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11 Jun 04 - 02:22 PM (#1205268) Subject: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Bev and Jerry There's a growing movement to get our troops out of Iraq now and even the neocons would like to get out ASAP. The problm is that the interim government in Iraq is not capable of defending the country against the terrorists. Here's the solution. Let's give them weapons of mass destruction. Then they can nuke or gas or infect the terrorists whenever they raise their ugly heads and the "coalition forces" can withdraw immediately. And, later on, we can find the WMDs and justify going in there in the first place. Or did we try this once before? Bev and Jerry |
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11 Jun 04 - 02:24 PM (#1205269) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: GUEST Hillarious. Ever thought of becoming a stand-up comic? |
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11 Jun 04 - 02:29 PM (#1205276) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Justa Picker Nah. Food - Air Conditioning & Satellite TV (with HBO) |
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11 Jun 04 - 02:48 PM (#1205298) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Amos Give them air conditioning and they will fall in love with Yanqui Imperialism -- the ideologues won't have anything to say in the face of all those BTUs of heat relief!! A |
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14 Jun 04 - 08:56 PM (#1207340) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Peace Good one, B and J. |
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15 Jun 04 - 09:04 AM (#1207654) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: kendall I see Iraq ending up just like Yugoslavia; broken into pieces without a strong leader like Tito was. |
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12 Oct 04 - 12:32 PM (#1295289) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Amos Unfortunately, Kendall's analsyis is probably close to the truth. A recent survey of the country by returning Iraqi national leaves him feeling he might do best to forget the country. Powell warned Bush before the invasion he would end up owning the place. A. |
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12 Oct 04 - 06:09 PM (#1295573) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Ebbie groan How in the world did we come to the pass where we made the Iraqi's lives immeasurably more difficult. Saddam was bad but under him they at least knew where the boundaries of their lives were. |
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12 Oct 04 - 08:03 PM (#1295656) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: freda underhill and they had electricty and running water. |
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12 Oct 04 - 10:59 PM (#1295799) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Strollin' Johnny Wahts a neocon? |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:01 PM (#1295801) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Peace And only the Kurds got murdered. |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:08 PM (#1295805) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: beardedbruce brucie: kurds = support US = BAD (although God knows why, given our lack of support for them.) Sunni = fight US = GOOD |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:11 PM (#1295807) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Amergin Bring my brother and his comrades home is the only choice. I could care less what they do after. |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:16 PM (#1295813) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Little Hawk "the interim government in Iraq is not capable of defending the country against the terrorists" No, and neither was the previous Iraqi government (under Saddam) capable of defending the country against the terrorists, who practice "Shock and Awe" tactics...who possess vast military forces and fleets of aircraft carriers...who drive Hummers, Abrams tanks, and Black Hawk helicopters and take their orders from Washington. Nope, the terrorists have proven a bit too well-armed and well-funded for any Iraqi government to deal with, and they have created a hell on Earth in that country. It is reminiscent of the situation in Poland in 1939-45. Call Baghdad the New Warsaw. |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:25 PM (#1295825) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Strollin' Johnny Anyone going to tell me? |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:33 PM (#1295831) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: GUEST,Clint Keller I don't know, but beardedbruce, DougR and OldGuy are neocon groupies. clint and tarheel |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:35 PM (#1295833) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: GUEST,Clint Keller woops. that's not "clint and tarheel," that's "bb, DougR et al and tarheel." clint |
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12 Oct 04 - 11:35 PM (#1295835) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Little Hawk They're people who are adherents to a certain political-social philosophy which they refer to as "conservative" (it isn't conservative at all), but I'm damned if I'm going to bother trying to explain it tonight...why not just do a Google search for a definition of it? |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:31 AM (#1295854) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: beardedbruce Actually, I consider myself one of the Radical Middle- but around here anyone who actually looks at both sides of the question is derided as whatever the person posting dislikes the most. As I have stated before, there is a lot that the Bush administration does that I do not approve of- but the liberals have offered nothing in terms of policy that IMO would make me feel safe. link |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:50 AM (#1295863) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Bev and Jerry neocon Bev and Jerry |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:54 AM (#1295864) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: CarolC Neocons They're basically people who call themselves "Conservative" but have abandoned most of the basic, traditional principles of conservatism, such as fiscal responsibility and isolationism, and have only global dominence as their basic agenda and goal. Members of the current administration who are Neocons include Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Douglas Feith. Of those people, Dick Cheney is the only elected official. The rest are appointees. |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:56 AM (#1295865) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: CarolC Cross posted with Bev and Jerry. |
