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29 Jun 05 - 04:10 PM (#1512715) Subject: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice http://www.petitiononline.com/Tomkat/ Click here |
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29 Jun 05 - 04:24 PM (#1512723) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie Good gracious. Expand your life; don't pay ANY attention to the nuts that you will never meet and that do not have the capability of impact on you. Enjoy what you like, ignore the rest. |
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29 Jun 05 - 07:10 PM (#1512838) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: artbrooks Who? Is he an actor? In something current? |
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29 Jun 05 - 07:20 PM (#1512845) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Joe Offer Well, I admit Scientology makes me nervous. Pushing to ban Scientology makes me even more nervous. -Joe Offer- |
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29 Jun 05 - 07:24 PM (#1512848) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: freda underhill I agree with this petition. Tom C is using his celebrity to promote dangerous views about medical conditions. Depression can cause people to suicide if they don't get medical treatment - there is a stigma about seeking treament anyway, and his comments contribute to that stigma. the petition is a reaction to his recent mean spirited attack on Brookew Shields for medically treating her post partum depression freda |
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29 Jun 05 - 07:55 PM (#1512861) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg Wanna have some fun? Just ask ol' Tom about Xenu; and why is he so meatspace-focused on Katie???? ~Susan |
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29 Jun 05 - 07:56 PM (#1512862) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie The only thing I saw Cruise say was about psychiatry. According to him, psychiatry is not a "science". As opposed to Scientology. *G* |
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29 Jun 05 - 08:55 PM (#1512907) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Mooh Is this the guy who was with Ms. Kidman? I wonder what she knows about him that is frightening. I wonder if she would tell me, privately, I mean not just in my dreams, like...oops, thinking out loud again. His rants are being reported as if his opinion mattered for squat. Overt self-righteousness is itself suspect. Peace, Mooh. |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:14 PM (#1512918) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg It's not Tom, actually-- it's standard Scientology programming. As in, CULT. As in, canned/programmed rants on various topics, combined with rehearsed and programmed defenses of Scientology. If you Google up Xenu, you're likely to see some interesting stuff. ~Susan |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:15 PM (#1512920) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie That's what I think, Mooh. He's a good actor, no doubt, but I have seen no sign of tremendous intellect. Maybe because of my being older and his having never been in my dream world, I don't see any reason to frame my own beliefs on his pronouncements. |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:16 PM (#1512921) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Don Firth Sounds like he could use a little "auditing" himself. Oh, wotthehell! I like science fiction (even some "sci fi"), so I'll probably watch the movie when it finally makes it to the tube. I'm curious to know what they've done to H. G. Wells this time around. Or is it supposed to be based on the Wells novella (even if updated. After all, invaders from Mars would be stretching it a bit, considering recent activities)? Way back in the Fifties, I think L. Ron Hubbard had an interesting idea with Dianetics. Initially, it was even worth thinking about. Then, one night he said to himself, "I think I'll try to make a prophet!" and decided to found a religion. I'm surprised at the number of Hollywood figures that have fallen for this stuff: Cruise, John Travolta, the young woman who played Mary Ellen on "The Waltons," several others. Sigh Don Firth |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:40 PM (#1512926) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Bee-dubya-ell Aaaarrrrgggghhh!!!! You mean my lack of television has kept me in the dark about something as vital as Tom Cruise's enlightened views on, well, everything? I'll be standing at the satellite dish company's door when it opens in the morning with checkbook in hand! Forget groceries and utilities! Gotta have that dish! |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:47 PM (#1512929) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: sixtieschick Although it's out of fashion in high places, the first amendment guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Cruise was exercising both. Perhaps what is at issue here is the high value put on the opinions of celebrities in some quarters just because they are celebrities. M. |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:49 PM (#1512931) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie Jay Leno says the special effects in the movie are out of this world, so to speak. Brace yourelf, though- I understand that the world loses. |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:50 PM (#1512933) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: SharonA "CULT. As in, canned/programmed rants on various topics, combined with rehearsed and programmed defenses of..." Can't help thinking that, by definition (this definition, anyway), conservative talk-radio hosts are members of a cult! A Republicult, perhaps? Anyway, Tom Cruise is one of the Top 100 nominees on the list of "Greatest Americans" that AOL and the Discovery Channel (discovery.com) asked people to nominate and vote on. I'm not sure where he placed after the final votes were in. He's not in the top 25, but still, the fact that he was even nominated is more than a little scary. |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:52 PM (#1512934) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Mary in Kentucky hmmmmm...verrrrrrrrry interesting. Sooz, I googled Xenu and got: #1. The excellent link checker program that Bill D recommended (and I installed). I love it - but Bill, I hate the ugly icon for it on my desktop- spooky. #2. A Google statement that I had never seem before! They had to remove links! But you can see what was removed at www.xenu.net ******************** Now with all this publicity, the link checker program will get lots of traffic. PS I signed the petition, though these things are probably meaningless. |
