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19 Feb 04 - 05:26 PM (#1119485) Subject: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: tar_heel From: nc_tarheel America's Christian Samuel Thompson wrote: I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to suesomebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I don't necessarily agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory of evolution. Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a God they believe in andasking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game. "But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles. And we are in the Bible Belt. According to our very own phone book, Christia churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect - somebody chanting Hare Krishna? If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer. If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer. If I went to a ping pong match in China, I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha. And I wouldn't be offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome... "But what about the atheists?" is another argument. What about them? Nobody is asking them to be baptizedWe're not going to pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit theconcession stand. Call your lawyer. Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. Idon't think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations. Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us just to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying. God, help us. And if that last sentence offends you, well..........just sue me! The silent majority has been silent too long. It's time we let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard, that the vast majority don't care what they want. It is time the majority rules! It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray; you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance; you don't have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right. But by golly, you are no longer going to take our rights away! We are fighting back, and we WILL WIN! After all, the God you have the right to denounce is on our side! God bless us one and all, especially those who denounce Him. God bless America, despite all her faults, still the greatest nation of all. God bless our service men who are fighting to protect our right to pray and worship God. May 2004 be the year the silent majority is heard and we put God back as the foundation of our families and institutions. Keep looking up...... In God WE Trust |
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19 Feb 04 - 05:41 PM (#1119510) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Little Hawk Yeah...I get your point loud and clear. Here are two types of common oppression: 1. A powerful majority forces smaller minorities to do it their way or else...(one historical example: whites enslaving and oppressing blacks) 2. A vocal minority with clever lawyers forces the vast majority to do it their way or else...(one recent historical example: a few people with a huge chip on their shoulder banning everyone else from praying or doing something else like that in public) In either case, you have one group of people taking away another's freedom to be who they are...and that is a basic denial of human rights. Live and let live is the credo upon which a just society rests. If you don't like the Lord's Prayer, for example, so what? The World is full of things I don't like, too, but I don't run around launching legal actions against people over them, and trying to force everyone to be like me. I instead focus on what I DO like, and I do it, while leaving others free to do what THEY like, as long as it isn't something totally unacceptable (like violence, theft, and the other obvious stuff that is already illegal everywhere). - LH |
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19 Feb 04 - 05:54 PM (#1119522) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Bobert Hey, being a person of Faith (Christain, in my case) I have no problems with a moment of silence prior to an event. What bugs me is to be caught supposedly in prayer led by someone who wouldn't know Jesus if He were to walk right up to them... Yeah, I heard a lot of crappy prayers in my life led by all kinds of nutballs with axes to grind. When leading a prayer becomes bullying, something is very wrong... That's the problem... I'm stickin with the Moment of Silence where people are *invited* to pray or just enjoy some quiet time... Bobert |
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19 Feb 04 - 06:10 PM (#1119529) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: artbrooks And since when are Christians the silent majority? |
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19 Feb 04 - 06:20 PM (#1119541) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Dr Will C U Now Altogether now, chant..... "What do we want?" "Humility!" "When do we want it?" "Oh, I don't know. Anytime will do, really" |
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19 Feb 04 - 06:21 PM (#1119543) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Cluin If they spoke up, they wouldn't be silent anymore. Sorry, but that's the way it works. |
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19 Feb 04 - 06:41 PM (#1119553) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Walking Eagle A trolling we will go, a trolling we will go! Heigh ho the merry-o a trolling we will go! |
