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01 Jul 04 - 09:45 PM (#1218002) Subject: Whos the best song writer? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I thhink its Eric Bogle, or Ricghard Tohmson, waht you think? |
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01 Jul 04 - 10:06 PM (#1218011) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Joe Offer "Traditional" always wins the prize, if I'm the judge. Otherwise, Barry Manilow. -Joe Offer- Did I say Barry Manilow? Actually, if I were honest, I'd probably say Cole Porter or the Gershwins. |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:02 PM (#1218029) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bert ME of course! |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:03 PM (#1218030) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bert Of course Amos is better than I am but just don't tell anyone. |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:08 PM (#1218034) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Amos I dunno -- I've had a few Challenges where I was openly passed by with my doors rattling. But once you enter the range of Ep[titude I am of a mind that this is not a wise or enlightening question. There are a dozen really excellent songwriters on this site, and probably a hundred who haven't dropped by, just in the folk and folkoid categoriew! A |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:08 PM (#1218035) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST it ain't no contest! what artist has had more songs he wrote recorded by more artists - in nearly every country in the world? what artist has had more artists have hits of his songs than any other artist in the world? HANK WILLIAMS |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:28 PM (#1218047) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Amergin that Nathan Tompkins guy is the best... |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:31 PM (#1218048) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: mack/misophist Abner Triplenight. |
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01 Jul 04 - 11:39 PM (#1218049) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: DonMeixner Can't say, but if you ask me who breathes in and out the best I'd say Sandra Bullock every time. Don |
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02 Jul 04 - 02:12 AM (#1218090) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Gurney 'Best' is hard! 'Favourite' is easy, the late Jake Thackray. |
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02 Jul 04 - 03:41 AM (#1218111) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,weerover Robert Burns wr. |
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02 Jul 04 - 03:52 AM (#1218115) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: el ted me. no contest. |
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02 Jul 04 - 05:56 AM (#1218192) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Jerry Rasmussen Shades of elementary school, when I could tell you who was my "First-best", "Second best" and "Third best friend." So, who is best, Cole Porter (with a nod to Joe Offer) or Bob Dylan? Which is the cutest animal, a kitten or an orangutan? "Best" is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too subjective, and impossible. I go with Gurney. Favorite is a better adjective. Jerry |
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02 Jul 04 - 07:16 AM (#1218232) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Rasener Dave Evardson who is appearing at Market Rasen Folk Club tonight with his missus Julie. 'Lincolnshire Family' was written by Dave which is based on a Latvian refugee's view of starting a new life in Lincolnshire in the late 1800s. It won first prize in the 2002 BBC Radio Lincolnshire "Write a Song for Lincolnshire" contest. Much of their material is derived from the lives and work of people they have known who earned their living from fishing and its related trades. Dave's own songs have been taken up and recorded by well-known singers such as Vin Garbutt "The Forty Thieves" and Johnny Collins "The North Wall". Loncolnshire singers John Conolly, Bill Whaley and Dave Fletcher also have Dave's songs in their repertoires. |
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02 Jul 04 - 07:38 AM (#1218244) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,GUESTBAILLIE Tom Bliss, listen to his song 'The Violin' and weep... |
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02 Jul 04 - 07:52 AM (#1218249) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: VIN I reckon one of the best over the years must be Roy Harper tho he probably won't get the due recognition 'til he's long gone, bit like Nick Drake and others. |
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02 Jul 04 - 07:57 AM (#1218251) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bert Hmmm, GUEST of 3:41 has a point. It's hard to beat Ol Hank. But there's other good uns out there. Willie Nelson, Gordon Lightfoot, Woody Guthrie, Ewan McColl, Eric Bogle. And there's a hell of a lot of good songs that go unnoticed on the Mudcat challenge site. |
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02 Jul 04 - 08:04 AM (#1218253) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST Jim White...the best unknown songwriter alive and working today. Honorable mention: John Prine |
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02 Jul 04 - 08:27 AM (#1218262) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: kendall Define "Best". |
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02 Jul 04 - 08:31 AM (#1218265) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: el ted nope... you are all wrong, it's me. |
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02 Jul 04 - 08:37 AM (#1218272) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST what genre? what era? lyrics or melody? arrangement? what time of day? what setting? *so* subjective |
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02 Jul 04 - 08:59 AM (#1218284) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST Sir P.Macca |
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02 Jul 04 - 09:09 AM (#1218288) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST 1 : excelling all others ex. the best student 2 : most productive of good or of advantage, utility, or satisfaction ex. what is the best thing to do From Merriam Webster's online dictionary |
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02 Jul 04 - 10:34 AM (#1218357) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Once Famous If "best" is because the songs capture the spirit of the human experience, have existed for multi-generations and held up well (timeless), and can be sung and interpretated well by others than the songwriter himself, than Hank Williams stands at the top. |
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02 Jul 04 - 10:48 AM (#1218369) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Maryrrf Glad to see Hank Williams mentioned here. It's impossible to have any one answer to a question like that, but every time I listen to Hank I'm overwhelmed by his genius. I think Woody Guthrie is in the running, too. |
