) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: McGrath of Harlow You missed out "Hiccough" there, brucie, pronounced "Hiccup" And also one we've had already, "Lough". |
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01 Feb 04 - 06:54 PM (#1106826) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Peace Good one, McG of H. I'll add them to the list I show my students. |
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02 Feb 04 - 05:30 AM (#1107094) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson Barnoldswick, Lancashire? pronounced Barlick by the locals, very strange. A beauty from Edinburgh Corstorphine pronounced, Kerstoffan. eric |
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02 Feb 04 - 06:19 AM (#1107110) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Fiolar All the postings remind me of the story about the overseas student who was learning English at one of the colleges in GB. On his way home one evening he saw a headline on one of the newstands. It stated in bold letters - "Pope Pronounced Worse." Confused or what? |
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02 Feb 04 - 06:52 AM (#1107124) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson There is a Jeremy Taylor song about De Gaulle coming to England, he got told to piss off that many times he took it for the traditional English greeting. eric |
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02 Feb 04 - 07:01 AM (#1107128) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: AKS "Pope Pronounced Worse." Now that wouldn't surprise me at all, knowing some basics on the 'rules' of English spelling ... You guys ever heard of 'one-sound-one-letter' -principle in spelling?? AKS ;-) |
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02 Feb 04 - 10:16 AM (#1107279) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: muppett Nay s&r it's not Bratford it's Brafud |
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02 Feb 04 - 12:04 PM (#1107373) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Big Mick Cairo, Ohio pronounced by the locals as Kairoe, Uh-High-ya |
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02 Feb 04 - 12:33 PM (#1107392) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Rapparee Big Mick, did you go and move Cairo, Illinois? (Kayroe, Il-i-noi) Illinois is home state for Aye-thens and San Josey, too. And Kwinsee. |
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02 Feb 04 - 01:26 PM (#1107425) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: McGrath of Harlow Unless you can get all English speaking people to speak it the same way (whihc couldn't be done even within one small island), there's no point in pretending you can have a one-sound-one letter system. Unless of course everyone starts spelling the words differently, to fit with the way they speak, and that would get even more confusing. |
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02 Feb 04 - 06:07 PM (#1107658) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,ozmacca Always liked the story about Bernard Shaw's suggestion that the word "fish" could be spelt (spelled?) GHOTI... GH as in "tough" or "cough" O as in "women" TI as in "nation" |
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02 Feb 04 - 07:40 PM (#1107734) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r well muppet, I'm not alone in my (my wife's) pronunciation - there are many on google, including one intriguingly from CCL (a computer firm) but also this strange post (one of several) from Lord Huntroyde (who he?) on this Boris Johnson fan page stand back in horror |
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02 Feb 04 - 07:49 PM (#1107736) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Murray MacLeod I just remembered that the town of Elgin, Illinois is pronounced EL-Jin, whereas the original town of Elgin in Morayshire is of course pronounced Elgin (wwith a hard "G") |
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02 Feb 04 - 09:13 PM (#1107777) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: McGrath of Harlow And of course Iraq is correctly pronounced with a long "a", to rhyme with park. |
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03 Feb 04 - 08:58 AM (#1108101) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Daithi Muppet/s&r I think your apparent disagreement might stem from the difficulkty of writing the glottal stop. My ex-wife and her Family are Yorkshire and in the west riding at least it is usually pronounced bra'fud - where the ' is a glottal stop.A bit like brat but wiothout the t. |
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03 Feb 04 - 09:57 AM (#1108152) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: muppett Daithi - Excuse my ignornance about the use of the 'glottal stop, but that might solve the mystery of S&R Plus others pronouncing Brafud as Bratford, However I've just done a poll with a group of Fagley, Thornbury & Bradford Moor residents (areas of North Brafud)who are all born & bred in the area (and the youngest being 60)from a community group I work with and they all agree there's no T in Brafud. |
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03 Feb 04 - 10:38 AM (#1108189) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST Mousehole in Cornwall=mouzle..go figure. |
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03 Feb 04 - 03:02 PM (#1108443) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST Calais in the Us is callous. Odd eh ? |
