25 Oct 04 - 05:58 PM (#1306952) Subject: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Bless my brother for making a reel-to-reel recording in the 1950's of mom and dad's old mostly cowboy 78 records. We just found the tapes after not being sure if they had been lost all of these years or not. Treasures! Anyway, I am using Audacity (thanks, Mudcatters!) to put them on my hard-drive, then they shall be Solstice/Christmas pressies for family and friends. If any of you are interested, please let me know. I think for about $3 to cover the cost of a blank cd and postage, I could share copies with you all. Here are the songs included on these two tapes (unfortunately, he didn't write down all of the artists' names. Bet has the original records, but no access for at least a year.):
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25 Oct 04 - 06:24 PM (#1306971) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Kat. Peg Leg Jack is in the Forum. Have a look at these old threads: |
25 Oct 04 - 06:28 PM (#1306977) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Oh! Thanks, George. They didn't come up when I did a search. I suspect because I didn't leave a space between the peg and leg.:-) |
25 Oct 04 - 06:30 PM (#1306980) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca No problem. I looked, and there's a song called Here's to the Ranger on this page: |
25 Oct 04 - 06:41 PM (#1306992) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca If I Had My Druthers - (Li'l Abner) |
25 Oct 04 - 06:53 PM (#1306998) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Joybell How wonderful kat. I'd really love a copy. Speaking of old treasures - By a happy and totally unexpected chance I just came upon two old 78s made by my grandmother in 1948. Didn't even know she sang. Had no idea she'd made them. Not of any interest to anyone else, of course, but wonderful for me and my cousin. Anyway, kat, that's just so great. Joy |
25 Oct 04 - 06:54 PM (#1306999) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: The Fooles Troupe Not leaving a space between the Peg & the Leg could be nasty.... |
25 Oct 04 - 06:58 PM (#1307001) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing :-)FT Thanks, George! Joy, that is wonderful! Another tape we found, which is an absolute family treasure is of my maternal grandmother reading us stories of James Whitcomb Riley and others plus myself reading Goldilocks and the three bears when I was four years old and had a teeny-high-pitched voice. My grandmother was a fantastic storyteller and reader, as were my parents. One friend who heard that tape said she can hear my grandma's delivery/style etc. in my voice. THAT made my day! Thanks, ya'll kat |
25 Oct 04 - 07:06 PM (#1307004) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Deckman What a treasure. I'm 'gonna PM you. $3 is WAY TOO CHEAP! Bob |
25 Oct 04 - 07:09 PM (#1307008) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Joybell kat, that's so great! I'd love to hear you and your grandmother too. I haven't had our treasure put on CD yet. The records are mildewed and scratched, but we hope to hear at least something. I haven't heard my grandmother's voice since I was 5. I wonder if I sound anything like her? She was a preacher with her own church and each record has a sermon on one side and a song on the other. - We think. Joy |
25 Oct 04 - 07:19 PM (#1307018) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Git Along Little Dogies From the same source: |
25 Oct 04 - 07:32 PM (#1307029) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Jack O' Diamonds - Lonnie Donegan |
25 Oct 04 - 07:57 PM (#1307052) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Strawberry Roan |
25 Oct 04 - 08:02 PM (#1307053) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca That link to the Ranger Ballads has as its first lyric, Texas Rangers I haven't located King of Borneo, Going Back To Texas (lots of references though), Dolan's Poker Party, Jolly Coppersmith (again lots of references to sheet music), and I learned about Woman From Her. I haven't started on the stuff after the Old Chisholm Trail. Some of the others are SO certain to be in the DT that I haven't linked to them. Red River Valley, Cowboy's Lament, Big Rock Candy Mountain are some of these. |
25 Oct 04 - 08:09 PM (#1307061) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Great stuff, George!! Thanks! When I have the time, I will post lyrics of the ones you can't find. Some folks have PM'd to say they think I am being to *cheap*:-) If anyone feels moved to send a little more than the three bucks, I wouldn't refuse it. Also, for those outside the US, I do have a PayPal acct and will give you the addy if you send me a PM. Thanks a bunch, folks. It's sure fun to share with ya'll. kat |
25 Oct 04 - 08:31 PM (#1307080) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Here's most of the rest. Some of them are too easy, as I mentioned above. Simple search in the DT will find those. O'Holligan's Ball and Punching the Dough I haven't located. Though there are tons of links to Punching the Dough. Title like Jesse James is a little hard to work with.(See Below). I'm Betting The Roll on Roamer |
25 Oct 04 - 08:32 PM (#1307084) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Thanks Kat. Those that aren't in the DT, If no one else does it, I will post them here tomorrow. Gotta run. |
25 Oct 04 - 08:33 PM (#1307085) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Also, forgot to say, I am going to try to edit out some of the hisses and other noise, though they are not too bad, at least the first one which I did today. I haven't done that before, so there will be a learning curve, though I have read up on it, here. If anyone wants them "raw" just let me know and I will sned them as is (which would also get them to you sooner.:-) |
25 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM (#1307106) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing George, listening to these for the second time, I find the lyrics are different from either of the versions you've listed for if I had my druthers. I'll try to get them posted tomorrow. They're really neat. |
25 Oct 04 - 09:45 PM (#1307148) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: GUEST,Art Thieme Kat----Be sure to put me down for one as well. It sounds like a great lineup. I suspect that "Mac" is none other than Harry (Haywire Mac) McClintock himeslf. He was the best of all the balladeers of that type and era in my opinion---- and the writer of "Big Rock Candy Mountain". Art |
25 Oct 04 - 10:39 PM (#1307196) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: The Fooles Troupe I would be interested in a copy - but it may cost a little more to get it to Australia. Robin |
25 Oct 04 - 10:48 PM (#1307205) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Seamus Kennedy Kat, me too. Seamus |
25 Oct 04 - 11:09 PM (#1307225) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: GUEST,.gargoyle I'll be getting one too - thank you. And at the most convenient season.