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02 Jul 04 - 10:59 AM (#1218379) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Hand-Pulled Boy Does it include instrumentals? If not then it has to be anything by Hull's own 'Crack Town'. |
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02 Jul 04 - 11:11 AM (#1218387) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: breezy someone who communicates and is at ease with expressing themselves in words and has a masterful grasp of the language. there are numerous names that come into mind. so here are a few Stan Rogers Canada Marcus Turner New Zealand Jez Lowe England George Papavgeris Greece There are others that are yet to gain wider acclaim like Mike Deavin, Ben Campbell who sets Graham Searle's words to music Mick Ryan Harvey Andrews Vin Garbutt But there are some singers that write shite and think they are good Its when other performers adopt your songs then you know that you've done something well. Dan Mckinnon Canada Tommy Sands Ireland Robb Johnson Hounslow JEREMY TAYLOR is high on my list How come most have appeared at the St Albans folk-song club? fridays at the Duke of Marlborough, Steve Tilston Ralph whatsisname Cyril Tawney |
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02 Jul 04 - 11:20 AM (#1218391) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Strollin' Johnny GUEST: GUESTBAILLIE - "Tom Bliss, listen to his song 'The Violin' and weep... " Bet you're a fifty-something female......... (ROFL) J :0) |
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02 Jul 04 - 11:24 AM (#1218394) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: freda underhill Paul Spencer and John Warner are both outstanding song writers (+ both Australian) |
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02 Jul 04 - 11:48 AM (#1218408) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Little Hawk It's el ted, of course... :-) Runners-up: Bob Dylan, Hank Williams, Woody Guthrie, Joni Mitchell, Al Stewart, Gordon Lightfoot, Willie Nelson, Leonard Cohen, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Amos, and me. |
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02 Jul 04 - 11:55 AM (#1218414) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: freda underhill Joni Mitchell, Judy Small. |
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02 Jul 04 - 12:16 PM (#1218435) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: pdq Some candidates from the last forty years: Paul McCartney Shel Silverstein Gordon Lightfoot Bob Dylan Hon. mention: Ian Tyson Steve Goodman |
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02 Jul 04 - 12:24 PM (#1218443) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: freda underhill John Lennon. |
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02 Jul 04 - 12:51 PM (#1218458) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: PoppaGator Can't argue about Hank, Dylan, Cole Porter, Gershwin, et al. With so many different genres, styles, etc., there can surely be no one "best" songwriter. However: Let me add a mention of a favorite contemporary, Lucinda Williams. |
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02 Jul 04 - 12:53 PM (#1218460) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bill D oh my goodness gracious sakes to mercy! Such a list...and no one got the right answer! |
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02 Jul 04 - 01:22 PM (#1218482) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Amergin Bill....if you would look at my earlier post you would have seen that i do in fact have the correct answer... ;) |
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02 Jul 04 - 02:42 PM (#1218525) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Padre Blind Alfred Reed has to be included if only for "Why Do You Bob Your Hair, Girls?" |
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02 Jul 04 - 02:47 PM (#1218527) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Clinton Hammond No such animal |
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02 Jul 04 - 06:14 PM (#1218639) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Little Hawk Let me add Mary Chapin Carpenter to the list. And for some songs that aren't like anyone else's at all: Tanita Tikaram. She recorded several great albums in the 90's. She has a lyrical approach that is quite unusual and quite good. |
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02 Jul 04 - 07:13 PM (#1218673) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: akenaton Davie Robertson Rab Noakes...And (sorry el Ted)..Rufus Wainwright,just started listening to his music and although he's a poove,he's bloody brilliant ...Ake |
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02 Jul 04 - 07:50 PM (#1218684) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Augie Michael (Peter) Smith Steve Goodman Janis Ian |
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02 Jul 04 - 10:49 PM (#1218754) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: freightdawg Hate to rain on the Hank Williams parade, and maybe I'm just out of it, but what is so enduring about Hank Williams? I actually chuckled out loud when I read the first comment from guest, but then others chimed in. I consider myself to be somewhat of an old classic country and western music afficianado, but beyone "Your Cheatin Heart" and "Hey Good Lookin" I cannot think of any Hank Williams songs, and I really don't think either one of those two was particularly good. I am always up to be educated, so please, enlighten me. I have to agree with the majority here, in addition to "best" what is meant by "song writer." Is it in reference to lyrics, the poetry and influence of the song, or the way the lyrics and tune are married together? I'd like to see the field narrowed just a little bit before I submitted my ideas. I like many of the names listed, but have a couple that have not been mentioned. Freightdawg |
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02 Jul 04 - 10:58 PM (#1218758) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bugsy No one is "Best", they're all just "Different" CHeers Bugsy |
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02 Jul 04 - 11:52 PM (#1218768) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,DaveC Tom Lehrer. |
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03 Jul 04 - 03:08 AM (#1218796) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Boab Breezy's list gets my vote. Add Burns, Thomas Moore, Eric Bogle and you have a world beating bunch--hard to pick the top notcher, though. |
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03 Jul 04 - 03:33 AM (#1218801) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: alanabit Switch off your radios and televisions and swap a few tapes and CDs with Mudcatters and you will hear more good songs than you have heard in years. |
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03 Jul 04 - 03:36 AM (#1218804) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: freda underhill Bill D - out with it. |
