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18 Dec 04 - 12:34 PM (#1360462) Subject: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Lonesome EJ I'm looking for Slave Spirituals that predate 1850 and particularly call-response type songs. Localized to Alabama would be even better. I'm also interested in Slave Spirituals that are versions of, or have their roots in, white church music of this or preceding eras. Anyone have any info? |
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18 Dec 04 - 12:54 PM (#1360475) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: masato sakurai Very few spiritauls were collected in the antebellum days. The first book of spirituals, William Francis Allen, Charles Pickard Ware and Lucy McKim Garrison's Slave Songs of the United States, was published in 1867. A good Alabama collection is "Honey in the Rock": The Ruby Pickens Tartt Collection of Religious Folk Songs from Sumter County, Alabama, edited by Olivia and Jack Solomon (Mercer University Press, 1991; texts only), with a comprehensive annotated bibliography, but it's a 20th-century collection. |
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18 Dec 04 - 01:06 PM (#1360486) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: masato sakurai And a definitive source of information is Dena J. Epstein's Sinful Tunes and Spirituals: Black Folk Music to the Civil War (University of Illinois Press, 1977; still in print). |
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18 Dec 04 - 02:10 PM (#1360540) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: wysiwyg Isn't Ruby Pickens Tartt also one of the main Lomax sources/singers at the LOC American Memory site? ~S~ |
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18 Dec 04 - 02:16 PM (#1360544) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: GUEST,Chanteyranger Slave Songs Of The Georgia Sea Islands, by Lydia Parrish, is also a good source. |
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18 Dec 04 - 02:18 PM (#1360545) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: GUEST,Chanteyranger Of course that's not local to Alabama, but great, useful stuff anyway. |
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18 Dec 04 - 02:21 PM (#1360547) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: wysiwyg We have quite a lot on spirituals in general, in the Spirituals Permathread... let's please try to keep this one specific to Alabama. I'll be linking back to this thread from the Permathread, as pertaining just to Alabama, and it's already pretty confusing how many threads there are on the more general stuff. We edit the permathread but not threads like this, so I can only ask people's cooperation. Thanks, ~Susan |
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18 Dec 04 - 03:07 PM (#1360576) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Q (Frank Staplin) EJ, I echo Masato's recommendation of Dena J. Epstein, "Sinful Tunes and Spirituals, Black Folk Music to the Civil War." It is the only solid study that is readily available. Amazon has new copies for $38.66 but also list used copies for about $19. Abebooks lists 22 used copies for sale. Also check Epstein's "African Music in British and French America," and the "Folk Banjo," both out of print, but available used and in libraries. That spiritual songs were sung, along with secular, was noted by Frederick Douglass. "A silent slave is not liked by masters or overseers." An ex-slave reported "we had a jackleg slave preacher who's hist the tunes. Some was spirituals." Epstein, p. 162. Epstein reports the presence of slaves at camp meetings (Noted by a Bishop Asbury in 1801 and succeeding accounts). Of course practices varied across the South. For Alabama, try to get Hobson, Anne, 1903, "In Old Alabama, Being the Chronicles of Miss Mouse, the Little Black Merchant," Doubleday, Page, NY." This book, which Epstein says was of Uncle Remus type, neverless reported dances and songs that have been corroborated by other sources. "The Old Ship of Zion" is one of the first recorded spirituals, in call and response form, 1850s lyrics recorded. Unfortunately, although observers reported the singing and the religious services, thay did not record the songs. "Carry Me to the Burying Ground" also recorded. "Brothers Walking to the New Jerusalem" may have come from the camp meetings. Epstein reprints a few more. One might find more in the references that she cites. The spirituals in Allen and Fenner, from the period of the Civil War and the succeeding decade, may be influenced by the spirituals of free blacks, since black and slave became associated in the institutions where they collected the songs. |
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18 Dec 04 - 03:09 PM (#1360582) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Azizi WYSIWYG, I thought from reading his {or her} post that Lonesome EJ also wants inforamtion & examples of "Slave Spirituals that are versions of, or have their roots in, white church music of this or preceding eras". Does the African American Spirituals Permathreads or other Threads allow for the dicussion of this? Masato, I copied quite a few pages of Slave Song of the United States from my local library, and unless I missed it, the authors indicate the states from which these songs come, but do not mention Alabama. Briefly scanning those "zeroxed" pages, I found one example of a spiritual that these authors wrote is at least partly based on a "familiar Methodist hymn" . The authors note that "The second part of this spiritual ["Go In The Wilderness" {#19}] is the familiar Methodist hymn "Aint I Glad I Got Out Of The Wilderness!" and may be the originial. The first part is very beautiful, and appears to be peculiar to the Sea Islands." I'm unfamiliar with both the Methodist hymn they refer to and this spiritual. The spiritual may not be performed in call & response pattern. [WYSIWYG, my apologies if you already have this song listed.