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15 Nov 04 - 04:41 PM (#1327711) Subject: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Stu It seems such a shame that 20 years after the first Band Aid send a shock up the arse of the world, they are making another one because we still have millions starving across the world while in rich countries food mountains rot and our 'leaders' still spend billions killing people. *sigh* Will we ever learn? |
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15 Nov 04 - 04:49 PM (#1327720) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Once Famous It's a shame but I wonder if there has always been millions starving around the world. What ultimately do you suggest be done about it? |
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15 Nov 04 - 04:51 PM (#1327722) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Bill D not as long as people rate petty differences, religion, 'honor' and power over basic humanity. Band Aid, even then didn't reach very many.... |
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15 Nov 04 - 04:54 PM (#1327728) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Once Famous Perhaps Michael Jackson is needed to save the world. |
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15 Nov 04 - 05:10 PM (#1327745) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Bill D depends on which Michael Jackson you choose. |
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15 Nov 04 - 05:19 PM (#1327759) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: The Fooles Troupe I don't think the new version will be a 'patch' on the original... :-) |
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15 Nov 04 - 05:59 PM (#1327794) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: C-flat The original did much to ignite the social conscience of a generation that, until then, was too wrapped up in the "boom" economics of the day. By using pop icons it made giving "cool". I see no reason why it won't work again with this new crop of stars appealing to a new audience, and with Geldorf hovering behind the scenes we can rest assured that no-one will be lining their pockets with money meant for a good cause. I don't care for "Christmas No 1 Hits" but I hope this one goes straight in and stays there for a while. It won't cure third world poverty but it will at least help to keep these issues in focus and do some good. C-flat. |
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16 Nov 04 - 03:50 AM (#1328279) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Roger the Skiffler Sorry about my cynicicsm, but having heard the original participants boast how they were all off their head with dodgy pharmaceuticals, I felt if they'd all given the equivalent of their drugs budget to the casue it would have raised more money and wasted fewer resources than have the public buy a record that they probably didn't want and would hardly play and would have to dispose of. RtS (Yes, dear, one record I WON'T be buying!) |
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16 Nov 04 - 01:23 PM (#1328813) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: C-flat Roger I'm sure you're a charitable soul at heart and there are plenty of opportunities to contribute without having to buy a crappy record that you'll never listen to. My point is that it isn't aimed at you and me but to the young up-and-coming generation who may not have a fully developed sense of social responsibility. To that end I'm in favour but I certainly don't need the record either! C-flat. |
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16 Nov 04 - 01:32 PM (#1328828) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: MBSLynne Well I just heard it for the first time.....it ISN'T a patch on the original. But I expect I'll buy it anyway. |
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16 Nov 04 - 07:35 PM (#1329231) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: The Fooles Troupe Well, I now know that my joke was wasted on MSBLynne... :-) |
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16 Nov 04 - 07:42 PM (#1329236) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Amos Funny enough anyway, Robin! :D A |
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17 Nov 04 - 03:13 AM (#1329587) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: MBSLynne Well I got it...but it's true in the unfunny sense too!!! |
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17 Nov 04 - 03:39 AM (#1329606) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Roger the Skiffler ...and in my post I've added an extra syllable to cynicism and garbled "cause" so perhaps I need some help! I'll be seeing one of the participants of BandAid 20 at a family party this weekend so I may yet be convinced! RtS |
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17 Nov 04 - 06:40 AM (#1329726) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: MBSLynne Oh go on Roger...who??? |
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17 Nov 04 - 08:01 AM (#1329778) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Skipper Jack Two local radio stations in my part of the world have pulled the plug on the current recording because their listeners phoned in to say that it was rubbish! I am inclined to agree. But I will probably buy it anyway if only to use it as a coaster for my coffee! |
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18 Nov 04 - 07:38 AM (#1330951) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: GUEST At least bloody Bono isn't on the new version! |
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18 Nov 04 - 07:57 AM (#1330967) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: s6k yes he is |
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18 Nov 04 - 11:48 AM (#1331145) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Firecat GUEST, Bono has been chosen to sing the line "And tonight thank God it's them instead of you." UK Catters, the video of Band Aid 20's version gets its first broadcast on all terrestrial channels, Sky One and various digital channels tonight (Thursday) at 5.50pm. |
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18 Nov 04 - 11:51 AM (#1331148) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: GUEST,Mingulay This is Band Aid 20. Hahahahahaha! |
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18 Nov 04 - 01:01 PM (#1331233) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Georgiansilver I'm not sure what the figures are in the U/S but in U/K about a decade ago...it was estimated that around 5% of the population owned over 85% of the wealth...They are the people who need to do something significant. I give what I can afford!!! what if they gave what they could afford? Best wishes. |
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18 Nov 04 - 01:16 PM (#1331255) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Fibula Mattock I've just seen the Band Aid 20 video, as introduced by that Madonna bint, on Channel 5. It sucks. No matter what the intention, it sucks, and everyone participating looks vaguely smug. I would start feeding the world by mincing the people responsible for it and distributing them as part of a nice spaghetti bolognese, but then, I'm irritable and have PMT, so you can disregard anything I'v typed today. |
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18 Nov 04 - 01:21 PM (#1331258) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Mrs.Duck Well I heard it tonight on the way home in the car and again on Tv when I got in. Sad to say it doesn't come close to the original but that to me sums up modern pop music anyway. The cause is still just as good though so I'll donate some money their way just as long as they don't make me take the record home with me. |
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18 Nov 04 - 01:26 PM (#1331269) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Fibula Mattock Perhaps they'll let us pay NOT to take the record home? |