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19 Feb 04 - 06:42 PM (#1119554) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Little Hawk Yeah, it's a real conundrum isn't it? :-) I think it was Richard Nixon who popularized the expression "great silent majority", invoking all those supposedly rock-solid, salt-of-the-earth, just plain folks everywhere who absolutely loved and agreed with everything Tricky Dicky said and did....but were too damn lazy and lobotomized by their TV's to actually get up and say anything about it in public!!! LOL! What a constituency! By 1974 there weren't enough of them left to keep Nixon in office, it seems. - LH |
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19 Feb 04 - 06:48 PM (#1119559) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Cluin "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt of it." some famous person |
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19 Feb 04 - 07:10 PM (#1119576) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: freightdawg Tar Heel, I agree in principle to your post. There are just some problems that I see in the overall picture. And, yes, I am a Christian too. But who is it that wants innocent little Halloween parties banned from public schools? Loudmouthed "Christians" Who is it that wants some of our greatest literary works banned because the main character cusses, or has sex outside of marriage, or murders, or any one of a hundred sins that make up the human condition? (by the way, I wonder if they have read the Bible?) Loudmouthed "Christians" Who is it that complains to the TV networks when they broadcast a story about witches and fairies and make believe? You know the evil movie, "The Wizard of Oz." Loudmouthed "Christians" Who was it that protested loud and long when the "Harry Potter" books became popular? You know, all that evil wizardry and stuff. You got it. Loudmouthed "Christians" You see, I don't get it when "Christians" want to pray to God before a gladiatorial sport of mayhem like a football game, or to ask God for divine intervention before a test they should have studied for. Also, I would not want my child to have to pray to Allah, or Buddha, or any of the Gods of the other world's religions. There are radical so called "Christians" that are more dangerous to our religious freedoms than many atheists I know. So, if you are simply asking for the freedom to say a silent prayer, then you have my support. But if you are complaining that the world doesn't like you and won't give you your way, get over it. That is what Jesus said would happen. And they killed Him. Freightdawg |
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19 Feb 04 - 07:13 PM (#1119580) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Gareth Hmmm ! Little 'awk - I think yer hit the target. Gareth |
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19 Feb 04 - 07:38 PM (#1119599) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace Much truth above; however, I think the concept of a 'silent majority' is too easy to manipulate. I prefer people who have the stones to stand up for what they believe. Even if they disagree with me. |
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19 Feb 04 - 07:53 PM (#1119623) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: tar_heel IM NOT SILENT ANYMORE,AND THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNIG!!! |
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19 Feb 04 - 08:02 PM (#1119633) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Cobble Tar Heel, Well said. |
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19 Feb 04 - 08:07 PM (#1119636) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: McGrath of Harlow If I went to a football match in England I'd be pretty astonished to hear an introductory prayer. The nearest thing might be an attempt at a minutes silence if some football hero had died. You don't get many penalty goals kicked in church either. |
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19 Feb 04 - 08:12 PM (#1119641) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Jerry Rasmussen Being a Christian, and all, I see a big difference between praying in private and having public prayer, led by someone. I don't have any trouble with either one. If someone who is praying is a sinner, welcome to the club. I'm one of the Charter Members, sorry to say. I've heard all the arguments that once they took prayer out of the schools, this country went to Hell in a handbasket. If children need their teachers and principals to save them from damnation, what is going on at home? I don't have problem with eliminating prayer in public, although I LIKE the idea of a moment of silence for prayer, meditation, or a quick nap. Whatever you need at the moment. I find power in group prayer in church, but it gets pretty watered down in a public gathering, because there is no consensus being lifted up. If people want to speak out about prayer, better to spend a couple of minutes several times a day in the privacy of your own head. And, if your attitude is, "Oh, yeah, we're praying in public, whether you like it or not" I think you'd better check your attitude of humility and love. "Oh, how I love Jesus." But, that's between me and Jesus, and other believers or seekers. In our home, we say grace before meals... my wife and I offer up prayers to God, and our sons from her first marriage add their prayers to Allah. We share each other's prayers. And my Agnostic son doesn't join in, but doesn't feel left out. Public address system prayers are a different story... Turn up the reverb a little. That said, I'm a strong believer in prayer in the heart.. Jerry |
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19 Feb 04 - 08:23 PM (#1119650) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: McGrath of Harlow Oh yes - you get football ("soccer players") players making the sign of the cross at moments of high tension, like when they run out as a substitute, or have to take a crucial kick. But that's a kind of private prayer in a public place. |
