BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!

03 Nov 04 - 09:41 AM (#1315166)
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From: Paco Rabanne

Welcome to the shortest thread ever!
             Flamenco, the true path!

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03 Nov 04 - 09:42 AM (#1315170)
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From: Kim C

Well, he has got the popular vote so far, with more votes than any other President in US history. I wonder how that sits with all the folks who complained about him not getting the popular vote last time?

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03 Nov 04 - 10:05 AM (#1315199)
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From: GUEST

*LOL* Ted!

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03 Nov 04 - 10:29 AM (#1315217)
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From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Well done Mr Bush, waht happend to Arnold Swarzhernegger ?
i thought he was going to be president, did he change his mind?

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03 Nov 04 - 10:31 AM (#1315223)
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From: Uncle_DaveO

Well, I won't pretend I'm happy with the situation, but assuming for the moment that the provisional votes in Ohio don't turn it around (fat chance), I guess he's won. At least we don't have the problem we've had in the last four years of a loser in the popular vote occupying the White House by questionable means.

Dave Oesterreich

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03 Nov 04 - 10:33 AM (#1315225)
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From: Peace

I wish I drank.

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03 Nov 04 - 10:34 AM (#1315228)
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From: Big Mick

That's OK, brucie. I will do it for you.

Mick

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03 Nov 04 - 10:34 AM (#1315229)
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From: Stu

Great.

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03 Nov 04 - 10:35 AM (#1315231)
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From: Paco Rabanne

jOhn,
    Arnold dropped out due to film commitments. He is appearing in Michael Moore's remake of Britneys "oops I did it again" I think...... could be wrong there.....

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03 Nov 04 - 10:42 AM (#1315239)
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From: dianavan

Well - at least nobody is really surprised. What do you expect from the biggest con man in North America. I mean, really, do you think they fixed the glitches in the Diebold machines? From what I understand, they didn't even try. I weep for America.

d

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03 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM (#1315251)
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From: GUEST

I think the fears over the Diebold machines simply didn't pan out. They worked fine.

Are you so paranoid about technology that you don't use ATM machines either?

Hey, where is Bobert? He seemed to be the only one who truly had his finger on the pulse! He nailed it with his prediction, didn't he?

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03 Nov 04 - 10:56 AM (#1315254)
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From: GUEST

Yes, it is true Liberace does have a metal cock

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03 Nov 04 - 10:58 AM (#1315257)
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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

Why weep?   Even though the odds are against Kerry pulling out Ohio, let the votes be counted before you start the funeral.   He has not flatlined yet.

There is no reason to weep. If anything good comes out of this, there is at least 49% of the country that woke up and passed on the Kool-Aid.   Bush will not have a mandate.   He will also be facing a country that will be watching closely.

Don't give up the fight. One election is no reason to crawl back into a hole.   There are battles to be won, or maybe I should say there are battles to be ONE. The war rages on, civil liberties are threatened, women's rights to choose are threatened, freedom of speech is threatened, lifestyle choices are threatened, the environment is threatened, the economy is in trouble, jobs are being farmed out and our children's future is being mortgaged. Is this the time to feel sorry for ourselves that we didn't get Bush out of office? Hell no, let's get back to work.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:00 AM (#1315258)
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From: GUEST

Put it this way Ron, how would you feel having a steel phallas

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03 Nov 04 - 11:00 AM (#1315261)
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From: muppett

Right can we get back to more important election matters, like who's going be the chair at the community centre I work at after their AGM next month, so far it looks like it's going to be the present chair.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:04 AM (#1315270)
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From: DougR

I'm super happy. Bush wins, the Republicans pick up seats in the House and the Senate!

DougR

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03 Nov 04 - 11:06 AM (#1315272)
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From: greg stephens

Funny really. People have been explaining for years on Mudcat that voting for Bush was stupid and evil. Really clever people, with univesrity degrees and everything, have been explaining how stupid and ungrammatical Bush is, and they have been saying it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over agin.
And look what happens, really stupid people in American havent listened to their betters at all, but have voted him in again. Now how can you explain that? It baffles me. Do you think it is possible some of those stupid and evil voters are a teensy bit bolshy, have no respect for grammatical experts at all. and dont always do what their betters tell them?

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03 Nov 04 - 11:07 AM (#1315273)
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From: GUEST

I fell your missing the point somewhat, higher taxation on rare and metallic goods will obviously bring shortfall onto liberaces carbonite winky

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03 Nov 04 - 11:10 AM (#1315277)
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From: Grab

All I can say is I'm glad I don't live in London or Birmingham, or in SF/NY/LA/DC/any other large US city, or anywhere else that's a likely target for suicide bombers. Re-election will give Bush the nudge to do what the hell he likes, and Blair will likely follow him. So the Middle East is going to go further to hell, and chances are that some of the hell is going to come back to roost. I'm also glad no-one close to me is in the military.

Ah well, in 4 years time the war in Iraq will have just about bankrupted the US morally and politically, same as Vietnam did.

Graham.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:14 AM (#1315284)
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From: GUEST,Liberace

The American people have just endorsed Bushs madness, he'll be stronger and more powerful to stop this time, he'll find the holy grail, become immortal and take over the galaxy. I fear the Kwaglons are next, Mars will burn and the laughter of thirsting gods will ring for eternity.

P.S I do not have a metallic cock, it is now plastic due to the cost of maintenance.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:16 AM (#1315288)
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From: GUEST

Hey, if nobody else is willing to say it, let me, evil anonymoose guest say it: congratulations DougR!

And pity the nation and world.

