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06 Mar 05 - 01:44 PM (#1428185) Subject: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Fortunato Susette and I are putting together a couple of sets of Honky-Tonk and Western Swing songs for the band and I'd like to know what you folks have as favorites. If you've something obscure please give any info you can. Please list the famliar one's as well, we aim to please an audience just like you (if one exists). cheers, chance |
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06 Mar 05 - 02:02 PM (#1428194) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Once Famous To me, honky-tonk and western swing are two different but related styles. Two pioneers in each area that you should seek out are anthologies by Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys as well as Ernest Tubb & the Texas Troubadors. Ahhhhhhhh, take it Leon! |
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06 Mar 05 - 02:06 PM (#1428199) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Scoville Yes, they are different kinds of music but, of course, you're allowed to play both. I like "Maiden's Prayer" but, oddly, I don't care for the original Bob Wills version. Jay Ungar and Lyn Hardy recorded a great version of it in the mid-Seventies but I don't think the record is available any more (Catskill Mountain Goose Chase). |
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06 Mar 05 - 02:46 PM (#1428224) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,Auggie and now you take it, Johnny Gimble |
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06 Mar 05 - 03:08 PM (#1428236) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Seamus Kennedy San Antonio Rose, Waltz Across Texas, Across The Alley From The Alamo, I'm Walkin' The Floor Over You. Away Out There (Sons Of The Pioneers). I'll think of a few more. Seamus |
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06 Mar 05 - 03:50 PM (#1428266) Subject: RE: Western Swing fiddle stuff too? From: MickyMan All right now you fellow mudcatters ... I'm sort of piggybacking on this thread to ask a question of those who are knowledgeable about Western Swing FIDDLE STYLES. I'm seeking out some related listening examples for use with the middle school string orchestra that I direct. We are working up a great arrangement of the western classic "Swinging Fiddles" and I'd love to feed them some other Western Swing to wett their pallets for future interest. What I would love to hear about would be some single anthology CD that concentrates on classic fiddle music in that style alone. That's lots easier than compiling a big bunch of seperate tunes ... but please send me whatever comes to mind. Many thanks, Mickyman |
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06 Mar 05 - 04:03 PM (#1428276) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Mooh Not much to add except you should hear some Asleep At The Wheel for another take on western swing. Mooh. |
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06 Mar 05 - 04:19 PM (#1428290) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,tunesmith I love the Merle Haggard's Bob Wills' tribute album. Merle's version of "Corine, Corina" is just so up! Hank Williams' " Move It On Over" is a great song that sort of falls into both camps ( i.e. Honky Tonk/Western Swing) and, of course, sounds - melodically - like the inspiration for " Rock and the Clock". |
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06 Mar 05 - 04:20 PM (#1428292) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,tunesmith That should read " Rock Around the Clock"! |
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06 Mar 05 - 05:53 PM (#1428351) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: RangerSteve Anything that Ray Price did before he became a lounge singer. Check out Rose, the Record Lady (sorry I don't have the exact web address, but a google search will provide it) There's more honky-tonk music there than you can imagine. |
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06 Mar 05 - 05:54 PM (#1428352) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: RangerSteve Oh,yeah, I forgot to mention "City Lights" by Ray Price is the ultimate "crying in your beer" song. |
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06 Mar 05 - 08:15 PM (#1428436) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: open mike i just listened to a one hour special celebrating Bob Will's 100th birthday..and there were some gems! Many had a woman with a call and response sort of echo--not sure who that is...maybe Carolina Cotten, or Darla Daret, Ruth McMasters or Ramona Reed. a couple of the songs that stood out were Cherokee Maid (or maiden?) and Sugar Blues--which is a rare one.http://www.texasplayboys.net/Biographies.htm http://www.xtrememusician.com/info/artists/profiles/8159.html the radio programmer said one of the band members, who was actully active and popular before Bob Wills came on the scene, went to prison for murdering his wife, and was not heard from. Does any one know this band members' name? oh found him--Spade Cooley more here: http://www.metnews.com/articles/reminiscing022703.htm http://nfo.net/usa/weswing.html Spade Cooley was the original "king of western swing" the title went to Bob Wills only after Spade's death. |
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06 Mar 05 - 09:34 PM (#1428481) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Arkie Some Bob Wills favorites: Bubble In My Beer New Spanish Two Step Miss Molly Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star When You Leave Amarillo, Turn Out The Light |
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07 Mar 05 - 12:25 AM (#1428530) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Seamus Kennedy Basically, anything that Tommy Duncan sang with the Texas Playboys. what a voice and delivery. Seamus |
