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BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?

13 Aug 05 - 02:26 AM (#1541522)
Subject: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

Watched "Druids".

It was so bad it was funny, and therefore, good. Looked like it was dubbed over from French. I believe it was titled "Vercingetorix" in France and was made in 2001. Christopher Lambert's lisp had me cracking up all the way through it, almost as much as his goofy wig.

"I am Verthingetoricth!"


13 Aug 05 - 06:21 AM (#1541599)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Got dragged to Dukes Of Hazzard for a chums birthday...

It stank like a dock-side whore at low tide, just like I thought it would... it was almost as bad as Star Wars Ep. III...


13 Aug 05 - 07:14 AM (#1541637)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit

The new version of Charlie and the Chocolate factory, with Johnny Depp looking like Micahel Jackson in drag, is a bit of a turkey. My son enjoyed it. Maybe you have to be six to really appreciate these things properly.


13 Aug 05 - 08:11 AM (#1541668)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Given that I'm sick to death of Johnny Depp and how he TRIES to be 'different' and that I'm of the opinion that Tim Burton peaked with Beetlejuice, (and everything after that has been tired old rehash) I'm giving C&tCF a WIDE berth... I will evenutally see it when the Moive Network (sorta Canadian Pay TV) runs it late at night when I'm home after a good gig, to wired to sleep... But only if there's no porn on...


13 Aug 05 - 09:11 AM (#1541697)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: LilyFestre

I went with a friend and her 4 children to see Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and hated it. The kids seemed to like it though. Give the me the classic version with Gene Wilder anyday!!!

Michelle

PS. I'm hoping to see the Wedding Crashers this weekend...hope I don't have to post here again!


13 Aug 05 - 09:23 AM (#1541704)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Skipjack K8

Why bother with recent crocks of shite when you can cringe at the classic 'Footloose'. What a turkey that was!


13 Aug 05 - 09:25 AM (#1541708)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,mack/misophist

I haven't seen a new movie since 'Paton'. That doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me.


13 Aug 05 - 09:28 AM (#1541711)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: John MacKenzie

Watched Leon the Pig farmer on DVD the other day, and apart from a hilarious performance by Brian Glover it was more turkey than pig farm. Strange when you look at the cast Here
Giok


13 Aug 05 - 09:39 AM (#1541724)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

You've been living in a bell jar, eh, mack? ;-) There have been plenty of great movies since Patton, although...it's hard to find them among the thousands and thousands of terribly bad movies!

You might have enjoyed "The Aviator"...a very fine film. You also might have enjoyed "Catch Me If You Can". Both of them, oddly enough, had Leonardo DiCaprio in them, and they were both great.

I am happy to say I have NOT seen a crappy movie lately. I've been VERY careful. I've seen 2 movies in the last...umm...4 months? Clinton, I am amused that you blew $10 on "The Dorks of Hazzard"! ;-) It could only have been worse than terrible...


13 Aug 05 - 09:46 AM (#1541732)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

As a regular TV watcher, I see little else, but I no longer bother watching them.

That's the advantage of TV. You can ditch the movie without losing the ten quid it costs to see it at a cinema.

DT


13 Aug 05 - 09:51 AM (#1541735)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: John MacKenzie

I haven't been inside a cinema for about 20 years.
Giok


13 Aug 05 - 09:55 AM (#1541738)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River

You have gotta be flippin' jokin'!!! Are you still alive?

- BDiBR (Shane)


13 Aug 05 - 10:04 AM (#1541749)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: RangerSteve

I rented "Sideways" recently. According to the blurbs on the box, it was the funniest movie EVER!!!! I grinned three times during the whole thing. I was more depressed afterwards than amused. I can't not recommend it enough.


13 Aug 05 - 10:13 AM (#1541752)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: curmudgeon

We watched "Sideways" last week - complete crap, more yawns than grins. It was boring too -- Tom


13 Aug 05 - 10:58 AM (#1541773)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Liz the Squeak

I thought 'War of the Worlds' had a terrible script (maybe if the writer had actually read the original book rather than quoting Richard Burton's juicy bits from the Jeff Wayne musical version....) and the jerky camera action made Manitas seasick. And Tom Cruise is not ageing well....

Limpit thought Madagascar was 'crap' so I will probably laugh like a drain at it when I eventually get to see it.

LTS


13 Aug 05 - 12:26 PM (#1541822)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit

Gene Wilder was what made the difference in the first version of C&TCF. I don't think the novel was one of Roald Dahl's better efforts, either.
There seems to be a slew of excruciating movies at the moment. I mean films with too much money and too few ideas. Some of the scripts would have been improved by burning. The last Harry Potter film was a serious contender for the most abysmal script ever written. It was almost down to the Enid Blyton class of writing. Is there anyone around who can write a dynamic, literate, entertaining script any more? There probably is, but they would not be allowed within a mile of Hollywood.


13 Aug 05 - 01:20 PM (#1541839)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Sideways was GREAT, if you're NOT "Miles"

Remember fun?


13 Aug 05 - 01:31 PM (#1541846)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow

I'm quite interested in hearing about movies people think are good, and why; but when it comes to people griping about movies they went to that they wished they hadn't, it seems a pretty pointless exercise.

The first way, it might help me see something I wouldn't otherwise, and appreciate it more I would otherwise. The second at best might save me seeing somethimg I probably wouldn't see in any case, and might actually put me off seeing something I actually might enjoy.

In order take any notice whatsoever of what a film critic, amateur or professional, has to say you have to have learnt quite a lot about how their tastes compare to yours. There are newspaper critics where I know that a favourable review means a dreadful film, and a terrible review almost guarantees I'll like the film. But I've had a chance to get to calibrate them, so to speak.