Sincerely,
imagine the simple dna structure from a hair is captured multiple from the air - ahhhh - what wonders transformed beyond reason. |
25 Oct 04 - 11:25 PM (#1307238) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Art, already gotcha covered, darlin'...you were one of the first I thought of.:-)I'll bet you're right about "Mac." Robin, I'll find out how much to OZ, okay? Can't be that much more. Seamus, no problem, thanks. Please folks be sure to let me know if you want them "as is" or after I edit some hissing, etc. greg/garg...don't know how. I am not willing to share personal info with you, so there'd have to be a trustworthy go-between if you want a copy. kat |
25 Oct 04 - 11:29 PM (#1307240) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: GUEST,.gargoyle It is done - the skids were greased.
Sincerely, |
25 Oct 04 - 11:49 PM (#1307264) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Whatever... |
26 Oct 04 - 01:23 AM (#1307325) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Jim Dixon I'm intrigued by the one called O'HOLLIGAN'S BALL. I'd bet that's a misspelling for O'HOOLIGAN'S BALL, which was recorded by Frank Crumit in 1928. Either way, I haven't heard it, and it sounds like it would be a good addition to our collection Lyr Add: Irish songs about balls, wakes, soirees. So I'm interested. This web page says the flip side of Crumit's O'HOOLIGAN'S BALL was DOLAN'S POKER PARTY, which I see is also in your list and probably also fits the genre. Hey, I'll bet there's enough info on the Internet to compile a complete description of those records, even if you don't have the labels. |
26 Oct 04 - 01:34 AM (#1307328) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: beardedbruce sounds like a great collection. I'll PM |
26 Oct 04 - 03:09 AM (#1307360) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Lin in Kansas Kat, I'd love a copy. Will PM you. Aren't family treasures great? So glad your brother thought to record them! Lin |
26 Oct 04 - 11:49 AM (#1307668) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing I'll bet you're right, Jim! My sense is my brother would have done one record, both sides one after another, BUT both of those songs are on separate sides of one tape, so maybe not. It certainly sounds like you've got it right, though my bro is usually very meticulous about getting names right, etc. It maybe that my dad sang it as O'Hooligan's and my brother wrote it the way he heard it. I know I've done that with the old songs when I am singing them...dad and mom's versions always come through no matter what some lyrics might say. Same with tunes.:-) Folks, thanks so much for your interest. I will catch up to you via PM over the next couple of days. I am doing the second r-to-r tape, today, then will start the editing. |
26 Oct 04 - 12:55 PM (#1307751) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Have listened to the second tape, now, and it is definitely "O'Hooligan's Ball." |
26 Oct 04 - 01:00 PM (#1307757) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: DADGBE Hi Kat, I want one o' them CDs myself. Just let me know where to send the three dollars! Best regards, Ray Frank |
26 Oct 04 - 01:01 PM (#1307760) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: open mike oh this sounds like a wonderful collection...count me in! i might wait for the cleaned up version in case that makes quality better -- i don't want to miss a measure! Laurel i have a 78 of my dad which i found..and it is a comical song about sitting on a keg in the cellar...i am gonna go dig it out again! |
26 Oct 04 - 02:50 PM (#1307864) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Jim, I am sorry. That was a typo on my part in the track listing. Youa re absolutely right about it being a HOO, not a HOLL! I totally misread your point. Have corrected it now. Thanks. Laurel, you are counted...do you want the hissing version or the spiffy one? I think I've answered everyone's PM now. Please let me know if I missed you. Thanks a bunch, kat |
26 Oct 04 - 05:14 PM (#1307971) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Just tried out the editing program, shareware Goldwave. Wow, thanks to whomever recommended it a couple of years ago. It is going to take me some time to learn to use it, so I just wanted to let you all know...edited versions will not be ready for a while. Sorry...I will try to have them done well before Christmas. Things should slow down a little after next week!:-) |
26 Oct 04 - 06:04 PM (#1308024) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Joybell Kat, you have several family treasures don't you. Your brother qualifies as one, I reckon. Cheers, Joy |
26 Oct 04 - 06:11 PM (#1308027) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Kat, looks like the title "I Learned about Woman From Her SHOULD be I Learned About Women From Her. That was the title of one of Frank Crumit's recordings. It was also recorded by Goebel Reeves, but I haven't found the words. |
26 Oct 04 - 06:34 PM (#1308044) Subject: Lyr Add: DRUTHERS; TEXAS RANGERS; SAM BASS; etc. From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca From http://www.geocities.com/WileyMike/2Live.html Druthers
Texas Rangers
Sam Bass
Here's to the Ranger!