But Ron O...speaking of drinking the kool aid. What the hell have you been drinking? Are you this cheerful because you are in denial that Bush/Cheney won?

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03 Nov 04 - 11:16 AM (#1315289)
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From: Clinton Hammond

Does it matter one way or the other?

I think not...

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03 Nov 04 - 11:18 AM (#1315291)
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From: GUEST

Is that true Liberace, that your trouser-sanke is now plastic, well theres a turn up for the books.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:23 AM (#1315299)
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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

No guest, I am not in denial. Bush will probably win the whole thing. I am happy that 49% of the population saw through the lies and made their voice heard. America has been living in a conservative vacuum since Reagan.   The only voices have been right-wing and the public was lulled into a sense of safety that doesn't exist.   People are seeing through it.

I am not happy at all that Bush will probably be in office for 4 more years. It would have been easier to create the changes we need with him out of office.   Just because there is a roadblock, it doesn't mean I am getting back in my car and heading for home. The roadblock is an obstacle that can be worked around.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:31 AM (#1315303)
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From: GUEST

riddle me this, riddle me that, the position of Uranus in conjuction with the holy buffoon spells disaster for all homosapiens except the men of greenalnd who with hearty rage and loud guffaw will face extinction with warm acceptence

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03 Nov 04 - 11:44 AM (#1315320)
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From: GUEST

*If* Bush wins? Are you serious? Kerry is going to concede the thing some time this afternoon.

For me, the silver lining to all this is that the Anybody But Bush, lesser of two evils Republicrat electoral strategy of the Democratic party has been soundly trounced. Question now is, what percent of that 49% will keep drinking from the Anybody But Bush koolaid fountain, and how many of 'em will wake up and smell the coffee.

Nader in 2008!

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03 Nov 04 - 11:47 AM (#1315326)
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From: Stilly River Sage

Bush Wins - - - America Loses

Makes us sitting ducks, it does, to have a fool in the White House for four more years. Nothing has changed, and it will only get worse. The only good thing out of this--Bush will soon enough be a lame duck. Ha!

SRS

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03 Nov 04 - 11:54 AM (#1315335)
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From: Kim C

Now let's see how many of the celebrities who said they'd leave the country actually do. ;-)

It was a really close election. A LOT of people voted, and that's a remarkable thing. A LOT of people wanted a change, and they simply got outvoted - but not by much.

I hope more people will be encouraged to participate in the political process more often. That is the ONLY way anything will ever change.

Maybe it's just because I'm an Invisible Middle Classer, but my adult life has remained pretty much the same, regardless of who's President - because so much of that depends on ME. The President isn't going to get me a dream job. The President isn't going to buy me a house. The President isn't going to help me get through grad school. My financial situation stays pretty much the same, tax cut or no tax cut.

So on a personal level, who's the President doesn't really make much difference to me. But I vote anyway.

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03 Nov 04 - 11:56 AM (#1315336)
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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

Kerry just conceded.

The fight begins anew.   Guest, I know you are on a kick about third parties, and Nader in particular.   You won't listen to our reasons why we do not care for Nader and why a third party will never work in this country.   We can affect change in this country, and I applaud Nader and the rest for bringing issues to the front. It is up to us to work within the parties to create the changes that will actually take place.

We weren't "soundly trounced". You can put that spin on it if you like, but it just is not the case.   We made a difference, not big enough, but we were heard and we will be heard from.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:11 PM (#1315352)
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From: Big Mick

Yeah, Ron, but I will tell you one thing. When you factor in the fact that this was a razor tight election, that more people voted than ever before, that we had a clear choice for the first time in a long time ... it pretty well demonstrates that the Kerry and Democratic activists, organizations like MoveOn, had a much bigger impact on the American political process than megalomaniacal candidates like Nader ever have. It is my opinion that folks understand the need to work from within to effect change, as opposed to being an outsider in the process. I saw people waited 10 to 11 hours to vote.

I find it interesting that the gay marriage issue surfaced in a number of States, and that there were other divisive ballot iniatives in battleground States. The gaming issue in Michigan comes to mind. Could this be a new form of "wedge" tactic? Where one has a candidate that is suffering in image, the party creates other issues that will cause people to go with their candidate?

The last issue that the Dems need to take a very close look at. All polling shows that morality is a huge issue. Even though I supported him, this is Clinton's legacy. Like it or not, at this juncture in history people want to believe in the morality of the candidate.

Mick

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03 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM (#1315361)
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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

I agree with you Big Mick! Well put. My feeling with any third party candidate is that they do bring issues to the public, but as we witnessed in 2000, they can also screw up an election.

Kerry had an amazing impact on this country.

What was missed, in early reports at least, is that the youth vote did not come out in the big numbers that were expected.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM (#1315362)
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From: Don Firth

The idea that "America has spoken" is not quite accurate. Slightly more that half voted for Bush. The rest voted for Kerry. That's a lot of people.

(Sorry, GUEST. Nader didn't even raise a hickey on this one.)

Not to early to start workin' on 2008.

Don Firth

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03 Nov 04 - 12:15 PM (#1315363)
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From: Once Famous

I enjoyed those thoughts, Big Mick

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03 Nov 04 - 12:18 PM (#1315369)
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From: GUEST

Still delusional, eh Ron? Well, you are a party man, so of course I'm not surprised at your positive spin on what is a major blow to your party.

But Ron, eventually you are going to be forced to deal with the independents in this country, 27% of registered votes in my state for instance, instead of ignore us and keep pandering to the conservative Democrats and the Republican right.

Like I said, you can keep sucking on your Republicrat koolaid, or you can wake up and smell the coffee.

