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06 Dec 98 - 04:47 PM (#48312) Subject: Shalo Brown From: John Leslie Can anyone give me the words to a sea song called Shalo Brown. I am aware I may have not spelt the word Shalo correctly. Thanks |
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06 Dec 98 - 04:53 PM (#48314) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Susan of DT Put [shallow brown] with the square brackets in the blus search box above for two versions |
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06 Dec 98 - 08:53 PM (#48336) Subject: ADD Version: Shallow Brown From: Barry Finn Here's a version not yet in the DT (grin). This would be slow & mournful. Shallow Brown O, I'm going to leave you Shallow, O Shallow Brown O, I'm going to leave you Shallow, O Shallow Brown Ship on board a whaler O, Shallow Brown (2X) Bound away for St George's Love you well, Juliana Massa going to sell me Sell me to the Yankee Sell me for the dollar Great big Spanish dollar The spelling could be anything from Challo, Shallow & Shiloh. Hugill points to this as West Indian in origin, saying Challo is West Indian for half caste & that this song passed through the cotton ports of the south as a cotton screwing chant. I'd add on to that, (aside form this version possibly being of the older versions) that some of the cotton plantations ran their own ships & supplied them with their own slave crews when the land work was slow. These ships traded in all North Alantic & Caribbean ports & that the hope of some was to jump ship in Haiti or England or go whaling or sailoring elsewhere, rather than be slave hands to be resold as needed. Barry |
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07 Dec 98 - 12:19 AM (#48362) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Art Thieme A beautiful version is on Cindy Mangsen's new CD---SONGS OF EXPERIENCE |
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02 Nov 00 - 07:31 PM (#333128) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Snuffy One of the two versions of Shallow Brown in the DT is without a tune. It would go to the tune given, but here are some more versions and 5 more tunes, all taken from Stan Hugill's Shanties of the Seven Seas. The first one is extremely unsentimental. SHALLOW BROWN Oh! Shallow in the mornin', Ooh! Shallow, ooh! Shallow brown! Just as the day wuz dawnin', Ooh! Shallow, ooh! Shallow brown! She is a bright mulatter, She hails from Cincinatter. [Saccarappa, Antiguer] Come put me clothes in order, The packet sails termorrer. Once you were sweet and cheery, [like a fairy] But now you are contrary. For ye are fat an' lazy, Ye nearly drive me crazy. My half-pay ye've spent like chaff, Ye'd like the other half. Ye boozed me pay away, But ye've had yer last pay day. The packet sails termorrer, I'll leave yer without sorrer. Me clothes are all in pawn, I'm bound around the Horn. She won't miss me when I'm gone, She'll hook some other bum. Goin' away termorrer, Bound away termorrer. A more sentimental version (very close to DT's Shallow Brown 2) gives verses 1-3 the same, then: I'm bound away to leave yer, I never will deceive yer. I long to look upon yer, I spend me money on yer. Ye are me only treasure, I love ye to full measure. The packet sails termorrer, I'll leave yer with much sorrer. In the cradle lies me baby, I want no other lady. My wife & baby grieves me, `Tis a pain for me to leave ye. Be up the pier ter meet me, With kisses I will greet thee. Goin' away termorrer, Bound away termorrer. According to Hugill, both versions were sung to any of the three following tunes: X: 164 T:Shallow Brown (a) M:2/4 L:1/8 Q:127 B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2 K:EMix %(3 sharps) %Intro E|A A2 E|AA E3/2|| %Verse E/|E3 A|c/B/A cB-|Bz F2|B B2 F|BB F2| d2 cB|A3 E|A A2 E|A A2 E|AA E2| X: 165 T:Shallow Brown (b) M:C| L:1/4 Q:1/4=80 B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2 K:CMIX %(1 Flat) F| C>D FG |A G2 G|G>A GF|D3 D| B>A G>F|D2 CD|F>C DF|C3 || X: 166 T:Shallow Brown (c) M:C| L:1/4 Q:1/4=100 S:Davies & Tozer, Sailor Songs or 'Chanties', London 1887 B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN K:Ab A| EF AB|c2(BF)|{F}Bz {F}Bz|{F}Bz zA| FF GA|(BF) D2|{F}Az {F}Az|{F}Az z|| Hugill also gives two versions from C J Sharp: O I'm going to leave her, Shallow, o Shallow Brown. O I'm going to leave her, Shallow, o Shallow Brown. Ship on board a whaler. Shallow, o Shallow Brown etc Bound away to St George's. Love you well, Juliana. Massa going to sell me. Sell me to