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29 Jun 05 - 09:58 PM (#1512938) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Rapparee Didn't he design the cruise missile? |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:10 PM (#1512946) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie I think so, Rap. There'd be no other reason for its name. Unless our culture(s) have gone absolutely bonkers and stay that way, the fact that Cruise (see, Rap?) got on the list of greatest Americans is nothing to worry about. Madonna has been on it, as I recall. Some people put anyone on it that has been in the news, it appears. I understand that at some show - The View, I think, Paris Hilton got a STANDING OVATION. You want scary? That's scary. |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:15 PM (#1512948) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg Hm, M in K, dunno quite what you mean, but I get these results: Operation Clambake - The Inner Secrets Of Scientology Major anti Scientology site, with extensive news articles, analyses, and criticism of the alleged Scientology cult, Dianetics, and L. Ron Hubbard, ... www.xenu.net/ Operation Clambake present: The XENU Leaflet There are cults out there that need to be exposed, because they destroy people. The Church of Scientology is such a cult, to back up this strong claim I ... www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/ Welcome to xenu.ca News, court papers, and ex-Scientologists' stories from a Canadian perspective. xenu.ca/ The Road to Xenu The Road to Xenu A narrative account of life in Scientology. by Margery Wakefield. Available in PDF (93 pages, 285K) and PostScript (93 pages, 227K gzipped) ... www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/ Welcome to XENU TV The most comprehensive video coverage of Scientology on the Web, in RealVideo format. Some radio broadcasts, in RealAudio format. Archive of newspaper and ... www.xenutv.com/ XENU RULEZ ! XENU IS COMING ! You probably want this instead: WWW.XENU.NET. Scientology cartoons. FACTnet info. www.xenu.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages Xenu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public. Hubbard later dramatised the Xenu story as a film script, Revolt in the Stars. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu ~S~ |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:17 PM (#1512951) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST Go to www.clambake.org... the inner secrets of C.of S. that members have to pay thousands of dollars for (but are on the clambake.net page so people can be fully informed of how and why they are getting recruited into CoS). http://www.clambake.org |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:20 PM (#1512954) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg Or for the short version, illustrated: http://www.xenu.net/archive/scientology_illustrated/ ~Susan |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:25 PM (#1512956) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST The oldest online site with free info about cult abuse is www.factnet.org http://www.factnet.org/ They began reporting on the death of a CoS member, Lisa McPherson, long ago. The thing to remember about abusive groups is that the problem is the DEED, not the CREED. People in this country are free to believe, like CoS, that we are each inhabited by aliens if they want to. The DEEDS of CoS are the problem. |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:32 PM (#1512959) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Mary in Kentucky I was referring to a statement at the bottom of the page of the Google listing: In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results. But you're right, the xenu.net main page is listed. It's also the clambake site. |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:32 PM (#1512960) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: John Hardly "He's a good actor, no doubt, but I have seen no sign of tremendous intellect." I seem to remember a Dick Cavett television interview with Arthur Miller in which Mr Miller stated that there is no such thing as an actor/intellectual. Something about their empty-headedness being key to their ability to adopt a personality (as they have none). |
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29 Jun 05 - 10:53 PM (#1512966) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Mary in Kentucky I agree with Jay Leno's statement in his tribute to Johnny Carson, here. As a comedian he taught me that it was okay to be known for doing political humor, but never making the mistake of thinking you're a political commentator. It's okay to satirize the society we live in, just don't start believing you're a social commentator. I see an analogy with celebrities and opinions. I bristled when Tom was rude to Matt Lauer. I forget the exact words, but he essentially told Matt that he (Matt) didn't know what he was talking about, and implied that he (Tom) did! |
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29 Jun 05 - 11:04 PM (#1512971) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: harpgirl Tom Cruise????/Oh, ick! |
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29 Jun 05 - 11:04 PM (#1512972) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice Mary, members of the church of $cientology have had their thinking carefully programmed to believe that psychiatry is evil, because L.Ron Hubbard hated psychiatrists. Cruise is living out his cult programming. A great parody of $cientology is the movie "Bowfinger", written by and starring Steve Martin. Very funny movie, but sad that so many in Hollywood have been recruited into a group like the one portrayed in Bowfinger. |
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29 Jun 05 - 11:15 PM (#1512976) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice Click here, a page with more detailed info about these subjects: Lisa McPherson's Death and subsequent Court Cases and Hearings. Inside the world's most dangerous cult: Jesse Prince interviews [October 28, 1998] Scientology's foolproof method of judge tampering [September 30, 1998] Scientology, the Killer Cult L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology, Dianetics, and Racism A Mother Loses Two Sons: Edith Ervin's Story Europe's head of Scientology intelligence division tells her story. Why Scientology is so dangerous to Society, the fair game policy The Prisoners of Saint Hill Destroy all critics! The Diary of a Dying Scientologist Hubbard speaks on the brown and yellow races Scientology's fight FOR apartheid: The secret history of racism in Scientology Scientology's criminal activities Scientology's Religious Persecution of Former members Scientology's actions toward critics Former members speak out on their abuse in Scientology Coerced Abortions |
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29 Jun 05 - 11:25 PM (#1512982) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice A few more details...CLICK HERE from Factnet: Scientology actively helps arrange celebrities' divorces and marriages when Scientology deems them beneficial to Scientology. Scientology arranged Tom Cruise's entire divorce from Mimi Rogers for no charge.Orchestrating this divorce was important to Scientology because Rogers was disaffected from Scientology; thus it was in Scientology's interest to distance Cruise from her. Scientology also helped Lisa Marie Presley arrange her marriage to Michael Jackson. The idea was to make Jackson a Scientologist so he would become a recruiter and bring large numbers of youth into Scientology. Tom Cruise became psychotic during a secret Scientology initiation in which one is told that rather than being one person, one is composed of thousands of aliens from all over the universe fighting for control of your body. After completing this initiation, known as OT III, Tom appeared sickly with black circles under his eyes and pasty skin. He said he wanted to be away from Scientology for good. He just wanted to go back to Hollywood and his home and be left alone by Scientology. This would not happen; David Miscavige ordered Cruise could not be let go. Scientology worked on Cruise day and night until he finally returned to Scientology. |