Your man, your party, your strategy, was trounced. The most decisive victory in a presidential election in years. Hell, Bush even managed to beat the non-voters and squeak out a majority victory! They managed to throw the Republicrat leader of the Senate out on his ass! The Republicans will get to appoint at least one justice to the Supreme Court. The Republicans are likely going to win more tax cuts, could even possibly get their horrific energy package passed.

And you are spinning this like none of that matters!@?

Maybe you should join Amos on vacation, Ron. I'm quite certain of one thing. The Monday morning quarterbacking in the Republicrat ranks ain't gonna be pretty. The country isn't nearly as divided as the Democratic party is. You can't keep ignoring your traditional base and win elections, no matter how much oligarchy money the party fat cats get to take to the bank.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:24 PM (#1315376)
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From: Big Mick

More of the same from this GUEST. While I agree that voters in general have a much more independent streak that before, this really means that they are more willing to cross party lines than their desire to abandon the two party system. Unless we went to a parliamentary system, having a dozen parties would only serve to increase the problem, not cure it. This is because there would not be the ability to create bloc's in the manner of Canada and Great Britain.

Ron, I would prefer you to those that only decry the current parties. They never have solutions, rather they usually just complain about what is wrong. Their appeal is limited and is usually just a blip, such as with Nader and Perot.

Mick

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03 Nov 04 - 12:26 PM (#1315378)
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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

Guest, you are making a great example of why people are turned off by Nader.   You resort to name calling and throwing out one-liners when you can't make a point. Little children are usually given a timeout for such behavior.

You are not much of an "independent". You are more of an autocrat then the parties you are knocking. Any view that differs from yours is automatically ignored. You even refuse to open dialogue, as I have suggested above.

Thankfully, you are not refective of what most TRUE independents are all about.

I never said this wasn't a "major blow". I just said it isn't the end of the road.   This isn't a ballgame where you have a winner and a loser. This game doesn't end in the 9th inning, it continues. We keep moving on and making changes, something you haven't been able to see.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:35 PM (#1315389)
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From: Big Mick

You even refuse to open dialogue, as I have suggested above.


Spot on, Ron. I have tried, to no avail, to open dialogue with this person. I am not sure where the bitterness comes from (none of my business really) but it precludes building any bridges. It is a shame because I feel like if we could get by it, there would be some great debate. But it is not possible for this person.

Mick

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03 Nov 04 - 12:37 PM (#1315392)
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From: George Papavgeris

I'm opening book on how long before Cheney takes over.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:38 PM (#1315394)
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From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

Mick, there will always be people like this guest.   He or she ends up polarizing or turning off people from its messag.   I do think the rest of us can ignore the rhetoric and really understand each other and work for change.

We will never please everyone, but we can move closer to understanding each other.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:40 PM (#1315397)
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From: ard mhacha

Kerry is a very lucky man not having to inherit the chaos that Bush and his henchemen would have left him.
So we will see within the next four years, Bin Laden defeated, the Arab world conqured and made to do the USA`s bidding, aye, and Ian Paisley will be urbining it urbi from St Peters.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:44 PM (#1315406)
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From: Big Mick

That will be interesting, Ard. That is the question just now. Because of not being able to be re-elected again, the President has little to lose. It is usually the case that Presidents, in their second term, concentrate on legacy building. The seek to build consensus and work for international recognition. I don't think that will be the case this time. My guess is that Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al will seek to stamp their xenophobic and conservative views on US society in a way that will not be undone for years.

Mick

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03 Nov 04 - 12:51 PM (#1315414)
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From: ard mhacha

Mick, i`m afraid you are right, Thatcher and her cronies did the same in the UK and there has been no noticeable changearound under Blair.

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03 Nov 04 - 12:58 PM (#1315419)
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From: GUEST,Clint Keller

Jeez, greg, sore losers are bad enough; do you have to be a sore winner?

clint

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03 Nov 04 - 01:08 PM (#1315428)
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From: GUEST

The progressive left will rise to the occassion, of that I have no doubts. The Republicrats? Bye bye. The progressive left, very soon won't be listening to you anymore, and the Republican fascists sure as shit ain't gonna talk or listen to you.

So you can all whistle "Dixie" as you ride into the sunset. Your days are officially over.

Long live Wellstone. Nader in 2008.

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03 Nov 04 - 01:12 PM (#1315434)
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From: GUEST

no not nader nader is nothing but a egomaniac who accepts right wing help to get on the ballots.


Barack Obama in 2008.

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03 Nov 04 - 01:14 PM (#1315437)
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From: GUEST

Now there's a good laugh Guest 1:12. They'll run either Edwards or Hilary in 2008. Barak ain't on the horizon until at least 2012.

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03 Nov 04 - 01:19 PM (#1315445)
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From: GUEST,amergin

no, putting hillary on would be suicide in and of itself, because of the stigma her name already carries. In order to win the dems will most likely want an Edwards/Obama ticket. They are the only things going for them right now.

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03 Nov 04 - 01:33 PM (#1315455)
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From: Richard Bridge

God help America.

God help the rest of the world.

And I don't even believe in a single omnipotent being, although I am sort of vaguely theist in general.

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03 Nov 04 - 01:38 PM (#1315459)
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From: GUEST

Well, the omens all predicted a Kerry win.

So I guess it's back to the drawing board for the superstitious and the religious, eh? Maybe "God" is trying to tell the Democrats to get a freakin' backbone and start acting like the Democrats who took it to the streets back in the 1960s and early 70s for civil rights, women's rights, environmental justice, an end to class warfare, and to end the war in Vietnam--instead of acquiescing the whole shooting match to the Republican Republicrat wing of the party election after election?