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19 Feb 04 - 08:39 PM (#1119660) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: dianavan the silent majority aint so silent about same sex marriage or abortion, either. d |
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19 Feb 04 - 09:03 PM (#1119676) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Alaska Mike Tar_heel you misguided Troll. Our country was not "founded on Christian principles". Our country was populated by aboriginal people who were invaded by a group of religious zealots who wanted a place where they could practice their bigoted beliefs. These religious zealots used lies, brainwashing and biological warfare to eliminate their opposition. I personally, would prefer to live in a country where the predominant zealots cannot force their bigoted dogma down everyone else's throats. Keep praying if you want to, keep deluding yourself as to your own personal rightiousness, but keep it to yourself. The Pledge of Allegiance used to be a patriotic and inspirational part of my school memories. Whenever I recited it, our country seemed to me to be "indivisible" until the zealots put in the one thing GUARANTEED to divide us, "under God". I have no problem being patriotic, I love my country. But I will not abide know-it-all fanatics who think they can shove their own dimentia down my gullet. |
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19 Feb 04 - 09:14 PM (#1119682) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: harvey andrews Well, the only prayer at my team's matches is that Robbie Savage won't get sent off and we beat the Villa! Why, at a public event, should the private beliefs of anyone be foisted on others? Haven't we got enough to deal with what with video adverts round the pitch distracting us. The only God sport worships today is Mammon. |
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19 Feb 04 - 09:34 PM (#1119699) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST OK, lets say I accept your arguments, tarheel. Then: Don't speak out against same sex marriage, because they don't affect you. Don't speak out against abortion because it doesn't affect you. |
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19 Feb 04 - 09:34 PM (#1119700) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: McGrath of Harlow Does "Damn those Arsenal *******" count as a prayer? |
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19 Feb 04 - 09:42 PM (#1119706) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Little Hawk What is this "handbasket" that people keep talking about the world (or society) going to hell in??? What does it look like? I am not familiar with these handbaskets, and I am beginning to suspect they are mythical. But I could be wrong... I think we need to get to the bottom of it! - LH |
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19 Feb 04 - 09:42 PM (#1119707) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Walking Eagle I'm still waiting for my answer as to what interest you have in folk music Tar-Heel. We share a lot of free wheeling thoughts around here, but most of us would rather be jamming with each (conservative and Liberal)other. Share some musical interests with us 'above the line' and you might be more welcome. |
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19 Feb 04 - 10:38 PM (#1119746) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: McGrath of Harlow Fair do's - on this happy birthday thread to Áine last year I see that tar heel posted a link to his website. And he's got so me pretty good music in there, with streaming soundfiles and looks like he should have a lot of stuff to share about that, if he moved up to the music threads a bit more often. Sometimes we can forget how much we have in common here, when we get into talking politics. |
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19 Feb 04 - 10:40 PM (#1119748) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,harpgirl People confuse capitalism with democracy. The two are diametrically opposed in my opinion! Bush wasn't elected democratically but he certainly is a capitalist! I don't believe capitalism would flourish in a true democracy. tarheel won't be so smug when his retirement medical benefits get cut and his company decides they can't afford to pay him a living in retirements benefits and they cut that. But hey, Social Security will be privatized and that will help us all be better off financially in our old age! Of course, he is probably solvent because his wife still works! But you can blame that on the feminists, those evil women! She should be at home doing his bidding. Their fundamentalist Christans aren't they? |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:03 PM (#1119759) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Clint Keller Tarheel: You have a right to pray anywhere you want at any time. You don't have a right to make me or anyone else listen to it. Look in Matthew 6: 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. I don't know why you people don't read your own Book. clint |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:06 PM (#1119762) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Little Hawk Tar Heel...are you the long-awaited return of MAV? |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:22 PM (#1119774) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Bill D tar_heel's first post is based on the totally absurd assumption that 'truth' is based on MAJORITY RULES. Pooh! The reason we are SUPPOSED to have separation of church & state and NOT