a Yankee. Sell me for the dollar. Great big Spanish dollar. X: 167 T:Shallow Brown (d) (Oh I'm Going To Leave Her) M:4/4 L:1/4 Q:1/4=90 S:C J Sharp, English Folk-Chanteys, London 1914 B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2 K:DMix %(1 Sharp) DG B>A|G A3|A A2 B|AG E2| BB A>G|E D3|E G2 D|EG D2|| A Yankee ship came down the river, Shallow, o Shallow Brown. A Yankee ship came down the river, Shallow, o Shallow Brown. Hugill says "Sharp's version, although it has the refrain of Shallow Brown, has in fact the solo words of Blow, Boys, Blow and the solo tune of Hilo, Boys, Hilo". He gives no more verses, but merely states "Sharp gives four more verses taken from Blow, Boys Blow" X: 163 T:Shallow Brown (Sharp) M:3/4 L:1/8 S:C J Sharp, English Folk-Chanteys, London 1914 B:Shanties from the Seven Seas, Stan Hugill N:filenames [SHALOBRN, [SHALBRN2 K:A %Intro A<(A-(3AGF)E2| M:2/4 L:1/8 A<A E2| M:3/4 L:1/8 =G<(G-(3GFE)D2|=G<G D3|| %Verse D| M:2/4 L:1/8 A>B AE|A>B A<A| M:3/4 L:1/8 A<(A-(3AGF)E2|A<A E3E| M:2/4 L:1/8 =G>A GD|=G>A G<G| M:3/4 L:1/8 =G<(G-(3GFE)D2|=G<G D3|| Wassail! V |
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02 Nov 00 - 07:39 PM (#333134) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Snuffy I just realised that Barry Finn already posted the words for the first of Sharp's versions. Sorry for thr duplication! Wassail!V |
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02 Nov 00 - 09:16 PM (#333185) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: kendall Barry, thats my favorite version..maybe we could sing it on the 18th? |
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02 Nov 00 - 10:18 PM (#333225) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: GUEST,Barry Finn Great song would you take the lead Kendall. Thanks to Abby Sale I recently came upon another West Indian version of Shalo Brown that I'm working on learning as soon as I can make out all the words but the chorus goes: "Shallow Brown is a white mulatter, Spend my money on the whores on shore" Barry |
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02 Nov 00 - 10:47 PM (#333245) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Abby Sale Barry: It's not in the book? BTW, don't forget the boon required. |
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03 Nov 00 - 12:14 AM (#333309) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: GUEST,Barry Finn Hi Abby, I'm still so overwhelmed that it's scope is still sinking in, the boon well be forth coming though & the song won't be sung (if I get to learning it) aside from friends until the book is out or longer depending on the wishes. Love & Thanks, Barry |
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03 Nov 00 - 10:08 AM (#333505) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: kendall sure Barry, I'll do the lead..dont know if I can get the verses in the right order, but, with this kind of song, it doesn't matter that much. |
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03 Nov 00 - 10:25 AM (#333517) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: GUEST,Paul Burke The Kippers did a beautiful parody of this: I bought my wife a breadknife, hollow ground... I notice it's not in Digitrad. Somebody post it! (I can't get used to the linebreaks)
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03 Nov 00 - 11:59 AM (#333622) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Margo Interestingly, I read that Shallo Brown was a boardinghouse master. I've seen that name mentioned in other shanteys but in passing. Has anyone else seen that reference? Margo |
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03 Nov 00 - 12:06 PM (#333625) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: MMario haven't seen that reference - but seen "boardinghouse master" used as a synonym for "pimp" |
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03 Nov 00 - 12:49 PM (#333658) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Abby Sale Hugill suggests it may be from a French 'Challot' [sp], a West Indian word for mulatto. I'd suggest (or at least hope) that the sad love lines ('leave you' 'not deceive you' etc) are to a girl & not a boardinghouse master. MMario: "boardinghouse master" used as a synonym for "pimp" Yes, but indirectly I think - as in "one who is like a pimp." Any boardinghouse master seeking sailor trade had damn well better have a full-service establishment. See, eg, "Liverpool Judies." Barry: Gad, yes. On my third pass I found I'd marked off ALL of them as essential. :) In