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30 Jun 05 - 12:37 AM (#1513015) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: LadyJean My Cruise has a learning disability. So do I. When my parents first discovered that I had trouble acquiring some very basic skills they took me to a psychiatrist who blamed, Surprise! my mother. You see Mom married at 35! Quelle horreur! She'd been a happy career woman before she met dad, she missed her work, and she didn't like being a housewife. In the 1960s, that meant she was neurotic, which was howcome I wrote fifty one as 15. I don't know what Mr. Cruise's experience was. But I'm betting it wasn't too different. Now I have no interest in Scientology, apparently a moneymaking scheme for a third rate science fiction writer. But we have freedom of religion in this country. The Mormons, the Seventh Day Adventists, and even the oh so respectable Methodists started out as kooky sects. I do know that psychiatry is a very subjective science. 40 years ago I could have had my sister comitted, because she's a lesbian. Now, she sees a therapist about her relationships. I have seen more than one friend damaged by therapy. My housemate was depressed. (He was out of work and his wife left him. He'd have been weird if he wasn't depressed.) His doctor put him on Parnate, whcih made him too sick to work. When Newt Gingrich stopped his disability payments, the doctor kept up the Parnate. Never mind that he had no source of income, except occasional loans from me. The stuff damn near gave him a stroke. It made him lethargic and irritable, a real pain in the butt to live with. We were both happy when he went on a new antidepressant. |
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30 Jun 05 - 02:17 AM (#1513044) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Rasener A long time ago, I got very nicley offered a test. Out of interest I took it. Big mistake. It was scientology. They said they could help me LOL. I said that I didn't want to know and walked out. I got bombarded with mail from then on and they just woudn't give up with it, even though I threatened to take them to court. They suck you in and are very clever indeed. Whatever Tom Cruise is saying is based on the indoctrination of this organisation. In my opinion they are evil. Anyway I did catch something on the Telly about him going on about Ritalin and its use, but he didn't seem to know the facts - didn't see all of it so am not quite sure what he was getting to. All I can say about Ritalin is avoid it like the plague if you can - its a very dangerous drug that can cause severe harm to your body - but nobody tells you about that. My daughetr went on it, and as soon as I researched Ritalin, I was horrified and took her off it. |
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01 Jul 05 - 02:10 AM (#1513520) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,ragdall I was reading through what appears to be a 1991 Time Magazine article here. That is very scary stuff! :( rags |
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01 Jul 05 - 02:33 AM (#1513526) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST, Ebbie One of the things I heard him say to Matt Lauer, very forcefully: "There is no such thing as a 'chemical imbalance". |
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01 Jul 05 - 03:45 AM (#1513539) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST Years ago, when delivering leaflets house-to-house, I found among the doors with signs saying 'No circulars', 'No hawkers', 'No salesmen', 'No Mormons', and 'No Jehovah's Witnesses', one saying 'No cruise missiles'. |
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01 Jul 05 - 04:57 AM (#1513563) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST Guest Ragdall Yes it is scary and anybody that doesn't take notice does it at their own peril. You should be very very wary of very persuasive people who ask you if you would like to take a free psychology test. They make it sound very interesting. The moment you say yes, they will take you to a place where they have the test set up and will give you the findings afterwards and then put heavy pressure on you to join them and be saved. Be warned - don't get sucked in, they are very cunning. The people that try to get you to do these tests are indoctrinated and probably already owe them a lot of money. |
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01 Jul 05 - 04:57 AM (#1513564) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST Sorry that was the villan posting |
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01 Jul 05 - 07:01 AM (#1513573) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,ragdall Villan, Tom seemed to be more robot than man in that interview. Brainwashing is a terrible thing. I was looking through the archives at the Time Magazine site. There have been articles about this organization for many many years. Why/ how have they been able to grow and prosper so much? thanks, rags |
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01 Jul 05 - 07:03 AM (#1513575) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,nellie clatt I'm totally amazed and flabbergasted that anyone especially so called intelligent people get taken in by scientology which round here we have a name for, it's TOTAL SHITE. In England, Ron Hubbard was exposed as a charlatan in the 1960s |
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01 Jul 05 - 07:07 AM (#1513577) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,nellie clatt Incidently, are there any mudcatters who are scientologists ? I suppose if there were nobody would admit to it. |
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01 Jul 05 - 07:14 AM (#1513579) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST Nellie Clat They are brainwashed, very well mannered and very slick. That is why if you have never heard of them, it is very easy to get sucked in by them. The people that try to get you in are nothing more than slick salesman/woman. From my memory they do not mention who they are, just that are doing psychology tests and invite you to have a go. They are as bad as these salespeople who won't say no until they get a yes out of you. |
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01 Jul 05 - 07:23 AM (#1513580) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,nellie clatt I have heard of them, as I said, Ron Hubbard was exposed as a charlatan many years ago. |
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01 Jul 05 - 07:27 AM (#1513582) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST He has a right to have and express an opinion. You demonstrate the worst form of mind control via personal censorship; and trying to utilize this forum to impose your belief systems is wrong. Debate it, discuss it, but dont be a Nazi about it. |
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01 Jul 05 - 08:53 AM (#1513600) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST I think this has bugger all to do with belief systems and a lot to do with a bunch of crackpots exploiting the vulnerable for their own gain. And as for Ritalin... yes, avoid it like the plague. |
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01 Jul 05 - 09:11 AM (#1513603) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST Shields said her doctor prescribed Paxil for postpartum depression after she experienced extreme despair and had suicidal thoughts following the birth of her daughter, Rowan Francis, in the spring of 2003. Paxil has been known to cause depression and strange mental states in some patients. I have personal experience of this in my own family, who were using paxil for treatment of a physical illness. I partially agree with Cruise, it is a science that is in its infancy, yet it is treated as infallible by some. Personally, I have never found anyone involved in it to be of benefit at all; most having more mental illness than their patients. |
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01 Jul 05 - 09:14 AM (#1513604) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,The Villan Guest You are right. He does have a right to express his opinions just like anybody else. I suppose we have digressed by talking about Ritalin and Scientology. Maybe they should be seperate threads. |
