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16 Mar 04 - 12:51 PM (#1138288) Subject: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull just heard this on BBc Radio 4 drive time programme, apparently its £3,000 per year, so get sentenced to 20 years for a crime you did not commit, you will be charged £60,000, you don't have to pay it in cash though, they can deduct it from any damages you are owed for false imprisonment! |
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16 Mar 04 - 12:55 PM (#1138294) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Clinton Hammond ?? I think yer drunk again John... |
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16 Mar 04 - 12:58 PM (#1138297) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull perfectly sober Clinton, go to wwwbbc.co.uk/radio4, then click listen again, you will hear the full article for yourself. Did anyone else hear it? |
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16 Mar 04 - 01:05 PM (#1138300) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Amergin I can't find it John. I cannot find anything about it anywhere. |
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16 Mar 04 - 01:21 PM (#1138317) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: McGrath of Harlow I couldn't find it - but I remember in the case of the Bridgewater Three, who were imprisoned for 18 years before an appeal decided they'd been wrongly convicted of murder, the Government tried to have a sizeable sum deducted from the damages they eventually received, on the grounds that, while in prison, they'd had been saved the cost of rent and food and so forth. The court threw it out, but it sound as if the same crafty bureaucrats are having another crack at someone else. |
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16 Mar 04 - 02:35 PM (#1138395) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: harvey andrews Yes I heard the same story. They're to be charged B+B for wrongful imprisonment, theory being they've been compensated for years when they didn't pay for meals. I've checked the diary and it isn't April 1st yet. Unbelievable. |
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16 Mar 04 - 03:11 PM (#1138436) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: McGrath of Harlow Do they charge Tony Blair rent for Number Ten? Perk of the job. |
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16 Mar 04 - 03:18 PM (#1138445) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: GUEST clearly it is the fault of these people that they were incarcerated - having not proved themselves innocent - therefore incurring cost to the state for the housing and board for years until their unscruplous manipulation of the system is revealed. ONly fitting they pay. |
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16 Mar 04 - 03:23 PM (#1138452) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: McGrath of Harlow Think of what they save on going down the pub, for a start. Or the supermarket. And no Council Tax to pay either. They must be quids in. Skiving, that's what they are doing. And it's not as if they are even entitled to be in prison in the first place... |
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16 Mar 04 - 03:31 PM (#1138459) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Bee-dubya-ell It used to be common practice for bums and vagrants to intentionally get caught committing minor crimes as winter approached so they'd get tossed in the county jail and have someplace warm to live during cold weather. Today's "three strikes" rules have probably killed off the practice. First offense may still be 30 days and second offense 90 days, but third offense could mean years in prison. Bruce |
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16 Mar 04 - 04:19 PM (#1138516) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: greg stephens They must have saved loads on wear and tear on clothes too, presumably the government issue those suits with arrows on. They also been kept very safe from things like car accidents, trees falling on the heads, tripping over irregular paving stones, being shot by trigger happy policmen and all sorts of stuff in the outside world. Surely that must also have a calculable financial value? |
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16 Mar 04 - 04:42 PM (#1138541) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: McGrath of Harlow No TV licence to buy. No dog licence - no dog food, for that matter. No expenses with holiday trips. Don't have to pay for running a car. Some people don't know when they are lucky. |
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16 Mar 04 - 05:03 PM (#1138556) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Eric the Viking The begining of this was passed by the tories some years ago. Where, if you were injured by a third party from whom damages, compensation etc was recoverable and you managed to obtain such. Then your employer was able to reclaim any sick pay and or other expenses that you had received from your recieved compensation.Pretty shitty stuff, since it would in the early days, wipe out any actual compensation for pain and suffering. However, lawyers soon caught on, and therefore claims for compensation escalated in the amounts persued. Of course,many of these claims only run into thousands, but consider the amounts paid out for libel etc-there is no clawback on things like this. (Maybe because generally only the rich are libelled) As usual it's the rich wot gets the pleasure. |
