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22 Apr 04 - 01:03 PM (#1168137) Subject: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart I am expanding my song book and looking for new material. So far I have these songs in my song book : 1) (Boney on ) The Isle of St. Helena 2) Bonny Bunch of Roses O 3) The Plains of Waterloo 4) Bonny Light Horseman but would like to add more if I can find them. Thanks! Bekki |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:10 PM (#1168141) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: The Borchester Echo "the Napoleonic ars" Well, I don't personally know "Boney's Bottom" but it clearly must exist. |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:14 PM (#1168149) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: The Borchester Echo To be more constructive, put 'Napoleon' into the DT search box and around 20 more songs will come up. |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:15 PM (#1168151) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: Bearheart Yeah well I tried to correct that, but for some reason it didn't take. Do you have to clear the thread and start over? Will someone help? If you know "Boney's Bottom" or would like to take a shot at composing it, I am probably desperate enough for new material to sing it... Though I might move it to the Comical Songs section. Bekki |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:15 PM (#1168152) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: Desert Dancer Search the DT on "Napoleon" and you get 0.9688 - THE BONNIE BUNCH OF ROSES (2) 0.8909 - THE GRAND CONVERSATION OF NAPOLEON 0.8788 - THE DREAM OF NAPOLEON 0.8169 - PLAINS OF WATERLOO 0.8169 - THE BONNY BUNCH OF ROSES-O 0.8169 - BONNIE LIGHT HORSEMAN (3) 0.8164 - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE 0.7967 - WAL, I SWAN (Git Up, Napoleon) 0.7967 - WELLINGTON AND WATERLOO 0.7967 - THE GREEN LINNET 0.7967 - THE EIGHTEENTH DAY OF JUNE0 0.7742 - THE TWA EMPERORS 0.7742 - PLAINS OF WATERLOO II 0.7742 - PLAINS OF WATERLOO (1) 0.7742 - PLAINS OF WATERLOO (2) 0.7742 - THEYRE COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY (Napoleon the 14th) 0.7742 - THE SOUTH DOWN MILITIA 0.7742 - NOBLE LADS OF CANADA 0.7742 - MY JOHNNY LAD 0.7742 - ROUND HITLER'S GRAVE 0.7742 - THE MEANS TEST MAN 0.7742 - JORDAN IS A HARD ROAD TO TRAVEL 0.7742 - HOT ASPHALT 0.7742 - THE FRENCH WARS 0.7742 - BONY ON THE ISLE OF ST. HELENA 0.7742 - BONEY'S DEFEAT 0.7742 - BONAPARTE'S FAREWELL 0.7742 - BONAPARTE 0.7742 - THE BALLAD OF THE CO VAN MY 0.7742 - BALD GENERAL COOTE And oodles of Forum mentions. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:18 PM (#1168154) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: Bearheart I will check, though I did look for Napoleonic Wars and nothing came up. I was hoping for leads on especially nice ones though. Like-- "what's your favorite..." more fun and less tedious. |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:19 PM (#1168156) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: Bearheart Thanks Desert Dancer. I will check the list. |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:20 PM (#1168157) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: masato sakurai Results of search query ("napoleon") at The Traditional Ballad Index: 1: Saint Helena (Boney on the Isle of St. Helena) 2: Plains of Waterloo (II), The [Laws J3] 3: Green Linnet, The 4: Bonny Bunch of Roses, The [Laws J5] 5: Bonaparte 6: Wal I Swan (Giddyap Napoleon, Ebenezer Frye) 7: Nelson's Victory at Trafalgar (Brave Nelson) [Laws J17] 8: Jordan Am a Hard Road to Travel 9: Boney 10: Shan Van Voght, The 11: One Night Sad and Languid 12: Jamie Foyers 13: Bonnie Light Horseman, The 14: Battle of the Nile, The [Laws J18] 15: We Fought Like the Divil 16: 'Poleon Dore 17: Cross-ref: "Napoleon Bonaparte" See Saint Helena (Boney on the Isle of St. Helena) 18: Cross-ref: "Napoleon" See Saint Helena (Boney on the Isle of St. Helena) 19: Laurel Hill 20: Heights of Alma (I), The [Laws J10] |
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22 Apr 04 - 01:31 PM (#1168172) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic ars? From: Bearheart Thanks, I have copied these lists and will work through them. Would still like leads on people's favorites and/or sources for tunes... Bekki |
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22 Apr 04 - 03:13 PM (#1168267) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,Chanteyranger Jerry Bryant has recently recorded a CD of sea songs from that period, "Roast Beef Of Old England." Dick Greenhaus may have it at CAMSCO. These are not necessarily songs about Napoleon himself, but English songs of that era, inspired by the Aubrey/Maturin series. Chanteyranger |
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22 Apr 04 - 03:25 PM (#1168276) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,Chanteyranger Oh, yes, and Irish singer Frank Harte's two-CD set of period songs about Napoleon and the wars, "My Name Is Napoleon Bonaparte," is a must. Donal Lunny accompanies. |
