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07 Feb 04 - 09:33 AM (#1111346) Subject: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy At the Royal British legion , Verulam Road, St Albans Starts at 8.00 p.m. sharp Doors open 7.45 Adm £3 floor spots of 10 -15 minute duration available and can be booked in advance The refs on at 9.oo at 10.00o.m. its 'Spotlight'on that entertaining duo: 'Short Back and Asides' very friendly and encouraging venue. Cheap beer too!! |
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07 Feb 04 - 06:40 PM (#1111576) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man If I come early will you let me go or not? |
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08 Feb 04 - 03:31 AM (#1111741) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Of course, its your choice, but Tom and Nigel, will be very entertaing and as an entrprnr you should be --as you are-- watching as many new perfomers as you can. I am very familiar with J + A's repertoire Why not come -go for their 1st spot then be back for 10 for T + N ? You can decide where the 'fun' is at tonight. See you early then 8.00 or 8.12 ? for 2 |
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08 Feb 04 - 04:27 AM (#1111754) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Okay See you at 8.12pm Cheers, but you must promise on yor reputation of being an amusing entertaining Folk Singer that you will let me go, with no fuss, or I will infect you deliberately, and I must beable to advertize The Bull in Barton le Clay Sing a Round for Monday night, because I think The Singing Ref has expressed an interest in it. |
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08 Feb 04 - 04:52 AM (#1111762) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Hamish "yor reputation of being an amusing entertaining Folk Singer" puts me in miind of Etic Morecambe saying "You have my word as a gentleman" |
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08 Feb 04 - 05:50 AM (#1111774) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Yes, very worrying,but we will see. |
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08 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM (#1111871) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy £3 first to Vanessa on the door George will open the show, then martin, 2 [12 mins] or 3 15 minutes max ,I'll bring the clock, then maybe me unless someone beats me to it, then a 1st half poem from Michael, then Steve. Then the interval 2 from George possibly and me if required then and then 2nd half poem from Michael then The 'Spotty' guests Ta Whta going on at the Duke of M on Fri 29th feb |
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08 Feb 04 - 01:53 PM (#1111974) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man I don't know but the 29th Feb this year is a Sunday.I know this because 28th Feb is the Saturday of the first Charity Mic Nights at Thr Bull in Barton Le Clay, Beds. Tam-Lin are playing their final gig ever, and Hilary might be coming and it's the night before her Spotlight at StAlbans,and there might just be enough time to fit in another floor spot if you behave. It sounds like a date of a Dent Event that got cancelled without me knowing until I got there last year. If that is any help. |
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08 Feb 04 - 02:18 PM (#1111990) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy I dont know either Lets try 20th feb then the 5th March Whats going to be happening at the Duke Of M? Why? Because the 'Wandering Windward' St Albans Folk-song club will be moving in. But tonight its the legion with your host - El G |
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08 Feb 04 - 06:40 PM (#1112104) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Oh Goody. I like that nice young man. |
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08 Feb 04 - 06:58 PM (#1112124) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Next week CHRIS FLEGG a fusion of Jazz, Folk, Blues, and original material A class act, remeniscent of Diz Dizley, but even better cos he's sober. former resident of the Troubadour Folk Club , in The Old Brompton Road, frequented by Dylan ,Simon and a host of others during the 70s |
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09 Feb 04 - 08:16 AM (#1112433) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Ross Am I still on for 8.45pm this Sunday Can you fit me in |
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09 Feb 04 - 08:21 AM (#1112438) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy yes, provisionally . Chris Flegg will M C and 'Spot' it, Josie on the door and raffle. be early or got the dosh done Dent is up to 2 Credits like you and the next programm is being finalised as I type. Trouserless with bananas up yer nose, is this partr of the act? |
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09 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM (#1112547) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Ross That's an idea Maybe I could contrive a novelty act that dispenses of twanging and singing altogether |
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09 Feb 04 - 12:29 PM (#1112626) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man And the really sad thing is Breezy will not be there. |
