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26 Nov 04 - 02:36 PM (#1339908) Subject: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond It's about f#cking time! Story Here If Ireland can make it work, there's no reason we can't |
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26 Nov 04 - 02:41 PM (#1339912) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Sooz Here's to clean air for all! Enjoy. |
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26 Nov 04 - 02:44 PM (#1339914) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Peace I'm a smoker. Fine by me, and it's long overdue, IMO. |
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26 Nov 04 - 02:54 PM (#1339925) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Peace PS The notion that smokers have 'rights' is stupid. The only time I object to peopl telling me 'they are breathing my second-hand smoke and would I please . . .' is when I have sat myself down a hundred feet away, down wind, and they come sit near me. I tell them to take a hike, politely of course. I do not have the right to stand up wind and smoke. Besides, everyone's moanin' about rights: it's just manners and common sense. |
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26 Nov 04 - 02:58 PM (#1339932) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: ToulouseCruise They just put it in as of Oct 1st here in New Brunswick, Canada. The bars are suffering sales-wise, however it is soooooooo much nicer to be able to play a show in a smoke free environment.... |
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26 Nov 04 - 03:03 PM (#1339939) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond "The bars are suffering sales-wise" That might happen short term, but it won't last... People tried to say that movie theatres would close when they went non smoking... they didn't People tried to say the subways would grind to a halt.... they didn't... They tried to say airline travel would be foreced to shut down... It wasn't.... Bars/casinos/etc will survive... and maybe more people will too! |
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26 Nov 04 - 03:13 PM (#1339944) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: ToulouseCruise exactly... we have this one individual who has a smokeshop in the downtown core of the city, in the bar areas... he is trying to get the law repealed, with petitions, letters to the editor, etc. He even goes into bars and smokes cigars, HOPING to get charged... what an ass! |
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26 Nov 04 - 03:33 PM (#1339951) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond So have him charged... Sounds like he deserves it... |
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26 Nov 04 - 03:52 PM (#1339961) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: ToulouseCruise The problem is that no bar is willing to do it... the individual will face a fine of a couple hundred dollars, but the bar gets a fine of around a thousand!! |
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26 Nov 04 - 04:01 PM (#1339968) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond There must be some recourse for the bar.... "We have asked him to put it out, and we've asked him to leave, and he refuses" I'd imagine that'd go a LONG way.... Oh have the 'bouncer' bounce him! (If some of the ones I know got a hold of him, he'd be VERY slow in returning... LOL) |
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26 Nov 04 - 04:06 PM (#1339971) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST,Charmion at work My colleagues and I just went out for lunch in the Byward Market, a now-fashionable area of Ottawa just hotching with up-scale restaurants. Five years ago, Before The Ban, the room would have been grey and reeking with smoke. Today, we walked into a heavenly aroma of delicious food that piqued the appetite and made us all eat considerably more enthusiastically than we expected to. Like every other restaurant in the Byward Market, our restaurant was jammed. The only bars and restaurants in Ottawa that lost business After The Ban were the ones that catered to those sad folks who spend their afternoons and evenings chainsmoking while nursing a lager and gazing at the ceiling-mounted television. I always suspected they went out because they couldn't stand to pollute their own space, and the taverns and greasy spoons couldn't make them stop! |
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26 Nov 04 - 04:07 PM (#1339972) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow Here's a page with information (from "Action of Smoking and Health) about the impact of the ban in Ireland - Impact of smoke-free legislation in Ireland It apppears the numbers of people visiting pubs after the ban was introduced actually rose. On the other hand, the overall bar sales appear to be marginally lower - equivalent to a 4% annual drop, consistent with a fall in bar sales over previous years. But the most interesting figure is this: "Polling by independent research company Amarach Consulting found that 89% of respondents believed the ban was a great success and only 10% saying it was unsuccessful. Even smokers admitted that the smoking ban has been a success, with nearly 90% believing the law has worked. |
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26 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM (#1339976) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: akenaton Tum -te tum -te tum-te tum...Ake |