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03 Jul 04 - 04:45 AM (#1218816) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Penguin Egg Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Hammerstein and Rogers Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, Issac Hayes Bob Dylan, Ray Davies, Richards and Jagger ...and let us not forget the prolific trad. |
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03 Jul 04 - 09:57 AM (#1218878) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Warren Zevon. |
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03 Jul 04 - 10:00 AM (#1218879) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: s6k GAH, mccartney wasnt as good as lennon. bob dylan leonard cohen john lennon stevie wonder joan baez joni mitchell |
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03 Jul 04 - 04:57 PM (#1219012) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Little Robyn I guess Jeremy Taylor is my favourite but Paul Metsers has written some beauties too - Farewell to the gold for example. |
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03 Jul 04 - 04:57 PM (#1219013) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,GUEST james keelaghan |
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03 Jul 04 - 06:41 PM (#1219047) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Tattie Bogle Don't see Allan Taylor on the list yet, certainly a contender, as is Robin Laing. |
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03 Jul 04 - 07:14 PM (#1219050) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,patriot1314 I have to agree with those who said Robert Burns, but I can't believe Jimmy McCarthy hasn't been mentioned yet |
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03 Jul 04 - 07:28 PM (#1219055) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bill D well, freda, the right answer is, that there IS no one right answer....but any list without Craig Johnson on it is incomplete...(Stick the name in the search box) |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:18 PM (#1219069) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bobert 10th best--- Mace Cohn 9th best---- Robert Johnson 8th best---- Hank Williams 7th best---- John Lennon 6th best---- Patti Griffin 5th best---- Mark Germino 4th best---- Steve Earle 3rd best---- John Prine 2nd best---- Paul Siebel....... Best---- Bob Dylan Thats my take on it... Bobert |
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03 Jul 04 - 08:41 PM (#1219077) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bill D ahhh, Bobert!...(and Little Hawk, too).... such a BIG difference between 'best' and 'most well-known writer who influenced YOUR generation and hit it big with a couple of well-placed poems chanted in nasal tones to a clunky guitar'.....but far be it from ME to critique the taste of others...*sly grin* |
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03 Jul 04 - 09:40 PM (#1219087) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST Another great thread. |
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03 Jul 04 - 10:08 PM (#1219089) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: kendall Way too subjective |
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04 Jul 04 - 12:12 AM (#1219112) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Steve Latimer Dylan is the best that I have ever heard. Willie Nelson, Hank Williams, The Glimmer Twins, Lennon & McCartney (let's not forget George Harrison's contributions) have all been mentioned here but I would include them on my list. Let's not forget the other Willie, Willie Dixon who wrote so many of the Chicago Blues classics that were recorded by Muddy, Howlin Wolf, Little Walter etc. Robert Johnson seems to be absent from this list. I'm surprised that Bill Monroe hasn't been mentioned yet. Carter and Ralph Stanley wrote some beauties. |
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04 Jul 04 - 02:39 AM (#1219137) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Ingrid Frances Stark Gilbert and Sullivan. I'm pretty sure Sullivan wrote the lyrics and Gilbert did the score. |
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04 Jul 04 - 02:56 PM (#1219361) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Cats Jon Heslop really has to be up there as well. He writes some stunning songs.. Last Fisherman, Old Soldiers, Lifeboat Prayer, Cheap Boats, and we keep finding songs of his labelled as Trad (who is also a great writer.) Where there is a song session it's a good bet you'll hear a Heslop song. |
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04 Jul 04 - 03:44 PM (#1219390) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Tattie Bogle No, Ingrid, Gilbert did the lyrics and Sullivan did the music: he did some other great stuff without Gilbert too! |
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04 Jul 04 - 05:19 PM (#1219432) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Beer Bob Dylan Kris Kristofferson John Prine Gordon Lightfoot Hank Williams |
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04 Jul 04 - 08:30 PM (#1219493) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: freightdawg Okay, ready to add my 2 cents: Can't argue with McCartney, Lennon, et. al. I don't like some of their music, but you cannot argue that the Beatles will go down in history for, among all the other things, great lyrics. And I was going to add Gilbert and Sullivan, thanks for sorting out who did the lyrics and who did the score. A couple of other names that I do not immediately remember as being listed: Roy Orbison and Paul Simon. The sheer volume of Simon's work is amazing. A couple of lesser lights, although no less in quality, would be Harold and Don Reid and Jimmy Fortune of the Statler Brothers. For years the SB's virtually owned the country music awards as the best group, and one of their songs was usually up for best song. Jimmy Fortune has written some of the most beautiful love songs ever recorded. And last, and tied at number one on my list (with several others), is John Denver. To make #1 on my list the writer would have to have a large volume (no one hit wonders), have demonstrated an ability to handle different subject matters, be able to cross, at least marginally, some "genre" lines, and be able to speak to many different people on different levels. Hence, McCartney and Simon, but also Dylan, and Lightfoot. Denver is so often "dissed" because people only remember "Rocky Mountain High" or "Take Me Home Country Roads." It is fascinating to see how Denver's work changed through the years, just as his life changed and his emphasis changed. Denver could work with several different styles, although the one he prefered, and the one he was best at, was what he referred to as "Western Songs," the songs that were inspired by and came from a love for, the American west. (P.S. Can't someone tell me why Hank Williams keeps showing up? I'm not trying to start a fight, but I would like someone to share a "why.") Freightdawg |
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04 Jul 04 - 08:36 PM (#1219498) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST Dr Bob Dylan. Hank Williams keeps showing up because he has to, not because he deserves to. |