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03 Feb 04 - 06:25 PM (#1108579) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Burke And of course Iraq is correctly pronounced with a long "a", to rhyme with park. Funny, I thought a long "a" would rhyme with rake. The real question is what you do with the "I" eye-rak ear-ak Data, status, I've heard with both long & short "a" Interesting: 3 or 4 syllables? Melville Dewey, in addition to devising a classification system for libraries, was an advocate of orthographic reform. The Dewey Schedules published during his lifetime made use of the revised spelling. They are odd to read. |
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03 Feb 04 - 07:36 PM (#1108640) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,Peter from Essex Marylebone is always a good one to get Londoners going. |
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04 Feb 04 - 05:30 AM (#1108908) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson There was a bloody awful country and western son a few years ago which had the line, ' it's centrifugal motion ' pronounced- centrifagal. I still cringe. eric |
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04 Feb 04 - 06:45 AM (#1108946) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Daithi Muppett - yes, ..but do they pronounce it Braff-ud? Surely they say bra'-fud?(i.e.with a glottal stop between the "a" and the "f") |
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04 Feb 04 - 08:41 AM (#1109033) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: McGrath of Harlow I think the way Iraq would be pronounced in Iraq would be with the first syllable more or less rhyming with tee, but shorter. I suspect that Iraqis would be likely to assume that the "eye-rack" version was intended as a deliberate insult. (I note that NPR has a pronunciation guide on this and similar, which correctly gives Iraq as pronounced "ih-RAHK".) |
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04 Feb 04 - 03:52 PM (#1109413) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r Daithi (don't know how to get the accent) Dáithí - yes I do with cut and paste - I think you may be right with the glottal stop: my wife is from Yorkshire and puts a glottal stop in the middle of thirty, forty etc (thir/?/ty, for/?/ty etc.). Strangely she doesn't hear it any differently whether or not it has a glottal stop. It is she who insists it's Bratford: I'm from Notts, and have only academic interest. Since your earlier post I ended up with a goole-trawl on glottal stop. Fascinating... Stu |
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04 Feb 04 - 04:57 PM (#1109445) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: open mike Utah Phillips always pronounced the word foothills as if the "th" was a dipthong (it that a piece of clothing?!) as if footh rhymed with truth. There is a town in Nebraska called Norfolk which is pronounced Nor Fork. |
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04 Feb 04 - 06:19 PM (#1109510) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r I think it was Dave Walters who (resenting Wesham being pronounced with a sh sound, when it should be wess ham) that insisted on calling Bispham Biss fam instead of Bisp ham That's really boring : > |
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04 Feb 04 - 06:29 PM (#1109522) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: jimmyt And Bill Bryson, the author of Notes From a Small Island ,of his impressions as an American travelling to England, said he went to visit Newquay if for no other reason than he wanted to be in a place that is pronounced "Nookie" (.................well, hell, now that I think about it, who wouldn't?) |
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04 Feb 04 - 09:05 PM (#1109641) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: PoppaGator Back to New Orleans (where I've lived for 35 years -- not all my life, but more than half): I *never* heard anyone pronounce it "N'awlins" before that erroneous phonetic spelling became popular about 15 years ago. Here's how I believe that error developed: Back in the early 1970's, the headline over an article by local writer John Newlin in the (now-defunct) Vieux Carre Courier used the spelling "No Awlins," which *is* a pretty good phonetic representation of the way most working-class locals say the city's name. It's three syllables (maybe two-an-a-half), NOT the two syllables convey by the neo-spelling "N'awlins." I believe that some less linguistically sophisticated advertising copywriters bastardized "No Awlins" (which made sense, in the light of actual usage) and started the wide dissemination of "N'Awlins" (which never did represent anyone's actual speech pattern). Now, we have "local" TV personalities reading "Naw-lins" off cue cards and further popularizsing this mispronunciation. Other ways to approximate an authentic phonetic spelling of the same or similar pronunciation might include "N'walins" "Noo-awlins," etc. The more genteel uptown community says it more like this: "Noo-wally-uns" (making "leans" into two syl;lables rather than one). To confuse matters furhter: With or without contractions and other allowances for dialect, the accent should always be on the first syllable of "OR-leans" when used with the word "New," as the name of the city. However, when used *without* "New," as in Orleans Parish and Orleans Avenue, etc., the accent is properly on the second syllable ("Or-LEENZ"). Of course, there are many many songs incorrectly pronouncing the city name as "New Or-LEENZ," just because it scans and rhymes more easily. We have many more pronunciation-related flukes around the city: Burgundy Street is bur-GUN-dee, not BUR-gundy. Chartres Street is "charters," not the proper French "shart[re]" The nine streets named for the Greek muses all have quirky voicings: Calliope is "cally-ope" not ca-lye-o-pee; Melpomene is "MEL-puh-MEEN" (or even "mel-ka-meen") not mel-POM-any. Then there's Burthe Street uptown, pronounced "Byooth." Across the river in Algiers, Socrates St. is pronounced "so-crates" -- really! |