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26 Oct 04 - 06:40 PM (#1308052) Subject: Lyr Add: Keep Your Saddle Tight aka IF Your Saddle From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca From http://www.smsu.edu/folksong/maxhunter/1014/ Keep Your Saddle Tight
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26 Oct 04 - 06:47 PM (#1308059) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Sometimes he is, Joy...when I listen to his classical compositions he definitely is!:-) If you like non-avant-garde classical, esp. piano, I'll send you one of his, too. George, you have earned a copy, hands-down! If you'll PM me your addy I'd be happy to do that. Now, I shall transpose I learned about womEn from her, |
27 Oct 04 - 04:51 PM (#1308968) Subject: Lyr Add: THE LADIES (Rudyard Kipling) From: katlaughing Boy, don't I feel like an idjit! My dad would be so disappointed in me! Just talked with my brother and told him how much fun this has been. He reminded me that the one song, "I learned about women from her" is actually Kipling's poem, "The Ladies!" So, here 'tis...I will also post it in a LYR ADD thread of its own: Rudyard Kipling: The Ladies I've taken my fun where I've found it; I've rogued an' I've ranged in my time; I've 'ad my pickin' o' sweet'earts, An' four o' the lot was prime. One was an 'arf-caste widow, One was a woman at Prome, One was the wife of a jemadar-sais, An' one is a girl at 'ome. Now I aren't no 'and with the ladies, For, takin' 'em all along, You never can say till you've tried 'em, An' then you are like to be wrong. There's times when you'll think that you mightn't, There's times when you'll know that you might; But the things you will learn from the Yellow an' Brown, They'll 'elp you a lot with the White! I was a young un at 'Oogli, Shy as a girl to begin; Aggie de Castrer she made me, An' Aggie was clever as sin; Older than me, but my first un -- More like a mother she were -- Showed me the way to promotion an' pay, An' I learned about women from 'er! Then I was ordered to Burma, Actin' in charge o' Bazar, An' I got me a tiddy live 'eathen Through buyin' supplies off 'er pa. Funny an' yellow an' faithful -- Doll in a teacup she were, But we lived on the square, like a true-married pair, An' I learned about women from 'er! Then we was shifted to Neemuch (Or I might ha' been keepin' 'er now), An' I took with a shiny she-devil, The wife of a nigger at Mhow; 'Taught me the gipsy-folks' bolee; Kind o' volcano she were, For she knifed me one night 'cause I wished she was white, And I learned about women from 'er! Then I come 'ome in the trooper, 'Long of a kid o' sixteen -- Girl from a convent at Meerut, The straightest I ever 'ave seen. Love at first sight was 'er trouble, She didn't know what it were; An' I wouldn't do such, 'cause I liked 'er too much, But -- I learned about women from 'er! I've taken my fun where I've found it, An' now I must pay for my fun, For the more you 'ave known o' the others The less will you settle to one; An' the end of it's sittin' and thinkin', An' dreamin' Hell-fires to see; So be warned by my lot (which I know you will not), An' learn about women from me! What did the Colonel's Lady think? Nobody never knew. Somebody asked the Sergeant's wife, An' she told 'em true! When you get to a man in the case, They're like as a row of pins -- For the Colonel's Lady an' Judy O'Grady Are sisters under their skins! |
27 Oct 04 - 04:57 PM (#1308973) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Also, I guess these are not going to fit on just one CD, so ya'll will be getting two of them...around two hours of songs! In light of that...if you've already sent the three bucks don't worry about it; if you haven't a little more would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
28 Oct 04 - 06:15 PM (#1309973) Subject: Lyr Add: Going Back To Texas - Partial From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Found a link to a MP3 clip among those references to the song Going Back To Texas. It seems to be a Texas Swing type of song. Very nice. Here's the part out of that clip: Going Back to Texas I started out from Texas, about a year ago |
28 Oct 04 - 07:47 PM (#1310047) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: GUEST,Penny @ singout0122@netscape.net Thanks Kat. What a wonderful thing. I would love one. Let me know what to do! Penny |
28 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM (#1310087) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Jim Dixon Here are some tentative identifications of some of your records. I've compiled this list by searching for records that have 2 songs from your list, mainly at The Online Discographical Project. Some of the songs are so rare that this is easy; the technique sort of breaks down when lots of people have recorded the same song. And I suspect there are some cases where your tape includes one side of a disk but not the other. Carl T. Sprague: Here's to a Texas Ranger / If Your Saddle Is Good and Tight, Victor VI40066, 1926. Frank Crumit: Abdul Abulbul Amir / Frankie and Johnny, Victor VI20715, 1927. Frank Crumit: O'Hooligan's Ball / Dolan's Poker Party, Victor VI21579, 1928. Frank Crumit: I'm Betting the Roll on Roamer / The Return of Abdul Abulbul Amir, Victor 22482, 1930. Haywire Mac (Harry McClintock): Get Along Little Dogies / Trail to Mexico, Victor VI40016, 1928. Jules Allen: Days of '49 / Home on the Range, Victor VI21627, 1928. Marc Williams: Jesse James / Little Joe the Wrangler, Brunswick 269, 1928. Paul Hamblin: Under Dakota's Cross / Strawberry Roan, Victor VI40260, 1930. |