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26 Nov 04 - 05:05 PM (#1340023) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond Now do the one that goes "Tum tum tum... tee tum-tum" |
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26 Nov 04 - 05:30 PM (#1340047) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Mooh Yup, it's about time. Smoke kept me from gigging years ago when I just couldn't stand it anymore. Played a smoke free Legion hall a couple of weeks ago and it was busier than usual, and a very pleasant atmosphere. Peace, Mooh. |
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26 Nov 04 - 05:37 PM (#1340052) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond There's a phrase I NEVER thought I'd see in Canada... "Smoke Free Legion Hall" LOL I have to admit... for vets... I'd look the other way (And this doesn't address the 2nd hand issues for servers at all) But if you got yer boots bloody defending my country, I think you've earned the right to a frigg'n smoke should you want one... I think it looks appaling when I drive past a legion hall in winter, and see groups of little old dudes... clustered in small circles like sheep, with their backs to the wind... Even the heaters of their smokes look cold... But that might just be 'sentimental'... |
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26 Nov 04 - 05:42 PM (#1340055) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: akenaton Glad you didn't have to hold your breath too long Clint...Ake |
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26 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM (#1340057) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond Did anyone else hear a buzzing just now? No? Might been just me... oh well... |
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26 Nov 04 - 06:22 PM (#1340070) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: hesperis Wow, very glad to hear this. |
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26 Nov 04 - 07:40 PM (#1340126) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Charmion Akenaton, just what is your problem? Why are you apparently chucking s**t at people who are rejoicing in a social change that is adding joy and pleasure to their lives? Do you own stock in Imperial Tobacco? Do you even live in Ontario? State your case and stop dragging your coat! |
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26 Nov 04 - 07:52 PM (#1340137) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: PennyBlack Why don't they just stop the import and sale of tobacco or does the Tax and duty have something to do with it? Passive smoking? we had to buy our own in my day |
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26 Nov 04 - 07:57 PM (#1340142) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: akenaton Charmion...Just a little joke with a buddy... Im very pleased about the smoking ban. Here in Scotland, smoking is to be banned in all public places, and not before time. I would much prefer to see a total ban on cigarette production, but the government rake in too much tax to allow that....Ake |
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26 Nov 04 - 07:59 PM (#1340145) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: hesperis I might even be able to get a part-time job in a couple of years! And KEEP it! Because I wouldn't get so sick that I wouldn't be able to work. Of course, only if they ban all lawn-spray too, but one can hope. |
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26 Nov 04 - 08:05 PM (#1340152) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Charmion Ake, I'm really sorry I bit your head off. I was reading a thread about selling a Yamaha guitar that Martin Gibson made nasty for no discernible reason -- something that happens a lot these days -- and am therefore rather over-sensitive. We hope to go to Scotland again soon, and I look forward to supping my pint of Caledonian without holding my nose! |
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26 Nov 04 - 08:24 PM (#1340166) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Joybell Great! Good work! We had to stop playing AND going to friends' birthday parties and shopping and having lunch out and everything else a few years back. Now we're able to go out again. Joy |
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26 Nov 04 - 09:10 PM (#1340194) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Mooh Yes sir, who'da thought smoke free Legion halls? I bet the truth is that there are more who are relieved than not about a smoke free Legion, but nobody especially Legion members would dare make it an issue, on account of the vets should get what they want for their sacrifice. Smoke is why I didn't renew my own membership years ago, smoke kept my Dad and many of his friends, all vets, from enjoying their hall as they could have. I think it's time for the change. Peace, Mooh. |
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27 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM (#1340565) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow Why don't they just stop the import and sale of tobacco... Theu tried that in the States with alcoholic drink, and it proved disastrous. And they are still trying to do it with Cannabis, and that's been disastrous too, even if the people in charge can't bring themselves to say so. I suspect that if they tried Prohibition on tobacco it might well end up with it being cheaper than it is now, and as widespread as ever. Limiting the places where you can smoke tobacco, but leavinbg it up to people to smoke anywhere else seems a pretty sensible midway solution. Maybe they'll move on to a similar compromise for other things, in sensible countries. |