have prayers over the PA system at public eventes and in schools, is that no one knows exactly what the TRUTH is...therefore, pray what you want..silently! If there is a a God like YOU think, He will hear you... Do not force others to listen to your prayers, even if you outnumber them 1000 to 1! ....... I do not CARE if they do it in Israel or Iraq or China...or wherever. Anywhere that system is used, it is repressive and intolerant. I like living in America because it is supposed to be tolerant. I am not a religious person, but I respect your right to BE religious, as long as you allow me NOT to be. (Like my friend Jerry Rasmussen up there, who is a good dedicated Christian, but who does not demand it of others). When a minority group, especially young children, in a public place like a school, is subjected to prayers and messages that are not from their tradition, it creates uncomfortable situations and embarassment. This has been proven over & over....but for members of some religious groups, the whole point is to "witness" publicly and try to lead & convert! I lived in Kansas for many years, where Bible thumping was a proud tradition, and I saw so very many instances of one group trying to intimidate others that I can't begin to relate them all. Please note...I do not knock on the doors of Christians, trying to un-convert them, nor do I demand to read atheist literature over the speakers at a football game, nor do I reject a candidate for public office because I learn they are a member of 'X' sect....I ask only that one's religious preferences be kept a private matter as much as humanly possible! I will honor your beliefs, sing your songs with you sometimes, and enjoy the richness of your many beautiful pagents and ceremonies, when circumstances bring us together in a MUTUALLY acceptable way....just please do not expect me to shrug at being blessed and prayed 'at' when I am not in the mood! thankyouverymuch |
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19 Feb 04 - 11:46 PM (#1119788) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: dianavan Harpgirl: I don't believe capitalism would flourish in a true democracy. Labour unions would flourish in a true democracy and the capitalists know that the best way to divide and conquer is to introduce religious conflict and/or racism. I'm an unbaptised Christian but it is a personal choice that really has nothing to do with anybody else. Its betweeen me and my Christ. Why do people need other people (church) to support their belief system? I see this as a weakness of faith. I certainly do not need anyone to interpret the Bible or tell me what to believe. At the same time, I do not begrudge others for their weakness. I understand that many find solace in the community of the church. Thats great, but don't expect me to pray the way they want me to. d |
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20 Feb 04 - 12:19 AM (#1119802) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: LadyJean I grew up in Squirrel Hill. All mudcatters who read that, and know Pittsburgh are now wondering if I'm Jewish. I'm not. I'm Presbyterian. Which put me in the minority in a neighborhood that was 40percent Jewish and 40percent Catholic. I remember when kids in my neighborhood were forced to repeat the Protestant Lord's Prayer, (Though not the Presbyterian one, so I was kind of out of it too.) and hear a daily reading from the King James Bible. What they learned was that they were outsiders in their own country. It isn't that long ago that many people believed that a "good" American was a Protestant. Lots of good Americans didn't fit the pattern. |
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20 Feb 04 - 12:29 AM (#1119807) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Little Hawk Small scale capitalism would flourish in a true democracy. I'm not so sure that large scale corporate capitalism would. If it was there, it would have to contend with very effective labour unions. Centralized corporate capitalism is not in favour of true democracy, it's in favour of plutocracy...rule by the very wealthy few at the top...through apparently democratic structures which have been bought out and eviscerated by those same wealthy few. It's very similar to Stalin's Communism in its basic intent (total control and hegemony over every material thing in the World), but quite different in its outer appearance. You get more consumer goods under the corporate system, two or more phony political parties instead of just one, a higher standard of living for those who "make it", a lower standard of living for those who don't, more sex trade and prostitution, more illegal drug trade, more desperate poverty, more crime in the streets, more freedom of speech, more freedom of the press, more vulgarity, more advertising, less medical care, and more unemployment. Pick your evils as you choose. Centralized plutocracy is no damn good regardless of what it calls itself, and regardless of whether it's socialist or capitalist. - LH |
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20 Feb 04 - 12:45 AM (#1119815) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,harpgirl Plutocracy, that's the word I meant to use! But more freedom of speech and more freedom of the press under corporate capitalism? I disagree. Dick Cheny's approach to information regarding his business activities is more like it,LH! The press is controlled in this latest capitalist War! |
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20 Feb 04 - 01:49 AM (#1119836) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Clint Keller I want an answer from tarheel. Did you ever read the book of Matthew in your own Bible? If you're such a devout Christian how come you know so little about your gospels? clint |