a different thread - asking for oldest sea songs - I can't find it and I wanted to reread it, too -- Barry mentioned two sea song records at Lib of Cong Folklife/Broadcast & Recorded Sound Division. I have many of them (including, I'm proud to say, most of a dozen of the old red vinyl LPs but no 78 rpm's - although the first time I heard them was at U Penn on 78s) But I don't have the sea songs. Look good. The internet info has moved from gopher to the web and can be found at Clicky This gives all the titles & also track lists. All, as promised are still available but on cassette now. They've been trying to convince Rounder to take over the whole schmere for ages but no. For now you get the ordering info at that site then phone or mail. This is a vital resource & there's endless good stuff. |
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03 Nov 00 - 12:55 PM (#333668) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Abby Sale Barry: I meant don't you have Deep the Water? I'm sure I've seen you quote (accurately, too) from it. Most of the words are in there. It's the tunes that knock me out. |
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03 Nov 00 - 04:41 PM (#333899) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: GUEST,magpie Just came to this site looking for words to Holobalooballay - found them up above, but noticed it was the boarding house mistress who ran off with Shalo Brown.... |
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04 Nov 00 - 06:10 PM (#334699) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Snuffy Paul & Mario "Hollow Ground" by the Kippers is in my Fall 99 download of the DT with a tune (but not quite the tune that the Kippers use!) Wassail! V |
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06 Oct 02 - 10:53 PM (#798063) Subject: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: GUEST,Bman Here's a question which has been bothering me for years. I knew of two songs that refer to a person named Shallow Brown: Go to Sea Once More -- "As I was walking down the street I met with Shallow Brown/I asked him if he would take me on, he looked at me with a frown," and Hullabaloo Belay -- "One day when me father was out of town/Me mother ran off with Shallo Brown." Two references makes it likely, in my mind, that this person really existed. His character seems not to have been of the best. Just for giggles, I looked in the lyric database, and lo! and behold! Shallow Brown has a song all of his own, although he seems to have changed gender. Wonderful what can happen on the Mudcat. I figure this forum is the place to find out, if there's any place in the world. Can anyone help? This has been bugging me in a quietly desperate way for many years now, and I never thought I'd get an answer. |
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07 Oct 02 - 03:02 AM (#798122) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: Mark Cohen In Stan Hugill's Shanties from the Seven Seas, he says: "[Shallow Brown] started life as a pumping song. It is I feel of West Indian origin, some singers giving the refrain of 'Challo Brown' -- 'Challo' being a West Indian word of Carib extraction meaning a 'half-caste', and heard as far afield as the ports of Chile." Hugill lists four versions of Shallow Brown, not counting other songs featuring that name. He goes on to say, "At some time or other this Negro song pased through the shanty mart and was used by the cotton hoosiers of Mobile as a cotton-screwing chant. Sometimes the wording would be that of Sally Brown, and 'Oh, Sally Brown' would be substituted for 'Oh, Shallow Brown' in the refrains." He also mentions a fragment called Shiloh Brown, which is "a version of what appears at first glance to be Shallow Brown but which in actual fact is a variant of Tom's Gone to Hilo." There may be more information in the "related threads" link at the top of the page, but I was too lazy to check them. So, I guess the songs are referring to a generic character rather than a historical person. But I'm sure that if you created a biography of Shallow Brown and started passing it around shanty sings, it would soon become the received truth! Aloha, Mark |
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07 Oct 02 - 06:40 AM (#798179) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: IanC Bman In "Going to Sea No More", it's normally Rapper Brown ... who was, reputedly, a real person. :-) |
