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28 Sep 04 - 10:05 AM (#1283151) Subject: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Betsy I've read it somewhere - but can't remember where - maybe on one of the threads in Mudcat - but "Homeward Bound" doesn't show up. Which railway station was Paul Simon singing about - it was in the North of England - Im fairly sure about that. In my discussions with my friends they've come up with Darlington ,Carnforth ,Preston, Crewe and Liverpool . Anyone got the definite answer - with refererence source ? Thanks in advance |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:08 AM (#1283153) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Brian Hoskin Widnes |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:15 AM (#1283156) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Brian Hoskin Sorry, I didn't include a reference source, but if you do an Internet source including the song title and Widnes you'll find plenty of references for instance here: Paul Simon Pages |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:23 AM (#1283161) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Peace www.medialab.chalmers.se/guitar/homeward.bound.html |
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28 Sep 04 - 10:24 AM (#1283162) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: GUEST waht was he diong in wides |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:13 AM (#1283206) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Betsy Thankyou Brian , Brucie and Guest - sounds fairly convincing to me Cheers |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:22 AM (#1283212) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Leadfingers Paul Simon was living in London in the sixties -Did a few Gigs round the country -Bridge Over Troubled Water was inspired by a bit of countryside just outside Exeter I believe . My local fok club wouldnt give him a booking for the following year , by which time he was working with Art Garfunkel and was a BIG name. The clubs that HAD booked him made a serious killing financially . Incidentally ,apart from the 'Canticle' bit which is his own , the arrangement for Scarborough Fair was stolen while he was in London - Some say it was Martin Carthy , some say Bert Jansch , who he got it from . |
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28 Sep 04 - 11:37 AM (#1283220) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Steve-o Right, Lead- can't sing anybody's version of a FOLK SONG or you're "stealing"?? Soooo, either Martin or Bert had the "original" version, right? Ever heard of "oral tradition"?? Get over the "stolen" baloney. |
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28 Sep 04 - 12:15 PM (#1283251) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Betsy Steve-O , " Stolen" was enough to cause a court case over it - I believe in the US . The story is something like this, that, Paul Simon recorded the song believing it to be something like (say) Greensleeves - which is so old it has no copyright / is traditional. Scarborough Fair became very popular not least for appearing repeatedly in the film the Graduate Martin had found a poem in a old book - he put the tune to the words and the arrangement of the words and song. This type of thing was part of the Revivalist movement in the 50's and 60's and an important step to getting the Folk music movement off it's knees. The matter was settled out of court , the amounts and whether satisfaction was achieved is not for me to comment on only that " baloney " is out of place when discusing this particular Song and matter. |
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28 Sep 04 - 12:16 PM (#1283252) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: The Borchester Echo Paul Simon made use of Martin Carthy's arrangement of Scarborough Fair. It was his own idea to incorporate Canticle into it - and a very clever one too. Martin was, however, the first person on the revival to resurrect the song and so deserves credit as an arranger. Paul, however, has never collected a writer's royalty on it and therefore 'stole' nothing. The two artists have long since reached an understanding over the issue and I suggest you all let it drop - or at the very least refrain from perpetuating a malicious and damaging myth. |
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28 Sep 04 - 01:20 PM (#1283302) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: The Unicorn Man Hello I am 99.9% sure it was Darlington. Dudes |
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28 Sep 04 - 01:29 PM (#1283316) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: The Borchester Echo There is (or used to be) a 'PS sat here' plaque on the platform at Widnes. |
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28 Sep 04 - 02:25 PM (#1283346) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Sir Roger de Beverley Well, I dropped him off at Grimsby station very early one morning so that he could catch the train back to London after playing the Grimsby club the night before. What has Widnes got that Grimsby hasn't? Roger |
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28 Sep 04 - 06:09 PM (#1283523) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: GUEST,Henryp The poular press and urban myth have settled upon Widnes. It may well have been a station in the north west, but conclusive proof is still awaited. The plaque at Widnes is evidence only of the myth. It's been purloined - by a plaque remover? |
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29 Sep 04 - 01:48 AM (#1283746) Subject: Lyr Add: HOMEWARD BOUND (Paul Simon)^^^ From: Joe Offer I think I'll post these lyrics, just because I like them, and they put this discussion in context. Brings back the days of my youth, you know. The song was recorded December 14, 1965, the same date as many of the songs on the Sounds of Silence LP (album released 16 Jan 66). As a single, it was released on 12 Feb 66 and reached #5 on the pop charts. It was on the Parsley Sage Rosemary and Thyme LP (album released 10 Oct 66). Homeward Bound (Music & Lyrics by Paul Simon) I'm sitting in the railway station. Got a ticket to my destination. On a tour of one-night stands my suitcase and guitar in hand. And ev'ry stop is neatly planned for a poet and a one-man band. Homeward bound, I wish I was, Homeward bound, Home where my thought's escaping, Home where my music's playing, Home where my love lies waiting Silently for me. Ev'ry day's an endless stream Of cigarettes and magazines. And each town looks the same to me, the movies and the factories And ev'ry stranger's face I see reminds me that I long to be, Homeward bound, I wish I was, Homeward bound, Home where my thought's escaping, Home where my music's playing, Home where my love lies waiting Silently for me. Tonight I'll sing my songs again, I'll play the game and pretend. But all my words come back to me in shades of mediocrity Like emptiness in harmony, I need someone to comfort me. Homeward bound, I wish I was, Homeward bound, Home where my thought's escaping, Home where my music's playing, Home where my love lies waiting Silently for me. Silently for me. transcribed from the CD