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04 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM (#1219511) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST Wow There is an astounting amount of crap listed in this thread |
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05 Jul 04 - 07:12 PM (#1219545) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Susanne (skw) There is an astounding number of great songwriters mentioned in this thread (too few of them female!), but still no one has seen fit to refer to Brian McNeill who must be one of the most consistently quality songwriters, unlike e.g. Eric Bogle, whose output sprinkles some pretty dire lyrics among the greats! |
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05 Jul 04 - 07:25 PM (#1219549) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: MichaelM The best songwriter is Time. |
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05 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM (#1219569) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bill D it sure upsets me to have to agree with anonymous 'guest', but this one time, I will. (even though it can't spell.."astounting amount of crap") Too many folks are confusing 'famous' (or infamous) and 'well-promoted' with 'good'...In fact, some of those mentioned HAVE written 'some' pretty good things, but c'mon... ...and no one has even mentioned Dave Goulder or Graeme Miles or Gordon Bok or.....27 others. |
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05 Jul 04 - 09:20 PM (#1219612) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Ebbie And William Shatner- surely he writes songs? |
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05 Jul 04 - 09:28 PM (#1219619) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bill D no, but he (Shatner) has murdered several songs. Between him and Leonard Nimoy, they have "gone where no singer has gone before". |
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05 Jul 04 - 10:53 PM (#1219663) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bo Vandenberg The most recent one and the oldest one still enjoyed. |
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06 Jul 04 - 12:09 AM (#1219700) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: BO in KY Charles Wesley, followed closely by Isaac Watts.... in more recent centuries, Bill Staines has written some classic stuff, and a tip of the cap to Harry Chapin BO |
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06 Jul 04 - 12:13 AM (#1219701) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Amos If we're gonna get serious, now, some of Christine Lavin's certainly qualify her. And I second some of those votes for Prine. But you aren't going to find "a" best. A |
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06 Jul 04 - 02:44 AM (#1219739) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Day_Tripper I have to vote forMcCartney/Lennon. A large portion of their music is almost genius. |
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06 Jul 04 - 06:01 AM (#1219807) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Brian Hoskin I don't believe there's a best either, but whilst we're creating a list I notice that no one's mentioned Rory McLeod. |
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06 Jul 04 - 07:10 AM (#1219829) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: burntstump Don't forget GUY CLARK! |
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06 Jul 04 - 07:46 AM (#1219844) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Strollin' Johnny The 'best' songwriter is the one who floats yer personal boat. Mine are:- 1) His Majesty Stan Rogers 2) Archie Fisher 3) Maggie Holland (she's a female BTW!) :0) 4) Allan Taylor 5) Sally Barker (ex-poozies and another female) :0) 6) Kylie and Emma Bunton (they don't write songs but they do float my boat) :0) Johnny :0) |
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06 Jul 04 - 08:20 AM (#1219869) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Fibula Mattock Issac McKittery. And it's that time of year again! |
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06 Jul 04 - 08:33 AM (#1219882) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,An English Patriot Tony Hatch |
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06 Jul 04 - 12:35 PM (#1220040) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Chris Green If he'd got around to setting anything to music it'd be William McGonagall. Or do I mean Robert Burns? I always get the two confused! |
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06 Jul 04 - 05:46 PM (#1220186) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Cornflake Townes Van Zandt. |
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06 Jul 04 - 07:06 PM (#1220242) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Wilbur Forthright I am the best song writer. I have never released an official recording, and almost no one has ever heard of me, but I am the best. I do not plan to ever release a commercial recording, because I detest commerciality. Still, I am the best. Now this should be very pleasing to those among you who have posted in OUTRAGE over various famous people, like Bob Dylan or Hank Williams whom others have dared to praise as great songwriters. Yes, you can rest assured that the well known singers in the music business do not in any way approach the abilities of someone like myself, someone the music industry has never seen fit to promote in any way whatsoever. In fact, if you got to know my unrecorded and unreleased music you would soon glow with the inner awareness that only YOU and a CHOSEN FEW in the great, stupid crush of humanity could possibly be cool enough to even know about, let alone appreciate, my greatness. You would feel very special...like you do now...but even more so. But it would get out of hand if too many people got to know about me. Then I'd become "popular" (shudder!). I would be seen as a "sellout" or a "phony" or a "hack", like Hank Williams, Bob Dylan, Gordon Lightfoot, and all those other sellouts. So be glad that I have remained obscure and given the world almost nothing, despite my great potential. I'm a lot like you. Love me. - Wilbur Forthright, the world's greatest songwriter |
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06 Jul 04 - 07:16 PM (#1220246) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Amos Oh, Little Hawk, stop acting like Bearded Bruce. A |
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06 Jul 04 - 07:25 PM (#1220249) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Little Hawk You're just jealous, cos you never even heard of Wilbur Forthright. :-) I pity you. (heh!) |
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06 Jul 04 - 08:24 PM (#1220283) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Puffenkinty Tom Paxton! |