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04 Feb 04 - 09:16 PM (#1109646) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST Holyhead to Dun Laoighaire is always a corker. |
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05 Feb 04 - 04:55 AM (#1109790) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: muppett Wow, S&R, you're right, I've done the same, looked up about The gottal stop, fascinating. Cheers Daithi |
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05 Feb 04 - 08:29 AM (#1109877) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Daithi Tha's wha' i's all abou' , inni'? Aren' compu'ers grea'? :^) |
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05 Feb 04 - 01:23 PM (#1110098) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: McGrath of Harlow "Snorbens" for "St Albans" is one I have always quite liked. |
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06 Feb 04 - 05:26 AM (#1110599) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,noddy as Spike Milligan said "He walked with a pronounced limp, pronounced limp." |
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06 Feb 04 - 05:30 AM (#1110601) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,noddy of course there is always the doctor pronounced him dead. |
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06 Feb 04 - 05:46 AM (#1110606) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: muppett Appletric is what Dales folk call the Wharfedale village of Appletreewick |
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06 Feb 04 - 07:39 AM (#1110639) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson We always called it Appletrewick, when fishing there. eric |
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06 Feb 04 - 10:00 AM (#1110739) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: muppett AR But eric are you local?, it's what local people call their local village. Talking of which, here's a slight variation of the theme, I've heard the locals of Robin Hoods bay refer to the village as Bay town and the neighbouring village of Filingthorpe as Thorpe. Any other examples of this? |
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06 Feb 04 - 02:17 PM (#1110874) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Bill D There is a thread on the latest CD by a group called "The Boarding Party" ('local' to my area ).A local lady, originally from a small town in coastal Mass. happily refers to "The Bawding Potty"..and I have a hard time keeping my face straight. |
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11 Feb 04 - 08:39 PM (#1114513) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r Why do people pronounce cervical and dissect with long 'i's? |
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12 Feb 04 - 07:56 AM (#1114774) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Dave Hanson jOhn from ull- pronounced TWAT. eric |
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12 Feb 04 - 11:31 AM (#1114913) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Bobjack Appletreewick! Is John Pitchers still running the pub up there? Anyone know how he is? I heard he was run over by a car a bit back. |
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12 Feb 04 - 02:56 PM (#1115057) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Chief Chaos It could be worse. My (more or less) hometown of Norfolk, VA which should be Nor-folk somehow has become Nor-fuk or as some outsider call it No-fuk add to that the state being bastardized to vagina instead of Vir-gin-ya. |
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13 Feb 04 - 12:08 PM (#1115274) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,Paul Burke >>"Snorbens" for "St Albans" is one I have always quite liked. Don't forget Fort Neaf in sarf London, otherwise Thornton Heath. And no less an authority than the BBC changed the pronunciation of Daintry to Daventry. Then there's always Loughborough. |
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13 Feb 04 - 01:24 PM (#1115327) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Snuffy I've heard an American pronounce it Loogburoo |
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13 Feb 04 - 02:42 PM (#1115374) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: HuwG ... and of an Australian who pronounced it, "Loogabarooga". Near to me, Tintwhistle (on the A628), locally pronounced "Tinsel". A friend who asked directions to my house and was told to cross "Tinsel Bridge", nearly went mad looking for the bridge covered in Christmas decorations. |
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13 Feb 04 - 05:38 PM (#1115436) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST I'm still feeling oddly compelled (though not necessarily in a pleasurable way...) by the idea of the Cher, Sinead O'Connor and June Tabor performance...and possible follow-up CD! D. |
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13 Feb 04 - 10:55 PM (#1115632) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: woodsie What about the stupid names: Marjoribanks - Marshbanks Featherstonehaugh - Fanshaw Oh and why do people pronounce Bert Jansch "yansh"? In an interview in the London Evening Standard a couple of years ago he said that his name was pronounced "Jansh"! |
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06 May 04 - 02:30 PM (#1179556) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: woodsie What acout Bastard (as in the french jockey)pronounced B'sturd ha ha! |