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27 Nov 04 - 01:42 PM (#1340573) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: artbrooks We've had smoke-free here for a while now and, as far as I know, not a single bar has closed. The Legion Halls are exempt...they are considered private clubs rather than public places. |
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27 Nov 04 - 01:45 PM (#1340577) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond If you read the article AB, you'll see that this new 'law' is gonna affect "Private Clubs" as well... Because it's less a personal freedom issue than it is a worker health and safety issue... ("smokers rights"?? HA!) |
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27 Nov 04 - 01:50 PM (#1340579) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Blissfully Ignorant I think what happens in private clubs is that they have a vote to decide whether the want to allow smoking. Seems pretty sensible to me. I think the ban in Scotland comes into effect in 2006? |
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27 Nov 04 - 02:06 PM (#1340584) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond " in private clubs is that they have a vote" Not here, according to the proposal... there won't be an option... |
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27 Nov 04 - 04:23 PM (#1340688) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Cluin The smoking ban will give a great boost to all the biker "speaks" in communities all over Ontario. |
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27 Nov 04 - 04:31 PM (#1340697) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond Well, I know some will wanna spend more time in MY speak-easy! :-) |
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27 Nov 04 - 04:45 PM (#1340711) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Cluin You've got a blind pig down there, clanmate? ;) |
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27 Nov 04 - 04:58 PM (#1340721) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond With a keg of Guinness and a dart board even! Why oh why do you think keep inviting you to come visit??? LOL As a matter of fact though... some of the 'dudes' (the 5 or 6 guys who kick in for shares of the keg) have been gearing up to quit... So there might be a move afoot to make my speak-easy non-smoking as well, to remove temptation... And well, what beats a basement full of drunken, jittery, recent-quitters with sharp throwing instruments eh????? :-) |
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27 Nov 04 - 05:09 PM (#1340729) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Cluin Gee, I think I might even have to come visit some time then. ;) I'll bring my shafts. |
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27 Nov 04 - 05:23 PM (#1340733) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow People keep on talking as if giving up smoking has to mean giving up tobacco, and giving up tobacco has to mean giving up smoking. Neither of which is in fact true. One way of giving up smoking |
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27 Nov 04 - 05:57 PM (#1340751) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond Smoking is pretty foul... but snuff and chaw are twice as filthy! Blech! |
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27 Nov 04 - 06:30 PM (#1340775) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow According to that site I linked to, snuff and snuff-taking is rather different in the USA: Professor Brad Radu of the University of Alabama has told me that "there is a lot of confusion about the term snuff between the Americans and the British. In the U.S. snuff almost always refers to moist snuff, which is more coarsely ground, such that a pinch can be transferred from the container to the mouth, to be held between the cheek and gum. Snuff products are all alkaline in pH, which facilitates transfer of nicotine directly across the lining of the mouth. A minority of users prefer moist snuff pre-packaged in pre-portioned pouches, which are milder and negate the problem of loose tobacco floating throughout the mouth. Dry or powdered snuff is available ... [but] inhalation is practically non-existent. Instead, the dry snuff is placed in the mouth with a moistened stick or finger. I quite see Clinton's point, if that's really true. I remember a few years ago someone tried to introduce that type of mouth snuff in the UK, and there was quite a health fuss about it, and the idea got dropped. Real snuff, on the other hand, is a lot less messy, and a more civilised affair. However, either way doesn't involve anything equivalent to passive smoking. Even if yo don't like the sight of someone sniffing powdered tobacco up their nose, or putting it in their mouths, they aren't pushing it up your nose, or stuffing it in your mouth. |