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22 Apr 04 - 03:50 PM (#1168296) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Q (Frank Staplin) A lot in the Bodleian ballads. Start by searching Napoleon, then Waterloo, etc., etc. Bodley |
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22 Apr 04 - 04:04 PM (#1168310) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Desert Dancer The New Scorpion Band (English) recorded a cd, The Plains of Waterloo, Songs and Music of the Napoleonic Wars. It's got 1. The Route has just come for the Blues 2. The Grenadiers March 1776 / The Rogues March 3. Drink Old England Dry 4. Boney Crossing the Rhine / Madame Bonaparte 5. The Plains of Waterloo / The Blackbird 6. Jolly Jack Tar / Lord Nelsons Hornpipes 7. Lady Nelsons / Lord Nelsons Waltzes 8. Bold Nelsons Praise 9. The Girl I left Behind Me / The British Grenadiers 10. Waterloo Dance 11. Little Boney 12. St Helena March 13. Boney on St Helena ~ Becky in Tucson |
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22 Apr 04 - 04:06 PM (#1168314) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Macha The book A Bonnie Bunch Of Roses has a whole section on Napoleon. |
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22 Apr 04 - 07:18 PM (#1168452) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,petr on another note, the Moravian Band Hradistan, had a cd a few years ago with a Napoleonic theme - as one of the major battles fields Slavkov (or in German Austerlitz) was in Moravia. Its one of my favourite cds and its interesting how the Napoleonic wars left a major impression on the land and the people. |
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22 Apr 04 - 07:52 PM (#1168479) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: The Borchester Echo Guest: petr, This sounds very interesting and I'd like to hear it. There are a number of Hradistan CDs listed on Amazon but no indication of tracklists. Can you please supply a title and any other details? |
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22 Apr 04 - 10:39 PM (#1168558) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: masato sakurai 87 broadside ballads about napoleonic wars, 1800-1815 are at the Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads site. |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:02 AM (#1168600) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: mack/misophist How did every one miss The Warlike Lads Of Russia? 'They fought all in one line. Made Bonapart to run away, and leave his troops behind. |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:34 AM (#1168616) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: semi-submersible Has music ever been set to Rudyard Kipling's "A St Helena Lullaby" (from his book Rewards and Fairies)? |
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23 Apr 04 - 01:29 AM (#1168635) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: darkriver I wasn't sure what exactly was being asked for. Do you want songs about Napoleon and the Napoleonic Wars, period? --Songs from every possible source and time? Or do you want songs popular or created during that period? If the latter, I guess the ever-reliable and -helpful Masato's got it... doug aka darkriver |
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23 Apr 04 - 02:35 AM (#1168667) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Wolfgang The Frank Harte double CD recommended above comes with a booklet with the lyrics included. I second the recommendation. Wolfgang |
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23 Apr 04 - 02:57 AM (#1168674) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: pavane Mustn't forget Banks of the Nile, which doesn't come up on the search! Young Tradition did a splendid version (on Galleries?) Related to High Germany, but set in the Battle of the Nile era (Funny thing, about half of the (many) versions in the Bodleian library refer to COLD sandy desert on the banks of the Nile instead o HOT!) |
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23 Apr 04 - 04:17 AM (#1168734) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: The Walrus Bearheart, A few from "Songs and Music of the Redcoats" (Lewis Winstock, 1970): Souters o'Selkirk (used as a 'rally' for the Selkirk volunteer force) The Rogues March Savouneen Deelish Garryowen Downfall of Paris (tune only) The Sentinel (tune only) British Bayonteers ('British Grenadiers' parody) Farewell to Lochaber The Soger's Return Love Farewell The Owl Sahgun Barrosa One and All (Royal Cornwall Militia version) Riflemen's Song (General Dundas) Ein Scifflein Sah Ich Fahren (KGL song) Any use? Walrus |
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23 Apr 04 - 04:57 AM (#1168771) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Teribus "The Heights of Alma" - Napoleonic Wars? - Hardly that song is about the Crimean War. Some others: Johnny Gallagher Whiskey you're the Devil Twa Recruitin' Sergeants |
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23 Apr 04 - 05:13 AM (#1168785) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: LindsayInWales I don't think anyone has mentioned "Boney Was A Warrior" there is also a Morris Dance called "Swaggering Boney" |