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01 Jul 05 - 09:50 AM (#1513612) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,Mrs Miggins It's not a science fer fecks sake, L Ron Hubbard invented it to make money out of gullible dick heads like yo.......... ? |
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01 Jul 05 - 09:51 AM (#1513613) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,eric the red If you sign the petition don't give your email address or you will get a begging letter from them. eric |
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01 Jul 05 - 10:08 AM (#1513622) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Fibula Mattock A psychiatrist is a medical doctor who specialises in mental health. I would personally trust them as much as I'd trust any other medical doctor - that is to say, each on their own basis. What's so wrong with a psychiatrist suffering from mental illness (see a few posts up)? One of the leading researchers on manic depression, Kay Redfield Jamison, suffers from it herself. Scientologists I wouldn't trust at all :) |
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01 Jul 05 - 10:15 AM (#1513630) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,Willie-O Tom Cruise has always irritated the hell out of me. Particularly after I watched (because I like Elizabeth Shue, who was sadly misused in this POS) "Cocktail". Possibly the worst major-release movie of the past 20 years. He acts with his sole asset: his teeth. He has far too many of them. I am quite sad that Katie Holmes has said yes to him and gotten sucked into his glam-sham world. She is a greatly underrated actress who does fine work without showing off--as in "The Ice Storm" and "Pieces of April". Not blockbusters, just damn good movies. Check em out. W-O |
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01 Jul 05 - 10:23 AM (#1513640) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,Art Thieme Folks, as I've said in another thread, my MS has, as one of my big symptom, extreme fatigue. It's very much like when I had mono. Not just tired, or sleepy---but extraordinary fatigue. My neurologist has me on 20 mlgrms. of Ritalin twice a day---morning and noon. I find it a big help. It wears off quickly and allows me to sleep too. I'm not talking about children here. I am a 64 year old man. I know there are strong opinions out there for the use of it with hyper kids, but what's your gripe on this drug where adults are concerned? Art Thieme |
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01 Jul 05 - 11:14 AM (#1513683) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: harpgirl If it helps you, don't worry about taking it. I would suggest a a sleep study to rule out sleep apnea. If you have bad apnea, you could use a CPAP machine to blow air in your nostrils, get a good night's sleep and eliminate one more medication, Art. |
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01 Jul 05 - 11:16 AM (#1513686) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: harpgirl PS,,,cool that she still needs ya and feeds ya! way to go old pal! |
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01 Jul 05 - 11:21 AM (#1513695) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg It's not a digression to discuss Scientology when it's the source for the party line Cruise is spouting. A Scn higher-up was on TV yesterday running the same rant nearly word-for-word, refusing to address the interviewer's reasonable questions by interrupting to resume the rant. The hate on their faces when they start spouting-- I've seen it from other Scientologists who had left and were trying to move on. These people get seriously messed with; it shows. ~Susan |
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01 Jul 05 - 11:27 AM (#1513705) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: harpgirl I agree with you, Susan. If she's smart, his fiance will stay out of that cult! |
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01 Jul 05 - 11:31 AM (#1513708) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,Wesley S I used to live just south of Clearwater Florida - one of the centers of Scientology. When they came to town they bought two or three of the largest buildings in Clearwater - a bank on Gulf-to-Bay Ave and a hotel on South Ft Harrison Ave - and they paid cash. That's all well and good - it's a free country if you have enough cash. But this is what bothers me. It was widely reported in several newspapers that when the Scientologists moved out of an apartment complex - and into the Harrison Hotel - that they left several machine pistols behind in the apartments they vacated. I can understand that when you move out of a place that you are liable to leave some things behind by mistake - but machine pistols ? If they forgot the machine guns - what did they remember to take ?? The bazookas ? Cannons ? I guess I get a little suspicious when I see a hotel run by a "religious" order that has security guards packing .45's. Hmmm.... |
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01 Jul 05 - 11:56 AM (#1513731) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Rasener My daughter had sleep problems whilst on Ritalin. Art if it works and you are happy to take Ritalin, that fine, it is your choice. In children it can affect the growth as well as affect the blood and I think a few more things. Our dentist at the time and a friend was horrified when he knew she was on Ritalin and advised us to get her off it quickly. |
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01 Jul 05 - 12:11 PM (#1513744) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg And I don't think that concerns about Scientology are about "tolerance" or "diversity," either. My experience with the damage Scn does to smart, good people started long before my life in Christ. More than anything else that concerns me about Scn, is the way free will is taken and subsumed by the Scn programming-- while being offered as the height of personal freedom. The inner workings of that programming are profound-- down to the way our brains work, our minds function, our identity is experienced. It's DEEP intrusion on Selfhood-- in the "name" of Self! A lot of Hubbard's crap is a straight rip-off/re-jargoning of simple Old Testament judgementalism. It steals what it purports to condemn and makes hay on that, all at the same time. ~Susan |
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01 Jul 05 - 12:53 PM (#1513779) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Wesley S By the way - I LOVED "War of the Worlds". It won't be remembered at Oscar time - but for a summer popcorn movie it was great. |
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02 Jul 05 - 09:04 AM (#1514141) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice Again, folks, the problem is the DEED not the CREED. Anyone can start their own religion in our country. Beliefs are not the issue. Actions that are criminal and destructive are the issue. |
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02 Jul 05 - 09:17 AM (#1514147) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice Ragdall, TIME magazine was sued by CoS (church of scientology) after they did the article, a famous cover story issue for TIME. CoS has a belief in the "religion" called "fair game". That means anyone who criticizes them is attacked until they are destroyed and that even illegal means are acceptable, because any critic is "fair game". That behavior is the source of many of the legal actions against them, but still the public is clueless about what this group has done. Back in the '90's MTV did a program on cults and mentioned Scientology. As a result, Scientology was able to force MTV to allow a certain amount of advertising FOR Scientology on the MTV channel. Talk about finding a vulnerable target audience for recruiting! |