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03 Nov 04 - 01:58 PM (#1315482)
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From: Louie Roy

For what it is worth let's look back into history.In WW-2 the USA kicked the Japs ass the Germans ass rescued France,Italy, Russia,Spain and several other Europeon countries from the Germans and then gave million of dollars to the Germans and the Japs to rebuild and become a developing country again,but when the USA asked the UN for help fighting terroism all of these countries voted against us and did everything in their power to defeat President Bush in this election.Now just maybe they will get their head out of their ass and support the USA.I was born and raised a Democrat,but their was no way I could vote for Kerry for what he and Jane Fonda pulled in 1970,and in my opinion if it wouldn't have been for Henry Fonda pulling a lot of political strings both of these people would have been arrested and tried for treason as a traitor to the USA.Call me bull headed ,but I haven't watched a Jane Fonda movie since then and I know there are million of veterans from WW-2 Korean War and the Vietam War that feels the same way.I spent 4 years in the service in WW-2 to make sure I or my family didn't have to learn Japaneese or German and I had 3 boys who also served 3 years in the Vietanam coflict.

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03 Nov 04 - 02:25 PM (#1315507)
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From: Nerd

GUEST 03 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM writes

I think the fears over the Diebold machines simply didn't pan out. They worked fine.

The problem is, GUEST, that there is no way to tell if this is true or not. The problems anticipated with the Diebold machines would be undetectable.

In fact, the only symptom would be exit polls that don't match the machine tallies...which is exactly what we saw.

I hope, for the sake of getting to the bottom of the Diebold issue, that someone studies the following question: were the discrpancies between exit polls and election results significantly greater when touch-screen vote machines were used? If so, we have a problem.

It's too late for such a study to affect this election, of course. Like last time, Bush won...but this time he did so more convincingly. Could it have been jimmied? Unfortunately, yes it could.

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03 Nov 04 - 02:41 PM (#1315520)
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From: GUEST

I agree Nerd. But any voting system can be jimmied. Do I believe that voter fraud had enough of an impact to throw the election to Bush? No, I don't.

Here is the thing. As long as nostalgia for "tradition" reigns, the US is going to continue with these idiotic elections. There is no reason why we don't have ATM style, receipt producing voting machines aren't being used in every single polling place across the US. None whatsoever, except this nostalgia for states' voting "traditions" and the fears of the luddite faction of the boomer generation, which is not be underestimated.

It is just ridiculous. I'm not saying that technology can solve all our electoal problems or even the problems of vote counting.

I just wish people were half as obsessed with the levels of graft and corruption of the political system in the US by the global capitalist lobbyist/appointee bureaucrat revolving door, as they are with measley voter fraud and count malfunctions. Then I might think there was hope for the US after all.

But as it is, and especially in the wake of all the progressive left has given up just to lose this election, I'm not exactly holding my breath that the boomer Republicrats who claim to be so progressive to have a born again experience with election technology!

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03 Nov 04 - 02:47 PM (#1315526)
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From: Peace

The Neocons won. Yippee.

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03 Nov 04 - 03:35 PM (#1315580)
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From: Bill D

"Be careful what you wish vote for, you might get it."

we shall see how happy those who voted for Bush are in 3-4 years.

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03 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM (#1315657)
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From: Kim C

The only way the exit polls could match the machine tallies is if EVERY single person who voted was polled EVERY single time. Nobody polled me.

And besides, we all know how biased "polls" can be.

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03 Nov 04 - 05:39 PM (#1315687)
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From: GUEST,Claymore

Big Mick, I know you are right even if you are disappointed. The Clinton legacy was most felt here in West VA, which has now gone Republican twice since U.S. Grant. And hey, all the people I voted for won. A Dem, Joe Machin for Governor, a Repub for the House (no Senators in the race) and a couple of local folks for local offices (Repub and Dems). I hit the Trifecta.

And for the next election I'm betting on McCain and Guliani against Hillary and who? And while I have almost always split my ticket, I have watched the past forty years of my voting life where I was the only Republican I knew in Virginia, evolve into most of the areas around me, are voting with me (or I with them). I once wrote in a thread about Reagans death, that "he gave me my country back" and I firmly believe it's true. It's sad to think that while I believe that the country is moving towards the light, some (and a fair number on the MudCat) feel we are falling into the dark.

The President doesn't take your jobs or give you jobs. YOU get fired or hired. The only outsourcing I see in the Nation is the blame that people need to accept for themselves. As a Vocation Manager at my Job Corps Center I get jobs for students (whom we have given GEDs and Vocational training) every day, and many at excellent wages. The work doesn't come to you; you go to it.

A question I always ask: Someone please tell me just one thing that Clinton did to get the good economy he enjoyed during his Presidency; just one thing!

Now a second question; How many terrorist acts have we suffered in the US after 9/11? And the worst thing that Osama has done to us since then is a video?

So get a grip people... or get out of the way...

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03 Nov 04 - 09:24 PM (#1315908)
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From: GUEST,Bocephus

Bush ain't exactly the brightest bulb on the tree but he won't burn out and leave you in the dark.

He is like one of those low wattage longer lasting bulbs.

Dependable.

Bo

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03 Nov 04 - 09:26 PM (#1315910)
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From: dianavan

Yeah - Bush wins a polarized country. You don't think he will allow any of you uppity intellectuals to organize any opposition do you? When I said, I weep, I meant it. I weep for your civil liberties, I weep for the lies you will futher endure, I weep for your soldiers fighting for greed, I weep for the people of the middle east, I weep for the supreme court. Most of all I weep because I fear you will experience terror from both inside and outside the country.