28 Oct 04 - 08:51 PM (#1310090) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Joybell Thanks Kat, but our musical development is not at the stage to understand or properly appreciate avant-garde classical. That's how True-Love puts it. He is just starting on Bach. Me - well I'm stuck somewhere a few centuries back with singing milk-maids and street ballad-mongerers. Your rendition of "The Three Bears" would be greatly appreciated though, along with your grandmother's story-telling and your collection of 78s. Thanks again Kat. Cheers, Joy |
28 Oct 04 - 09:25 PM (#1310118) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Q (Frank Staplin) Some of these songs, like "Trail to Mexico," have several tunes that have been used. It will be interesting to see the tunes used for the songs in this collection by the various singers. "Days of '49" was in one of the San Francisco songsters for 1872 (anon. but probably by Charles Rhoades (Silber and Robinson printed some of the words in their book). It was really tied down with new music by Abe Zimmer in 1876 (reproduced in Lingenfelter and Dwyer). I have the lyrics and music (much changed from that printed in 1876) by Jules Verne Allen in his book (1933). It will be nice to hear his recording. |
28 Oct 04 - 10:00 PM (#1310134) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Jim, thanks so much! That's just wonderful. Your input, too, Q, thanks! Joy, we hate avant-garde! My brother does, too. His "hero" is Mozart. When he was at university, he ticked off all of his profs because he refused to write avant-garde and/or minimal. His music is very tonal, classical in the "good" sense, i.e. listenable! The one symphonic piece we have was recorded at its premiere in 1984 and is called the "Ode to the Rockies." The rest is piano, some of it very romantic and rather ravishing.:-) |
29 Oct 04 - 06:25 AM (#1310370) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks While I think about it, has anyone heard the 78rpm recording of 'Goodbye Old Paint' made by Tex Ritter in the 1930s? It would be difficult to imagine a more authentic, spine tingling performance. It should be reissued with other examples of like (but couldn't possibly be better) kind. |
29 Oct 04 - 06:32 AM (#1310374) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks Is this maybe the 'Old Paint' on kat's tape? |
29 Oct 04 - 02:07 PM (#1310743) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing It very well could be, Billy. I'll see if I can get a sample of it uploaded to my website and put a link in here so ya'll can hear it. I know it's the same song, just not sure of the artist. Thanks, kat |
29 Oct 04 - 02:10 PM (#1310748) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Just had a listen, Billy. Rog nor I think it is Tex. It sounds earlier than that and the voice is fairly high and nasal. It might take me awhile, but I will try to get a sample up. kat |
29 Oct 04 - 03:43 PM (#1310827) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks Kat - it still could be. This is very early Ritter, nothing like his later stuff. Really exciting wahoos! |
29 Oct 04 - 03:45 PM (#1310836) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks But the test is in the harking! I look forward to it, if you can do it. |
29 Oct 04 - 09:38 PM (#1311098) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing I don't know if this is going to work or not, but let's try. You should be able to click here and hear a snippet of "Goodbye Ol' Paint. |
29 Oct 04 - 09:41 PM (#1311100) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Kewl! It worked! |
29 Oct 04 - 10:43 PM (#1311144) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Q (Frank Staplin) Could be. Whoever, it sounds good! |
30 Oct 04 - 12:12 AM (#1311191) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Stewie The snippet of 'Old Paint' sounds to me like Harry McClintock [Haywire Mac]. His recording has been reissued on 'When I Was A Cowboy' Vol I Yazoo CD 2022. --Stewie. |
30 Oct 04 - 12:18 AM (#1311194) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing I'll bet you are right, Stewie, as one of the others on this tape is by Mac, also. Thanks. |
30 Oct 04 - 02:10 AM (#1311234) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: moocowpoo A little bit of thread-drift...Kat, have you tried using 'soundforge'?. It's really good to use for basic stuff and you can timestretch and hear instant previews of your effects or EQ stuff (audacity, spends too much time loading any changes you make). I have Audacity but never use it, it's too akward...Soundforge is so much easier to use. I often use SF to put vinyl and MD recordings onto my computer, it's exo! Anyway, give it a try sometime and see what you think. Protools is good as well, more advanced and you can get it free, although, soundforge is good enough for a lot of things I want to do. moocowpoo. |
30 Oct 04 - 04:57 AM (#1311267) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: GUEST,.gargoyle Cakewalk - will also work like SoundForge - cleans up static and background noise.