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02 Jul 05 - 09:26 AM (#1514155) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: John Hardly Good night, Mary Ellen. Good night, John Boy. |
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02 Jul 05 - 09:34 AM (#1514161) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: John Hardly Old man Hubbard has taken over his kind No use thinking, or using your own mind So be my guest if you've got millions to lose Won't you let me dupe you just like Tom Cruise? Ooo eee, ooo eee baby Ooo eee, ooo eee baby Ooo eee, ooo eee baby Won't you let me dupe you just like Tome Cruise? |
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02 Jul 05 - 09:59 AM (#1514176) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice There is a web site dedicated to the "fair game" policy and its victims. Here it is: http://www.fairgamed.org/ Click here |
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02 Jul 05 - 10:09 AM (#1514184) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice Here is a direct link to the stated "fair game" policy. Anyone who criticizes $cientology is designated an "enemy". Look at the penalties for each "lower condition" - Liability, Treason, Doubt, Enemy. The penalty for Enemy is defined and copyrighted by Hubbard, 1967. http://www.fairgamed.org/fairgame.htm |
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02 Jul 05 - 10:46 AM (#1514207) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos With all due respect, I have known more Scientologists than I know Mudcatters. And they are, by and large, cheerful, intelligent, funny and humane people. THey love, laugh, think and work very much the same way you do. And if you prick them, they bleed. I suggest that those of you who offer to explain to others what the "real story" behind Scientology is, without having bothered to learn about, should sign up and take a few courses. Or at least know betterthan to get your "dirt" from popular journals. Almost every criticism you have leveled at Scientology is applicable to almost every religion. Here's an example from the charitable Mrs WYSIWYG, who has in the past so heavily objected to people writing negatively about her own religious ox: And I don't think that concerns about Christianity are about "tolerance" or "diversity," either. My experience with the damage Christianity does to smart, good people started long before my life in Scientology. More than anything else that concerns me about Christianity, is the way free will is taken and subsumed by the Christianity programming-- while being offered as the height of personal freedom. The inner workings of that programming are profound-- down to the way our brains work, our minds function, our identity is experienced. It's DEEP intrusion on Selfhood-- in the "name" of Self! A lot of Christianity crap is a straight rip-off/re-jargoning of simple earlier judgementalism. It steals what it purports to condemn and makes hay on that, all at the same time." This statement, and others like it, demonstrate remarkable willingness to condemn out of ignorance. I think you lot should be embarassed at your own spiteful conduct. You think Scientology's imaginary playmates are bad? Do a side-by-side checklist of characteristics attributed to thetans and those attributed to angels, CHrist, God, etc. You'll find ass much to ridicule on one side as the other. Don't care for science fiction stories of origins? How about "Once upon a time this giant spiritual being waved his hand, and Space existed. And this same spiritual being really wants to know how much you want that new motorcycle, and will punish you for playing with your peepee...And he made you, owns you, watches you ALL the time, and is much too big to fuck around with." At least Scientology's imaginary history has an end date. If you don't like the idea that religion has contributed to deaths, I suggest you steer clear from Christianity, which was directly responsible for the terror, torture and death of millions over the years. And shun Islam, Judaism, Jayneism, Zarathrustrianism, and Christian Science, while you are at. I suggest none of us is so enlightened or knowledgeable as to really be in a position to criticize another's "nonsensical" beliefs. Let me make it clear, I am not a member of the organized cult of Scientology, and have no drum to beat for their various group shenanigans. But I think they have a religion which is their OWN goddamned business. And I think bashing people's philosophies is much too easy to do, having engaged in a certain amount of it myself. We could all do better, if we chose. A |
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02 Jul 05 - 11:55 AM (#1514228) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Rasener They are manipulative Amos and once they have your name and address (unless you secretly move) they pump you unmercifully with letters and they don't give up even if you threaten them. I know cause it happened to me, but fortunately I had the sense to resist their pressures. All theri lettesr went in the bin and there were a lot. Damn nuisance they are. |
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02 Jul 05 - 12:22 PM (#1514243) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos Organized religion is the bane of humanity, Villan. But the behaviour you encountered is the behaviour of the organization, not the subject, and not the self-selcted action of the individuals involved. Rather it is a kind of mass-think that the individuals fall in to when they are wrapped up in an organized power structure. They are completely responsible for participating in it, of course, but it is valuable to make the distinction between what they might do outside such an environment. A manipulative, scheming, self-defensive, conceited organization does not seem to hurt a religion the way it might hurt a retail business, for some reason. The Vatican's hierarchy, the Jesuits, and the right-wing Republican Party come to mind as examples of comparable arrogance. All nutsy religious organizations, all convinced they know what is right and what is best for you, and willing to put you in a hammer-lock to make it happen. A ridiculous and pitiable phenomenon, to be sure, wherever it is found. SPare me from their salvation, no matter what color it is painted. A salvation which exonerates and even prompts such abuse is absurd, cartoon salvation much to be avoided. A |
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02 Jul 05 - 12:40 PM (#1514252) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice Amos, no matter what kind of group, religious or otherwise, crime is wrong. Of course religions through history have done horrible deeds. That doesn't mean we should ignore destructive acts today. Whether it is pedophilia, financial con schemes, whatever... religious groups, old ones and new, do not have the right to be destructive just because they are religions. Many Scient. members have no clue about what CoS is really about because they were carefully indoctrinated to believe that anyone who has anything critical to say is an enemy. The members are generally shielded from hearing the truth as part of the programming. |
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02 Jul 05 - 02:12 PM (#1514299) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: fat B****rd Some years ago whilst Ms. Kidman was appearing in London. Mr. C walked round to the Blockbuster (Video Rental Shop) to er..hire a video. The Shop Person quite correctly asked him for proof of identity, which he didn't have. Despite the fact that his face was on several covers on the shelves Mr. C did not have a hissy fit (unlike Mrs. Thatcher in the supermarket) but went home. If he still has a similar mentality to that then he can't be all bad. I loved The Last Samurai. PS In the UK the sale of Man Utd is a real cause for petitions. Priorities anyone ?? |