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07 Oct 02 - 07:17 AM (#798193) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: Teribus The versions I've heard refer to Rapper Brown, or Old rapper Brown. As IanC mentions above, he was a real person, in Liverpool. Like Paddy West he provided vessel masters who were short of crew with the hands they required. |
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07 Oct 02 - 07:59 AM (#798226) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: Mr Red So the shallow ground is derivative rather than originating? Discuss........... |
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07 Oct 02 - 08:24 AM (#798237) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: Charley Noble Or if not "Rapper Brown" I've heard "Shanghai Brown", a outrageous crimp from 19th century San Francisco who is said to have learned his trade from his father, and upon the death of his father shipped him out as a corpse... Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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07 Oct 02 - 08:33 PM (#798548) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: Barry Finn Another member of the Brown family & a some what cousin to Sally is the West Indian, Feeney Brown. Barry |
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07 Oct 02 - 08:51 PM (#798559) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: Amos In the old shanty "Hullabaloo Belay", as I learned it, the "fresh young fellow named Shallo Brown" was the wicked interloper. In the Great Lakes region the song called "Shallo Brown" was collected in Songs of the Great Lakes , Collected by William Doerflinger A . |
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07 Oct 02 - 10:16 PM (#798626) Subject: RE: Origins: Shallow Brown: a real person? From: GUEST,Bman Thanks, y'all, for the input; something to think about. Regards. |
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19 Dec 02 - 03:37 PM (#850628) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: GUEST,sid does anyone know where Nic Jones's verses come from.He sings Sally Brown as a hidden track on the unearthed album. |
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19 Dec 02 - 03:59 PM (#850643) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Noreen That scrap is from a different song, sid (interesting, isn't it!) Sally Brown was a fine mulatter Wey, hey, Roll and Go! Can see it at the contemplator site here: http://www.contemplator.com/folk5/sallyb.html (click here) |
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19 Dec 02 - 05:46 PM (#850696) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Dead Horse Words to most verses posted here are from other shanties, which was the norm. Any shanty could be sung if it was of the single line Verse-Refrain-Verse-Refrain pattern. My preference is for Challow Brown, when singing the slow, mournfull version, and for the faster, up tempo tune I use:- Shallow, shallow, in the mornin' Shallow, oh shallow Brown Shallow as the day is dawnin' Shallow, oh shallow Brown. |
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19 Dec 02 - 08:03 PM (#850808) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: Snuffy Not forgetting the other Sally Brown, Noreen: I shipped on board of a Liverpool Liner Way, hey, Roll and Go! WassaiL! V |
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20 Dec 02 - 10:33 AM (#851143) Subject: RE: Shalo Brown From: GUEST,Andy Realy interesting how lyrics develop by words being misheard or mispronounced. Shallow brown, was the warning cry given by lookouts on cotton traders around the coasts of south and central America. Being mainly sub tropical rainforested areas, the rivers running through these areas are mostly dark (tannin stained) or muddy brown. This brown water emties into the sea and hugs the coastal shallows before being diluted and dispersed,also most ports are situated at rivermouths or upriver,therefore if asailor spotted brown water he could be sure he was getting into the shallows and was near a rivermouth and port. |
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06 Jan 08 - 02:59 AM (#2229568) Subject: ADD Version: Shallo Brown From: Joe Offer Here's a nice version from Helen Schneyer's What a Singing There Will Be: Shallo Brown Traditional I am goin'for to leave you Shallo, oh Shallo Brown I am goin'for to leave you Shallo, oh Shallo Brown I am goin''cross the ocean Shallo, oh Shallo Brown I am goin''cross the ocean Shallo, oh Shallo Brown How I love you, Julianna Shallo, oh Shallo Brown Love you well, Julianna Shallo, oh Shallo Brown My master's goin' to sell me Shallo, oh Shallo Brown My master's goin' to sell me Shallo, oh Shallo Brown He will ship me on a whaler Shallo, oh Shallo Brown He will send me by a whaler Shallo, oh Shallo Brown He will sell me to a Yankee Shallo, oh Shallo Brown For that great big Spanish dollar Shallo, oh Shallo Brown Julianna, Julianna Shallo, oh Shallo Brown Julianna, Julianna, Julianna Shallo, oh Shallo Brown Helen's notes: Don't remember from whom I learned this. It in not a work shanty but a fo'c's'le song. There is a brisker version for raising anchor. |