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23 Apr 04 - 06:30 AM (#1168828) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,eoin o'buadhaigh 'The Strangford Shore' is another Napoleonic love song (usual thing, about girl does the dirty on poor fella and gets married to someone else while he is off trying to make his fortune just to please her) Strangford Shore Being early in the morning, when the battle's din was o'er And we sat down upon the ground amidst the bloody gore. We'd lost the fight on that third night, our dead they numbered high And the cries of pain drove men insane, as they rent the evening sky. And weary then I knelt to rest, were my dead comrades lay And I bade them all a sad farewell for brave they met the fray. And I bade them all a last farewell as I leave this cursed shore, For should I gain home, I'll n'er more roam, from Comber on Strangford shore. Three days and nights the battle raged, the air did hang with death And more than once I was forced to kneel and fight to gain my breath. Few of my comrades from my youth did fight by my right side, But on that second day under Marshal Neigh'e at Lign'eay they fell and died. On July the thirteenth day we sailed, from Rockport we did embark And three weeks later our journey o'er, I gained home as the evening grew dark. I wish now to God that I'd been slain in some battle that I did fight; Than to see the girl that I love dear, all on her wedding night. When both very young we pledged a vow, no other we'd ever take. The years flew past, we both held fast, all others we did forsake. But I being poor, her father he frowned on me and he bid me go And not return 'till her hand I'd earned and spangles on her bestow. So away I went and three years I spent in France under Bonepart. I bade farewell to all my friends and with her I charged my heart. I worked my best for her father's request but alas I'm as poor as before, Though a wealthier man, at last I stand, now I'm home on my Strangford shore. So all young men here, I pray draw near and heed now to what I say. And don't believe the female kind, or listen to what they say. For I believed that she was true and I fought, her heart to gain. From all the battles I'v fought, the lesson I'm taught is that 'Love holds the longest pain' ____________________________________________________________________ I hope you like it, it's part of my collection. I have another Bonny song, only it's pro Wellington. It's called 'Fallen Bonny' cheers eoin. |
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23 Apr 04 - 06:51 AM (#1168834) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Gurney And to lighten the mood, try the monologues starring the famous Sam Small, written by Edgar and others. 'Monologues' on a search engine will find 'Make 'em Laugh'. |
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23 Apr 04 - 07:32 AM (#1168856) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,JOHN OF ELSIES BAND We do a song concerning the Napoleonic wars that appears not to have been covered but is to be found in the Bodleian Library. It is "Elwina of Waterloo". It descibes how an injured soldier is tended on the battlefield by Edwina, a beautiful girl, and she subsequently becomes his wife and resides in "quiet contentment" back home. |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:15 PM (#1169066) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST War-Like Lads of Russia!..a great one! |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:19 PM (#1169074) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,Reel Brew Well....2 people knew of "The War-Like Lads of Russia"...great song about Bonney running with his tail between his legs! Slainte! |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:27 PM (#1169086) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: The Borchester Echo The War-Like Lads of Russia Tune by Nic Jones and words also expanded by him from a fragment. One of his greatest achievments, IMO. |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:44 PM (#1169103) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST War-Like Lads...do a Net search for the tune versioned by "The Navigators" from Newfoundland! |
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23 Apr 04 - 12:58 PM (#1169117) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart Well, I knew I could count on the Catters! What riches. I do appreciate this. Thanks to all of you so much. Somehow the collection by Frank Harte comes as no surprise, and I must have it (oh and I have birthday coming up in MAY!). John of Elsie's Band, tell me more about your song, I am very interested. I am also interested in Strangford Shore-- Eoin-- where do I find the tune? Desert Dancer, I will check out that CD. Macha, thanks for your suggestion. I have to say that I don't understand my own fascination with these songs, but the ones I tend to collect are usually not the humorous sort (not that those offend me), and tend to have either a haunting melody, haunting words, or both. This query was primarily about songs that deal with that theme, but I also collect songs about a range of themes including anti-war songs. (The Banks of the Nile is already there-- under the Sad Love songs section though it