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02 Jul 05 - 02:19 PM (#1514307) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Frankham I tend to agree with Amos about the unilateral conditioning of many religious organizations which include branches of Christiantiy, Hinduism, Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, etc. Not all religious observance need to be dissed out of hand, though. But my mantra is keep the Separation Between Church and State high. On the issue of anti-depressants, there is a case to be made for both sides of this issue. 1. In some instances, anti-depressants are helpful to some lives. At the same time, many psychaitrists have become too eager today to give out narcotics because it's easier than dealing with behavioral solutions. 2. Brooke has a point that in some cases, behavioral adjustment is not possible. The pills help. Tom has a point that it's too easy to rely on pills and excercise does help those who are suffering from depression and are able to do so. 3. This Brooke/Tom issue sounds a little like WMD, weapons of mass distraction when there are more important aspects with which to deal like getting out of Iraq. At the same time, depression is one of the number one causes of suicide and it can't be minimalized as a disease. It's serious. My conclusion is that it's important to see the medical abuse of pills and weigh that against the ability of people to follow a behavioral program that would free them from drugs. So, Scientology aside ( or whatever brand of cult is being sold) both Brooke and Tom are correct. Frank Hamilton |
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03 Jul 05 - 10:16 AM (#1514363) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt If Amos is not a scientologist he's a bloody good apologist for them |
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03 Jul 05 - 10:19 AM (#1514365) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg Amos-- to repeat, "My experience with the damage Scientology does to smart, good people...." Not my ignorance. Experience. Research. Time spent listening to people asking for help in recovery. And BTW when you "quoted" me, instead of a copy/paste you inserted the word "Christianity" in place of my abbreviation for Scientology. :~) I stand by my post. I bet others commenting on Scn have some experience, too. I would also point out that I commented negatively on the system of Scn and ther damage it does-- not the people bamboozled by it who have been programmed to pass on the bamboozle. Others' comments have similarly been aimed at the system, not its victims. ~Susan |
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03 Jul 05 - 10:56 AM (#1514389) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos Susan: I intentionally inverted the subjects of Christianity and Scientology in your quote to make a point. You use the word research a bit loosely, I think, but I think you and I would both agree that the difference between subject and systematized organization of subject is very wide. You have often protested this difference in respect to Christianity (the original subject) and Christianity (the systematized practice and organization). You may stand by anything you choose to, but that will not make it more accurate or fair. My comments as regards Christianity are also reflections on the system and the damage it does -- which is extensive -- not the people bamboozled by it and programmed by it to perpetuate the bamboozle. The fact is that organizing religion is a perversion of that which it pretends to be. The truest religion is the most individual, by its nature, and seeking group agreement about it is a sorry substitute, IMHO. I don't much care whether it is the Church of Bob, Ron, Bigfoot or Yaweh, I think this holds true. Except of course for the Temple of the Golden Curve, where group participation simply amplifies the delights of the learning curve and puts people more in touch. A |
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03 Jul 05 - 11:19 AM (#1514410) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: GUEST,Stilly River Sage Alice said: Many Scient. members have no clue about what CoS is really about because they were carefully indoctrinated to believe that anyone who has anything critical to say is an enemy. The members are generally shielded from hearing the truth as part of the programming. The same can be said about any of the organized industrial religions. The opiate for the masses, Marx called them, with very good reason. And I like this, from Bertrand Russell: "Religion in any shape or form is regarded [by Russell] as pernicious and deliberate falsehood, spread and encouraged by rulers and clerics in their own interests, since it is easier to control over the ignorant." Any time you have organized religions and practitioners who accept it all without critical thought you'll have abuses. I agree with Amos and Frankham on this (to no one's surprise). I read a few entries in this thread when it first started, and back then it was just silly. I wonder now at all of the things jumbled together in this thread, with very little thoughtful consideration behind it. Next we'll be reading that someone is practicing cannibalism because they read Jonathan Swift. Nonsensical leaps and conclusions are just that--nonsensical. Does Cruise's lack of understanding of the issues involving depression and drugs that treat it have ANYTHING to do with Scientology, any more than it has to do with Christianity? Or Judaism or Hinduism? I don't think so. I think the man just isn't as informed on this issue as he could be, regardless of his religion. SRS |
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03 Jul 05 - 11:31 AM (#1514412) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg I am sure there are many organizational similarities between Scn and any other organized "religion," because organizations of all sorts tend to have certain similarities that come with becoming organized and from operating as an organization over time. But this does not equate to an assumption that they are all equally well-intentioned, equally positive in their effects on indivuduals and groups, or potentially harmful/beneficial. The underlying beliefs (both the openly/intentionally held sort and unexamined or covert assumptions) play roles that create difference. It's also very interesting how beliefs people hold can collide, when one juxtaposes them. An example is juxtaposing beliefs about the Temple of the Golden Globes, and Meatspace. Amos, you have written about both, extensively... what's up with THAT!? Perhaps before pursuing the more potentially divisive topics in comparative religion, you might wrestle with that one? ~Susan |
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03 Jul 05 - 11:34 AM (#1514415) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: wysiwyg Does Cruise's lack of understanding of the issues involving depression and drugs that treat it have ANYTHING to do with Scientology, any more than it has to do with Christianity? YES. It is not a lack of understanding-- it's a programmed rant FROM Scientology, that supports Scn's marketing plan to distinguish itself from the competition. ~S~ |