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09 Feb 04 - 12:58 PM (#1112645) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager Have I got this right guys? Are you, in a round about way, suggesting that Breezy dispenses with the singing and twanging and stands around trouserless with bananas up his nose? Great Concept! Sounds like a dead cert for the Turner Prize, though not quite the thing you would expect to encounter down "The Legion". Although on the other hand, we did have a drag act at one stage last night. SM |
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10 Feb 04 - 06:03 AM (#1113138) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant Well you could always drag Breezy around while you're about it :-) |
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10 Feb 04 - 06:29 AM (#1113152) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Talking of drags. Anyone been to Chesham lately? Get over here bryant and let see what you can do. not who. |
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10 Feb 04 - 07:47 AM (#1113195) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant Breezy - which nights do your St Albans and district folk mafia events all run on ? I keep meaning to get over that way again sometime, but it's a bit of a rush on a week night. I first of all have to get back home (Mottingham) from Kingston and then drive via Blackwall and the M11. There's also the fact that Linda has a 14 year old son, and we therefore only tend to go any long distance when he's staying with his dad. It'll be quite a dash to get to "The Lion" at Eastwick tonight - and that's quite a lot nearer (it's not too far for you either). |
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10 Feb 04 - 08:11 AM (#1113212) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy You mean to say that you dont know that Fridays: The St Albans folk-song club this Week: Lynne Heraud and Pat Turner at St Stephens Churh Hall come and rumble with the bellringers!!!!! N/w Les Sullivan at The Duke of Marlborough 19th March George Papavgeris CD launch then amazing mr Smith and so it goes on till FRI 2nd April with Tommy Sands closes and reopens in May till July with BIG NAMES Sundays:: , the Sunday 'Spotlight' folk club at the Royal British Legion on Verulam Rd 8.00p.m.sharp gigs available - deal 50% of the door.adm £3 its one 30-40 set. Floor spots 12 mins @. All genres . applications now being considered ,but I must know you and what you do, and in your case I do and I will. now booking April -July |
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10 Feb 04 - 08:20 AM (#1113225) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Also very near, on Mondays Sing A Round at The Bull in Barton Le Clay Between Luton and Bedford on the A6. Plus 30-40 min extened spots. |
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10 Feb 04 - 09:50 AM (#1113300) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant A Sunday night would be fine John - so please consider me for one of the 'Spotlight' sessions. I'll try and get to one of your Friday nights - at least I don't have work in the morning - which is the normal venue, St Stephens Churh Hall or The Duke of Marlborough ? Martin - although I was born in Bedford (because of wartime evacuation) Barton's a bit far for me to drive on a Monday night after work - but I hope it goes well. |
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10 Feb 04 - 10:43 AM (#1113342) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST Chesham? Since you ask... ...good responsive and appreciative turn out for the very excellent Kathryn Roberts and Sean Lakeman last night. Some fine spots, too. And modesty forbids me from complimenting the MC. Here's an extract from an unsolicited e-mail from a mate: "Another good night last night, thanks." |
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10 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM (#1113344) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST, Hamish, no cookie Oops! That was me as GUEST, above! (Vested interest declared) |
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10 Feb 04 - 11:15 AM (#1113383) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Obviously the unsolicited doesnt get out much Dave, this fri St Stphns n/w Duke w/aft King Harry The Duke thereafter give me a Sunday spotlight date now in May |
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10 Feb 04 - 12:28 PM (#1113429) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant Linda and I are going to the Euro-gathering (1-3 May) so I'll be away for the first Sunday - but got nothing planned in May otherwise. |
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10 Feb 04 - 01:15 PM (#1113472) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Sunday 9th may then. Be there by 7.30 to arrange the chairs. take care j.b no fiddlers green unless i play it for you!!! John foreman turned up to hear Dave Sealey last night at Herga |
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10 Feb 04 - 04:27 PM (#1113555) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Okay Dave not worry see you at Breezys some time anyway. Cheers |
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11 Feb 04 - 04:35 AM (#1113809) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant OK - it's in my diary. Can I sing something else by John Conolly instead ? |
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11 Feb 04 - 05:35 AM (#1113840) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy your getting the idea. yes but not too long, We will look forward to hearing different songs from your vast repertoire, we may even move to downstairs for your set as I know you have the capacity to carry it. |