could go in other places-- the best songs are hard to catagorize.) Most of what I put into my book are the songs I sing myself or expect to learn, and I focus primarily on on traditional Celtic/British music. I arrange everything by theme, and I'm revising it right now, and wanted to add new material to that section. I've been collecting songs since I was a kid so my songbook has evolved a lot in 30 some years. Right now I am celebrating my new harp and especially interested in songs suited to playing with her. Walrus-- This collection-- can you give some background info-- I'm guessing it's not exclusively about the Napoleonic Wars. Petr- yes I think that all wars have a lasting impression on the people who experience them-- and the songs are how we record that impression. No wonder so many deal with the sadness of war. Folks can feel free to PM me too with ideas. Bekki |
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23 Apr 04 - 01:03 PM (#1169123) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart Semi-submersible-- I just looked at the Kipling. Yes, I would definitely sing that if I had a tune. May need to find one. Anyone else want to try? Very timely. Thank you! Bekki |
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23 Apr 04 - 01:27 PM (#1169153) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart Lindswidder: I found two versions of Boney Was a Warrior in the DT, both shanteys it looks like. Which one was it you were thinking of? Bekki |
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23 Apr 04 - 03:35 PM (#1169270) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Pete MacGregor Re 'Warlike Lads Of Russia' I think Nic's version comes from the Bodleian Library. Try http://bodley24.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/acwwweng/ballads/image.pl?ref=Harding+B+25(246)&id=09364.gif&seq=1&size=0 Nic is definitely the guvnor with this one. |
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23 Apr 04 - 04:02 PM (#1169294) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: The Borchester Echo I think he got the lyric fragment from the Bod. Quoted in the notes to 'Unearthed', (Mollie Music MMCD02/03) Nic writes: Described on the broadsheet as 'A new song - Buonaparte's escape from Russia', I added a few extra words, wrote a tune and called it 'The Warlike Lads of Russia'. This recording was originally on a compilation album the late Fred Woods brought out called 'The First Folk Review'. It subsequently featured on the compilation album 'Flash Company', recently reissued by Fellside in celebration of their 25th aniversary. |
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24 Apr 04 - 02:19 AM (#1169516) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Melani "Arthur McBride." Oh, and Bob Zentz wrote a really great tune called "Napolean Crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel," but that may not be traditional enough. |
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28 Apr 04 - 03:55 PM (#1173433) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart Just to let folks know, I am following up on these leads... Thanks for your help. Bekki |
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28 Apr 04 - 04:06 PM (#1173442) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: dick greenhaus CAMSCO stands ready to supply all of the above. |
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29 Apr 04 - 02:28 PM (#1174250) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,Chanteyranger The first song on the Peter Bellamy retrospective CD set is "Onboard a '98" which is a Napoleonic era sea song. The whole collection is worth having. |
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29 Apr 04 - 03:12 PM (#1174306) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,petr countess richard: the Hradistan cd I mentioned, see below (it means there was a battle at Slavkov = Austerlitz) you can find track lists and cd at www.gracenote.com just search on the bottom. It is a lovely cd, full of haunting melodies. also if you are further interested in the band the other cd 'Ozveny Duse' =echoes of the spirit.. is even better. (its definitely one of my 10 desert island disks) cheers Peter Hradistan / Byla Vojna U Slavkova Track Title 1. Verbirska 2. Od Prespurka Dazd Ide 3. Jede Synecek Jede 4. Pod Slavkovem 5. V Sirem Poli - Masiruju Na Francuza - Jedna Sestra Bratra Mela 6. Ta Mutenska Silnica 7. Moravo, Moravo 8. Ja, Nechodte Pacholci ... 9. Jarmarecni Pisne 10. Janicek Z Vojny Jede 11. Byla Vojna, Byla |
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29 Apr 04 - 04:24 PM (#1174368) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: HipflaskAndy I've always been led to believe that 'Benjamin Bowmaneer' concerned the Napoleonic Wars. 'The proud tailor rode' etc...(tailors being 'figures of fun' in those days, presumably for sewing while real men did real work - but that's a whole different argument)... The reference 'he spied a flea on his knee' I've been told is a p**s-taking reference to Bonepart's small stature. Anyone out there to correct or confirm? |