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03 Jul 05 - 11:37 AM (#1514418) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos Mag: His stand against the use of psychoactive pharmaceuticals is Scientology-derived, whether it is well-informed or not. It is the C of S' position, generally, that "psychiatric" drugs are more suppressors than helpers to the being within, and that "depression" is, to over-simplify somewhat, essentially a problem of the psyche, not a problem of chemistry; therefore to insist on its being chemical in nature is to worsen the situation by inserting a wrong diagnosis and adding to the myriad false data the being is already wrestling with. Obviously, all this has some merit, as Frank Hamilton points out above, but to hold it as an absolutist position is, I think, a little too easy, for the reasons covered in Brooke SHields' piece. A |
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03 Jul 05 - 12:17 PM (#1514440) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos An example is juxtaposing beliefs about the Temple of the Golden Globes, and Meatspace. Amos, you have written about both, extensively... what's up with THAT!? Perhaps before pursuing the more potentially divisive topics in comparative religion, you might wrestle with that one? Ya know, I yam orful sorry, but I fail to see any wrassling match here. We are all stuck half in and half out of meat space, and if we cannot laugh about it a bit, we are sorry sacks indeed. It is obvious to me and I hope to others that the compulsion to watch breasts in American males is very much a meatspace phenomenon, a cry of some brainless protoplasmic something-or-other and that any attempt to elevate it to the level of a religion is merely a humorous commentary on the rather mellerdramatic nature of "religions" in meatspace, which are comic operas in their own right. And I see nothing divisive, particularly, about the things I have said -- at least they don't divide me! :D I was simply standing up against a wave of rather scurrilous rumor-mongering and generalized nabobbery, as is certainly my right. A |
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03 Jul 05 - 01:09 PM (#1514489) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Rasener Well in fairness Tom did manage to cure Dustin Hoffman of Autism - didn't he? :-) |
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03 Jul 05 - 02:36 PM (#1514555) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice SRS wrote: Does Cruise's lack of understanding of the issues involving depression and drugs that treat it have ANYTHING to do with Scientology, any more than it has to do with Christianity? Or Judaism or Hinduism? I don't think so. I think the man just isn't as informed on this issue as he could be, regardless of his religion. ------ SRS, he is not just ill-informed, he is promoting the agenda of CoS, which the group grooms all of its celebrities to do. Hubbard started CoS when he was Nothing I have posted here is "rumor". It is well-researched fact. Whether it is CoS or any other group out to vicitimize and recruit the vulnerable, I believe people should have information so they can be fully informed to make their own decisions. FULLY INFORMED OF FACTS... that is my point. CoS was not a religion when Hubbard started it. As Dianetics, it was a pseudoscientific practice that made untrue claims about mental health. He started the Church of Scientology because Hubbard was getting into trouble for making claims he could not substantiate. By creating a church he protected himself. That way, anyone who criticized it could be written off as a "bigot". |
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03 Jul 05 - 02:38 PM (#1514560) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Alice sorry, didn't finish one of my sentences above,..." Hubbard started CoS when he was in trouble for his claims about mental health care. |
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03 Jul 05 - 03:03 PM (#1514575) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Stilly River Sage L. Ron Hubbard disappeared years ago, didn't he? Has he ever turned up? (I am not interested enough in his story to bother to research this, I'll just throw the question out there). I remember when Dianetics was such a big hit, so have tended it ignore the whole thing--Hubbard was debunked years ago. Good ol' Sixty Minutes did him in, as I recall. SRS |
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03 Jul 05 - 03:25 PM (#1514587) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos Alice: I beg to differ with you on a couple of key points. First, the subject of Dianetics itself was surviving the controversy stirred up by Hubbard's exaggerations and the controversy he engendered witht he APA and AMA. But another, more important change, had more to do with the transition to Scientology. Early Dianetics, involved with tracing traumatic experiences through prior chains of similar associated experiences, made a hypothesis that since all traumatic chains seem to center around the incident of birth, it was possible that the key element in resolving human neurosis and psychosis lay in addressing that period of time. But people, being ornery as they are, did not uniformly respond by turning into "clears" when birth traumas were addressed. Instead, they began to come up with pre-birth experiences. The code of conduct which governs Dianetics requires that the practitioner accept whatever information the client comes up with, without challenging it. This principle is also espoused by some, but not all, other psychological practices. Rogerian therapy is a case in point. Anyway, in a significant number of cases, people came up with not only pre-birth but prior lifetime experiences. THis shattered the Dianetic model of memory and mind, which up to that time was brain and cell-based. Several years of trials and testing of one angle or another on this question led to a couple of conclusions. One was that there were enough instances of this sort of thing to be meaningful, and that addressing such experiences as genuine produced relief of affect and symptoms in enough cases to make it mandatory not to ignore them; because it was found when they were ignored, and the client was constrained only to running this lifetime's experiences, they did not achieve those results. And at that time, the hope of achieving results was the major motivation of all Dianetic activities. Unfortunately the notion of prior lifetimes was not popular, and the then Board of the Dianetic Foundation tried to insist that these findings be suppressed in order not to interfere with the popularity wave Dianetics was still enjoying, by dampening the enthusiasm of the market. Hubbard chose, instead, to expand the model to include these discoveries, and migrated to a spiritual rather than a cellular model of thought and its concomitant confusions. This meant trying to learn more about the entity that survived from one lifetime to another, its role in human nature and its potentialities. Since the Board at the time would not release the copyrights and trademarks of Dianetics, Hubbard founded an organization around this rather dramatic new direction, which was called scientology. He later won back the Dianetic trademarks in litigation, a course of action he was perhaps overly fond of. So I think your shorthand popular press version is perhaps less well-researched than you assert, and your facts are a bit too few to justify your conclusions, or those of your sources. I have compiled this abridged history from Hubbard's writings, conversations with him and those who knew him, and the dates of various technical papers he published on his explorations. The argument about using religion to describe the activities of the organization once it made the leap from the cellular model to the more spirit-centric one is complicated, but essentially I think it was justifiable given the territory into which he was entering at the time. In the final analysis, I don't really much care about the organization he left behind, as I find it, like the Church of Rome, to be heavy-handed and dogmatic, as to a large degree he himself became in later years. As, too, the Mormons, Baptists, Muslims and Jaynes have become. The notion of spiritual renewal or discovery gets old very fast when it is mixed up with sanctimony, unwarranted authority and dogmatic certainty, IMHO, regardless of what label is used to brand it. But I do like to get all sides of the story onto the table; I think that is only fair. A. |