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07 Mar 05 - 12:47 AM (#1428536) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST wett their pallets mickeyman made me laugh good luck with your young fiddlers b4 you get their pallets too wett, you might want to whet their palettes 2 c what wuz funny, you may need to look up pallet keep the rosin on your bow |
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07 Mar 05 - 12:58 AM (#1428542) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Seamus Kennedy "Palates?" |
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07 Mar 05 - 11:35 AM (#1428897) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: M.Ted "Faded Love" is one of the great songs of any kind--"Heartaches by the Number", "Pick Me Up on Your Way Down", "Sea of Heartbreak", "Drivin' Nails in My Coffin", "I can't Stop Lovin' You" , "Oh, Lonesome Me", "Chatanooga Shoeshine Boy", "Take Me Back to Tulsa"-- A few things to remember, first, that, at least for the folks who love and listened to this music over the years, it is, more than anything else, dance music, so when you put your sets together, balance the swing numbers with waltzes, two-steps and such--if you keep the dance feel to it, all will be well-- Second thing is(and this is especially for you MickyMan)--the folks who originated this stuff thought of it as Jazz--they played Jazz rhythms, jazz solos, and often played jazz standards--Anything a jump band would play, they would play-- Third, a lot of fifties rock'n'roll, particularly rockabilly, is fair game for swing/honky tonk bands Some folks to listen to (other than those mentioned above), Merle Travis(not the solo fingerpicking stuff), Red Foley, Faron Young, The Lightcrust Doughboys-- |
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07 Mar 05 - 02:43 PM (#1429038) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: PoppaGator "It Wasn't God Who Made Honky-Tonk Angels" I believe there were a couple of hit songs with identical tunes and related lyrics (original plus "answer song," and maybe more than one answer). There's at least one long mudcat thread about 'em. |
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07 Mar 05 - 05:29 PM (#1429194) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Seamus Kennedy Try some of the early Sons of The Pioneers when Roy Rogers was still Len Slye. With Hugh and Karl Farr on guitar and fiddle, Tim Spencer-guitar and vocals, Bob Nolan - songwriting, bass and vocals, Len Slye - guitar and vocals, they had the closest jazz harmonies including 3-piece yodel harmonies, as well as instrumental breaks from the Farr brothers that equaled anything done by Eddy Lang and Joe Venuti, or even (dare I say it?) Django and Stephane. Some call it Western Movie music, but I believe it's among the tightest Western Swing sound you'll hear. My opinion. Seamus |
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07 Mar 05 - 05:59 PM (#1429223) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Wesley S Roly Poly - But it's politically incorrect nowadays. And don't forget Bob Wills first band - The Light Crust Doughboys - from Burris Mills !! |
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07 Mar 05 - 06:07 PM (#1429231) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,Paranoid Android http://recordlady.webgcs.com/main2.htm Link to Roses site as mentioned byRangersteve |
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07 Mar 05 - 06:17 PM (#1429240) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: number 6 Bob Will's 'Milk Cow Blue' has to be mentioned in this thread. "Ahhhhhhhh, take it Leon!" .... sounds so smooth MG, you got it !! Something a bit more current should not be forgotten here and that is 'Freightliner Blues' by another Texan, the late great Townes van Zandt sIx |
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07 Mar 05 - 08:26 PM (#1429331) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Kaleea Let's get it right, it's Western SwAYng, ya'll! My Daddy grew up near Tulsa with some of those Wills boys after the Wills moved up to Oklahoma when they were still "kids." They were all the rage locally, & it didn't take much time for them to be playing on "the circuit." The Wills bros. were also some of the forerunners of "Rock & Roll" & went beyond the Boogie covering alot of the early R&B songs. My Daddy says that you could often find those Wills boys in the old "juke joints," which were just shacks out in the country where you could swig your "likker" from a jug or fruit jar, jammin with (gasp!!) "colored" piano & guitar players. Because this was in front of his grown grandkids, I asked him how he knew, & he just laughed--& so did we! Musicians have frequently ignored race/color/creed 'cause they were too busy having fun jammin'! [maybe that's when you know you're really a musician--see other thread on this subject] Some of Daddy's (& mine,too) favs: Oklahoma Rag Panhandle Rag Tulsa Waltz Tulsa Stomp Cowboy Stomp Spanish Two Step Mexicali Rose My Window Faces the South Steel Guitar Rag Bob Wills Stomp That Hot Lick Fiddlin' Man You Are My Sunshine MickeyMan, the above, but also, listen to the Blue Yodels, which kids like the "jazzy" sound of & are great for teaching the intervals & octave jumps; the various "______ Blues" as they are also liked by the kids & help them to understand that Folk/Jazz/Bluegrass have the same roots. I like the "Gamblin Polka Dot Blues" depending on how young the kids are or the religiousosity of the parents. You can simplify the melodies by ignoring alot of the fiddle ornamentation & make it easy, adding ornamentation as the kids get better. Sort of like the Cotton Eyed Joe or Old Joe Clarke. The various "Spanish" tunes & songs usually have a slower, lovely melody with interesting percussive possibilities for string players. these are also good for teaching: Sunbonnet Sue--(basic melody) Cotton Eyed Joe--(lyrics & sections most folks haven't heard) Bluein' the Blues--(easy, bluesy tune) Bob Wills Schottische--(multiple fiddles on the recordings) Lone Star Rag--(good for teaching kids an *easy* change in meters) Texas Playboy Rag--(a good concert play-a-round tune for kids) Bob Wills Boogie--(a good one for fiddle) Ride On--(ditto) Ida Red--(can play basic melody or fiddle licks) Beaumont Rag--(just simplify the licks a bit & it's great) Twin Guitar Special--(if you can write out the gospel-ish thirds, this is great) Good Luck, Kaleea |