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27 Nov 04 - 06:37 PM (#1340778) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond As far I I've always known... Snuff is the dry stuff you 'snort'... though why I can't imagine... "Chaw" is the really disgusting wet stuff you put between yer cheek and gum, and then spit all over the place... Makes your mouth look like a drippy anus... I'd rather smoke dog-ends off the mens room floor than snuff or chaw... |
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28 Nov 04 - 04:16 PM (#1341363) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow Well, if that's what you'd rather have, Clinton, I'm sure you'll have the pick of the floor to yourself. |
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28 Nov 04 - 05:28 PM (#1341405) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Cluin "Hey, with that cigar in your mouth, you look just like a movie star!" "Yeah? Which one?" "Lassie, taking a shit." |
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29 Nov 04 - 04:05 PM (#1342367) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST,beachcomber@eircom.net How 's this for a smoking ban story (true)I live in Southern Ireland. I thought that I'd drop in for a pint at my local village pub one cold rainy night recently. As I approached I saw four men and a woman , outside ,on the footpath having a smoke and a drink. The Bartender was among the gathered smokers. On entering I found the interior, two bar-rooms ,completely unoccupied. |
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29 Nov 04 - 04:11 PM (#1342376) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow It used to be common enough for pubs in Ireland to have a way of straying into the publican's living room for after hours drinking. I imagine the same will happen with smoking in some places. |
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29 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM (#1342465) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Cluin It'll be like the Seinfeld episode where Kramer turned his apartment into a cigar lounge. |
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30 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM (#1343203) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST Now if we could just that other major polluter, the car, out of our downtowns, we might all breathe easier. |
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30 Nov 04 - 12:32 PM (#1343349) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Clinton Hammond The car isn't HALF as bad as industry... not by a LONG shot... Yer as likely to ever get rid of one as the other... |
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30 Nov 04 - 01:02 PM (#1343396) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: McGrath of Harlow They have got rid of most of the manufacturing industry in the UK and the USA. Just exported it, of course, so the global polutin is as bad as it was. Venice is the model for how a city can manage perfectly well without cars. Maybe, what with the global warming and the rising sea level, we'll see a lot more cities getting flooded, and turned into far better places to live in the process. |
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04 Dec 04 - 11:32 PM (#1347751) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST That's for darn tootin'...it's about fucking, rucking time that we kick these smoker's asses outside and as far away from the doors in all. |
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05 Dec 04 - 09:03 AM (#1347925) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST,lurker Next up ... how about kicking a few of these foul-mouthed mini-minds outside and as far away from this forum as possible? |
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14 Dec 04 - 12:04 AM (#1356224) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST,Non-Smokin' White Trash Just ban smoking nationally and then see who's laughing loud, hee hah, hee hah. Smoking sucks and it kills. A drunk burned down my trailer in the East End Trailer Park in N.S. a few years ago and I hated smoke ever since. |
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14 Dec 04 - 11:19 PM (#1357186) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: GUEST,Number 6 I think it should be the choice of the bar owner .... if they want to allow smoking, let them, if they don't, let them. I ya don't like smokin, go to the non-smokin bar. If ya like smokin, goto the smokin bar. If your in the company of non and pro smokers, negotiate, if that fails, get drunk on the street and fight it out. After all, we're talking alcohol here. Let's face it, ya drink it to get drunk. Funny, on one side we're trying to legalize the smokin of pot, on one hand we're tryin to ban smoking, and then we advertizing the cahoots everywhere for booze, and then we have scent free environments, we're marketing gas guzzliong, heavy polluting SUV's. It gives a good perception of what we're trying to do, or not trying to do in our society. |
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14 Dec 04 - 11:24 PM (#1357190) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: Once Famous Don't legalize pot. Ban all smoking. Buy an SUV if you have the money and can afford the gas. |
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14 Dec 04 - 11:26 PM (#1357191) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: number 6 Now, what do you do about scent free environments MG? |
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15 Dec 04 - 09:49 PM (#1358199) Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban in Ontario From: *daylia* Have a lot of plants? |