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03 Jul 05 - 10:07 PM (#1514845) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: dianavan I don't much care what Tom Cruise believes or doesn't believe but even if he disagrees with the use of drugs by Brooke Shields, he had no right to use her name to make a point. The decision to use medically prescribed drugs is a personal decision and should not be discussed publicly. If he discussed her medical condition in an interview, it only shows how little he knows about post partum depression. Maybe he should run over to her house and change a few diapers and feed the bawling baby, make her a cup of tea and give her a foot massage if he wants to be helpful. Anything other than that is just adding to her misery. Maybe he should try giving birth and never getting a good nights sleep for months. Post partum depression is real only I didn't know what to call it when I experienced it. I wondered why other new mothers were so happy and I was so miserable. I felt so alone and so isolated. I can only describe it as feeling numb. Luckily, Dad was a tremendous help and after a couple of months, I got the swing of it. Not all mothers are so lucky. |
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03 Jul 05 - 10:36 PM (#1514857) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Frankham Alice, Tom Cruise is insensitive on this issue for sure. Why bother to sign a petition? If you don't care for what he says or does, avoid his movies. Or you could write letters to the movie company that hires him. Tell them what you think. A petition just calls attention to his stupidity in making this a public issue. I guarantee you there are those who will side with him. Actually, he will continue to be popular and make movies about nothing because people want this. What he should do is apologize to Brooke Shields and women in general. He should remember that women put him where he is in the first place. Does that tell you something about where our popular culture is these days? OK sign a petition if you think it helps any. Personally, I think the best way is a boycott. I don't shop at Walmarts. Now I will avoid his movies. Frank Hamilton |
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03 Jul 05 - 11:12 PM (#1514875) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Stilly River Sage Frank, I never went to his movies to begin with. I'm already at a Cruise deficit, so what's a body to do? (I don't shop at Walmart, either.) :) |
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03 Jul 05 - 11:34 PM (#1514882) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: jacqui.c I will go to see War of the Worlds to see what Spielberg has done with this classic story. I can see no reason to boycott the film purely because the leading man shows himself up as an empty headed fool. With regard to his influencing others I think that advertisers in general do that every day of the week. For my own part I consider that organised religion in general can be unhealthily influencial to the gullible. |
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04 Jul 05 - 01:15 AM (#1514902) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Peace "Who? Is he an actor? In something current?" Tom Cruise is a missile that can be launched from ships, boats, aircraft or ground. The masculine Cruise Missiles (those that don't ever ask for directions and so sometimes get lost) are called Tom. The feminine variety are called are you ready for this? Imona. HA HA HA |
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04 Jul 05 - 01:15 AM (#1514903) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Peace LOL |
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04 Jul 05 - 01:24 AM (#1514907) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie hahhah I've never been on a cruise- the closest I ever came to it was on an Alaska State ferry one Christmas Day when there were only 24 people on board. Felt like my own private yacht. |
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04 Jul 05 - 03:10 PM (#1514955) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos LOL, Bruce. :D A |
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04 Jul 05 - 03:25 PM (#1514959) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Rasener For my daughters 14th birthday, she wants to see the new film War of The Worlds in the Uk. However I see that Tom Cruise is in it. Is it likely that a mob of scientologists are likely to swoop on my daughter and her friends and convert them? Should I send bodyguards with them? Serious answers please LOL :-) |
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04 Jul 05 - 03:43 PM (#1514970) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Peace I saw the original at a movie place in the basement of a Presbyterian church in Montreal. It then cost $.25 to get in and chips were a nickle a bag, pop a dime and there was a choice of five or ten cent chocolate bars. Every Friday night there was a new movie, but there was also about 20 minutes of a cliff hanger. I guess I was ten when I saw the movie and I was very impressed by the special effects, especially the beams of light that came out of the Martian attack ships. I lived about two miles from the 'theatre', and the movie let out at about 11:00 PM. I walked home that evening with my good friend, Don. It was dark, and there was not much traffic on the streets. We were passing an alley when a cat (I'm guessing) knocked the lid off a metal garbage can. Don and I stopped running about a half mile later after we crossed over the Fifth Aven Bridge that connected Verdun and Cote St Paul. The bridge spanned a disused canal, and after the vampire movies (and because we knew that vampires couldn't cross running water) that bridge was the target to reach before all the blood was sucked from our bodies by humans disguised as bats. Anyway, that's my memory of War of the Worlds. Tom Cruise, Scientology and scantily clad females (I am guessing there will be some) won't be able to top that memory for me. Hope y'all enjoy the show, and if you hear any garbage can lids smacking the pavement in a dark lane, run real fast and cross a bridge. It worked for Don and me. |
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04 Jul 05 - 03:46 PM (#1514974) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Peace Sorry. That should read Fifth Avenue Bridge. |
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04 Jul 05 - 11:24 PM (#1515042) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Ebbie LOL Love the story. A segue: A friend of mine and her brother went to see Psycho (I think-,,suddenly I'm not sure which movie it was) when they were in their early teens. They got out of the theatre at about 11:00 and commenced to walk the few blocks to their hone. Suddenly a tarp (she thinks) rattled in the breeze and, screaming at the top of their lungs, both kids went into a headlong panicked run the rest of the way home. She says she could see lights flash on in the dark houses along their way, one after another after another after another... |
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05 Jul 05 - 12:43 AM (#1515100) Subject: RE: BS: Petition To Boycott Tom Cruise From: Amos Well, I went to a nearby mall to see it, and the audience seemed like normal enough folks. The movie was a disappointment, though. Spielberg was melodramatic, Cruise inadequate. His daughter was a real marvel. A |