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30 Jul 08 - 03:13 PM (#2401592) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: Mrs_Annie This song was beautifully sung by Norma Waterson on Monday night at the Barbican in London, at the end of the Rogues Gallery concert. With a backing chorus of most of the participants. Never heard it before. |
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08 Sep 08 - 01:51 PM (#2434316) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: greg stephens Here, at Boat Band Myspace are two versions I am quite pleased with The one labelled "brass" is the brass part of an extended version the Boat Band did twenty years ago,and the one labelled "Rap Shallow Brown" is a rough recording done a week ago when we were working out some ideas with Rhythm'n'Grime. They are a group of Manchester rap/hip hop/drum'n'bass people (I am never too sure of the terminology). Anyway, we were playing around with some old songs and tunes and adding a young/black viewpoint to the mix, and the youngsters were very taken with the song. I-Deal started singing along, so I stretched out the song a bit to leave some space for MC Meistro to fit in a rap bit in each verse, and it came out pretty well. We are also working on much more electronic mix of this (and some Manchester Hornpipe type tunes, see an acoustic "Rap Manchester Hornpipe") and in due course they will doubtless find their way onto CD. We should acknowledge the help of property developers Urban Splash in funding this collaboration. The link will take to a a bit of a blog about the project, as well as the recordings. |
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11 Jan 10 - 01:28 PM (#2809215) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: GUEST,Serin McDaniel I first heard this in a recording from John Wesley Harding's Love Hall Tryst, and then from June Tabor. I've wondered whether there might be a connection to "Shenandoah" -- partly because of the sound similarity between "Shallow Brown" and "Shenandoah/Shannadore" and partly because of the "I'm goin' to leave you" lines. |
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21 Apr 10 - 10:34 AM (#2891343) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: John Minear Is there more than the one verse to the "Shallow Brown" presented by Hugill (c) from the Davis & Tozer collection? I don't have access to Davis & Tozer, and if there are more verses or any comments, I would greatly appreciate it is somebody would post this information. Here is what Hugill has: http://books.google.com/books?id=WOQ9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA259&dq=Davis+%26+Tozer+present+another+tune:+SHALLOW+BROWN+(c)&cd=1#v=onepage Also, does anyone have the "Shiloh Brown" version published by Edith Fowke in her collection SEA SONGS AND BALLADS FROM NINETEENTH-CENTURY NOVA SCOTIA: THE WILLIAM H. SMITH COLLECTION? I would also appreciate it if someone could post that version as well. Thanks. |
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22 Apr 10 - 11:50 AM (#2892105) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: John Minear Anybody want to share the Davis & Tozer - that's: Davis, J. & Tozer, Ferris: SAILOR SONGS, OR "CHANTIES". Boosey & Co., Ltd., London, 1887 - version of "Shallow Brown"? Hugill gives the first verse and the tune. Is there more? And do they talk about where their version comes from? Also, I'm still looking for Edith Fowke's version entitled "Shiloh Brown". Where does it come from in Nova Scotia (or beyond), and what is the date? I appreciate any help on this. |
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22 Apr 10 - 02:04 PM (#2892200) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: greg stephens Here is yet another version of the Boat Band singing Shallow Brown (with the full-on brass at the end) |