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07 Mar 05 - 10:49 PM (#1429390) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Ron Davies Hey Chance, you know so many already. But there are so many great Texas Playboys songs. 2 of my favorites of the well-known ones are: Stay All Night and Take Me Back to Tulsa (in addition to Faded Love, of course.) 2 others, perhaps not so well known, which deserve more exposure, are Dusty Skies and Brain Cloudy Blues. |
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07 Mar 05 - 11:37 PM (#1429423) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Fortunato "Thanks, thanks a lot,..." to all of you for your favorites, you brought quite a few to my attention that I'd forgotten or don't know at all. Tremendous response, we're printing them out to refer to. Ron, my old pal Tex Rubinowitz used to do Braincloudy Blues so well, thanks for the suggestion. cheers, to you all and keep 'em coming. regards, chance |
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07 Mar 05 - 11:56 PM (#1429430) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad I've been listening to a lot of Jimmie Rodgers lately. Great stuff. T for Texas - T for Tennessee.... |
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08 Mar 05 - 08:08 AM (#1429596) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,swngfddl Don't leave out Milton Brown and His Musical Brownies... Brown was the original leader of the Light Crust Doughboys (1930) with Bob Wills (fiddle) Herman Arnspiger (guitar) Milton Brown (vocals) and Truett Kimzey (announcer). Following a dispute over salaries with W. "pappy" Lee O'Daniels in 1932 he founded the Brownies. Brown gave us the first Western Swing sound. Spade Cooley is the fellow who gave the style it's name "Western Swing". Good Luck to MickeyMan and his students..I played classical violin until I found swing..been happy for 45 years since. |
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08 Mar 05 - 02:17 PM (#1429911) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GLoux There is a four CD compilation on Proper Records entitled Doughboys, Playboys and Cowboys that has Mississippi Sandman by the Modern Mountaineers...one of my favorite swing songs and it's somewhat obscure... As far as fiddle tunes, try Black and White Rag...Johnny Gimble does a great version... -Greg |
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08 Mar 05 - 02:55 PM (#1429932) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,Sidewinder. I have been listening to Lefty Frizzell recently and he is as good an exponent of the genre as anyone. He was a particularly big influence on Gram Parsons and could deliver a tune with all the panache of the great Hank Williams himself. Regards Sidewinder. |
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09 Mar 05 - 12:00 AM (#1430251) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: Fortunato thanks, swingfiddle, and yes we know Spade Coley(sp?) and Milt Brown, and I have a few 78's and LP's, but please name your favorites. That is, if you were sitting and listening to us bring those songs/tunes to you, what are your favorites? thanks, to all of you and best wishes, chance |
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09 Mar 05 - 07:50 PM (#1431064) Subject: RE: Western Swing Fiddle Best-Of Compilation? From: MickyMan To the guest who caught me on "wett their pallets" ... that is indeed a bit humorous. These kids are young, but not that young, and yet they're not old enough for any other kind of wetting either. Please don't get me started. Regarding the fiddle tunes ... I appreciate all the great ideas, especially Kaleea's entry. I'm not very good at finding individual tunes, downloading them, and making them playable on a CD, not to mention the legallity of all that. Once again, does anybody know of any Western Swing reissue compilation that is really aimed at showing the fiddle styles of the genre? It would be a lot easier if I could buy a CD and pull it out when we're covering this stuff. MickyMan (My original entry is pasted below, since this thread is getting kind of long) Subject: RE: Western Swing fiddle stuff too? From: MickyMan - PM Date: 06 Mar 05 - 03:50 PM All right now you fellow mudcatters ... I'm sort of piggybacking on this thread to ask a question of those who are knowledgeable about Western Swing FIDDLE STYLES. I'm seeking out some related listening examples for use with the middle school string orchestra that I direct. We are working up a great arrangement of the western classic "Swinging Fiddles" and I'd love to feed them some other Western Swing to wett their pallets for future interest. What I would love to hear about would be some single anthology CD that concentrates on classic fiddle music in that style alone. That's lots easier than compiling a big bunch of seperate tunes ... but please send me whatever comes to mind. Many thanks, Mickyman And here's the perceptive "Guest's reply too ... Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 05 - 12:47 AM wett their pallets mickeyman made me laugh good luck with your young fiddlers b4 you get their pallets too wett, you might want to whet their palettes 2 c what wuz funny, you may need to look up pallet keep the rosin on your bow |
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20 Apr 19 - 06:21 PM (#3988410) Subject: RE: Honky Tonk/Western Swing Favorites? From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Mentioned up thread. Back when the Jazz-Hillbilly split was newer: YT: Farr Brothers Stomp YT: Farr Brothers - Swingin' The Bow Karl Marx Farr (1909–1961) Thomas Hubert (Hugh) Farr (1903–1980) |