Sincerely, |
30 Oct 04 - 10:11 AM (#1311366) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Thanks, moocowpoo...I will look into it. I am actually using GoldWave to cut and paste each song from my master on the harddrive. I just used Audacity to record from the r-to-r to my harddrive. Haven't tried any of the editing options in it, yet though. |
30 Oct 04 - 04:17 PM (#1311640) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks Kat- just caught up. Thanks for the snippet. Good, but not as good as Tex. |
30 Oct 04 - 05:00 PM (#1311674) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Thnaks, Billy. It's good to me because it's the one I grew up hearing.:-) No offense to Tex, though! Okay, folks, I have just completed the first tape, that is I taped the whole thing so that I wouldn't have to stop and start the fragile tape for each song, then I went in and isolated each song on the harddrive and save it. Over the next couple of days, I will do the same with the second tape and then they will be ready to burn and send out. It is going to take quite a while to get them edited, I think. Also, I may have the cleaned up ones burnt professionally, which would up the cost just a tiny bit, probably to around $10 to cover the productions, mailing, and time/effort costs. Not to worry, though, those of you who have already requested them will get them no matter. Thanks for all of your interest and input! kat |
30 Oct 04 - 06:13 PM (#1311719) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Joybell I used Soundforge too, Kat. Complete novice I was. I found it really quite easy to use. Good luck with whatever. I'm going for the raw version because I'm into instant gratification. Looking forward to it all. Thank you again, Kat. Cheers, Joy |
30 Oct 04 - 07:47 PM (#1311789) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: cobber I reckon Jim would be right about Frank Crumit singing Abdul. He was immensely popular and you can find his biography here I have several of his 78s including that one. |
30 Oct 04 - 07:49 PM (#1311792) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: cobber Hey! That's the first time I've tried a clicky and it seems to work! |
30 Oct 04 - 07:57 PM (#1311802) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: cobber While I'm on the floor, so to speak, I still play my 78s on a wind-up gramophone which has got a bit of work lately as I'm building in the bush and don't have power. You can still buy 78s quite cheaply here in Australia for instance, a year or two back, I was at a church fate and they had a big heap of 78s donated. It was near the end of the fair and I asked the person on the stall how much they were and was told, $1 each or free if you take the lot! I asked if they had a box I could put them in and was charged 50c for that (The stall holder was a friend of mine). When I got them home, they included Slim Dusty's "Pub With No Beer", a treasure in Australia and several old rock and roll records from people like Gene Vincent and Little Richard. Not bad for 50c. By the way, if you record your records straight in to Cool Edit like I do, it has automatic hiss reduction and you can expand the track to pinpoint and remove the worst clicks and scratches. |
30 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM (#1311841) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Q (Frank Staplin) Ah tol' yuh! Twarnt enuf to cover the delivery. Ah, well, Gargoyle will make up the difference. I figure if each of us sends $10 it may just cover the materials and postage, but certainly nothing for labor. Cobber, can't get many 78s here in western Canada anymore (unfortunately mostly gone to landfill), but still very useful lp stuff around. I got a very good 78 player (also an lp player- these are abundant and cheap) that I can use with my amplifier and tape deck. A lot of good superceded equipment around, if you ask at smaller repair shops and goodwill outlets. |
30 Oct 04 - 09:01 PM (#1311847) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Q, **bg**...you were right indeed, Sir! cobber, congrats on the clicky and the 78s! That is really kewl! My sister's school was going to throw out old phonographs which play 78's. She got me two of them. That's the next thing we hook up to the computer as we have some 78's and LPs we want to put on disc. Thanks, Joy. I will look into SoundForge. CoolEdit is not shareware is it? |
31 Oct 04 - 12:26 PM (#1312249) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca CoolEdit got bought out by Adobe. It's now known as Audition. SoundForge is now from Sony. |
31 Oct 04 - 12:44 PM (#1312269) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Bat Goddess Count us in, Kat. I'll paypal you the 10 bucks as soon as Tom can get around to it. Linn ("I'm livin' out where the livin' is grand / And I'm milkin' cows with my old cow hand.") |
31 Oct 04 - 12:47 PM (#1312273) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Okay, Linn, yer on the list, darlin'! |
01 Nov 04 - 06:10 AM (#1312899) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: RoyH (Burl) Hi Kat, Enjoyed the snippet. It doesn't sound like Haywire Mac or Tex Ritter to me. Could be Jules Allen? Burl |
01 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM (#1313088) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Mark Ross GOODBY OLD PAINT is definitely Haywire Mac! I have that recording and there is no doubt. By the way, I'm still looking for Mac's version OF CAN I SLEEP IN YOUR BARN TONIGHT, MISTER? Anyone? Mark Ross |
01 Nov 04 - 10:30 AM (#1313099) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Thanks, Mark, for the confirmation. Sorry, can't help on the other Mac song. burl, ya got me. I have to defer to others like Mark. I was too young to make note at the time. Jules Allen is listed as singing Days of 49 and I don't think his voice on that sounds the same as the one doing Old Paint. Thanks, guys, kat |
01 Nov 04 - 11:22 AM (#1313153) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: RoyH (Burl) OKay by me Kat. I'm happy to accept Mark's word on this. MY guess at Jules Allen was just that, a guess as I played the clip. I should have checked my record collection. My other guess might have been Carl Sprague. All the best, Burl |
01 Nov 04 - 11:24 AM (#1313155) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing no problem, burl. You guys all know a LOT more about all of these than I...I just know i love the old dears.:-) Thanks! |