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20 Feb 04 - 11:27 AM (#1119855) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Jerry Rasmussen One other comment... the silent majority is not bigoted and hateful. Thank God, tarheel that you are the noisy minority. The majority of people don't think that blacks are lazy and don't want to work... or that they eat watermelon every day and say Yas Suh. If the majority in this country was as hateful and ignorant of their own faith as you are, I'm glad they're silent. (Which they aren't, of course.) God IS love. Anything that isn't love isn't from God. Bill D and I know that love is the producer of joy. Materialism is the producer of memontary happiness followed by dissatisfaction. God is love to me. Love is love to Bill D. But in the long run, it's love, not hate that manifests our true purpsoe for existence. Jerry |
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20 Feb 04 - 11:27 AM (#1119856) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Walking Eagle Tar Heal, I checked McGrath's post above that has a clickie to your website. He's right, you do have a lot to share with us about your musical experiences. Please do! You are most welcome to. You other 'catters should check the website as well. You feel terribly hurt or powerless about SOMETHING. I hope you figure it out and deal with it and come back and tell us of your experiences with music. We do care, you know. |
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20 Feb 04 - 11:29 AM (#1119858) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: kendall What Mike said. The Puritans came here for religous freedom. First thing they did was hang two Quakers. "Never make fun of ANOTHERS RELIGEON...IT IS NO SILLIER THAN YOUR OWN." |
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20 Feb 04 - 02:00 PM (#1119956) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: McGrath of Harlow There's a Presbyterian Lord's Prayer and a Protestant Lord's Prayer? How do they differ? I know about the variance between the way Catholics say it and the Protestant version (Catholic "who art" and "for thine be the Kingdom etc" is a separate prayer, and we generally call it "The Our Father" rather than "The Lord's Prayer"), but I didn't know Presbyteriamns said it differently from other Protestants. Of course that kind of thing could make joint acts of worship tricky, even among a mixed bag of Christians. How about "Please God, let's have a good game today", and leave it at that? |
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20 Feb 04 - 02:06 PM (#1119960) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Jack the Sailor Tar_Heel, Please tell us which ideas of your put you in the majority. As someone else has pointed out, you are hardly silent. That "Silent Majority" idea was B.S. when Nixon first described it, it is even more so now. And another thing, if you are going to cut and paste, have the curtosy to format it so that it is readable. |
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20 Feb 04 - 02:45 PM (#1119986) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Mrrzy Actually, this country was founded on freedom of religion. You can pray all you want to, you just can't make others shut up while you do it if they don't feel like it. Courtesy, which should make them want to, is another thing. |
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20 Feb 04 - 03:01 PM (#1119990) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace I think a medication adjustment is called for. |
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20 Feb 04 - 03:16 PM (#1120000) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: katlaughing You can pray all you want to, you just can't make others shut up while you do it if they don't feel like it. Courtesy, which should make them want to, is another thing. Do you mean, if you decide to pray out loud in a classroom or whever, I should just "shut up," no matter how I may feel about it? Why would I want to be courteous about that when it is a discourtesy to me that you have done so? Our country was founded not only on freedom of religion, but also from religion. kat |
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20 Feb 04 - 08:14 PM (#1120109) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace We hear in Canada too that this country was founded on Christian principles. That's bull. It was a land grab that succeeded. People who bring up the religious origins of either the US or Canada have a very tenuous grasp of history. They tend to spout something they've heard from a close friend of someone they knew who had it on good authority who met somebody who thinks they remember speaking with the guy that was near where what occurred may have happened. Neither country was founded on religious principles. Save that for the roses next spring. |
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20 Feb 04 - 09:10 PM (#1120139) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: tar_heel - PM Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:53 PM IM NOT SILENT ANYMORE,AND THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNIG!!! And please don't raise your voice to me. It's fuc#in' rude! Bruce M |