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06 Jul 04 - 08:25 PM (#1220284) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: GUEST,Margret RoadKnight Best? always/too subjective, but not previously mentioned and certainly amongst my favourites - Oscar Brown Jr Mose Allison Malvina Reynolds Johnny Mercer and the brilliant John Shortis (latter Australian - I've recorded dozens of his songs) |
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07 Jul 04 - 01:39 AM (#1220410) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Shula I think Joe Offer is right to revise his choice. Cole Porter has my vote, too. To nit-pick a bit, shouldn't this thread be called "favourite" song writer, rather than "best." The former cannot be "wrong;" the latter can never be proved "right." Hello, again! |
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07 Jul 04 - 09:02 AM (#1220591) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Bill D Shula!!! {{{big hug)))....hello, you! |
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07 Jul 04 - 05:04 PM (#1220937) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: jack halyard As a songwriter about whom some rather excessively nice things have been said, I'm not keen on hyperbole. personally, the last song of Dylan's I liked was "the times they are a changing" but there's a large number of people who will disagree with me. The "best" must be subjective. As writers I put people such as Ewan McColl, Stan Rogers, and Cyril Tawney high on my list of role models, but I don't have a "best". Has anybody mentioned Australia's John Dengate? His song "Carlingford" still brings me close to tears after about fifteen years of singing it and his poem "The Lanes of Wooloomooloo" is up alongside Kipling in its portrayal of the victims of war. Folk music, to me is not about competition, it's about singing and the "Best" music to me is that made by forty or so voices making a great chorus work hard. Jack Halyard |
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08 Jul 04 - 04:04 AM (#1221163) Subject: RE: Whos the best song writer? From: Rain Dog Who's the 'best' song writer ? Step right up.............Mr Tom Waits |
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08 Jul 04 - 06:52 AM (#1221221) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Janice in NJ Al Gore. He wrote Barbara Allen right after he invented the Internet. By today's Republican standards, the Democratic lies of Al Gore and Bill "I never had sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" Clinton seem so quaint, almost charming. |
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08 Jul 04 - 07:42 AM (#1221247) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Shula Dear Janice in NJ, Bit of a cheap shot, that. Got an alternative choice on topic? Shula |
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08 Jul 04 - 09:33 AM (#1221329) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Hawker Have we mentioned Keith Marsden or John Connolly? Cheers, Lucy |
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08 Jul 04 - 10:13 AM (#1221359) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: matai Patti Smith Heather Nova Joni Mitchell Joan Baez Suzanne Vega Lucinda Williams Tanita Tikaram Joan Armatrading Toni Childs Carole King Janis Ian Kathryn Tait Indigo Girls Lorina Harding Dolly Parton Kate Wolf Judy Small India Arie Michelle Shocked Tracy Chapman Bonnie Rait Delores O'Riordan etc,etc,etc, |
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08 Jul 04 - 12:54 PM (#1221476) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Little Hawk I agree with many of your choices, Matai, but...not a single male songwriter on your entire list???? I thought that only some males suffered from this kind of gender-exclusive listening pattern, but I guess I was wrong. :-) Seriously. I once asked several male friends to list the "ten greatest" songwriters they could think of between 1960 and 1980. Not one of them had any females on the list except me...and I'm male. I had 2 females on my list. If it was after 1980 I would've have more of them. And how about Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter and Tish Hinojosa? |
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08 Jul 04 - 06:00 PM (#1221705) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,plum The problem with Dylan is that a lot of his melodies aren't great. Some are good, like all along the watchtower which is very nice and moody. And undoubtedly he's one of the best lyricists. But surely good songwriting is about more than good lyrics, and I don't really know if we can call Dylan the best songwriter (and this is coming from a Dylan fan), when some of his tunes are so dire. He can't even get a good one when he steals it from someone else, eg blowin' in the wind. And having seen him live last month, every song had the same tune of one note repeated with the last syllable going up a few notes. And I know thats to do with performing and not songwriting, but I consider good songs to have a great melody, eg waterloo sunset, great delivery, eg northwest passage, and great lyrics too. And as far as I see it, a lot of Bob's songs only fall into the last category, so I don't think we can really call him the best songwriter. Sorry Bob. |
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09 Jul 04 - 09:01 AM (#1222141) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: el ted You are all wrong, it's me. |
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09 Jul 04 - 09:01 AM (#1222142) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: el ted oh, 100 by the way. |
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09 Jul 04 - 02:17 PM (#1222442) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Little Hawk I don't agree regarding the Dylan melodies. Many fine melodies there. That doesn't mean, however, that you will hear him sing those melodies in concert! Specially not nowadays, with his voice 3/4 gone. To hear the melodies, listen to the original recordings or listen to other singers doing the same songs...as in the case of Joan Baez's collection of Dylan tunes called "Any Day Now". All kinds of great melodies there. |
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09 Jul 04 - 02:35 PM (#1222456) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Little Hawk Still, his melodies can't match those of el ted. |
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09 Jul 04 - 08:24 PM (#1222649) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,IMHO Farewell, Angelina Love is Just a Four-letter Word Tamborine Man Every Grain of Sand Love Minus Zero, No Limit Tomorrow is a Long Time Like a Rolling Stone Just Like a Woman I suppose I could consult some CD covers for more titles, but the above demonstrate the man's ability to marry words and melody. |
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10 Jul 04 - 04:24 AM (#1222760) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: AllanW Ray Davies. Hey, I'm English, he writes about home. |
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10 Jul 04 - 05:07 AM (#1222774) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: del boy its got to be Neil Young so meany songs over the years BEST NEW SONG WRITER RYAN ADAMS |