02 Nov 04 - 05:27 PM (#1314531) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing I've received several orders by mail from you all. Thanks, very much. I will get them sent out by this coming weekend. I'll send you each a PM when I send yours out. Thanks, kat |
02 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM (#1314734) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Stewie For the record, neither Jules Allen nor Carl Sprague recorded 'Old Paint'. Tex Ritter mostly recorded it under the title 'A Riding Old Paint' and most of those were unissued; his 1933 recording under the title 'Good-bye Old Paint' had no fiddle and was unissued. [cf Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' and Tony Russell 'Country Music Records']. Mark, BACM have reissued some Haywire Mac recordings on CD, including the one you want. You will find details on this page: CLICK HERE. --Stewie. |
06 Nov 04 - 10:06 AM (#1318777) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing So, if I've got my ducks in a row, we need lyrics for King of Borneo, O'Hooligan's Ball, and Jolly Coppersmith, right? Any others? I may have missed something when cross-checking my list against those in this thread. Just checking on some of the tracks now. Hope to send them out this morning. Thanks, kat |
07 Nov 04 - 08:16 AM (#1319479) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks Stewie: If the 1933 recording of 'Goodbye Old Paint' was never issued, how come I have a copy of it on Edison Bell Winner W.21? It is backed by 'Rye Whiskey'. I suppose it is possible, (but it doesn't seem very likely) that it was issued in England and not US. |
07 Nov 04 - 08:20 AM (#1319482) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks I refer, of course, to the Tex Ritter 'Old Paint'. |
07 Nov 04 - 09:46 AM (#1319523) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Stewie Hi Billy, my apologies. I misread the entry in Tony Russell's discography. Ritter made 2 recordings under the title 'Good-bye/Goodbye Old Paint' in 1933 - 13157-2 for ARC was unissued, but 13157-1 was issued on no less than 13 labels including the EBW W21 that you have. Both recordings were accompanied by 'own guitar' only. --Stewie. |
07 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM (#1319550) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing I've just started a new ADD LYR thread for the version of Jack O'Diamonds which is in this collection. Lomax's version is in the DT under Rye Whiskey. My version has slightly different words. |
07 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM (#1319553) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Billy Weeks Oh hell! I thought for a minute I had the only copy in the world of this lovely performance! But thanks, Stewie. |
13 Nov 04 - 03:32 PM (#1325890) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Finally! We sent two CDs out to each of you on the following list, this morning, so you should get them sometime next week, I hope. If you don't see your name on this list, and it should be, please send me a PM. Thanks to everyone! Jeep Man Deckman Joybell - thanks for your CD's. I am really enjoying hearing you both! Q frogprince (who sent a Fantastic cowboy song of his own!! We need to talk about that!) Seamus Kennedy Art Thieme John & LininKansas DADGBE Louie Roy Also, Dick Greenhaus...I owe you a set. Will get them out to you next week. Sorry, the above plus about 6 more sets for family etc. kinda snowballed me!:-) If anyone else is interested, please let me know by PM. To those who wanted cleaned up versions, sorry...I just didn't have the time. You are getting them with all of the grooves, hisses, etc., but I think you'll still find them enjoyable. I explained more in a note in each package. Thanks a bunch! SO long, pardners, kat |
19 Nov 04 - 01:42 AM (#1331976) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: Lin in Kansas Kat, Received ours today and have been playing them non-stop ever since! What a great collection! And it doesn't matter to me at least that the hisses aren't edited--it just means they sound like I remember them sounding :>) Thank you so much for all your work, and for sharing the songs with us. There are a couple (Jack O'Diamonds in particular) that I am certain are the versions I used to hear as a kid. Deja vu all over again! Lin and John |
19 Nov 04 - 06:22 AM (#1332095) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Oh that's great, Lin, thanks so much! My grandson and I are sure enjoying them. This week he learned how to clap, so we're working on the rhythm in the songs now, as well as the melody! kat |
20 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM (#1333245) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: GUEST,Art Thieme And what Lin and John said goes for me as well, Ms Kat. Thanks so much. I actually enjoy the pops and clicks. To me, they are the sounds of time passing--of people, ghosts maybe (by now), actually using the 78s and adding those few indications of their quick presence. Folk songs have always been my time machines. Love, Art |
20 Nov 04 - 03:43 AM (#1333309) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Oh, Art, that's a beautiful way to put it...I've found these were my grandparent's 78s before mom and dad had them, so ghosts indeed, m'dear...as well as my family...we put a lot of wear and tear into some of them, esp. Little Joe. |
26 Nov 04 - 08:25 AM (#1339609) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures From: katlaughing Thought this was pretty neat and worth re-posting in this thread. From Art Thieme, posted in the "Thanks for the music/fellowship, 'Catters" thread by Fortunato/Chance Shiver: The Mac McClintock songs are priceless. That's the most complete version of Jesse James I've ever heard... |
27 Nov 04 - 12:55 AM (#1340292) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy songs From: GUEST yeah |
18 Nov 07 - 02:49 PM (#2196915) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy s From: katlaughing I know what somebody is getting from their Secret Santa!**bg** |
30 Oct 08 - 05:04 PM (#2480257) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: GUEST,Valerie Kurjata Hi there, I am interested in a copy of the CD with the song Under Dakota's Cross. Can you let me know how I can send payment? Also we are in Canada, so is there an extra cost for shipping? Thanks. |