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22 Feb 04 - 01:01 PM (#1121129) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy tonight |
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22 Feb 04 - 01:47 PM (#1121163) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Oh Goodie. And The Bull in Barton. Tomorrow. |
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22 Feb 04 - 01:51 PM (#1121166) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man Turn up Ross, it's the only time I get to see you. |
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22 Feb 04 - 05:21 PM (#1121318) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Ross I hope you don't mean tonight as I've let you down See you at the Bull, Monday night Next weekend, I might go to Letchworth Friday & then there's the Bull do on Saturday and spotlight on Sunday - should be good weekend I'll have to learn how to sing and play the guitar in a week |
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22 Feb 04 - 06:08 PM (#1121356) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: My guru always said Are you doing a Spotlight on the 29th Ross? If so I'll see you there.... |
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22 Feb 04 - 07:03 PM (#1121411) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Excellent performances tonight from Mike Sparks, Martin D, a 'New boy' from Hemel, named Jim with 3 great original songs, bluesy/urban voice and first rate guitar work of clarity and distinction, and then the incredible Chris Flegg on his new D28 with a 4 number set including 2 originals. Do we get some talent in here on a Sunday or not? And we had laffs!!!! Next Week its its Guru's Spotlight night. And the beer is 1.90 a pint |
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23 Feb 04 - 03:29 AM (#1121584) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Ross Hi hills Look forward to seeing you next week - I might even practice 'meat & two veg' |
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23 Feb 04 - 05:41 AM (#1121629) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: George Papavgeris Oi - let's keep it clean please... |
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23 Feb 04 - 10:47 AM (#1121814) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager The Gurus spotlight, Ross with his meat and two veg, Beer 1.90 a pint, Chris Flegg, Now Jim from Hemel, all this & Laffs too? So no point in turning up wherever on Fridays then? SM |
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23 Feb 04 - 02:48 PM (#1121974) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy the King Harry for Hamish and the lovely Lorna on Fridays S M apologies for last nigh's non-attendance please? j |
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23 Feb 04 - 03:48 PM (#1122014) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager errrr....umm...aaah....eek... Sorry Breezy. On Sunday I was still carrying the unique memory of your performance from Friday and I didn't feel I could let go of it quite so quickly..... Is that OK?? SM |
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23 Feb 04 - 07:31 PM (#1122183) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy It must be the Road to Dundee with sound effects that left an indellible[sp]! mark. The King Harry is festooned with posters for Hamish and the lovely Lorna for Friday btw it was quiz night tonight anyone free next monday? Be there Friday or else!!! Did you know you can be fined for non appearance these days? Call it advance booking |
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24 Feb 04 - 03:33 AM (#1122390) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST, the Lovely Hamish, no cookie I can't help thinking the soubriquets are muxed ip. The Lovely Hamish and Lorna works for me ;^) Looking forward immensely to this rare privilege. Any requests for songs to include (or exclude!) will be considered before I ignore them and do whatever I've been preparing for the last few weeks. |
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24 Feb 04 - 04:12 AM (#1122412) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: George Papavgeris PREPARING? Do you mean as in "pr***ice"? |
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24 Feb 04 - 05:21 AM (#1122443) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST, me again. Still no cookie Yes. Sorry for swearing. (See the thing is, Ernie, I don't write five new songs every day, so I've got to fill in the time somehow) |
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24 Feb 04 - 07:32 AM (#1122491) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Ernie, I like that. We are the players who sing the songs that others write. Thats our part, without Peter Paul n Mary then Bob Dylan would have struggled. So learn a few Papavgeris songs and put your mark on them. So Bob has a hellova lot to thank P P M for, but Papavgeris can sing so its not so vital in his case. See ya Friday then sunday Oh lets p*****ce on Sat 6th March at the legion in St A with P A for B B later |
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24 Feb 04 - 02:36 PM (#1122762) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: My guru always said Seems I'm doing the Spotlight this week - anyone coming along??? |
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24 Feb 04 - 02:54 PM (#1122782) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Zorg Sorrrry My Guru Can't make it this week |