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22 Apr 10 - 07:43 PM (#2892395) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: Lighter From Davis & Tozer, Third Ed. (1906). The song is not in the First Edition of ca1887, and no copies of the Second (1888) seem to be available. SHALLOW BROWN Come get my clothes in order, Shallow, shallow [sic] Brown I'm off across the border, Shallow, shallow [sic] Brown. My ship will sail to-morrow,... I'll leave you without sorrow,.... Once you were like a fairy,... But now are the contrary,.... For you are cross and lazy,... And soon will drive me crazy,.... The packet sails to-morrow,... I'll leave you without sorrow,.... Come get my clothes in order,... I'm off across the border,.... |
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22 Apr 10 - 08:05 PM (#2892411) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: Lighter Fowke's version, from a 1940 ms. prepared by T. Brenton Smith from the recollection of his father, William H. Smith (1867-1955) of Liverpool, Nova Scotia. SHILOH BROWN Oh Shiloh had a baby; Shiloh Shiloh Brown; It was born on a Sunday; Shiloh Shiloh Brown; And they sent it to school on a Monday; Shiloh Shiloh Brown. Oh my Lord, what a baby; Shiloh Shiloh Brown; It's Oh my Lord, what a baby; Shiloh Shiloh Brown. William H. Smith's note: "Sung by Nova Scotia sailors. Never heard this sung by foreign sailors. Jim Hensey, colored man of Liverpool, who was only one voyage, so far as I know, sung it a lot. Jim Hensey and local sailors sang this frequently at launchings, quite lately. (TBS has heard this sung at launchings)." It's interesting that Smith seems to have heard the song frequently from several singers over many years yet could only recall these few uninspired verses, related to the nursery rhyme "Solomon Grundy." Someone, I forget who, also heard similar verses to "Reuben Ranzo.' |
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22 Apr 10 - 11:21 PM (#2892508) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: John Minear Lighter, thanks for these two versions. I had wondered if the Davis & Tozer one was in his first edition or later. I would say that neither of these versions help with an "earlier" dating. |
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26 Apr 10 - 08:18 AM (#2894509) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: shipcmo is there any way to set up a trace from inside a thread? Thanks, Geo |
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05 Jun 20 - 11:22 AM (#4057483) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: Lighter Cincinnati Daily Gazette (June 24, 1867), p. 1: "On shipboard, all is quiet, excepting when sail is made or shortened, or the tack is changed. Then, however, there is noise indeed. "The sailors rush like mad for the rope to be pulled, and some lusty-lunged fellow strikes the time with [a] loud discordant 'Yo, heave, yo!' or some weird tune ending in a chorus 'of Ranzo, boys, Ranzo!' or 'Shallow, shallow Brown,' and all pull together." We've seen the word "weird" before, applied to chantey tunes in early reports. It suggests just how far outside the mainstream of parlor or concert music the chantey tunes seemed to be. |
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05 Jun 20 - 03:07 PM (#4057536) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: RTim Here is the version I sing.....it is an amalgam of several versions from varies sources...It is one of those songs when sung in a room of great voices - like Mystic late at night - that is a sheer joy. Tim Radford https://soundcloud.com/tim-radford/shallow-brown |
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06 Jun 20 - 12:02 AM (#4057603) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: Gibb Sahib I love Tim's rendition of "Shallow Brown"! |
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06 Jun 20 - 08:54 AM (#4057647) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: Steve Gardham Nicely done, Tim. But can I add a plea, please, please, no primadonna voices singing it at half this pace...it does me head in! it's a blood chanty, not a funeral march! Rant over! |
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07 Aug 22 - 05:57 PM (#4149663) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Versions Shallow Brown From: GUEST,Janet Elizabeth Thinking of the debate about whether Shallow / Challo could be a person's name, I thought it might be worthwhile looking on Facebook (you can limit the results to just people not groups etc.) it appears Challo is a Spanish name in both Spain and Mexico, and can belong to either male or female. An interesting experiment ???? Anyone can try it ... ??. Elizabeth x |