13 Aug 05 - 01:40 PM (#1541853)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Hamish

The last Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith. Ouch!

Going to see Charlie and the Chocolate factory at the end of the month. You've got me all worried now... (By the way, there's another remake, featuring a Labrador dog who gets mixed up with some Colombian drug barons. It's called "Chocolate and the Charlie Factory" (only kidding!)


13 Aug 05 - 01:44 PM (#1541856)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

" Clinton, I am amused that you blew $10 on "The Dorks of Hazzard"!"

To quote Crispin Glovers character in The Rivers Edge...

"The thiiings I dooo for my faaawwking friieeends mmmmaaaaaawwwn...."

heh


13 Aug 05 - 01:55 PM (#1541861)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: fat B****rd

I read William Bradford Huie's "The Klansman" years ago and when the film came out with Marvin and Burton I was after seeing it. Never happened ! Not long ago I bought it on DVD. AND IT'S AWFUL. What a waste.


13 Aug 05 - 02:03 PM (#1541867)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Fullerton

Alexander

So I gave Hollywood another chance to make a good historical film.

Alexander is not it.

Irish accents. IRISH ACCENTS !!!!!!!! and bad ones at that.


13 Aug 05 - 02:19 PM (#1541877)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: John MacKenzie

I'm sure Hollywood is bursting at the seams with writers who have great ideas, and great scripts/screenplays. What it doesn't have is anybody with the vision to put money into their projects. Movies cost so much to make nowadays, and the backers want sure fire winners. So forget originality, re-write another classic movie like ____________ [add you own title] and cast actors who are proven box-office. Originality or intelligent entertainment? Forget it!!
Giok


15 Aug 05 - 05:46 AM (#1542022)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Liz the Squeak

"Chocolate and the Charlie Factory.."!!!

I really think that one has the potential for being out there..... I'd go and see it!!!

LTS


15 Aug 05 - 06:11 AM (#1542032)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Le Scaramouche

Alexander? I thought it was one of the better historical films and the best Anceints one. They made a genuine effort to get things straight and be as accurate as they could for a film. The screenplay wasn't bad either.
The reason they used Irish accents was to represent the fact that Macedonians were not Greek, but borderline barbarians with a different way of speaking. A lot of thought was put into it.


15 Aug 05 - 07:03 AM (#1542058)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Lowden Jameswright

Seen any decent ones?


15 Aug 05 - 07:29 AM (#1542065)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Guy Who Thinks

Agonize with the grainy, grueling, utterly distasteful "Breaking the Waves" (1996). Then reel in disbelief at the jaw-dropping ending. Called the best film of the '90s by some reviewers.

Emily Watson's superb performance only adds to the wretchedness of the entire experience.


15 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM (#1542072)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Tam the man

Titanic and Grease, and many many morre

Titanic, was crap for me, when I saw Leoardo de crapio as an Irishman with an american accent, I mean come on.

And Grease, I just grew to hate the film, because I forced to see 6 nights in a row, and when I was bavysitting for me sister her daughter would play the recored constinly (spelling) it just drove me daft, in a way that when it comes on telly, or any programme that is about Grease, I just get out the room or just switch over.

Tam


15 Aug 05 - 10:24 AM (#1542197)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: *daylia*

Bought Bruce Lee's "Game of Death" in March, finally sat down to watch it last night. Now I LOVE the martial arts, have always had the utmost respect for Bruce Lee - but 20 minutes later I could take no more. YAWWWWWN .... stop ... rewind .... CHUCK!!

It wasn't him - he's awesome! - it's the "plot"! (??) How did he ever become the icon he is today starring in brainless tripe like that?!?


15 Aug 05 - 10:52 AM (#1542222)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: number 6

Hostage with Bruce Willis ..... watched about about 20 mins of it than took it out of the dvd player. I can proudly say I didn't rent it, my daughter loaned it to me.

I agree with LH ... the Aviator was a good movie.

sIx


15 Aug 05 - 11:02 AM (#1542236)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,leeneia

"Seen any decent ones?"

Secret of Roan Inish
Winged Migration
Intimate Strangers - not as good as the others, but better than most movies out there.

FYI - I hardly ever go to the movies, so I can't say anything about recent releases.


15 Aug 05 - 11:16 AM (#1542250)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: John MacKenzie

Although it does not qualify in any way according to the title of this thread, I walked out of Bonnie and Clyde, the only time I ever did that.
Giok


15 Aug 05 - 11:47 AM (#1542275)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Mr Red

School of Rock - the acting was excellent, the music absolutely right, the story well thought through. Cinematography spot on. But the publicity was pitched as an intelligent thought provoking romp.

It was a kiddies film fer gawds sake.

So not such a crappy movie as a con.


15 Aug 05 - 11:55 AM (#1542283)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Uncle_DaveO

Clinton Hammond:

As to Dukes of Hazzard I heard a radio reviewer recently on the subject, and he said something like, "I was supposed to review this movie, but I found there's no movie there to review. What it is, is a collection of exploitable elements, but there's no movie there." He went on, but that's the essential message.

Dave Oesterreich


15 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM (#1542291)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Ellenpoly

These are a bit old since I wait for them to come out at my Rental Store or Library...

"The Aviator" was rubbish. I was really disappointed and am starting to come to the conclusion that Scorcese is losing it. Sad that, but it was a total bore, with Leo De Caprio badly miscast.

"The Road to Perdition" great cast wasted on a dreadful film. I kept asking myself "Why was this made"?

and decent?