I do not weep for Kerry. At least now Bush will end up wearing whatever destruction he reaps. He will have to live with the consequences of his actions. Unfortunately, so will the U.S. population which includes an innocent 49%.

d

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03 Nov 04 - 09:44 PM (#1315923)
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From: GUEST,Bocephus

I kept hearing Kerry and Edwards yelling about fighting for votes.

Why can't they just earn them? Sounds warlike to me.

All that yelling and wrong wrong wrong crap is what polarized the country.

BO

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03 Nov 04 - 09:49 PM (#1315930)
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From: Little Hawk

This thread makes me think immediately of William Shatner (may he be thrice blessed!). Go now to WilliamShatner.com and repent ye wayward sinners! :-)

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03 Nov 04 - 09:54 PM (#1315933)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Ron Davies

Very few people, including Kerry, opposed the attack on the Taliban--in fact it had broad international approval also. It's likely, though obviously we will never know, that any president would have done something similar. I believe it likely that that attack helped forestall any further successful attack on the US so far. But the last phrase is the problem.

So far.

Bush's attack on Iraq has, as Kerry said over and over, been a distraction from the war on terrorism.

In fact, worse than that, it's been a needless recruiting assist for Osama and any other terrorist--the more civilian casualties, the more terrrorists, as I've said before.

You may think it's great that we're getting videos, from that reclusive film-maker, Osama. But it isn't long since our sheriff was going to bring in that outlaw "dead or alive".   Somehow he lost the wanted poster.

Added to which, from what I've read, Osama is not the CEO of Terrorism, Inc.   It's more like a series of small businesses, with little or no connection to him.

And more civilian casualties, by stimulating donors ("Now, give generously"), provide both the seed money and the manpower for these businesses.

So satisfaction with the current state is to put it mildly, not justified.




Greg Stephens (11:06 AM)-------


Pray tell, what is your point?


You think it's just fine that "the people" have spoken, and the rest of us (about 49%) should just accept it without quibble?   What did you think when "the people" voted in Thatcher over and over?   I understand there was in fact some dissension--I've heard the word "riots" mentioned.   Any truth to that?

You think there's no problem that emotion, particularly fear, has triumphed over reason?

It doesn't bother you that Bush voters are spectacularly ignorant of the world and specifically of the international issues we are dealing with here? (consider the postings of Mudcat Bushites)

Some Kerry supporters, including me, were fully aware that Bush's grammatical flaws and verbal faux pas were seen as a positive by lots of people who identified with him in this ---"I do that sort of thing too".

I even told several posters an "all-powerful demon" theory is not useful, that religion
deserved some respect, and the "true believers" would be out in droves for Bush.

Fractured syntax in a president doesn't bother me overmuch. A stubborn refusal to consider any facts which don't fit with the president's preconceived Manichean view of the world does bother me.

And, I submit, it should bother you too.

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03 Nov 04 - 10:11 PM (#1315943)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Ooh-Aah2

As an Australian resident I am SO relieved.

Americans are even more fucked in the head than we are.

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04 Nov 04 - 07:37 AM (#1316252)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,David Edwards

"Now let's see how many of the celebrities who said they'd leave the country actually do. ;-)"

Where will they go? Sadly The Bush administration affects the whole world, not just America.


"Barack Obama in 2008."

From his website:

"Barack Obama has spent a lifetime fighting effectively to empower working families and the poor - as community organizer, civil rights attorney and a leader in the Illinois Senate. He has brought new ideas and approaches in pursuit of traditional Democratic ideals to make a real difference for people -- from better schools to affordable health care to criminal justice reform."

This man is far too sensible and caring to be voted in. He isn't a religious zealot nor is he involved in the oil industry. He has no chance.

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04 Nov 04 - 08:07 AM (#1316271)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Paco Rabanne

ooh.... none of you are pleased then? I think I will leave to focus on other things for a bit then!

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04 Nov 04 - 08:46 AM (#1316312)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,David Edwards

Good idea Ted. Go and flamenco yourself...

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04 Nov 04 - 08:52 AM (#1316318)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Paco Rabanne

The best man won.

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04 Nov 04 - 09:08 AM (#1316333)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: David Edwards

"The best man won"

The best man usually screws the bridesmaid, not the entire world.

You do know that Bush thinks flamenco dancing is the work of the devil, and is practiced by the followers of satan.

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04 Nov 04 - 09:10 AM (#1316334)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Paco Rabanne

I will try that next time I go to a wedding.

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04 Nov 04 - 09:12 AM (#1316335)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: David Edwards

Don't tell the wife...

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04 Nov 04 - 09:24 AM (#1316358)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Bocephus

Has anyone pondered the fact that when the terrorists are massing their forces and attacking in Iraq, they are not attacking here?

Here we have a legal system to protect them from being caught and punished.

In Iraq there is no protection for them. No trial, no report to file.

I think it is better to fight them there even if they keep comming and coming. They will wise up when a democracy takes root.

Yes it is a grand diversion for the terrorists.

Go ahead. Make my day.

BO

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04 Nov 04 - 09:33 AM (#1316367)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: kendall

Anyone who thinks we can lick terrorism by killing 100,000 Iraquis' is an idiot.

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04 Nov 04 - 09:35 AM (#1316371)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Paco Rabanne

Lets bomb the French too, never liked them much.

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04 Nov 04 - 10:57 AM (#1316475)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Kim C

"You do know that Bush thinks flamenco dancing is the work of the devil, and is practiced by the followers of satan."