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14 Jul 04 - 04:13 AM (#1225144) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST Syd Barrett and Bob Dylan and me |
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14 Jul 04 - 11:15 PM (#1225744) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo I'd have to agree with a number of people above (particularly those that said there's no one "best song writer"; depends on my mood and what genre I'm looking for as to who is currently my favourite). But there's one who hasn't been mentioned above, who, if you look at the acclaim they get through other folk performers covering their songs (not counting such pop artists as the Beatles and Dylan), should by all rights be on the list up there, along with Seeger, McColl, and Malvina Reynolds: Bruce "Utah" Phillips Just MHO. Cheers, |
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15 Jul 04 - 12:45 AM (#1225780) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,woodsie Good to see Syd Barrett and Roy Harper get a mention in this thread! Bob Dylan must go down in history as being one of the last century's finest writers of pop/folk songs. Garcia/Hunter (Grateful Dead) wrote some pretty good folky/americana stuff. Phil Ochs wrote some good (non protest) songs - "Changes" springs to mind. Ray Davies was/is a genius. But there again that's just my taste - and that's constantly changing - Oh yeah don't forget Jack Bruce/Pete Brown and all those great Cream songs. |
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15 Jul 04 - 03:41 PM (#1226353) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST Best is impossible - everyone's tastes vary. Though there are some great ones in the thread I am surprised John Stewart is not there - maybe his early association with the Kingston Trio is too much for some traditionalists but for me [and for my American friends] he is the one who hits the right spot. Eric |
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15 Jul 04 - 04:11 PM (#1226381) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,scouse No one's mentioned John Gorka.......... so I will. Beauuuuuuutiful lyrics and what a voice.. as aye, phil |
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01 Aug 04 - 08:40 PM (#1238605) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,Ira Kate Wolf. She combines great warmth and intelligence in a very sincere and personal way. |
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05 Sep 04 - 09:31 PM (#1264993) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,Guest - Ri Ra Haven't any of you heard of TOM RUSSELL? IMO Tom Russell is the best singer/songwriter alive and on tour today. Do yourselves a favor - check out his website and go hear him. He has toured with guitar wizard Andrew Hardin for several years. |
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05 Sep 04 - 10:15 PM (#1265009) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Little Hawk Tom Russel is indeed a great songwriter, and deserves mention here. My vote is still for Bob Dylan, though. |
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05 Sep 04 - 10:19 PM (#1265012) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Peace What he said. |
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05 Sep 04 - 10:23 PM (#1265014) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: lucky_p I think it has to be Bob Dylan. He is the Picasso of music -- he took all of it in an entirely new direction that, to me, will never be repeated. |
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24 Sep 04 - 02:59 PM (#1280213) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: GUEST,junior I think that Kanye West is the best song writer. |
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24 Sep 04 - 06:20 PM (#1280360) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Lonesome EJ Van Morrison Steve Earle Bob Dylan Townes Van Zandt Johnny Mercer Merle Haggard Joni Mitchell Burt Bacharach Woody Guthrie George Gershwin |
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24 Sep 04 - 06:48 PM (#1280372) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: s6k no one will beat Bob Dylan. but also people to note are John Lennon, Leonard Cohen, Roger Waters |
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24 Sep 04 - 11:44 PM (#1280539) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: sharyn Best? Best? I always get excited when I hear there is a new release by Richard Thompson, Chris Smither, Carol Denney, Lyle Lovett, Joni Mitchell, Tracy Chapman. And I think Dylan is a brilliant songwriter -- not all the time, but no one is brilliant all the time. Leonard Cohen is quite good, and is always releasing new versions of things (he rewrites obsessively). Lucinda Williams, Iris DeMent, Laurie Lewis. Kate Rusby sometimes does brilliant rewrites and sometimes writes total crap, in my opinion. There are a lot of very good songwriters in the world and a lot of very bad ones, too. Oh yeah, and someone should have mentioned Jean Ritchie by now and Debbie McClatchy -- sometimes one song is all it takes. |
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25 Sep 04 - 05:15 AM (#1280619) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: s6k tracy chapman, richard thompson, i should have mentioned these, there are quite a few greats, a lot of goods, and a lot of bads too |
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26 Sep 04 - 05:03 AM (#1281263) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: Hand-Pulled Boy Richard Thompson. |
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26 Sep 04 - 05:33 AM (#1281279) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: s6k westlife |
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26 Sep 04 - 07:00 AM (#1281306) Subject: RE: Who's the best song writer? From: woodsie Dave Kenningham - hands down!!! |
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26 Sep 04 - 09:58 AM (#1281381) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: The Fooles Troupe The one with the most Industry Awards! "He who dies with the most toys wins!" |
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26 Sep 04 - 03:02 PM (#1281586) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Melani Eric Bogle, Stan Rogers, Bob Franke, followed by Gordon Bok. My personal opinion, not to be regarded as fact unless you happen to agree. |
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26 Sep 04 - 03:20 PM (#1281595) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Eye Lander Mike Harding has written some wonderful songs |
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26 Sep 04 - 03:21 PM (#1281596) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Eye Lander not saying he's the best, but really like his stuff |
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26 Sep 04 - 07:42 PM (#1281808) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: pdq To my Honorable Mentions let's add: Mike Cross Guy Clark Robert Earl Keen, Jr. |
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26 Sep 04 - 07:49 PM (#1281812) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST Can't believe I've wasted five minutes of my life reading this and another 30 seconds posting. |