"Sideways". Nothing huge, but a small, well written film with characters written in the grey areas, not just black and white. Made me WISH I could drink wine!!


15 Aug 05 - 01:40 PM (#1542341)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

Renting "Birth" has resulted in a banning of all future Nicole Kidman movies from our household. Not that I ever liked her much anyway; I've always had an inherent and unexplainable dislike for her. This was just the frond that fractured the dromedary's spine.


15 Aug 05 - 01:41 PM (#1542343)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

"Million Dollar Baby"!!! How this won all those awards I do not know! I'm a big boxing fan, but this film bored the pants off me. Okay, there's some great acting going on, but the plot - and particularly, the ending - is so corny!


15 Aug 05 - 01:51 PM (#1542355)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,maire-aine

Film I hated most: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon! Usually I just pass up something if I'm not enthusiastic, but my friend told me I'd "love" it. Right. If I'd had my own car, I'd've got up and left.

Funny-- after all this time, that one movie still bugs me.

M


15 Aug 05 - 02:03 PM (#1542366)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Oooooh! CTHD was GREAT! And Hero was even better!

:-P

I sat (laid) through 'Dude Where's The Party' and 'Harold And Kumar Go TO White Castle' the other night (The joys of The Movie Network) and they were goofy enough to be enjoyable... The were no "But I'm A Cheerleader" but I didn't resent the time I invested...


15 Aug 05 - 02:18 PM (#1542374)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Big Al Whittle

recently only one film drove me out - can't remeber the title but it was about a an American who became a princess. i needed to pass an hour and I did, or so it seemed in about 15 minutes.

so many great films - I cant see what you're complaining about

Life is Sweet
Amelie
Monsters Ball
Iris
That Thing You Do

sure they make some bad ones but they have to churn out rubbish for idiots. they makeup the largest part of the customers.


15 Aug 05 - 02:20 PM (#1542376)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

Miyazaki's "Howl's Moving Castle" was a very poor successor to the wonderful "Spirited Away". The kids liked it, anyway.

Haven't seen it yet but I predict "Da Vinci Code" will suck worse than the book because it will not only have to be stupid, but PC as well.


15 Aug 05 - 02:58 PM (#1542389)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

See, I suspect that The Da Vinci Code will make a good movie, casue they'll be able to improve the ending...


15 Aug 05 - 03:01 PM (#1542392)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Big Al Whittle

Rumour is that Tom Hanks and Ian McKellen are on location in Lincoln this week filming the said da vinci code


15 Aug 05 - 03:07 PM (#1542395)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

I donno that that's much of a rumour...   Probably more like fact...

Too bad The Da Vinci Code is so lacking in same....

:-P


15 Aug 05 - 03:52 PM (#1542438)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

"Anchorman", I'm still not sure about. But I laughed my ass off. Same with "Old School".


15 Aug 05 - 04:09 PM (#1542449)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

This past weekend I watched "Billy Jack Goes to Washington".   When I was in high school, the Billy Jack films were huge. The mixed messages that gave were just what my generation was looking for - at the time.

"Billy Jack Goes to Washington" never saw theatrical release. Watching the DVD, I'm not sure they ever finished it! Based on the Jimmy Stewart classic "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", this film lacked the acting skills of Jimmy Stewart and Claude Rains. Because the story was about politics, there was no need for the fight scenes that made Billy Jack popular. Still, they threw in one scene just so we could see him take off his boots and kick the crap out of a band of knife wielding African Americans.

I can see why it was never released.


15 Aug 05 - 04:13 PM (#1542451)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

Just saw CTHD (from the library) and quite liked it. I didn't think it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, not in the running with the classic B&W Japanese samurai flicks. But it was pleasant eye candy and a good date flick.

I didn't 'get' the greatness of the hidden wires part of the deal. But the fighting choreography was excellent. It quite made me reflect on the dramatic uses of fight scenes and the 'love of battle' depicted in plays and movies versus the worse than dreary reality of it.


15 Aug 05 - 04:21 PM (#1542456)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: number 6

Monster's Ball ... one of the best I've seen in a long time.

Thanks for mentioning that weelittledrummer.

sIx


15 Aug 05 - 04:21 PM (#1542457)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

"Anchorman"

HA! "I love lamp..."

Oh... here ya go... worst movie EVER!

Napolion Dynamite!

Gah.... What a total waste of time and space that POS was!


15 Aug 05 - 04:48 PM (#1542474)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

I think Napoleon Dynamite is a generational thing.   People under 25 seem to love that film.


15 Aug 05 - 04:58 PM (#1542479)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Ya... stupid people under 25.... (actually I know more than a few cases where 'adults' loved it too... they lose points in my book for it)

:-P
heh


15 Aug 05 - 04:59 PM (#1542480)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

Now now Clinton, we all have different tastes and needs to be fullfilled!   :)


15 Aug 05 - 05:07 PM (#1542488)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

Pet Hate: Independence Day, was recently shown on TV, imagining having to sit through that bit of waste and have to watch commercials, too.
Bad Writing, Bad Casting, and pirated plot, full of bathos and the directors' somewhat dated hostility to New York City.


15 Aug 05 - 05:34 PM (#1542509)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Don't be a whimp Ron!

:-P


15 Aug 05 - 07:30 PM (#1542608)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow

" 'The Road to Perdition' great cast wasted on a dreadful film."

I thought that was an excellent film. See what I mean about "might actually put me off seeing something I actually might enjoy"?

"Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive..."


15 Aug 05 - 07:49 PM (#1542631)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

"Road to Perdition" was underwhelming. Some first class actors, feeble plot, cliche father-son interaction.