Really? Please provide documentation. Otherwise, you're just spreading silly rumors.

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04 Nov 04 - 11:28 AM (#1316518)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: David Edwards

Sorry Kim, I can't provide documentation as this information is top secret. I shouldn't have made it known on this site really. The CIA will be on my case now. We should all be dancing with devil in protest.

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04 Nov 04 - 02:00 PM (#1316693)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Little Hawk

You're right, Bocephalus, the "terrorists" ARE attacking in Iraq...they're attacking with Abrams tanks, Blackhawk helicopters, F-16's, that sort of thing. The American soldiers, I mean. They are the terrorists in Iraq.

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04 Nov 04 - 02:53 PM (#1316748)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Justa Picker

Great.
Another 4 years of whining and character assassinations and bullshit conspiracy theories about Bush, here in bleeding heart liberal country.

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04 Nov 04 - 03:03 PM (#1316754)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Once Famous

Justa, they have nothing better to do. they are whining babies because they can't funtion in mainstream America, and though they try to hide it, many of them are frustrated with themselves.

So, they whine and cry and blame it on the government because of their own inadequacies. Shitty job. A lousy car or no car. Credit card debt up the yingyang, etc.

JUST THE USUAL FEELING OF ENTITLEMENT!!

Be prepared for on-going sour grapes from them. Their arguements have more holes than Swiss cheese and they will embarass themselves by logging off and attacking you as a guest.

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04 Nov 04 - 03:03 PM (#1316755)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Nerd

From: Kim C - PM
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM

The only way the exit polls could match the machine tallies is if EVERY single person who voted was polled EVERY single time. Nobody polled me.

And besides, we all know how biased "polls" can be.

KimC, you are wrong and this post displays stunning ignorance of statistics. Exit polls will match machine tallies if the same PERCENTAGE of people went for each candidate among the polling sample as among the voters. This is usually pretty easy to achieve. Because the order of voters, the willingness of voters to disclose their votes, and other things that affect the outcome of exit polls, are usually random, and other factors (number registered to each party) are known and can be controlled for, exit polls are usually quite accurate. This time I understand they were considerably less accurate than normal.

As for bias, typically in an exit poll if you were biased you would want to overreport the other candidate's numbers. This would make his supporters feel that it was less crucial to vote, while making your own candidate's supporters think it was MORE crucial to vote, suppressing his turnout and increasing yours. So if the exit polls show Bush losing and the election results show him winning, then two options are

1) the exit polls were jimmied for Bush.
2) the election results were jimmied for Bush.

The other options are

3) there was some unforseen regularity to the voting patterns eg. Bush voters voted later in the day on average)
4) by random chance, the sample was skewed toward Kerry voters.

As any pollster will tell you, #4 is the LEAST likely reason to have a discrepancy!

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04 Nov 04 - 03:19 PM (#1316772)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Larry K

Obama is already being considered for president in 2008 and he has not spend one day in office yet.    Maybe we should wait to see how he governs before annointing him president.

No- that would be much too radical an idea.

I wonder how people feel who supported Nader/Kucinich/Dean in principle, but voted for Kerry as pragmatists?   They sold out and still lost.    Seems like a bittle pill to me.

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04 Nov 04 - 03:32 PM (#1316781)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Little Hawk

Hey, Justa, don't worry about it...we can always agree on Martin guitars and stuff like that. I was down to the 12th Fret the other day and played some beauties...particularly a smaller size Santa Cruz and one Larrivee. Saw Don Bray too. I wonder if you know him.

Sorry for the digression....but you know how it is with folkies and guitars.

Martin, come on! I've got a great car, the ideal job, and no debts at all. Man, I am so happy and contented up here in Liberal-land that I could bust out singing right now! :-) Bush - "I'm a Texas Tiger, you're a liberal weiner....next Kerry - "You can't say 'nuclear', that really scares me, sometimes a brain can, come in quite handy"...etc... (I sing both parts, Bush & Kerry, just to be fair.)

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04 Nov 04 - 03:44 PM (#1316796)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: DougR

GUEST The progressive left DID rise to the occasion! One thing neither party can be faulted for is NOT getting out the vote. It has always seemed queer to me that the progressive left appears to be under the impression that their POV ACTUALLY represents the thinking and belief of the majority in the U. S. Even after losing elections! That simply isn't true. If it were, John Kerry would be the president elect. Assuming that the progressive left owns the franchise on education and knowledge is, IMO, pure lunacy.

Kim: I rarely disagree with your postings, but describing Bush's margin of victory as small or thin simply is not the case. Bush won decisevely, both the Popular vote, AND the Electorial College.

Many Mudcatters spent the last four years proclaiming that Gore ACTUALLY won the election in 2000 because he won the popular vote. Well, George Bush just got more popular votes than any other person ever elected president of the United States, including Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. Why do you suppose that is? IMO it is because more people approve of his leadership than disapprove. The result of the election is proof of that.

I believe that the only way for the progressive left to make a real impact on American politics is to establish a third party. The Democrats, I believe, are smart enough to realize that if they are ever going to regain power, they are going to have to cut the progressive left loose to fend for itself. The Democratic Party will get tired of being used by the "lefties" who promote a philosophy that has the same chance of succeeding with the American people, as does the proverbial snowball in hell.

And Nerd: If the exit polls were jimmied for Bush, why did the early reports favor Kerry so heavily? It appeared for a few hours after the first exit polls were reported that Kerry was going to sweep the election! There have been suggestions that these early reports be investigated, perhaps even by the Congress. I doubt that will happen, but I'll bet that the pool of media networks that paid for will do so.