} I wait upon de Lord, I wait upon de Lord. I wait upon de Lord, my God, who take away de sin of the world. 1. If you want to find Jesus go in the wilderness, Go in the wilderness, go in de wilderness, Mournin' brudder, go in de wilderness. I wait upon de Lord. 2. {none given} 3. You want to be a Christian. 4. You want to get religion. 5. If you spec' to be converted 6. O weepin' Mary. 7. 'Flicted sister. 8. Say, ain't you a member? 9. Half-done Christian. 10.Come, backslider. 11.Baptist member. 12.O seek, brudder Bristol 13. Jesus a waitin' to meet you in de wilderness. end of quote. Probably after the line given in 3-13 one sings Go in de wilderness. The first verse [in that rendition on that given day] was probably "I wait upon the Lord" and the second is "If you want to find Jesus". "Go In The Wilderness" appears to be an open ended song in which any number of verses could be made up on the spot and names such as Brother Bristol used to personalize a verse. I believe that the main difference between African American & European American religious songs is the way that they are sung. By this I mean syncopation, elongation of words {and other ways that singers putting their own flavor to the song}; call & response, personalizing the verses as in the above example, and having open ended verses {among other things}. |
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18 Dec 04 - 03:27 PM (#1360596) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Q (Frank Staplin) Very little information confined to Alabama. Again, references in Epstein. Waterbury, Maria, 1891, "Seven Years Among the Freedmen," 2nd ed., Arnold Chicago. Reports "The Heavenly Dance" from Alabama. Cade, John B., "Out of the Mouths of Ex-Slaves, Jour. Negro History 20 (1935), 294-337. At least one report from Alabama. The American Memory has some slave narratives from Alabama. In general, songs were not collected by the interviewers, but there is some information about services. |
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18 Dec 04 - 03:53 PM (#1360615) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Q (Frank Staplin) Azizi, most of the spirituals taken from Allen and Fenner that have appeared in Mudcat are listed in the Spirituals Permathread. Read the entries following the main list, since these have not been added to the alphabetized list. You can download your own copy of Allen's Slave Songs from the internet. Saves copying at the Library. Allen Slave Songs "Go In the Wilderness" was posted by rich r in thread 31024: Go in the Wilderness However, Azizi, 'You did good' since no one has entered it into the Spirituals Permathread (which I will do). Spirituals Permathread 38686: Spirituals |
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18 Dec 04 - 03:57 PM (#1360626) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: wysiwyg Wunnaful people. Thanks for indexing what needs indexing! ~S~ |
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19 Dec 04 - 02:52 PM (#1361292) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Lonesome EJ Thanks to all for the information! |
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11 Jan 05 - 06:30 PM (#1377039) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Burke See if you can find this book in a library. I've never looked at it very closely. I'd suggest you view it as a source for songs that are related & perhaps not so strongly for which came first. Jackson, George Pullen, 1874-1953. White and Negro spirituals, their life span and kinship, tracing 200 years of untrammeled song making and singing among our country folk, with 116 songs as sung by both races, New York, J. J. Augustin [1944] xiii, 349 p. incl. front., illus. (incl. ports., music) 24 cm. |
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23 Sep 06 - 11:54 AM (#1841509) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: dulcimer42 I'm wondering where I could find the TUNE for "Go the the Wilderness". I understand it was also sung as a tune about Abe Lincoln. Just the basic tune, and I'd be happy. Thank you! |
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23 Sep 06 - 12:15 PM (#1841514) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: wysiwyg Some of the links above go to the tunes; did you look to see if that's the same song you want? One of the posts indicates the tune is "Old Gray Mare;" does that fit the text you're looking at? ~S~ |
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23 Sep 06 - 01:48 PM (#1841526) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: Azizi I noticed that I never thanked Q for posting a hyperlink to the online version of the Allen slave song book. Thanks, Q! Btw, that link posted in Dec 18 2004 still works. I'm wondering if there are other online versions of books on this subject such as the one Burke mentioned in his 11 Jan 05 post. ?? |
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23 Sep 06 - 04:39 PM (#1841595) Subject: RE: Alabama Slave Spiritual Music From: GUEST These folks might be able to help you, leej... Wiregrass Sacred Harp singers |