30 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM (#2480315) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so From: dick greenhaus Kat- I must have missed this back in 04. Is it still possible to get a copy? And why not make copies more-or-less permanent Mudcat Auction items? I can do the copying and packaging if it's too much trouble. |
30 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM (#2480331) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing HeyaDick, that sounds like a great idea! I have to find the files, first. I think I know which computer they are on. I'll send you a PM as soon as I find them, or give you a call. Guest,Valerie, if you join Mudcat (it's free and your addy will not be sold/spammed!) I can send you a Personal Message with details. As you can see, it might take a little while to get these going again. If you are in a hurry for Under Dakota's Cross, the lyrics are available on Mudcat and I could probably put a file up on youtube or something which would get you the tune. I also have to find the artwork I had for them; I think it's on the old computer which is still in operation, I hope!:-) (Keep in mind, I start a new novel on Nov. 1st and only have until Nov. 30th to get it done! Crazy? Yes! It's all part of NaNoWriMo!) Thanks for the interest, folks! |
31 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM (#2481387) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing Good news! It looks as though I have the files on an external hard drive. I am going to be very busy until next Wednesday, at least, depending on how my novel start goes, plus our daughter's wedding party, and the election! So, be patient. I will get to this, folks!{g} |
17 Nov 08 - 09:12 PM (#2496307) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing Good news, folks. I have found the files on the external drive, transferred them to this PC and can make a few CDs come the first of the month when my novel is done. It's kind of neat, I am at the part in my novel which comes to the ranch my dad grew up on, listening to these old songs is really bringing it all to mind...lets my imagination go all out!**bg** Anyway, I'll be in touch with ya'll after the end of the month and thanks for asking! I even found the artwork which includes a photo of my dad as a kid herding cattle with his dad. kat |
17 Nov 08 - 09:53 PM (#2496327) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: Mark Ross Count me in for a copy kat. Mark Ross |
17 Nov 08 - 09:55 PM (#2496329) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing Sure, Mark, be happy to, thanks. |
01 Dec 08 - 07:37 PM (#2505412) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing Okay, I can come up for air...got the rough draft of the novel done! So, I have a note to myself that the following people want these two CDs: maeve Mark Ross Celtaddict Melissa Dick Greenhaus I think the price back when ten bucks to me for cost of the blanks, envelopes and postage. I don't really care if it's money or trade. If oyu have a CD you think I'd like or something else, let me know and we'll see if we can work something out. I've already agreed to that with a couple of folks. Dick, yours will be comps...you deserve all the thanks I can give and it will never be enough for what you provide in the DT etc. The rest of you, if you are still interested, please PM me with your mailing addys. I will ask you all to still be patient. It will take me a little bit to get up to speed what with homemade gifts and all, too.:-) As near as I can tell, I have all of the cuts listed in this thread on my harddrive. I listened to all that were in the file folders I found while I was writing and they sure sounded good, again. It was kind of neat since I was working on the novel based on my dad's oral history and these 78s belonged to the grandparents I was writing about! Thanks, kat |
02 Dec 08 - 11:36 AM (#2505925) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so From: DADGBE Hi Kat, I'd sure like a copy! Let me know by PM where I can send the money. Thanks, Ray |
05 Dec 08 - 12:20 AM (#2508294) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing Thanks, Ray. I'll PM you in just a minute. I am sending out a batch, tomorrow to the following people: Melissa Dick Greenhaus maeve Celtaddict Spleen Cringe Mark Ross, just sent you a PM, too. Thanks, folks! |
10 Dec 08 - 01:24 PM (#2511868) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: Melissa Thanks Kat..lovely treasure! |
10 Dec 08 - 03:56 PM (#2511965) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: dick greenhaus And lovely recordings they are! One minor complaint, though--is there w way to find out who recorded what? |
10 Dec 08 - 04:46 PM (#2512022) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing In this thread, Dick. Sorry, at the time I made the inserts, I didn't know for sure who was singing what. But, Mudcat being what it is, you will find it all in here, thanks to our really knowledgeable members! Melissa...big smiles here, thanks! |
18 Dec 08 - 11:58 PM (#2519501) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing open mike, I sent yours yesterday or the day before. Sorry I didn't post earlier. Also, Ray and Mark, I forgot you were on my TO-DO list! My apologies! I will get yours out this weekend! Anyone else? |
19 Dec 08 - 02:52 AM (#2519541) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so From: Spleen Cringe My copy arrived last week. Great stuff! Thank you Kat! |