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16 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM (#1138567) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: GUEST,BIG ANDY CHEEKY TWAT'S I think it could be time to get that scaffolding outside the second window of whitehall again, and get rid of the people who think this crap up |
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17 Mar 04 - 03:16 AM (#1138900) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: darkriver This is for real. I'm surprised that all you Brits can't find the threads. David Blunkett, the Labour Home Secretary, has proposed in the Royal Courts of Justice in London for the right to charge victims of miscarriages of justice more than £3000 for every year they spent in jail while wrongly convicted. The logic is that the innocent man shouldn't have been in prison eating free porridge and sleeping for nothing under regulation grey blankets. See the article here: We locked you up in jail for 25 years and you were innocent all along? That'll be £80,000 please. Worthy of Old Dean Swift himself. |
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17 Mar 04 - 03:27 AM (#1138908) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Shanghaiceltic What next allow long term prisoners the right to buy their own prison cell? Estate agents would have a field day. |
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17 Mar 04 - 03:44 AM (#1138915) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Quoute "No TV Licence to pay" McGrath-if you are in jail, and you have a telly in your cell, you have to pay for it, it's not free! |
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17 Mar 04 - 03:49 AM (#1138923) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Linda Kelly good lord -the Americans could make a fortune in Guantanemo Bay! |
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17 Mar 04 - 04:02 AM (#1138931) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: mooman So it's free if you're guilty or do they get a bill as well on release? Truly this has finally convinced me that the remotest glimmer of sense has finally left this government. Peace moo |
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17 Mar 04 - 04:03 AM (#1138932) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Dave Hanson I don't know if it is still the case but years ago, if you were injured in a road traffic accident and you were at fault, you had to pay for the ambulance that saved you. eric |
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17 Mar 04 - 04:04 AM (#1138935) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull mooman-if youre guilty you get to stay in jail totaly free, [apart from paying for your telly if you want one], if youre innocent, you must pay [its about £70 a week]. |
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17 Mar 04 - 04:06 AM (#1138937) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull eric-its still the case, [its about £45], pedestrians don't pay, and motorists can hand the bill to their insurance co. |
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17 Mar 04 - 04:12 AM (#1138941) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull A few years ago, I was knocked off a motorbike by a hit an run driver, I recieved a bill from the hospital for the ambulance journey, i was a bit fed up at this, so rung them up "you can fick off , if you think i'm paying that", the reply was "pay it, or we'll sue you in the County Court"! i got my insurance co. to pay it, but next time i go to hospital after an accident, i will phone a taxi, it will be a lot cheaper! |
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17 Mar 04 - 06:16 AM (#1138991) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: jacqui.c On the insurance thing - yes, emplyers can claw back wages paid but his has always been IN ADDITION to damages paid to the injured party who gets his full whack from the Insurer. Insurers now also have to pay the cost of hospital treatment - ove £400 for outpatient treatment and approx. £400 per day for a stay in hospital up to a limit of £10,000. There are moves afoot to make Insurers pay the whole cost of treatment which, in the case of a paraplegic, could be astronomical. Watch your motor premiums rise accordingly! |
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17 Mar 04 - 06:24 AM (#1138995) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: McGrath of Harlow Anyone got any facts on whether Tony Blair has to pay rent for his flat above the shop in Number Ten? |
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17 Mar 04 - 06:49 AM (#1139011) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: jacqui.c Kevin -he's got the bigger one over number eleven - do you think that Gordon has charged him extra for that? |
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17 Mar 04 - 07:05 AM (#1139015) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Donuel When wounded and dying US soldiers are shipped to German hospitals they are personally charged for their meals and other basics. |
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17 Mar 04 - 07:20 AM (#1139022) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Sandra in Sydney Hey, what if the innocent prisoner owned his/her place & wasn't renting, will they just be charged for their food? Reminds me of the Chinese habit of charging the family for the bullet used to execute their (late) member! Some years back a relative who is a nurse said that non-essential travel in an ambulance was charged for. Emergencies were not, but calling an ambulance for travel to a medical or hospital appointment was a different matter. Recently I saw a poster in a Health Funds window saying their customers can pay $270pa to be covered for ambulance cover. sandra (healthy & staying that way) |