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26 Sep 04 - 11:05 PM (#1281921) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Little Hawk Yeah. How are you EVER going to get that 30 seconds back? Maybe you should consider suing for damages. |
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27 Sep 04 - 02:01 AM (#1281990) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Dallas Guest Ellis Paul. |
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27 Sep 04 - 12:56 PM (#1282378) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Gene Burton In all likelihood, the best songwriter is some guy unheard-of outside his home town, whose music none of us will ever get to hear. Sorry if this sounds unduly pessimistic, but it's a fact that (due to the vagaries of chance, luck and capitalism) many of the best songs never even get recorded, let alone commercially released. That said, of all the songwriters who've had the good fortune to be widely heard of; these are in my view deserving of particular attention:- Bob Dylan Leadbelly Bert Jansch Richard Thompson Cyril Tawney Bill Monroe Morrissey (yeah, seriously!) Nick Drake Jackson C. Frank |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:30 AM (#1282960) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,nemter Some great songwriters that I don't think have been mentioned yet: Richard Shindell Dave Carter Greg Trooper Leon Rosselson Buddy and Julie Miller David Francey |
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28 Sep 04 - 05:35 AM (#1282963) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Big Al Whittle I sing for old folks most days and not many of those songs would be known by them - a few Hank Williams maybe, one or two Beatles. As you say Gershwin and Cole Porter haxve written some quite popular ones. I suspect most people know a few Les Reed and Harlan Howard songs without realising it. Harry Warren though scores as does Jerome Kern. Top though, I'd place the lyricist Dorothy Field. I ain't going to tell you. You check her out - don't worry - you know ALL her songs! Call yourself a feminist and you don't know about Dorothy - that lady with the long list of women writers. |
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28 Sep 04 - 08:11 AM (#1283065) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST gershwin, Irving Berlin,Gershwin, Lennon McCartney, Dylan, Cohen, Hank Williams, Goffin King, Bruce Cockburn..........on and on Gershwin. |
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28 Sep 04 - 08:29 AM (#1283077) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST Don"t Forget Gordon Lightfoot, Laura Smith,Hank Snow, Wilf Carter,Gene Maclellan, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell. Ian Tyson, Leonard Cohen,Sylvia Tyson, Stan Rogers,K D Lang,Bruce Guthro, all from the great whire North..and oh yea..Paul Anka |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:48 AM (#1283228) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: 14fret No such thing but.... of the living.... Randy Newman takes some beating. |
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24 Oct 04 - 01:35 PM (#1305698) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: pdq Hank Williams get nominated several times on this thread. Here is a site that seems to support that opinion: The Cover Site |
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24 Oct 04 - 01:49 PM (#1305708) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: chris nightbird childs Lots of good suggestions. They're all here! Hank, Lennon, Macca (but Lennon IS better), Willie, Lightfoot, Neil Young, NIck Drake... but Dylan would probably be my pick. I love his lyrics... |
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24 Oct 04 - 06:34 PM (#1306004) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Observer So many people putting on such long lists, seems to prove you can't have a favourite. A song by a particular singer at a particular time is "favourite". Kind of makes a thread like this irrelevant, don't you think??? threads like this could be seen by outsiders to be divisive. We as "folkies" should pull together and celebrate what wonderful talent we have in our midst, not segregate. Just my opinion of course!! |
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24 Oct 04 - 07:56 PM (#1306085) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: mg I don't think it is irrelevant and I don't think it is divisive and I personally have no problem at all having favorite singers, songs etc. I make decisions very easily. And don't change them very much. I enjoy reading other people's favorites, and of all the things in this world of woe to worry about, worrying about what outsiders think of someone's list of favorite songwriters is really close to the bottom of my list. mg |
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24 Oct 04 - 08:21 PM (#1306112) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,MurkeyChris For me, no-one beats Richard Thompson. Chris |
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25 Oct 04 - 12:11 AM (#1306293) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Blissfully Ignorant Well, there's so many to choose from...So i'm just going with me. I've decided that if i'm going to be a rock star and have drugs and money and groupies, i'd better develop and ego, and quick..... |
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25 Oct 04 - 12:27 AM (#1306303) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: chris nightbird childs I think the "observer" is correct. Do you realize how much real down to earth talent we have around this site. This is the best forum on the Net for music fans. As opposed to the umpteen sites dedicated to the Britney Spears' and "Nu Metal" sites that pollute the internet... but anyway, this has become a favorites list, which goes to show how many diverse (and wonderful) opinions we have here. |
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25 Oct 04 - 06:55 AM (#1306452) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Hand-Pulled Boy I agree with Blissfully Ignorant apart from one small fact that I am the best song writer. I'm normally quite humble about these things but I hadn't realised there was so much competition! |
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25 Oct 04 - 01:33 PM (#1306751) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: brid widder Jake Thackray.. Paul Simon... and Bill Caddick... but it's horses for courses |
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25 Oct 04 - 03:17 PM (#1306834) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Dagmar Well, he is hard to categorise, but I have to add Shawn Phillips here... by the way ... he is on a concert tour in Germany this november .. any fans check his web site www.shawnphillips.com Dagmar |
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25 Oct 04 - 05:23 PM (#1306930) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Jane Has anybody ever heard of Mary Gauthier? Definitely worth checking out! |