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30 Apr 04 - 01:05 AM (#1174652) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: LadyJean French children sing a little march that goes: Napoleon aviat cinque cent soldats Napoleon avait cinque cent soldats Napoleon avait cinque cent soldats Marchents dans un meme tromp. Which translates, allowing for my bad French and worse spelling Napoleon had 500 soldiers marching together in step. There's a second verse about Napoleon having 500 horses, also marching in step. Check with someone who actually speaks French. And forgive my spelling. I can't even spell in English. |
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30 Apr 04 - 10:14 AM (#1174955) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Irish sergeant You might also try French sources for the lyrics to the french songs that would have been sung IS The Death of Benbow from that era? Neil |
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30 Apr 04 - 11:21 AM (#1175013) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: weerover "Wheels of the World" has a verse which goes: Napoleon he was a great spinner, he freedom did always advance O'er deserts and high lofty mountains he marched the brave sons of France Bold Wellington he went a-spinning, his wheels they were at Waterloo And if Grouchy* had never been bribed, the French would have split him in two. *Pronounced in the song as though it were an English name. I believe the historical evidence does not bear out the suggestion of bribery, merely that Grouchy stuck to his orders when another course of action might have been more advantageous. wr |
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30 Apr 04 - 12:23 PM (#1175087) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,gigix 'Done with Bonaparte'. Is Mark Knopfler's; and Niamh Parsons sings a beautiful version over a traditional tune. Luigi |
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30 Apr 04 - 12:45 PM (#1175107) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Lil Dog Turpy I looked at the lyrics here for the Warlike Lads of Russia and added the extra verse that appears on the Nic Jones Compilation CD |
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30 Apr 04 - 02:45 PM (#1175201) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Gervase The New Scorpion Band has made a name for itself with the songs and music of the Napoleonic period. Have a look at their website at p://www.new-scorpion-band.com/ |
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30 Apr 04 - 02:52 PM (#1175205) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: mg I haven't read the previous suggestions but on Scottish Independent Radio internet is Niamh Parsons singing I am done with Bonapart. mg |
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30 Apr 04 - 06:41 PM (#1175367) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Desert Dancer Gervase, the New Scorpion Band "Plains of Waterloo" track list is above, in my 22 April post. :-) ~ Becky in Tucson |
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01 May 04 - 12:39 AM (#1175572) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: LadyJean The Irish song "The Eagle's Whistle" is known as Bonaparte's retreat in the U.S.A. In one of the western states it is known as "Bonaparte's Retreat Over the Rocky Mountains", which is an interesting concept. |
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03 May 04 - 05:10 PM (#1177133) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart Chanteyranger: I have an old Peter Bellamy LP with "On Board a '98"-- I'll have to dust it off. Been years since I listened to it... CDs have really spoiled me (sigh) Dick: I am planning to ask for some of this stuff for my birth day so I will let people know. Bekki |
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03 May 04 - 05:26 PM (#1177150) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: The Borchester Echo Petr, Thanks very much for the information on Hradistan. Bearheart, Wake the Vaulted Echoes |
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03 May 04 - 05:52 PM (#1177171) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Herga Kitty Nelson's Monument, the little Bantam Emperor... |
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03 May 04 - 05:55 PM (#1177173) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Herga Kitty Also, "The Sailor's New Leg" from the Greig Duncan collection, which is definitely about fighting the French, even though Napoleon isn't mentioned by name. |
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05 May 04 - 08:48 PM (#1178987) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: Bearheart C.R.-- I was stunned by the Peter Belamy/Wake the Vaulted Echoes -- loved that rendition of Bright Morning Stars. The only time I've heard it done like that was back in the 70's, an old retired coal miner from West Virginia used to sing it that way (occasionally with some help from his friends). Thank you so much! Bekki |
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05 May 04 - 10:07 PM (#1179051) Subject: RE: Songs of the Napoleonic Wars? From: GUEST,Anne Croucher I believe Admiral Benbow fought the French and died of his wounds in August of 1702, so a century before Napoleon Anne |