"I want the money, but only the 'mob' money!" give me a break!

Totally predictable ending, by the time it showed up I was waiting for the SOB knowing they'd all get theirs in the end 'sob'.

The same folks who gave us "Independence Day" also gave us the most boring version of Godzilla ever, and the self righteously fatuous "Day After Tomorrow" the only film that could make me feel sorry for Dick Cheney! And again they wrecked New York, silly buggers.


15 Aug 05 - 09:44 PM (#1542737)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit

I enjoyed Crouching Tiger a lot. I also had the bonus of seeing Choo Keng again for the first time since 1983. She was a sweet kid at college -very quiet, unassuming and never one of the "Look at me" type of the prevailing drama cliques at the time. She was a fine dancer and someone you sat across from in the student canteen from time to time. I never knew her well. The film industry gave her a new name (Michelle Yeoh) and a new date of birth (I wouldn't mind one of those sometimes!) She was the last person you would have expected all that to happen to at the time. Good luck to her. I thought that was a really stylishly realised film.


15 Aug 05 - 10:56 PM (#1542808)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Chuck

"Natural Born Killers" is not exactly recent, but it's enough to gag a maggot


15 Aug 05 - 11:10 PM (#1542812)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

Natural Born Killers was GREAT!   I LAUGHTED my ASS off all the way through it... I mean com'on... Rodney Dangerfield as a diddlin' daddy?!?!?! How much more clue do ya need that it's satire???


16 Aug 05 - 12:41 AM (#1542846)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I thought Natural Born Killers was pretty amazing...and, yes, VERY satirical. That's what made it so good. (and I normally have no interest in movies with that kind of subject matter...meaning, extreme violence). I loved it.

I agree that Independence Day and Godzilla by the same people ought to both get on the 10 worst movies of all time list!

I liked "Road to Perdition" fairly well. I give it a 7.5, I guess.

The Billy Jack movies....ah, y' had to be there at the time to appreciate them. If you were a member of the embattled generation (as we saw ourselves), then you kind of liked them...at the time...but, by God, 10 years later you realized just how AWFULLY BAD they actually were! LOL! When I was staying at Rolling Thunder's camp there was a truck there that Tom Laughlin had donated to the camp, and it had the Billy Jack hat painted on the doors. Good truck, I'd have to say. We used it to haul lots of stuff. Rolling Thunder and his son Buffalo Horse got bit parts in the 2nd or 3rd film..."The Trial of Billy Jack". It was an excruciatingly bad movie.

The concept of people who are in favour of peace and nonviolence having a hero who beats the shit out of all the "bad guys" and seeks out remorseless and deadly revenge upon the worst of them is really one that seriously misses the moral point, in my opinion.

But, hey, it makes for good box office, right? In an unenlightened society, nothing sells like violent revenge stories...


16 Aug 05 - 04:52 AM (#1542932)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit

That has been going on for some time Little Hawk. People still make a hero out of a neurotic schmuck like Hamlet and Titus Andronicus's quest for revenge is almost funny. I guess we are not as different to the seventeenth century as we sometimes like to believe!


16 Aug 05 - 04:55 AM (#1542935)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Le Scaramouche

Shakespeare could make Tarantino blush.
Titus Andronicus has no redeeming features, pretty mediocre play as well, but with Hamlet there is the whole psychological angle.


16 Aug 05 - 09:58 AM (#1543057)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

Little Hawk, "Billy Jack Goes to Washington" makes "Trial of Billy Jack" look like "Citizen Kane"!   The amazing thing is that Laughlin dragged respected actors like Pat O'Brien (in one of his last roles) and E.G. Marshall into this. To watch them struggle with crap dialogue is amazing. There are several scenes were Laughlin used his amateur actors trying to improvise dialogue. They break up laughing in supposedly serious dialogue, all in an attempt to capture "realism".    The plot was so far-fetched. A senator passes away and the govenor decides to spring Billy Jack from jail and let him serve the last two months of the term. Who dreamt this stuff?

An ex-green beret, Native American, pacifist and a martial arts master - if only he could sing and dance he would have conquered all audiences!

If anyone wants to grab a bowl of popcorn and laugh at a seriously flawed film, this is the one!


16 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM (#1543159)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit

I think you have identified a genre of film there Ron: Films which are so bad they are unintentionally funny. Some of the fifties science fiction films were deserving candidates. "Mars Needs Women" was hilarious.


16 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM (#1543205)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

First heard "Titus Andronicus" over the radio. It 'sounded' like Shakesepeare but what sex and violence! Hypnotized me as little else could.


16 Aug 05 - 01:10 PM (#1543240)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,saulgoldie

I thought Anchorman was pretty lame. Same with Elf. Just don't think the scripts that Will Ferrel gets are all that good, it seems. I was also pretty disappointed with the Martin Short Jiminy Glick Goes to La La Wood, although I do think he is pretty talented.

I recently saw a movie from a few years back called "I'm Not Rappaport" that I thought was very cute.

Not planning on seeing War of the Worlds with crazy man Cruise. I'll read the book instead. But The Da Vinci Code is intriguing.

The list goes on...


16 Aug 05 - 01:18 PM (#1543253)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

If they improve the end, the Da Vinci Code will make a pretty good movie...


16 Aug 05 - 01:32 PM (#1543266)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: ard mhacha

Can any of you movie buffs give me your opinion on Gods and Generals, starring Stephen Lang and Robert Duval, as I am interested in the US Civil War a friend has promised me copy for the week-end.


16 Aug 05 - 01:41 PM (#1543274)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Clinton Hammond

I haven't seen it, but I've read good things about it...

Hard to go far wrong with Robert Duval....