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06 May 04 - 02:35 PM (#1179563) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: woodsie Wines are a good one too! Vermouth should be pronounced "Var moot" Moet Chandon "MOW ETT" not "Mow ay" Riesling "Reesling" I think a few Scotch whiskys have strange guttaral sounds as well. Glenfidikhrgggggrh!!! |
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06 May 04 - 04:56 PM (#1179701) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,Shlio After many arguments over games of Monopoly, Marylebone station is always called "the M-station". Does anyone know if it should be Mary-le-bone or Marlybone? The worst place name by far is "Llanfairpwyllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" The people who work in the station there learn how to say it. Apparently the proninciation is "Llan-vire-pooll-guin-gill-go-ger-u-queern-drob-ooll-llandus-iliogogo-goch". Not helpful when you aren't welsh. |
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06 May 04 - 05:44 PM (#1179753) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Strollin' Johnny I'm always amused by the pronunciation Americans give to Notre Dame - 'Noter Dayme'. Insular lot or what? The residents of Southwell I'm informed call it Southwell, not Suthell. And there's a village in Notts called New Houghton, which the locals call 'Uff'n' (the 'New' being totally ignored! :0) |
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06 May 04 - 07:30 PM (#1179832) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,Peter from Essex There was a long debate on the M-station on uk.transport.london the only conclusion seemed to be NEVER Mary-lee-bone Marly-bone and Mary-l'bun seem acceptable alternatives. |
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06 May 04 - 11:00 PM (#1179964) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: ranger1 As an American who can pronounce Notre Dame correctly (some of us do live in French speaking areas, thank you very much), I challenge you to: Damariscotta Chocorua Piscataquis |
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07 May 04 - 06:15 AM (#1180135) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Strollin' Johnny Then, Dear Ranger1, you need to teach your TV sports commentators and news readers to do the same! :0) Johnny :0) |
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07 May 04 - 12:16 PM (#1180411) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: woodsie Van Gough "van gow" "van goff" "van gok" Ha! |
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07 May 04 - 01:10 PM (#1180481) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: HuwG Best comment on the pronunciation of "Norfolk": In the mid-1930's, Mae West heard that the Duke of Norfolk was staying in the same hotel as she was. She sent him up a present of a bottle of scotch and box of cigars, with a note to say that the Duke was welcome to pay her a visit some time. She received in reply a note which said, "Madam, I neither drink nor smoke. Norfolk." |
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07 May 04 - 03:21 PM (#1180571) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Bill D on TV the last few days, I have been hearing hosts of Big Brass who STILL have not learned to pronounce "Iraq" correctly....don't they even care? (They are 'almost' as bad as some Brit journalists on CNN, who seem to be constitutionally incapable of saying foreign names anywhere near the way the natives would.) |
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07 May 04 - 05:26 PM (#1180635) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r Place names are often pronounced differently by non-natives. What English speaker says 'Paree'(Paris) except jocularly? What's correct for Iraq? What happened to Peking? How many people say Nescafeh and Nestlehs? Why do newspapers persist in printing 'up' as said in the North of England as 'oop'? Vive les differences Stu |
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07 May 04 - 06:17 PM (#1180665) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Bill D Simón Bolivar as "Sy-mon Bolliver"? Nick-uh-RAG-you-uh for Nicaragua? we can at least try.... |
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07 May 04 - 06:32 PM (#1180674) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: GUEST,woodsie Thatamerican warmonger bloke "COE-lin Powell" |
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07 May 04 - 06:51 PM (#1180691) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Bill D ah...Mr Powell!...well..*shrug*...he seems to have chosen, so I pronounce it like he does. I don't even think about the 'other' use...but it seems to drive the Brits barmy to hear it said that way...*grin* |
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07 May 04 - 06:56 PM (#1180694) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r years ago, didn't the BBC have a manual of BBC preferred pronunciations of places and names; that would at least give consistency of reporting. NEWcastle is a northern city in UK unless you live there; then it's NewCASTLE. |
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08 May 04 - 07:44 AM (#1181001) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Strollin' Johnny S&R, people in the North of England don't say 'oop' (test it - say 'loop', then say 'loop' without the 'l', that's not how we pronounce 'up'). We say 'up'. People in the South of England say 'ap'. Johnny :0) |