DougR

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04 Nov 04 - 03:49 PM (#1316809)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Once Famous

Nerd, c'mon. It's just fingerpointing with nothing to substantiate it.

don't ever use that strategy in court.

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04 Nov 04 - 03:56 PM (#1316818)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Kim C

Doug, you are right, but since I am obviously ignorant about statistics, I see a 51/49% division as being pretty close, although in the scheme of things, that 2% counts for MILLIONS of votes. Of course, I could be wrong, because I can't count.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that polls are pretty much crap, no matter how you slice them. Pollsters frequently ask questions a certain way to ensure they get a certain answer. Or at least that's what I saw on the news once.

Anyhow, the fact of the matter is that Bush won. He won because more people voted for him than the other guy. More people voted for him than the other guy, because more people wanted him to be President, for whatever reason.

Now then... we can continue to harp about it, and foster divisiveness, or we can go forward and foster unity. The choice is ours.

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04 Nov 04 - 04:06 PM (#1316827)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Nerd

That's the point exactly, DougR. You didn't read my post. If you wanted to Jimmy the exit polls to help Bush you would report Kerry winning. That would suppress the Kerry vote and increase the Bush vote as people used the polls to decide whether their vote was needed.

I don't think your analysis is accurate either. I do think you're right that the left wing does not represent American values, but neither does the right wing. What is winning for Bush right now is message more than substance. There are many "moral values" that do not involve the genitalia, but they are never invoked in campaigns...Bush and the Republicans have successfully made "moral values" code for marital fidelity, heterosexuality, and opposition to abortion, when it could just as well mean other things. The Democrats need to articulate a message that is simple but powerful and that unifies its grand themes.

Slate has a good suggestion!

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04 Nov 04 - 04:15 PM (#1316836)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Janus

Anyone who thinks we killied 100,000 Iraquis is an idiot.

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04 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM (#1316842)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Figaro

Little Hawk is so fucked up he thinks like a terrorist.

Maybe he is a terrorist.

Get Ashcroft on the line.

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04 Nov 04 - 04:44 PM (#1316870)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Kim C

Nerd, there's no need to be a meanyboots. What I said about seeing it on TV once was meant to be humorous.

I actually work with statistics in my job for the purposes of grant reports. I have Statistics for Dummies on my desk. I have actually read it. I'm not an expert in numbers, but I am not completely ignorant either. The one thing I am certain of is that statistics are easy to manipulate. I think everyone knows that.

I can only speak for myself, but I use the expression "pretty" or "pretty much" out of politeness, to avoid seeming like a total bitch. Obviously, that is unnecessary. So I'll say it bluntly:

Polls are crap. Everyone knows it. People who actually allow themselves to be influenced by the opinion of a total stranger, especially regarding a matter as important as electing a President, have their heads firmly up their asses. I do not trust polls on general principle, and "usually accurate" exit polls are no exception.

I voted early and did not rely on any poll of public opinion to help me make my decision. I visited the websites of both Bush and Kerry, and the Libertarian party, and carefully read each candidate's platform. I watched the news. I paid attention to what they were saying, and what they didn't say. I got information. Only then did I make a decision about who I wanted to vote for. Polls were not a factor.

Now then - early voting. How possible is it that the number of people who voted early across the US might have skewed the exit polls, considering they wouldn't have been included?

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04 Nov 04 - 05:00 PM (#1316882)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Nerd

KimC

Sorry to be meanyboots, but we're not talking about letting your opinion be influenced by a poll, which I agree is dumb. We're talking about an exit poll, which is different. All you're asking is who the person voted for, and the only reason is to find out who they voted for. It's the simplest kind of poll, is usually very accurate, and is not "crap" at all.

It IS possible that early voting could have affected these polls...but early voters could easily have been included. I don't know if they were or not, but that would be one question to ask. If they were not asked, the next step would be to look at the early votes and see if they heavily favored Bush. If so, that could explain the discrepancy. If not, it could not explain the discrepancy, and other explanations should be looked for. But someone should actually DO this, not just speculate about it.

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04 Nov 04 - 06:21 PM (#1316968)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Little Hawk

I'm just more outspoken than most, Figaro. You could find any number of ordinary people in most countries in the World today who have the same opinions as I do, but you won't hear about it on your controlled American media. I am not interested in soft-pedaling my real opinions on this forum. You guys need the shock of hearing something different to snap you out of your dreamworld.

I am no danger to you whatsoever, but Ashcroft is. That's what's so sad about it.

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04 Nov 04 - 06:58 PM (#1317005)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: DougR

Nerd: Saleton makes some very good points in that article.

I see your point about puffing up the exist polls, but believe that it also could have discouraged Bush supporters from going to the polls. "If Kerry has already won, why should I bother."

DougR

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04 Nov 04 - 09:57 PM (#1317137)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Clint Keller

"Now a second question; How many terrorist acts have we suffered in the US after 9/11?"

I always like that question. No attacks, hardly. Maybe a little anthrax, but Bush has kept most of us safe. And he's kept us safe from man-eating tigers; we haven't had any of them in the yard since 9/11. And no Venusian Slime-People, he's kept them away.

I thought he had kept us protected from Flying Monkeys, but Bobert and brucie tell me that we were indeed attacked by them. I must have slept through it.

But 3 out of four ain't bad.

clint

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04 Nov 04 - 10:11 PM (#1317157)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: DougR

I think one must consider the condition of brucie and Bobert when they were attacked by Monkies. Perhaps a bit too much Jack of the Daniels?