16 Aug 05 - 02:00 PM (#1543290)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I loved "Gods and Generals"...but that's not surprising, because:

1. I love Civil War history

2. I love the South, Stonewall Jackson, Mars Robert, etc...

3. There's a terrific Bob Dylan song playing over the final credits.

Really, what more could I ask? It is a very accurate historical depiction of the first 2 years of the Civil War in the field of action...during which the South won a number of spectacular victories, due to the brilliant combination of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and Longstreet, plus Jeb Stuart's cavalry.

If, however, the historical details mean little or nothing to you, then you may not like the movie all that much, I suppose.


16 Aug 05 - 03:10 PM (#1543345)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Lighter

"Gods and Generals" : For the first time in my life I found myself agreeing with something in The National Review, namely their very positive take on this movie, along with some reasons why virtually every other critic detested it.

The film's big flaw is that the dialogue sounds too much like a nineteenth-century novel. Nobody could have spoken routinely in such long, perfectly formed sentences ! Could they ?

Other than that, it's exceptionally well done and very believable. Even better than "Gettysburg," IMHO.


16 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM (#1543347)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: ard mhacha

All modesty aside I think I will have no trouble with historical details, I have researched for many years the Irish soldiers part in the CW, thanks to both of your recommenadtions I am looking forward to the film.


16 Aug 05 - 03:17 PM (#1543349)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: mumblin len

If your looking for pseudo Europeans - you can't do better than the current Governor of California playing "Hercules in New York". The blurb proclaims "with his own voice ". Well - who else's would he use ? Biggest load of drivel ever. Made about 1969. Hardly surprising as we bought 5 dvds with two films each for £4.99 ! Can't wait to see the other nine ! Sorry -make that eight -had forgotten "Gun Crazy" with Drew Barrymore. Oh no ! another trailer park movie.


16 Aug 05 - 07:19 PM (#1543513)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

Stole a march and borrowed "Gods And Generals" which I feel merits its acronym, or as Bart Simpson would say: "It's craptacular!"

If you haven't seen the Ken Burns series from 1990 go buy, rent or borrow it. In every way it exceeds GAG, which will leave you knowing less about the Civil War than before viewing, and is excruciating besides.


16 Aug 05 - 08:35 PM (#1543582)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow

Nobody could have spoken routinely in such long, perfectly formed sentences ! Could they ?

I haven't seen the film, but I think I know what you mean.

The answer is, it seems pretty likely that they could and did. There are people today in many parts of the world who still manage to do so.
In many ways it's today's rather eroded ways of using spoken (and written) language that are the oddity.


16 Aug 05 - 09:21 PM (#1543608)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,The Ghost of Stonewall

We could and did speak in a way that would no doubt leave people of your modern age confounded and stupefied, given the fact that you have reputedly lost the ability to concentrate on an idea of any depth for more than a second or two. I understand that this modern deterioration in mental focus is mostly due to those noisy flickering boxes that you all sit around in front of in the evening. In my day we sat in front of fires, whether at home or in the field, some smoked, and we talked about the events of the day, and some read the Bible. I was much given to reading sacred scripture in the quiet hours. My wife and I would spend such quiet evenings reading the classics, the Holy Bible, and composing letters to loved ones in distant places. We would wait for weeks to receive a reply, and read every word with rapt attention when it arrived. This builds a good attention span in a human being.

When I hear about what has happened since in the country of my birth, I wonder what in God's name I was fighting for.


16 Aug 05 - 09:35 PM (#1543616)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

You were fighting to preserve the precious right to own human beings and to begin the disintegration of the United States.

Kudos


16 Aug 05 - 09:37 PM (#1543617)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme

With neither of us driving now, and both of us rather disabled, I use NETFLIX exclusively. I just pick and choose--that's the name of the game.

Being in the valley of the Illinois River, we can get no TV through the air!! And the cable is so lame. Some day they might let us watch just those channels we actually like to watch. So, I much prefer to watch what I want -- from Netflix. It's a great boon to us with limited mobility. Get 'em in the mail. Mail 'em back. Get more!! What's not to like?

All that said, the only good movies I've seen in theaters recently were the two Shrecks and Finding Nemo. THERE! That was much easier than naming all the truly mediocre ones I've seen. I'll sit grudgingly through anything I percieve as 2 or 3 stars. But the really good 4 and 5 star films are unbelivably rare.

I am looking forward to the first 9 "24" (the title) tv shows. (Those ought to get here tomorrow.) I've heard that they are worth watching.

Art Thieme


16 Aug 05 - 09:53 PM (#1543630)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

Pfui! Stonewall was fighting for his own land and his familiar way of life, quite apart from slavery...just the way you probably would have if you'd been there, robomatic. Most southerners were not fighting primarily for slavery, they were fighting primarily for self-rule and economic and political autonomy. They were fighting against an invasion. That was certainly the case with Robert E. Lee. Slavery would in any case have ended in the South within probably 20 years or less because it was rapidly becoming economically unviable, so why kill hundreds of thousands of people over it? It was a handy emotional propaganda issue for the North, and had Jefferson Davis been a smarter man, HE would have freed the slaves in 1861 and let them serve in the Confederate Army too if they wanted to (and many would have). Are you aware that tens of thousands of northerners rioted in New York City and other places against the draft during the later part of that war and lynched every black person they could get hold of on the street, because they didn't want to "die to free the blacks"? There was a whole lot of prejudice against blacks north of the Mason Dixon Line too in those days, and there still is now. Matter of fact, it's palpable.