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20 Feb 04 - 09:20 PM (#1120145) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Don Firth To say that the United States was founded on Christian principles and then observe how many of these more vocal "Christians" behave is to expose their blatant hypocrisy. The fundamental Christian principle (which Fundamentalists seem to forget) is "Love thy neighbor." Jesus said it, and who should know Christian principles better than He? It is not "Screw thy neighbor right, left, and center," which is the principle this country all too often operates on, on a personal level, on a national level, and on an international level. Christian principles? I think not! And I speak as one who regularly attends a main-stream Christian church and is often embarrassed to call himself a Christian because of the loud mouths and general behavior of the so-called "Christians" who insist that they are "the silent majority." Don Firth |
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20 Feb 04 - 09:37 PM (#1120157) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: rangeroger Chuck (tar-heel), first joined the Mudcat back in Feb of 2000 when I did. At that time he had a problem with his capslock in that he didn't know how to release it.Several people tried to explain to him at that time that he was shouting at everyone, but it hasn't seemed to have taken effect. His periodic rambles here have taken some strange turns, but he is a musician and has a lot of good music. rr ( a licensed,gun-carrying, Christian, LIBERAL!) |
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20 Feb 04 - 09:49 PM (#1120164) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Teresa I don't think the religious principles the country was founded on match the Christian fundamentalist ones. I am not a historian, but as I remember it, Jefferson and others were deeply interested in esoteric mysteries, albeit Christian. The pyramid on the currency reflects this. Also, I don't think Jefferson was one of the Puritan stripe, and there were many others who were not either. Teresa |
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20 Feb 04 - 10:15 PM (#1120173) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace OK, but ya know? I too have weapons. I don't carry 'em. I am a liberal of sorts. I am mostly a Christian. And I like musicians. So, I'll tell ya what: he can sing and I will listen. But this ain't singin', this is gab that's occasionally somewhere to the right of the Nazi doctrine. If he's had too much aluminium in his diet or has a type of mental challenge, then I'll back off. How's that? |
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21 Feb 04 - 01:01 AM (#1120238) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Boab Tar heel's bible tells him to "pray without ceasing". Hope you don't try to follow the discussion here---you'll be damned if you do---it's 'way,'way past your prayer-time! |
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21 Feb 04 - 03:15 AM (#1120278) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Clint Keller I still want to know if he's read the book of Matthew. how's about it, tarheel? You there? clint |
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21 Feb 04 - 09:07 AM (#1120372) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Jerry Rasmussen Quoting my friend Brer Rabbit: "And the tar baby, he don't say nuthin." Got ole Brer Rabbit mad enough that he poked that tar baby right in the eye. Don't hold your breath waiting for a response, Clint. Jerry |
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21 Feb 04 - 09:28 AM (#1120379) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Frankham The fundamentalists both Christians and Jews are playing a terrible cat and mouse game in Israel. The Fundamentalist (so-called) Christians are supporting Zionism because they say it is prophesied in the Gospels that Israel will prevail over their enemies. They say Jesus will return to smite dead anyone who doesn't believe in him including Jews. Jews don't believe in Jesus. They believe in the Messiah but some in Israel are courting the Fundamentalist Christians because they want support for their country and the building of the wall. Both have a radically different idea of the Messiah. The Fundi-Christians believe that their leader will destroy the Jewish Messiah and the Jewish orthodox people believe that their Messiah will prevail over Jesus. Two elements in bed in Zionism with contradictory outcomes. How crazy is that? As to the nonsense about Christian prayers at football games, Tar-heel's points are simplistic and naive. I agree with Joseph Campbell who says that Christianity is basically a pacifist religion which has been hi-jacked by fundamentalist crazies. Frank |
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21 Feb 04 - 09:33 AM (#1120381) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Frankham Also, the US was not founded under any Christian principles that are being thrown around recklessly by Fundamentalist Pseudo-Christians. Jefferson, Franklyn, Tom Paine, even Washington, and many of the founding fathers would be appalled at this notion. Tar_Heel, check out what they really believed. One thing for certain, they believed in separating church and state. I will say this about Jesus. He would be called first a "communist", or a "terrorist" and probably thrown into jail by an Ashcroft court. Frank |
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21 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM (#1120417) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Ebbie I infer that pre-game prayers plead for a "good game on both sides and that no one be hurt." I got to wondering about prayers before a war or individual battles. Does one pray for the ability to fight well and that no one be hurt? |
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21 Feb 04 - 11:33 AM (#1120454) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace Heckuvan idea, Ebbie. |