26 Dec 08 - 04:53 PM (#2525155) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so From: Artful Codger Back on 24 Oct 04, Jim Dixon identified one recording as possibly: "Marc Williams: Jesse James / Little Joe the Wrangler, Brunswick 269, 1928." While this may be the source of "Little Joe the Wrangler" on the CDs, "Jesse James" (track 2.6) was sung by Harry McClintock; it's identical to the recording on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2. Similarly, I can confirm: 1.11 Big Rock Candy Mountain - Harry McClintock; also on O Brother, Where Art Thou 1.15 Goodbye, Old Paint - Harry McClintock; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 1 1.19 The Strawberry Roan - Paul Hamblin; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2 2.9 Sam Bass - Harry McClintock; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 1 Home on the Range (1.10): Ken Maynard sang and played this exactly the same way as Jules Allen (but up a step); see When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2. Don't know which came first. Here's my reckoning of the attributions pulled together in this thread: == CD 1 == 1. Cowboy's Lament - sung by Harry "Haywire Mac" McClintock 2. I Learned About Women from Her - Frank Crumit; text: "The Ladies" by Rudyard Kipling 3. Peg Leg Jack - ? sung by Tex Morton; or Carson Robison and His Pioneers, 1929 4. If I Had My Druthers 5. Get Along, Little Dogies - sung by Harry McClintock, 1928 6. Here's to a Texas Ranger - sung by Carl T. Sprague, 1926 7. Lay Down, Dogies [cf. "Night Herding Song", written by Harry Stephens, c.1909] 8. Goin' Back to Texas 9. Days of '49 - sung by Jules Allen, 1928 10. Home on the Range - sung by Jules Allen, 1928 11. Big Rock Candy Mountain - Harry McClintock 12. A Tale of the Ticker - Frank Crumit, 1929 13. If Your Saddle Is Good and Tight - sung by Carl T. Sprague, 1926 14. Trail to Mexico - Harry McClintock, 1928 15. Goodbye, Old Paint - Harry McClintock 16. Little Joe, the Wrangler - ? Marc Williams, 1928; words: Howard N. "Jack" Thorp 17. Jack O'Diamonds [derived from "Rebel Soldier"] 18. Down by the Railroad Track - Frank Crumit 19. The Strawberry Roan - Paul Hamblin, 1930 20. King of Borneo - Frank Crumit, 1929 21. Under Dakota's Cross - sung by Paul Hamblin, 1930; by Wilf Carter? == CD 2 == 1. Abdul Abulbul Amir - sung by Frank Crumit, 1927; by Percy French, 1877 2. Return of Abdul Abulbul Amir - Frank Crumit, 1930 3. Dolan's Poker Party - Frank Crumit, 1928 4. Old Joe Clark 5. Jolly Coppersmith (Der Kreuzfidele Kupferschmied) - music by C. Peter, 1890 6. Jesse James - sung by Harry McClintock 7. Billy Venero - sung by Harry McClintock 8. Texas Rangers - sung by Harry McClintock 9. Sam Bass - sung by Harry McClintock 10. Old Chisolm Trail - sung by Harry McClintock 11. Frankie and Johnny - Frank Crumit, 1927 12. I'm Bettin' the Roll on Roamer - Frank Crumit, 1930 13. Ida Red 14. O'Hooligan's Ball - Frank Crumit, 1928 15. Bury Me Not on the Lone Prairie 16. Punchin' the Dough 17. Red River Valley 18. Jack of All Trades - sung by Bud Billings 19. Roving Gambler Sheet music for "The King of Borneo" at the National Library of Australia. (They might have other Crumit songs.) Sheet music for "Jolly Coppersmith" at the Indiana University Sheet Music Collections. |
26 Dec 08 - 04:57 PM (#2525157) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so From: Artful Codger JOLLY COPPERSMITH C. Peter, 1890 1. I am the Jolly Coppersmith, / No one from care is free'r So long as I have cash / To treat myself to beer, I am the happiest man on earth / And sing both loud and long, While each stroke of my hammer keeps / Time to my jovial song. [ Wenn ich an meinem Ambos steh' und hämm're tüchtig d'rein, und wenn mir nicht fehlet klein' Geld zu Bier und Wein, dann bin ich der fidelste Mann, den man sich denken kann und singe dann zum Ambosschlag, so laut ich singen kann: ] [Chorus:] La la la la... 2. And while I mend the pots and pans, / My sweetheart passes by And peeps thro' the window / With looks so bright and shy, The sunshine of her glances makes / Me "happy as a king," I care for no one, no, not I, / And that is why I sing. [ Und schaut mein Schatz zum Fenster 'rein und lacht mich freundlich an, so bin ich auf Erden der kreuzfidelste Mann! Ihr Blick dringt mir wie Sonnenschein wohl in mein Herze dann, ich hämm're auf mein Kupfer fein so lang ich hämmern kann! ] 3. And when my long day's work is done, / The moments quickly pass, I sing to my sweetheart / And empty many a glass, Thus day by day the hours roll by, / To me dull care's a myth, I want no prouder title than / The Jolly Coppersmith! [ Und will sich mir die Sorge nah'n ich klopf' ihr tüchtig auf, und küsse mein Liebchen, und trink' ein Gläschen d'rauf! Nicht Noth noch Sorge macht mir bang! Ich sing' ein munt'res Lied und bleib' mein ganzes Leben lang der lust'ge Kupferschmied! ] source: sheet music scan at Indiana University |
26 Dec 08 - 05:17 PM (#2525167) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: katlaughing Thanks for pulling that all together, AC! And, for the lyrics. You should be receiving yours any day, now. I got your check and the info and lyrics plus tune! Thanks! I will plunk it out on my music keyboard this evening. If any of you have not received your CDs by the end of next week, please send me a PM. Thanks! |
19 Aug 09 - 03:22 AM (#2703606) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: Melissa With a family reunion in the Sandhills to look forward to (next year) I've been thinking a lot about green kool-aid, hollyhocks, asparagus hunting, branding time..and cowboys. These cds are providing a fine soundtrack for all that thinking. In this current round of listening, I got enchanted by 'for if your bovine goes lengthwise' when it caught my ear. It won't be long before I'm romping around singing "If Your Saddle is Good and Tight" Thanks again, Kat |
06 Jul 16 - 10:49 AM (#3799263) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: GUEST,James Barham Are you still making and selling the CD's of cowboy songs? If you are I would like to buy them. Thanks, James in Texas jamesbarham@gmail.com |
06 Jul 16 - 08:44 PM (#3799315) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: frogprince Guest James; I regret to tell you that Katlaughing, who was a mainstay of the Mudcat and the one who offered those recordings, passed away just short of three years ago. A bunch of us here still miss her. |
06 Jul 16 - 11:17 PM (#3799327) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: Louie Roy She was missed by all who knew her a wonderful person and a true friend Louie Roy |
16 May 18 - 11:39 AM (#3924945) Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs From: Lighter Much like Lomax's "Sam Bass" is the version appearing in the "Oregonian" of Portland (Apr. 1, 1917). It was "Contributed by George L. Foster, of Dryad, Washington." The only notable differences are: "a teamster for to be" "for he always drank 'red liquor'" "a wilder bunch of cowboys" "Joel Collins" "they quickly met their doom" "Four bolder, braver cowboys/ The ranchers never knew" "Now Sam he is a corpse,/ And 'Piper's' under clay" "And the only way he saw to win" "Oh, won't there be a roundup / When Gabriel blows his horn!" Lomax's final stanza is missing. The Oregonian calls the song "a Texas classic." |