16 Aug 05 - 10:21 PM (#1543641)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

LH this is a movie thread, but okay:

We've already gone around a coupla times on your unique definition of what constitutes war. It's not the one in the dictionary.

It ain't an invasion to move troops around in your own country. It's a rebellion when lawful troops of your country are fired upon by extra-legal forces, such as at Fort Sumter.

As for the riots in NYC, they were not just any riots, they were a well organized mini rebellion that took federal troops to put down over a period of days if not weeks. The organizers were no mere northerners, they were primarilly immigrants afraid for their jobs against the prospect of cheap black labor, according to historian David McCullough.

Your overall argument against 'Northern aggression' would do very well against the D-Day invasion as well.

As for slavery, I hope you agree with me that there is slavery going on right now. So who can tell?


16 Aug 05 - 11:53 PM (#1543669)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

Well, I figure that the whole North American population is enslaved...in a certain sense...but that's another whole discussion, isn't it? ;-) (I mean they are mentally and psychologically enslaved to an empty, materialistic lifestyle, devoid of wisdom...)

It's always a dicey question as to whether a part of any country can voluntarily leave. The part that does want to leave would, I think, have a right to. (Just as in a divorce...) But, the rest of the country never sees it that way, do they? I'll tell you why: money is at stake. lots of it. And land. And jurisdiction. Oh, people will tell you all kinds of wonderful reasons to get you whipped up about patriotism and go and kill your next door neighbours, but it's really turf that is being fought over. And that turf belongs to the rich, the robber barons, the politicians, the plantation owners, the bigwigs. That's what the rioters in New York were rioting against. The sons of the rich could buy their way out of the draft. The poor could not.

I figure if the South wanted to leave in 1861, then they had a right to. Fort Sumter was sitting on coastal land that was part of a southern state which had seceded. What the hell right did the Union have to stay in such a fort after the separation of the South? They should have left. I can understand why the South eventually attacked the place. IT was illegal in THEIR terms! On the other hand, if the South had been smarter, they would NOT have attacked it. They would have swallowed their anger and let the union troops sit in there forever on land that was not in the Union any longer.

The southerners let themselves be carried away by their own arrogance, patriotism, and martial spirit, and they played directly into the hands of the Union when they attacked that fort. It was the Union that wanted a big war, not the South. The Union had a purpose to the war: reunification of the original USA. The South's only purpose was to be left alone to govern themselves as they chose.

Yup. I call that an invasion. And so would you have called it, had you lived in the South at the time.

I see no more justification for the Union continuing to occupy forts on southern land than if the Confederates had been occupying a fort on Long Island or something. It's ridiculous. It's like that ridiculous Guantanamo base down in Cuba. It amazes me the nerve of the Red, White, and Blue when it comes to this sort of thing. Anyone's land automatically becomes their land, merely by virtue of their blasted flag flying over it.

The weakest link in the whole position of the South was the slavery issue...a thoroughly indefensible stand in a moral sense. Slavery had already been banned almost everywhere else in the western world by that time. I think, though, that it was more a propaganda issue, and that what underlay it was a struggle for economic and political dominance...one that the South was steadily losing, due to having a considerably smaller industry and population than the North.

The slavery issue served the same purpose as the "race card" in the O.J. Simpson trial. It was an emotional red herring, perfect for glossing over more prosaic issues and engaging the passions of the man in the street.

Lee, Jackson, and Longstreet were not fighting for slavery. They were fighting for the right to manage their own house on their own terms. They preferred dying on their feet to living on their knees...so to speak.

The D-Day invasion was a response to a previous invasion of a sovereign country. A rescue mission of an ally. It was in no way comparable to the War Between the States. There is no basis for such a comparison.

My definition of war is: One group of people organizes to deliberately attack, kill, and rob another group of people, under the auspices of a government, a religious hierarchy or some other form of temporal leadership. Then the fighting starts. After that, war takes its own predictable course of unmitigated disaster, willy-nilly, killing people en masse, until one or the other side can't fight effectively any longer. Then it ends with a totally unjust punishment being administered to the people who lost, and everyone takes a breather for awhile, and the losers quite likely keep it in mind to prepare quietly for their eventual revenge. If they're smart, they get revenge the way the Japanese did after WWII...not with guns, not with bombs, but by being better businessmen.


17 Aug 05 - 12:27 AM (#1543680)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

LH:
As i've said before, i'd love to buy you a beer (or three) and solve the problems of the world (or not).


17 Aug 05 - 12:52 AM (#1543684)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

You're on. ;-) Let me know when you're in southern Ontario.


17 Aug 05 - 01:19 AM (#1543690)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: robomatic

And let me know when you make it to Anchorage.


17 Aug 05 - 02:07 AM (#1543697)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: sixtieschick

De-Lovely.

Deadly. Debacle. De-ghastly.


17 Aug 05 - 07:01 AM (#1543773)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Tam the man

Little Hawk was has this got to do with crap films


17 Aug 05 - 08:12 AM (#1543818)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Tam the man

forget what I said


17 Aug 05 - 11:48 AM (#1544008)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Big Al Whittle

bout 20 years ago Deborah Warner did this stunning version of Titus at Stratford at the Swan - Brian Cox in the lead. Richard MacCabe (ex Tenpole Tudor) as one of the rapists who end up in the pie.

theres bound to be a video version of it somewhere. watch out for it - it could change your view of this play.


17 Aug 05 - 11:56 AM (#1544014)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I have not seen Gigli. Has anyone seen it?


17 Aug 05 - 04:22 PM (#1544287)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow

It ain't an invasion to move troops around in your own country. It's a rebellion when lawful troops of your country are fired upon by extra-legal forces

Of course you could say virtually the same about what happened in the American Colonies from 1776 on....