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13 Oct 04 - 09:25 AM (#1296112) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Strollin' Johnny Little Hawk - I thought that's what the 'Cat was for, so people like me, who are awake at 3 a.m. through work-related insomnia, can talk to other 'Catters, socialise and hopefully improve their knowledge. I COULD google, but it's not so much fun as conversing with a real person. Sorry if I got that wrong! :0) |
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13 Oct 04 - 11:49 AM (#1296228) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: CarolC Ironically, the more havoc the Neocons create in the world (and they've been doing it for a while now, but not quite as openly as they have been lately), the more of a traditional "Conservative" I become. I'm starting to think isolationism, at least on the part of the US, may be a good thing. Seems like most of the time, when we get involved with "helping" other countries, we just end up making things much, much worse. |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:11 PM (#1296238) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Bill D "...when we get involved with "helping" other countries..." well, the Berlin airlift and the Marshall Plan and the Peace Corps and billions of aid (mostly unrepaid) to various countries in the last 50 years were mostly 'help', but that's not exactly the same as invading a country and increasing internal strife 'for its own good', hmmm? |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:18 PM (#1296242) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Amos We don't usually have to invade them first to help. |
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13 Oct 04 - 12:26 PM (#1296247) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: CarolC To be fair though, Bill, a lot of that "aid" was either military aid (which hasn't always been used in the best interests of ordinary citizens of whatever country we gave it to), or was used to prop up dictatorial client regimes. Maybe a more honest term to use than "aid" would be "leverage". |
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13 Oct 04 - 06:49 PM (#1296451) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Little Hawk Agreed, Strollin', but I was too tired and threadbare at that point to bother giving you the definition. Fortunately, CarolC stepped into the breach and did it for me. |
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13 Oct 04 - 08:16 PM (#1296494) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: beardedbruce brucie: link |
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13 Oct 04 - 08:38 PM (#1296507) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Big Al Whittle I think England had its neocon phase in the Thatcher era. Its a bit like a cocaine high - everything absolutely dreadful looks like an exciting challenge. At any rate while the country is in the grip of it - they won't see any alternatives to acting like rude arrogant warmongering morons. You're only four years into it - if your experience is anything like ours you have another five or six to go. They will keep promising the green shoots of recovery - but it never comes cos they spend all the wealth of the country on mad right wing theories and schemes. In England it was a national curriculum in schools(with all kids doing the same whatever level of ability)and they wanted all doctors to become some shopkeeper/businessmen - it was all crap - no teachers or doctors wanted it - just a few right wing ideologues. Another strange by product of it - after years of causing massive unemployment - young people growing up without jobs and very disillusioned. they claim that everything the next lot achieve - by doing the exact opposite is all on account of their foresight. Be ready for that one. |
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13 Oct 04 - 10:04 PM (#1296570) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Little Hawk Well, if you burned a city down you could later claim credit for inspiring all that new construction, right? |
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14 Oct 04 - 05:25 AM (#1296736) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: GUEST,Boab We know all about your "link" brucie. In all likelihood yon is Saddam's work. But didn't we all go to war because of buried weapons of mass destruction---nothing as trivial as murdered children? Or are you one of those who approve of Mr Tony Blair's stout declaration that he "apologises for misconstrueing intelligence reports' , but will "NOT apologise for getting rid of Saddam"---something for which an apology wasn't even once requested? They make me even sicker than Saddam does; they're reckoned to be on OUR side, representing US!! May the plagues of Hell be on all their houses... |
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14 Oct 04 - 09:13 AM (#1296851) Subject: RE: BS: The Iraq Solution From: Strollin' Johnny hey LH, you were tired? How tired do you think I was - it was 3 am fer Gawdsake! I had matchsticks propping me eyelids open! :0) Thanks for the explanation though. And thanks CarolC too. :0) |