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21 Feb 04 - 01:48 PM (#1120516) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: dianavan Israel is a state of mind. The moment it became a material state with weapons and borders it became corrupt. War is not about religion. Its about the land and the resources. When one nation thinks it has a right to deprive others of their homes and basic freedoms, the conflict begins. Messiah? Christ? Same thing - a hope and a dream of oppressed people. Mohammed and Jesus? Great teachers who tried to make their world a better place. d |
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21 Feb 04 - 02:01 PM (#1120524) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace This thread may be mistitled. The silent majority needs to determine who will speak for it. What we really require is a good translator. I'm reminded of the following . . . What this country needs is a good five cent cigar! Well, we have one, but it costs a quarter. Ya see, what this country really needs is a good five cent nickle. Will Rogers (I think). |
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21 Feb 04 - 02:24 PM (#1120530) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Clint Keller You're no doubt right Jerry. Accordiing to my research those Christian public prayer advocates never do answer that question. & the Uncle Remus quote is brilliant. brer clint |
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21 Feb 04 - 02:39 PM (#1120543) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: pdq brucie...I think the quote is from this guy... Eddie "The Old Philosopher" Lawrence... A veteran of the Borscht Belt circuit, Lawrence quickly found his niche with his character the Old Philosopher, scoring several comedy hits and making "Is that what's bothering you, bunkie?" |
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21 Feb 04 - 03:02 PM (#1120565) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: dianavan Why would you pray to God for help? Isn't that a bit blasphemous? I mean he already gave you everything you need. Pray to those who have walked before you. The spirit of your ancestors will guide you. If you have enough nerve to call his name, make sure it is praise and thanks. In fact, it probably gets down to the best we can do is sing praises and dance jubilantly. I think that would please God. Public prayer? I don't think anyone would want to hear me talking to my grandma. They might go for the singin' and dancin' though. d |
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21 Feb 04 - 04:08 PM (#1120614) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace Thanks pdq. BM |
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22 Feb 04 - 10:57 AM (#1121070) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peter K (Fionn) It's fuc#in' rude! Brucie, there's something wrong with your fucking keyboard. You don't get many penalty goals kicked in church either. McG, surely here at Mudcat we haven't forgotten the immortal hymn: "Drop-kick me, Jesus, through the Goalposts of Life"? Alaska Mike: Right on the money! |
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22 Feb 04 - 11:35 AM (#1121087) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Art Thieme To paraphrase what I get out of a quick reading of the first post in this thread, "LIVE AND LET LIVE. Lower your voice and be civil. With respect, stay out of each others faces. And try not to piss on people's lawns when you come out of a night game at Wrigley Field." That's cool with me ! Art Thieme |
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22 Feb 04 - 01:19 PM (#1121140) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Peace Fionn: Y0u te!!in' me t4ere's s0met4ing wron9 w!t4 my f#ckin' keyb0ard? W4at d0 y0u t4!nk !t c0uld be? |
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23 Feb 04 - 06:36 AM (#1121652) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: Dave the Gnome Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights Hmmmm. Let me see what religion Tar Heel is... You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 So he is not a christian... Let there be no injury and no requital. Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi 32 Doesn't seem to be a moslem... Those who are insulted but do not insult others in revenge, who hear themselves reproached without replying, who perform good work out of the love of the Lord and rejoice in their sufferings... are "as the sun when he goeth forth in his might." Talmud, Yoma 23a or a jew... Got it! He is a member of the trollish faith:-) Cheers DtG |
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23 Feb 04 - 07:02 AM (#1121667) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: McGrath of Harlow That Jesus sounds like another of those bleeding heart liberals. "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you..." |
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23 Feb 04 - 07:46 PM (#1122191) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: dianavan Thats what I said before: A bleeding heart is sacred. My mother-in-law(ex) had a picture of the Celtic Christ hanging in the parlour. The poor guy had a big heart with blood dripping from it. d |
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24 Feb 04 - 05:00 AM (#1122436) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST Thought this bit was absolutely hilarious: " Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek.." Well tar_heel, if that is indeed the case - according to the teachings of Jesus - they ain't Christians. |
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24 Feb 04 - 05:19 AM (#1122441) Subject: RE: BS: time for silent majority to speak up!!! From: GUEST,Teribus MGOH English Football matches - I thought that the Hymn "Abide with me" was always sung at the F.A. Cup Final - Anything changed? |