17 Aug 05 - 05:35 PM (#1544317)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo

Agonize with the grainy, grueling, utterly distasteful "Breaking the Waves" (1996). Then reel in disbelief at the jaw-dropping ending. Called the best film of the '90s by some reviewers.

Emily Watson's superb performance only adds to the wretchedness of the entire experience.

Oh, I love Lars von Trier's upbeat and uplifting movies. Always something at the end to leave you with a smile on your face ("Dancer In The Dark" is also good, maybe even better that BTW, for this...). But for the ultimate in happy endings, you really need to see Nicole Kidman in von Trier's latest: "Dogville"!

Happy viewing.... :-)

Cheers,


17 Aug 05 - 05:40 PM (#1544320)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: hilda fish

Too many to count but the crappiest for me are the kids movies. Did anyone ever see 'Never Ending Story'? I couldn't stand it for soppy sentimental crappy crappy crappy and yet most adults seemed to think it was 'gorgeous'. Thank goodness, most kids I know thought it was a load of crap. 'The town that feared sunset' was probably the most crappiest horrible movie I've ever seen. Saw it at a country cinema with about three people in the audience all of them nuts who were obviously using the film as an instruction to murder young girls horribly! Oh well, one persons crappy movie is the next person's sublime movie moment - pity isn't it?


17 Aug 05 - 06:01 PM (#1544336)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Uncle_DaveO

Shakespeare is only partly responsible for that terrible play, Titus Andronicus. He did what they now call "a remake" of an earlier play (by whom I don't remember) called Hieronimo is Mad Again.

Of course he's responsible for having perpetuated a lousy plot, and not having improved it to the level of even a mediocre play. I guess the pressures to get something on the stage were too great for him.

Dave Oesterreich


17 Aug 05 - 06:03 PM (#1544337)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Uncle_DaveO

Sunday night my wife and I were so unfortunate as to watch a DVD of a bomb called Suburban Madness.

I commented to my Beautiful Wife that it was too bad they didn't have the money to hire some actors.

Dave Oesterreich


17 Aug 05 - 06:36 PM (#1544367)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: McGrath of Harlow

That sopuinds a bit masochistic on your part, Uncle Dave. Surely the whole point of a DVD is that you don't have to watch any more once you've decided it is not worth watching.


17 Aug 05 - 07:37 PM (#1544398)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Uncle_DaveO

I think my wife and I weren't communicating too well as we watched it.

I was thinking it stunk, but if she wanted to watch it, I'd keep her company. At the same time, guess what SHE was thinking!

Only afterwards did I comment on the evident lack of funds.

Dave Oesterreich


17 Aug 05 - 08:06 PM (#1544429)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

This one, in any of its incarnations.


17 Aug 05 - 08:37 PM (#1544456)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Jim Dixon

Hey, I loved "Napoleon Dynamite" and I'm more than twice 25. I'm a sucker for realistic films about the lives of adolescents, or even preadolescents. Some of my favorites: "This Boy's Life," "Ghost World," "Manny & Lo," "The Boy Who Could Fly" (but I hated the ending), "Sixteen Candles."

I seldom see a film that is so bad it annoys me. I'm pretty careful what I watch. I try to check out reviews, or at least ratings, by the critics I respect. Roger Ebert is my favorite. Any film he gives 3 or 4 stars to is definitely worthwhile in my book.

Usually, the worst thing I can say about a movie is that it put me to sleep. Another way I know a movie was bad (relatively speaking) is if a couple of months after seeing it, I can't remember what it was about, or can't remember for sure whether I saw it. This happens to me a lot lately, and I means I'd have a hard time coming up with a list of bad movies.

Anybody seen "Gummo"? One that most people will find excruciatingly repulsive, but I found strangely attractive. I find it hard to explain why. But I know I'll never forget some of the scenes.

The most brilliant movies I've seen lately: "Memento," "Spanglish," "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind."


18 Aug 05 - 09:32 AM (#1544804)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I wish I could find a movie that would put me to sleep. Perhaps I should try watching the televised debates in Canada's House of Commons (Parliament)...


18 Aug 05 - 09:36 AM (#1544806)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Paco Rabanne

100.


18 Aug 05 - 10:46 AM (#1544864)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Uncle_DaveO

"100"??? I haven't seen that one.

Dave Oesterreich


18 Aug 05 - 10:54 AM (#1544873)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Le Scaramouche

Shakespeare was more a craftsman than artiste. So yes, plenty was borrowed, or reworked, but people were less possesive in the theatre then. Molliere did so all the time and people took his work in turn. Neither did they treat plays as if written in stone.


18 Aug 05 - 06:53 PM (#1545220)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Bill D

in the same class of "Independance Day" was a madr-for-TV piec of crap called "10,5" read critique...huge earthquake eats California.

Besides the bad science, lousy casting, absurd plot twists and silly dialogue, the editors were either playing games or just DUMB...

an indication of the competence of the editors is that when the "news" was being aired on the TV within a TV, there was the usual banner at the bottom, which said in big red letters, "Marshal Law!"

I expected to see Matt Dillon doing crowd control.
My other thought was that they spelled it like that BECAUSE they assumed the most Amurricans would not get it, and think it said 'marital law'...which might have been a more interesting movie concept.


18 Aug 05 - 09:20 PM (#1545335)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

Sounds like a real doozy, Bill. I'm glad I missed it.


18 Aug 05 - 09:23 PM (#1545339)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Guy Wolff

I love lots of movies but had a very hard time getting through 20 minutes of SIN CITY . Lots of interesting actors but so violent and angry and oddly sexy that it was nothing but depressing to me .