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17 Mar 04 - 08:05 AM (#1139037) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: GUEST,CrazyEddie So if the government wins this court case, will a convicted kidnapper be able to claim similar money from the kidnapee? Will Terry Waite have to pay a fortune to some people in Beriut? The logic seems inescapable. |
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17 Mar 04 - 05:07 PM (#1139439) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Peace Do they use lots of bad drugs in Whitehall? |
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17 Mar 04 - 05:34 PM (#1139455) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: MARINER This is the same kind of skewed thinking that until the last world war stopped the pay of sailors who had been torpedoed.Once the ship sank they were deemed to be unemployed.Many poor devils who had subbed a few weeks pay ended up owing the company money for the privilage of being blown up.! |
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17 Mar 04 - 07:44 PM (#1139548) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: McGrath of Harlow Could someone gve a link to the actual case? |
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18 Mar 04 - 02:38 PM (#1140221) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Schantieman ...er...sounds like someone ought to write a song about this.... S |
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19 Mar 04 - 08:17 AM (#1140827) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Strollin' Johnny In 1967 I got knocked off my Lambretta by a dog not far from Brigg .(and before you ask, yes THE Brigg of 'Fair' fame). I propped my Lambretta and sundry now-disconnected pieces of same in a farm gate and walked three miles to Brigg hospital where I got patched up with elastoplast and had a tetanus shot. I then walked three miles back to my Lambretta, tied the now-disconnected pieces on the carrier, and pushed it the eighteen-or-so miles back to Gainsborough. Started the push about 2 pm, arrived home about 10 pm. Several weeks later a bill arrived from the hospital for my treatment. It was £1-10s-6d in old money (about £1-52 in silly money). Inlation since 1967 has been at least 500%, so my £1-10s-6d translates to around £760, which makes jOhn's £45 for being picked up in an ambulance a snip. Just thought I'd tell you that. :0) JB |
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19 Mar 04 - 08:18 AM (#1140828) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Strollin' Johnny Or inFlation even. |
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19 Mar 04 - 07:36 PM (#1141339) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: GUEST,Thawed out now. In 1984 ish I was pratting around on a very understanding friend's Bonneville in Durham, on disused land near gravelly railway sidings. The inevitable happened and the back wheel slid, being only five foot four inches tall, I admirably grappled for control,thinking of his newly custom painted tank, and swiftly lost it. Ended up in casualty with the understanding friend, and a broken bone in my foot. As luck would have it the attending dashing young doctor who was also a Triumph fan took pity on me, and explained that you only have to pay if the motor vehicle is moving at the time of the accident. He wrote his report to say that I was merely sitting astride the stationary Bonnie and it fell to one side, thus injuring the now throbbing foot. The upside was I didnt get hit with a hefty bill. The downside was it snowed about 12 inches that night and I had to endure my journey back to London the next day riding pillion, with a pair of crutches under my left arm and my now balloon sized foot wrapped in plastic bags and scarves propped up on the same understanding friends thigh. Not a good way to travel. But better than a night in a cell, marginally. |
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20 Mar 04 - 04:35 PM (#1141886) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Strollin' Johnny Aaaaah, the joys of two-wheeled travel! :0) |
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06 Oct 04 - 02:09 PM (#1290445) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: GUEST,~A WIFE~ My husband is~COMPLETELY INNOCENT~NEED HELP~ANYONE THAT CAN HELP ME PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT sharondarnell237@hotmail.com or puppy42064@yahoo.com ~NEED ADVICE-THANK YOU~ |
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07 Oct 04 - 05:16 AM (#1291063) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: GUEST,Yorkshire Lad Well done jOhn for pointing this out, I didn`t see Clinton Hammond return with an "i`m sorry", likely too busy wiping the egg of his mouth. |
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08 Oct 04 - 03:32 AM (#1292063) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: Peace Thing is, innocent people ARE being charged for prisons already. They are called tax payers. |
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08 Oct 04 - 08:14 PM (#1292749) Subject: RE: BS: Innocent people to be charged for prison From: The Fooles Troupe "What next allow long term prisoners the right to buy their own prison cell?" Well, I have seen documentaries about some South American prisons which run that way... and some which allow the family - kids & all - to live with the prisoner inside the jail. They can walk in and out freely, while dad has to stay. businesses are even run form within the jail... a family has to live you know... |