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24 Feb 04 - 03:13 PM (#1122794) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Ross is , I am, Ernie will M C, how many more do you want? Is Richard coming? dont answer that. Michael is reliable for a couple of poems. Josie. |
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24 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM (#1122835) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: My guru always said Err, does this mean that the rumour the El Greko will be MC'ing is actually correct??? Fab.... Breezy, please ensure warm weather on Saturday for possible shopping spree. Do I dare ask about Ross' 'meat & 2 veg'???? |
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24 Feb 04 - 04:47 PM (#1122871) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Unicorn Man I am coming. See you there, or at The Bull on Sat. |
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24 Feb 04 - 05:26 PM (#1122908) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: My guru always said Possibly both MfB.... Let's keep fingers crossed for good weather! |
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24 Feb 04 - 10:43 PM (#1123116) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Moses Save me a seat for Sunday. Should make it all being well. Won't miss Guru if I can help it. Back from Whitsundays (Q'Land) yesterday and (I can't believe it) it's bl***y raining in Sydney!! and cold (well... coldish). Hope all goes well Friday for the Lovely Hamish (no, sorry Hamish, the visualisation doesn't work), lovely Lorna and H. Good luck. Breezy, what's going on next Monday that you are organising? Don't forget that as well as it being St David's day it's Herga's 41st Birthday. You are not thinking of b***ering off somewhere else are you? |
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25 Feb 04 - 05:00 AM (#1123268) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Ross Guru - think you call it 'meet on the ledge' Hey - JB & George - what's this boasting about playing a gig at a nudist camp - I have reliable information that you bottled the gig I'm especially miffed as I played a gig at Speilplatz last Summer and was sat at the top of the stairs facing all comers I've never seen so many varieties of the human anatomy Trouble is, I was boiling and didn't know whether it was polite to take me shirt off |
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25 Feb 04 - 06:39 AM (#1123318) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager Hell's Teeth. I'm beginning to see this 'Sunday at the 'Legion' mularkey in a whole new 'orrible light. So Breezy wasn't joking when he suggested he might start playing with his trousers round his ankles.. Sounds like there could be more meat and veg on display down there Sunday than in the Market on Saturday. Bring a Casserole Guru! SM |
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25 Feb 04 - 06:54 AM (#1123329) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant Sounds like there could be more meat and veg on display down there Sunday than in the Market on Saturday. Not if it's Breezy - you should only need a very small casserole Guru ! |
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25 Feb 04 - 11:06 AM (#1123495) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy Moses will be there, well maybe. |
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25 Feb 04 - 11:50 AM (#1123527) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager Dave, Your revelation has come as a complete surprise. I had no idea. From your detailed knowledge I take that you've been a party to these goings on for quite some time? So where does this "fully ventilated" style of singing originate? To be honest, I thought "open tuning" referred to something quite different. However, I have heard that in Opera Houses they sometimes fit their older tenors with jubilee clips in order to keep the b***ers tune. What do ageing folk singers use? bailer twine? Maybe we'll find out on Sunday. SM I presume El Greco is aware of all this? It certainly makes you wonder about those jaunts down to Devon. |
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25 Feb 04 - 12:17 PM (#1123549) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant Sorry to disappoint you Stage Manager, but all my info on Breezy comes from the when time I used to go out with a lot of his cast-off ladies - who appeared to find my own equipment somewhat of an improvement. Mind you, I have been to "naturist" clubs many times - in fact Linda and I have been known to frequent such establishments quite recently. I have performed (musically I mean !) quite a few times in a natural state. A certain kentish morris side used to dance at one club annually - each year they "simplified" their kit until it consisted of bellpads baldricks and one extra bell hung from a certain part of the male anatomy. Dances with any low stickwork were not favoured on these outings. I wasn't expecting to perform in such a state at The Spotlight on the 9th of May, though (that's if it's still going to be on after these comments about John) - mind you perhaps I could prevail upon Essex Girl to perform "Joan the Leather Queen" in the costume which she wore at Stony Stratford . . . . . . |
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25 Feb 04 - 02:14 PM (#1123634) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Stage Manager Dave, At least the weather will be warmer in May. So Bare Naked Morris with bells on their willies eh? I'm surprised Breezy hasn't booked them for one of his "Singing to Trees" sessions. If you tell them its traditional they seem to go for anything round here. SM |