DougR

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04 Nov 04 - 11:55 PM (#1317232)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Clint Keller

I don't know. Taking the juice of a quart of whisky is an established folk remedy for lots of things. I wouldn't
want to knock it.

clint

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05 Nov 04 - 12:33 AM (#1317256)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Little Hawk

One should not be hasty in judging such matters.

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05 Nov 04 - 03:58 AM (#1317383)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Paco Rabanne

96

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05 Nov 04 - 08:01 AM (#1317569)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Kim C

All right then, Nerd. Fair enough. Thanks for the spirited debate. :-)

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05 Nov 04 - 08:18 AM (#1317584)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: s6k

Bollocks!

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05 Nov 04 - 08:18 AM (#1317585)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: s6k

69!!!

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05 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM (#1317586)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: s6k

POST NUMBER 100!!! I thank you!

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05 Nov 04 - 03:09 PM (#1318102)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,GUEST Osama bin Laden

Well i couldn't be happier about it.

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05 Nov 04 - 04:14 PM (#1318172)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Frank

Bush did not really win. He and his minions, Blackwell, Jeb, Wally Odell stole the election and tried to suppress the votes. It's unAmerican.

The black box voting was a big scam and people fell for it.

Frank

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05 Nov 04 - 05:43 PM (#1318262)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Kim C

Please provide documentation for your assertion.

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05 Nov 04 - 06:41 PM (#1318320)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: *Laura*

america is once again led by a man still convinved that the French have no word for entrepreneur.

Oh. God.

xLx

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09 Nov 04 - 11:57 AM (#1321537)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: s6k

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09 Nov 04 - 12:00 PM (#1321538)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: chris nightbird childs

Well Kim, it's just like a lot of American conspiracies, they hide things so well that you can't prove 'em... It's the American Way.

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09 Nov 04 - 12:07 PM (#1321547)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,TIA

Election oddity evidence is not complete by a long shot, but start here. If we dont' look into this and dispel (or confirm) all notions of tampering, US elections will quickly become banana republic cheating free-for-alls.

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09 Nov 04 - 04:22 PM (#1321860)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Greg F.

How many terrorist acts have we suffered in the US after 9/11?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

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09 Nov 04 - 04:25 PM (#1321864)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Once Famous

Frank said:

"Bush did not really win. He and his minions, Blackwell, Jeb, Wally Odell stole the election and tried to suppress the votes. It's unAmerican"

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

You make a fool of yourself, Frank.

It's just so damn funny!

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09 Nov 04 - 05:28 PM (#1321919)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: GUEST,Leakyboat Louis

Well America, you've had your little joke and elected him again. It's time to face the consequences...
To the citizens of the United States of America :-

In the light of your failure to elect a proper President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The Right Horrible Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour', skipping the letter 'U' is nothing more than laziness on your part. Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters. You will end your love affair with the letter 'Z' (pronounced 'zed' not 'zee' and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by the suffix "ise". You will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g. Edinburgh. You are welcome to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you can't cope with correct pronunciation. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed". There will be no more 'bleeps' in the Jerry Springer show. If you're not old enough to cope with bad language then you shouldn't have chat shows. When you learn to develop your vocabulary then you won't have to use bad language as often.

2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize".

3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to Cockney, upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). You will also have to learn how to understand regional accents - Scottish dramas such as "Taggart" will no longer be broadcast with subtitles. While we're talking about regions, you must learn that there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is "Devon". If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become "shires" e.g. Texasshire, Floridashire, Louisianashire.

4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys. Hollywood will be required to cast English actors to play English characters. British sit-coms such as "Men Behaving Badly" or "Red Dwarf" will not be re-cast and watered down for a wishy-washy American audience who can't cope with the humour of occasional political incorrectness.

5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through.

6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005. You should stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the 'World Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.15% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called "rounders" which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves, collector cards or hotdogs.

7. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry guns. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous in public than a vegetable peeler. Because we don't believe you are sensible enough to handle potentially dangerous items, you will require a permit if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 2nd will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day".

9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts. You will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips. Fries aren't even French, they are Belgian though 97.85% of you (including the guy who discovered fries while in Europe) are not aware of a country called Belgium. Those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called "crisps". Real chips are thick cut and fried in animal fat. The traditional accompaniment to chips is beer which should be served warm and flat. Waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.

11. As a sign of penance 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to be doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.

12. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter will be referred to as "beer", and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as "Lager".

The substances formerly known as "American Beer" will henceforth be referred to as "Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine", with the exception of the product of the American Budweiser company whose product will be referred to as "Weak Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine". This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last 1000 years in Pilsen, Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.

13. From December 1st the UK will harmonise petrol (or "Gasoline" as you will be permitted to keep calling it until April 1st 2005) prices with the former USA. The UK will harmonise its prices to those of the former USA and the Former USA will, in return, adopt UK petrol prices (roughly $6/US gallon - get used to it).

14. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.

15. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.

Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).

Thank you for your cooperation.

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09 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM (#1321939)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: Once Famous

To that, I say eat shit and die.

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10 Nov 04 - 12:17 AM (#1322235)
Subject: RE: BS: BUSH WINS yippee!!!
From: moocowpoo

There is a strong, worldwide anti-American sentiment, the above post is a diatribe I have heard time and time again. I personally don't believe that words needed to be more phonetic, I like the quirks of english spelling. As for all the other points, well I could say the same to be true for this country, I think most countries insulate themselves against the world, perhaps to a greater degree in the states but. There ARE large numbers of thinking people who DO realise that there is a world out there!, please don't group them with ignorants and leader who represents a little over half of the voting population.

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