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29 Sep 04 - 03:33 AM (#1283781) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Ross When I first heard the song, I was about 10 I was sure he was in Poland or some dark and bleak post war communist hell hole I was quite shocked to find out he was in England |
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29 Sep 04 - 03:55 AM (#1283794) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Mark Cohen I thought it was Mornington Crescent. Aloha, Mark |
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29 Sep 04 - 04:09 AM (#1283806) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: GUEST,Mingulay Mark - you couldn't be sitting at Mornington Crescent with a ticket for your destination. Mornington Crescent is the destination. Ergo Paul Simon must have been somewhere else at the time. Large wooden spoon for Leadfingers please. That man is stir crazy. |
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29 Sep 04 - 05:16 AM (#1283836) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: The Borchester Echo In reality, it was probably Warrington where you have to change for London, not Widnes. Paul had played the local folk club and was dropped off at the station. The story he told at the time was that he missed the connection and had to spend the night on the platform and so passed the time by writing a song. |
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29 Sep 04 - 05:27 AM (#1283839) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Mark Cohen Touché, Mingulay! Aloha, Mark |
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29 Sep 04 - 06:55 AM (#1283884) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: GUEST,Mingulay Thank you Mark. You write French so beautifully, almost like a native. A native of where I'm not sure. |
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29 Sep 04 - 07:03 AM (#1283886) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: greg stephens Apropos Leadfingers comment about not booking Paul Simon. We turned him down at the folk club in cambridge, too, because he was too expensive. As far as I recall he wanted £33, and we thought that was a bit steep. |
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29 Sep 04 - 07:35 AM (#1283908) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Mr Red I once said (very knowledgably because I heard it on the Radio) that it was Wigan. The listener pointed-out that not only had Wigan station gone by then but he ran the folk club in Widnes and booked Paul Simon. The Poet was either Roger McGough or Adrian Henry ( my failing memory) and the "One Man Band" was Don Partridge. I was suitably humble after that - for about 5 minutes. |
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29 Sep 04 - 07:42 AM (#1283914) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: greg stephens Mr Red: Wigan station hasnt gone. It's very close to the building that says "Uncle Joe's Mint Balls" on the side. We need a railway timetable here for the 60's, to check which stations had trains available that you could catch after a folk club was finished. |
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29 Sep 04 - 07:51 AM (#1283921) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: The Borchester Echo It was the organiser at Widnes FC (whose name I have temprarily forgotton) who said he'd dropped Paul off at Widnes station. It was Paul who said he'd caught that one but missed the London connection. Would the guard who was working at Warrington that night like to come forward and explain why he dildn't hold the train for the illustrious Mr Simon? The course of musical history could have been quite different... |
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29 Sep 04 - 08:12 AM (#1283931) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: breezy 1964-5 ish maybe cos I did T P in 66 He played the Railway tavern Catford, S E london for a fee of £13 when the clubs limit was £12 so I am lead to believe from Tony and Dave. I sat in the front row It was shortly after the Watersons gig I then went to hear him at les cousins a few times While on teaching prac in Cleethorpes I managed to encourage all the students - well a few - to attend the local folk club and surprise surprise paul Simon was on and we knew all the words to 'songbook' an album which I gave away some years at a folk club raffle. ya boo hiss and I bought him a tomato juice at the bar and he said Art was finishing his studies so wasnt with him. |
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29 Sep 04 - 08:32 AM (#1283940) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Sir Roger de Beverley Breezy It was after that gig (or maybe another since he played there twice and this was the second time)that he came back to our flat and stayed the night before we took him to the station to catch the train back to London. I recall that he wasn't very good at getting out of bed and he only just made the train. This was very shortly before S&G took off big time as he was talking about the overdubbed single of sounds of silence "beginning to sell". R |
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29 Sep 04 - 03:47 PM (#1284266) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: LesB Then there is the story of the late Tony Wilson turning down PS for a £10 gig at the Bothy. (40th anniversary next April) Les |
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29 Sep 04 - 04:58 PM (#1284312) Subject: RE: Homeward Bound - Paul Simon From: Dave the Gnome Not only is Wigan station still there, Mr Red, there are two of 'em! Wallgate is the 'local'. High Level is the one on the high speed main line - They are only about 200 yards apart though and quite close to the famous Wigan pier:-) DtG |