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25 Feb 04 - 02:29 PM (#1123646) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: My guru always said Haven't you lot been watching the weather forcast???? Non-stick casserole then..... |
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25 Feb 04 - 03:44 PM (#1123718) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy I'm saying nowt, at least mine didnt go wild in Woolwich!!!! BTW Dave have you finished paying? |
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25 Feb 04 - 04:27 PM (#1123761) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: The Stage Manager Wild in Woolwich???!!! There seem to be stones appearing in this thread that may better be left unturned. Until Friday. SM |
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26 Feb 04 - 05:01 AM (#1124160) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant Tune: The In the crypt of Saint Mary's there once was folk singing, And young girls were seduced by Breezy's sweet tones. But after he'd had them, in my direction he chucked them, And I'd then have to put up with these young ladies' moans. |
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26 Feb 04 - 05:30 AM (#1124172) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy for years and years, cos he didnt pay. Well we got to pull the punters in for Dave's Sunday at the Legion when you can see for yourself. Apparently he doesn't get to perform much these days. Do you still sing 'Second hand Rose'? The 'Charlton Chopper' , only its more the 'Woolwich Winkle' This could run and run, just like the man. |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:21 AM (#1124195) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager Given the depths to which this thread has finally and inexorably sunk, I'd be grateful for some guidance as to how I'm meant to interpret: "Well we got to pull the punters in for Dave's Sunday at the Legion when you can see for yourself. Apparently he doesn't get to perform much these days." SM |
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26 Feb 04 - 06:39 AM (#1124202) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST, the lovely Hamish, ain't got no cookies I don't know - you just can't get the staff these days. Don't tell me I'll have to start my own thread for me and Lorna at the King Harry tomorrow? How demeaning that would be. And we're having full dress rehearsal at Stortfolk tonight - that's how seriously we take a Jonno gig. |
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26 Feb 04 - 08:14 AM (#1124252) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager You're in good company No Cookie, Harvey Andrews had to create his own thread too. Take it as a complement. The Word has got round that you're at the King Harry tomorrow and the queues are already beginning to form. Pr***cing? Isn't that taking things a bit far? If word gets out people might begin to think you aren't up to it. SM |
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26 Feb 04 - 08:21 AM (#1124260) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,, not really - it's me again Well it's true I'm not up to it. I'm not up to anything. I've got my hands on the desk where anyone can see. Honest. |
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26 Feb 04 - 08:25 AM (#1124266) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Dave Bryant "Apparently he doesn't get to perform much these days" I don't know if Breezy was referring to musical or other types of performance - but I'm sure that Essex Girl will vouch that he is incorrect in both cases. |
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26 Feb 04 - 08:40 AM (#1124279) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: Essex Girl Essex Girl can't imagine what you're talking about!!! Dave might not venture as far as St albans very often but is performing well in Kent, South east London and parts of Essex. |
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26 Feb 04 - 08:49 AM (#1124286) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy That new boy on Sunday was in fact Jim Faupel, look up his web site |
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26 Feb 04 - 04:40 PM (#1124670) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: My guru always said Can vouch that Dave is performing well in Kent & you can reserve a seat for me at his Spotlight in May, well worth hearing! Ummm, shall I be demeaned & start a thread on my Spotlight this Sunday??? I haven't started one for ages....... |
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27 Feb 04 - 05:06 AM (#1125018) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The Stage Manager Guru, I recommend the DIY option. If you have to wait for you-know-who there's no telling what you might end up with, or discover you're letting yourself in for. Frankly, some of the recent imaginings from that direction give rise to considerable concern. BTW bring a tenderiser as well as the casserole, some of the steak round here is well past its sell by date. SM |
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27 Feb 04 - 07:02 AM (#1125044) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: breezy you steak for your self S M us hornivours are in our prime. You should have seen our mellowtonal Jazz guitarist operating last night. |
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27 Feb 04 - 07:22 AM (#1125052) Subject: RE: Sunday 'Spotlight' St Albans From: GUEST,The SM Did I mention any names? SM |