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25 Oct 04 - 08:11 PM (#1307062) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: ClearMorning Gordon Lightfoot has written hundreds of great songs. |
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25 Oct 04 - 10:24 PM (#1307175) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Folk Form # 1 Hoagy Carmichael and Fats Waller |
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26 Oct 04 - 07:26 PM (#1308101) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: chris nightbird childs Definitely surprised to see Syd here. If he got himself together, he would've been one of the greats.... |
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27 Oct 04 - 07:19 AM (#1308500) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: s6k how could i forget Syd |
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09 Dec 04 - 11:25 PM (#1352593) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Robert J. Harper Jimmy Fortune is the best songwriter by far, His Gospel c/d I believe ,just released will even captivate the nonbeliever,you can see for yourself if you go to www.jimmyfortune.com and listen his awsome songs I believe and cool country sunday. |
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09 Dec 04 - 11:33 PM (#1352595) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: beetle cat sydney carter. |
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17 Dec 04 - 09:15 AM (#1359660) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Countryman2002 Bob Marley is the best songwriter ever! |
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17 Dec 04 - 01:09 PM (#1359837) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: EagleWing The list seems divide between those who CAN think of a "best songwriter" - but with little agreement as to who it is (other than el ted, of course) and those who know there is no such thing so they give a long list of candidates. I've actually enjoyed the 10 minutes or so reading this but, unless I missed it, no-one has mentioned Matt McGinn. He may not be the best because no one is but he certainly deserves a mention. Also, what about Johnny Handle, Alistaire Claire and Leon Rosselson? (And absolutely no-one has mentioned Rolf Harris :-) ) Frank L. |
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17 Dec 04 - 07:57 PM (#1360102) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Big Al Whittle Joe Ely - Butch Hancock of course - all that stuff doodle Owens did some nice stuff for Moe Bandy George Jones had his good days and Dolly Parton of course. Joni Mitchell , natch.and nobody writes about England as well as Ralph McTell |
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18 Dec 04 - 12:04 AM (#1360193) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: number 6 Townes Van Zandt Tom Waits Jimmy Webb Brian Wilson |
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18 Dec 04 - 12:59 PM (#1360479) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: John C. I admit I've just skimmed through this but I've only counted 3 mentions of Ewan MacColl in 158 postings. C'mon! What is wrong with the world?! Far too many modern songs seem to me to be introspective twaddle but Ewan wrote wonderful songs of universal appeal and relevance. |
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18 Dec 04 - 01:34 PM (#1360510) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: Cruiser For folk songwriting: Stephen Collins Foster His poverty and suffering never allowed him to receive professional acclaim commensurate with the quality of his compositions. The "Ethiopian songs" were some of his best. For pure Country: Hank Williams Sr. For Popular Music: John D. Loudermilk Cruiser |
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18 Dec 04 - 04:42 PM (#1360670) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: cptsnapper Judy Collins, Chris Simpson of Magna Carta, James Taylor, The McGarrigles, Steve Goodman, Chuck Berry, Clifford T. Ward |
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18 Dec 04 - 07:25 PM (#1360792) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: MojoBanjo The person who, at a particular point in your life, speaks to that life in song. For me, that has been Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and hundreds of nameless blues and folk musicians who inherited a song, buffed it up a bit, and sent it on its way down the river. Brian |
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18 Dec 04 - 08:52 PM (#1360853) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST faves........ harry warren, loudon wainwright, macca and bruce. |
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19 Dec 04 - 01:10 PM (#1361230) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: ev I see here amongst the folkies et all, there was ONE mention of Paul Simon..? Sheesh. Too New Yawk, Maybe? No mention of Ellington? and what does it say about a writer who's output is more palatable from the mouths of others than his own? Gotta be something to the SONGS, ya think? Given a choice between seeing Bob Dylan perform or seeing ... say, Robyn Hitchcock perform an evening of Dylan songs -- I'd go for Robyn with out a doubt! =) The best songwriter is subjective, according to your own exposure and sophistication and conceit, so in effect this whole thread is masturbatory. With quite a bit of brown nosing. shower time, and my soap's on a rope, TY. (flutters lashes) Now -- give me the REAL skinny by which I can learn to understand who you are and what has influenced you... oh wait. There's another thread for that. (nasal voice)Nevermind. |
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22 Jun 05 - 10:46 PM (#1507637) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST Conor Oberst, aka Bright Eyes |
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23 Jun 05 - 02:02 AM (#1507712) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Sidewinder. Top 10 list seems the best way -apologies for the repetition but most of you are discerning music fans. 1) Lennon & McCartney. 2) Bob Dylan. 3) Chuck Berry. 4) Smokey Robinson. 5) Tom Waits. 6) Stevie Wonder. 7) Buddy Holly. 8) Hoagy Carmichael. 9) Robbie Robertson. 10) Cat Stevens. Just missing out; Robert Johnson. Woody Guthrie. Leadbelly. Willie Dixon. James Brown. John Prine. Carole King & Gerry Goffin.. Jeff Barry & Ellie Grenwich. Phil Spector. David Bowie. Joe Strummer. Leiber & Stoller. Pomus & Shuman. George Michael. Holland, Dozier, & Lamont. Freddy Mercury. Van Morrison. Bacharach & David. Norman Whitfield. Joe Mercer. Irving Berlin. Cole Porter. Neil Young. Otis Blackwell. Jesse Stone. Bob Marley. U2. STING. etc. etc. etc. Regards. Sidewinder. |
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23 Jun 05 - 06:56 PM (#1508380) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: jaze The late great Kate Wolf belongs way up on the list. |
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24 Jun 05 - 04:57 PM (#1508970) Subject: RE: Who's the best songwriter? From: GUEST,Sarah Maybe not the best, but personal favorites? Mary chapin Carpenter Shawn Mullins Guess I'm a little bit Country, and a little bit Rock and Roll. ;( |