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18 Nov 04 - 01:31 PM (#1331274) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Dipsodeb I just saw it on Richard and Judy on channel 4. No it isn't as good as the first one, but then most things aren't, it still brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye. I hope it does well purely for the help that it will provide and to raise awareness I just wish I knew who half of them were, I must be getting old LOL. ~Debs~ |
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18 Nov 04 - 01:49 PM (#1331285) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: grumpy al still a very good cause but why oh why couldn't anyone think of something more original? |
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18 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM (#1331408) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Georgiansilver Yes like all the pop stars involved giving 10% of their savings..... Probably make more than all last times donations! Best wishes. |
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19 Nov 04 - 10:02 AM (#1332324) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: GUEST,Vic Ashamed to admit to watching Richard & Judy, but I saw/heard it there for the first time last night and I think it's pants. Worst of all is the stupid line, "So tonight thank God it's them instead of you" So it's God that's making them starve; it's God that's terrorising them with their own so-called police, and it's obviously God's will that we live in such comfort. (I suppose crippling third world debt must be God's will as well.) Almost as bad as Glen Hoddle's 'bad karma' take on Africa. Given that they've had 20 years to think about it, you'd think they'd have come up with better, harder-hitting lyrics. They should have asked Steve Earle to re-write it. |
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19 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM (#1332379) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Chris Green I have to admit I have problems with that particular line as it could be construed "Isn't it preferable for people far away to starve rather than us?" However, mawkish and obvious though the song is, if it raises large quantities of cash for Sudan surely that's a good thing! And unfortunately given the state of the current state of the Top 10 I can't see a well-written thought-provoking song making Christmas No.1! |
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19 Nov 04 - 10:56 AM (#1332382) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Splott Man Frank Skinner on TV last night said we should go into the record shop, hand over £4 (it costs £3.99), say "Keep the change... Oh, and keep the CD, too!" |
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19 Nov 04 - 01:22 PM (#1332541) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: C-flat Worst of all is the stupid line, "So tonight thank God it's them instead of you" Apparently there was much debate over that line at the time of the original recording. It was given to Bono from U2 to sing and he was unhappy about it and wanted to alter it. Geldorf explained that he was expressing the sentiment as a father looking at his own children and thanking God for their good fortune. It makes everyone uncomfortable because it's an honest reaction to tragedy or disaster, something we all instinctively feel and then suffer guilt for feeling it. I think it's a really clever line. C-flat. |
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19 Nov 04 - 01:28 PM (#1332548) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: C-flat The new version also has Bono singing the same line this time around and he fought to make sure he got that line! His first recording was regarded as weak and another singer was given the job of covering it (I think it was the guy from "The Darkness"). When Bono found out he was furious and flew back to re-record it to their satisfaction. C-flat. |
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20 Nov 04 - 06:03 AM (#1333384) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: GUEST,Vic "So tonight thank God it's them instead of you" Yes, I can see C-flat's point there, but there's a possibility that the line is a bit too clever. One problem I have with that line, and indeed the whole song, is that it reinforces the widely-held notion that starvation in Africa is the result of natural disasters. In most cases it isn't. In Africa, starvation is a weapon of mass destruction, used by evil men for their own political ends. Of course we should contribute to famine relief, but let's not kid ourselves about the causes of the famine. |
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20 Nov 04 - 12:12 PM (#1333648) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Firecat Yeah it was Justin Hawkins from the Darkness who rerecorded Bono's line, but apparently he made a right pig's ear of it! I liked Will Young and Jamelia's bits, and Dido's, but I thought Dizzee Rascal ruined it with the stupid rap. I'll still buy it, purely cos it's for a great cause, but I won't listen to it much! |
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20 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM (#1333782) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Mrs.Duck Well I stand by what I said about it not being much cop but Maddie (10) thinks it's 'doody' which I think means good. I suspect that she likes some if not all the unknowns who seem to be performing so we'll probably get a copy for her. |
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20 Nov 04 - 02:31 PM (#1333793) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I heard it on the wireless today, its rubbish. |
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20 Nov 04 - 07:41 PM (#1334059) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: PoppaGator Bob Geldof (along with others) tells the story of that first Band Aid efffort in some detail on the "Out or Ireland" DVD I recently rented and watched several times: U2's manager was skeptical of the effort at first and discouraged his guys from participating. When it became evident that everyone else was participating, U2 got on board at the last minute. Bono supposedly read through the entire lyric and told Geldof, "I'll be glad to sing any line except THAT one." Bob responded: "No one else wanted it, either, and it's the only line left -- you have to take it." (I'm paraphrasing of course.) Geldof says that the line was intended to be ironic or whatever, and that in the end he was delighted by Bono's reading. Whether he fully understood what was required, or was just angry at having to sing it, his delivery gave the line an appropriate "edge." No mention in that documentary about Bono doing it poorly at fist, and leaving, and then coming back to re-record rather than allow another singer to replace him. Of course, I can see now how that could have been the case -- omitting that wrinkle doesn't contradict the rest of the story. With all that background, Bono's appearance on the new version takes on a bit more significance. |
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21 Nov 04 - 04:52 AM (#1334271) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: C-flat PoppaGator, the story about Bonos' retake was from this years version, not the original. |
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21 Nov 04 - 10:42 PM (#1334900) Subject: RE: BS: Band Aid 20 From: PoppaGator Ahhhh -- "I see, said the blind man." I misread the meaning where you said "His *first* [emphasis mine] recording was regarded as weak and another singer was given the job of covering it." Now I realize that you meant first go-round of the current recording effort. And you were clear enough, I simply misunderstood. Maybe if they do it a third time in 2040-something, Bono will avoid all this drama and sing his bit in one clean take! ;) |