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08 May 04 - 01:03 PM (#1181171) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: s&r Just my point Johnny - we both know that the U in up is short; we both know how it sounds. Regularly in newspapers it is spelled oop. I wish they wouldn't. Other pet hates: quarter pronounced corter (like cestionnaire) Belorus - pronounced without the soft Russian e (b-yel-o-roos). We are northern; our daughter in Oxford called our grandson Grant...(Gr-are-nt) stu |
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08 May 04 - 01:54 PM (#1181206) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Tracey Dragonsfriend Try this one - I'm native English, and it gives me trouble! ENGLISH IS TOUGH STUFF ====================== Dearest creature in creation, Study English pronunciation. I will teach you in my verse Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse. I will keep you, Suzy, busy, Make your head with heat grow dizzy. Tear in eye, your dress will tear. So shall I! Oh hear my prayer. Just compare heart, beard, and heard, Dies and diet, lord and word, Sword and sward, retain and Britain. (Mind the latter, how it's written.) Now I surely will not plague you With such words as plaque and ague. But be careful how you speak: Say break and steak, but bleak and streak; Cloven, oven, how and low, Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe. Hear me say, devoid of trickery, Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore, Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles, Exiles, similes, and reviles; Scholar, vicar, and cigar, Solar, mica, war and far; One, anemone, Balmoral, Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel; Gertrude, German, wind and mind, Scene, Melpomene, mankind. Billet does not rhyme with ballet, Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet. Blood and flood are not like food, Nor is mould like should and would. Viscous, viscount, load and broad, Toward, to forward, to reward. And your pronunciation's OK When you correctly say croquet, Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve, Friend and fiend, alive and live. Ivy, privy, famous; clamour And enamour rhyme with hammer. River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb, Doll and roll and some and home. Stranger does not rhyme with anger, Neither does devour with clangour. Souls but foul, haunt but aunt, Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant, Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger, And then singer, ginger, linger, Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge, Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age. Query does not rhyme with very, Nor does fury sound like bury. Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth. Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath. Though the differences seem little, We say actual but victual. Refer does not rhyme with deafer. Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer. Mint, pint, senate and sedate; Dull, bull, and George ate late. Scenic, Arabic, Pacific, Science, conscience, scientific. Liberty, library, heave and heaven, Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven. We say hallowed, but allowed, People, leopard, towed, but vowed. Mark the differences, moreover, Between mover, cover, clover; Leeches, breeches, wise, precise, Chalice, but police and lice; Camel, constable, unstable, Principle, disciple, label. Petal, panel, and canal, Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal. Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair, Senator, spectator, mayor. Tour, but our and succour, four. Gas, alas, and Arkansas. Sea, idea, Korea, area, Psalm, Maria, but malaria. Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean. Doctrine, turpentine, marine. Compare alien with Italian, Dandelion and battalion. Sally with ally, yea, ye, Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key. Say aver, but ever, fever, Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver. Heron, granary, canary. Crevice and device and aerie. Face, but preface, not efface. Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass. Large, but target, gin, give, verging, Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging. Ear, but earn and wear and tear Do not rhyme with here but ere. Seven is right, but so is even, Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen, Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk, Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work. Pronunciation -- think of Psyche! Is a paling stout and spikey? Won't it make you lose your wits, Writing groats and saying grits? It's a dark abyss or tunnel: Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale, Islington and Isle of Wight, Housewife, verdict and indict. Finally, which rhymes with enough -- Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough? Hiccough has the sound of cup. My advice is to give up! -- Author Unknown |
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08 May 04 - 06:29 PM (#1181380) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Bill D oh, mercy, Tracy...that is one of the best I have seen. I also like the short one.. "The wind was rough And cold and blough. She kept her hands Inside her mough." |
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08 May 04 - 11:04 PM (#1181531) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: beardedbruce And for those of us native to Warshington, the strange pronuciation of the city to our north- Ballmur... |
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09 May 04 - 01:57 PM (#1181704) Subject: RE: BS: Pronounciation From: Strollin' Johnny Stu - a thousand apologies old lad! I'm a SOB who's losing the ability to read postings properly! (LOL) Johnny :0) |