18 Aug 05 - 09:25 PM (#1545342)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

The most distasteful movie I ever suffered through was "Pretty Woman". It made me feel sick inside.


18 Aug 05 - 09:30 PM (#1545347)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Guy Wolff

Sorry I hit the wrong key again. Certain moveis just hit me with how over stimulated our sences have become as a culture. I dont know if socialy upsetting fits with "crap" .
         I did find the Planit of the Apes moveis hard to take though they are loved by ons of people . One B movei I loved was TAPEHEADS . " Any ordinary man would have given it up by now "! AMEHN !

All the best , Guy


18 Aug 05 - 09:49 PM (#1545368)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Lighter

I hate even to bring it up, but "Eraserhead" is in a crap category all its own. AGGGGHHH ! NEVER SEE !!!!!! PLEASE ! ! ! ! !


18 Aug 05 - 09:51 PM (#1545372)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I saw the preview to "Eraserhead". That was enough.


19 Aug 05 - 03:38 PM (#1545897)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,saulgoldie

Ah, Eraserhead! Those were the days!


19 Aug 05 - 04:52 PM (#1545945)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: ard mhacha

Having just seen Gods and Generals I couldn`t believe the amount of preaching that persisted throughout the film, this along with that sugary background music was enough to put anyone off, no wonder the critics panned it.
I wouldn`t have been surprised to see Billy Graham listed among the credits, no, it wan`t for me.


19 Aug 05 - 05:02 PM (#1545956)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Jack the Sailor

Masked and Anonymous - Talk about horrible writing inflicted on a great cast.

Sweet and Low Down - Woody Allen should never be allowed to make another film.


19 Aug 05 - 05:05 PM (#1545959)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

Any opinions on Eyes Wide Shut? I frankly wouldn't know what to say about it.


19 Aug 05 - 05:35 PM (#1545980)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

I bailed on it after about 20 minutes, so maybe it turned out to be a good movie. But I'll never know. No desire to go back to it.


19 Aug 05 - 06:29 PM (#1546024)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,aighhmm

It was strange. Very strange. So was Vanilla Sky.


19 Aug 05 - 06:34 PM (#1546026)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

"Vanilla Sky" was like a Pop Rocks blowjob... strangely unenjoyable.


20 Aug 05 - 08:21 AM (#1546223)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Lighter at work

Well, as I said on a music thread a while back, "Gods & Generals" is exactly the kind of movie they'd have made in the 19th Century. Mainstream writings of the period are strongly sentimental, preachy, and idealistic, and they frequently urge the pursuit of honor and nobility on the battlefield.

There's a famous post-war quote from Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., a Union officer who was nearly killed in action in 1861, giving the highest praise to the "faith" of the soldier who gives his life following orders whose purpose he doesn't know in a cause he doesn't fully understand. (Like the Light Brigade.) It was not yet the modern world.

My guess is that the more you know about the Civil War, the more you'll appreciate the movie.


20 Aug 05 - 10:04 AM (#1546272)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: RangerSteve

I saw "EraserHead" back in the late '70's. A friend who was a film student talked a bunch of us into going to see it at a midnight showing in Greenwich Village. He spent the rest of the night apologizing to us. 25 years later I still have some of the more disturbing images in my mind as clearly as if I'd seen it yesterday.

If I had revenge fantasies (which I don't), I would pull David Lynch over for a minor traffic violation, and he would tell me that he left his license and registration at home, and I would make his life a living hell for a few minutes.

But, as the Mikado (or W.S. Gilbert) said: "virtue triumphs only in theatrical performances".


20 Aug 05 - 10:40 AM (#1546301)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

Lighter at work, that is it in a nutshell. "Gods and Generals" is a fine film precisely because it recreates the mood and style of the Civil War period. People did not think or talk the way we do now. They were more courtly, more idealistic, more religious, and more fatalistic. As you say, the more one knows about the Civil War, the more one is likely to appreciate the film...in my opinion.


20 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM (#1546325)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Guy Wolff

This may be tread drift to get into movies we found down right siturbing but here we are .         

             I think "Last House on the left" was the kind of film it took some time to get rid of or get out of my mind .I felt dirty for even sitting through the thing ! I saw it in Aspen and told everyone I knew to stay away. If I hadent been 21 and with friends who found the whole thing funny I would have left the theater.Today I would have known enough to wait outside for my friends .
          Another one that was just disturbing was " The cook the thief the something and the something " ( I cant even remember the title but ) one of the arty high moments was someone taking a dump on someone else .... YUCK . I did leave th theater . Sorry for even mentioning it but I do so as a warning .
          All the best , Guy


20 Aug 05 - 03:35 PM (#1546372)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: ard mhacha

Can`t agree with either LH or Lighter, this was typical US smaltz, a British or European film depicting wars of the same era would not have indulged in such guff, the Irish Sergeant was so much stage Irish as to be laughable.
I wouldn`t admit to being a slouch on the Us Civil War as I have quite a large library of books on the war, also numerous documentaries including Ken Burns brilliant doucumentary on the war, far and away the best series ever done on it.
The only saving grace the film had was the realistic battle scenes, the dialogue was sick-bag naterial.


21 Aug 05 - 05:11 AM (#1546470)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: alanabit

Going back to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, I really dislike this film the more I think about it. It was a serious error of judgement to have actors with English accents talking about "candy". That alone should blow its credibility out of the water on both sides of the Atlantic.
What I really dislike most though, is that I think Johnny Depp's portrayal of Michael Jackson was a bad idea. To do Keith Richard as "Captain" Jack Sparrow was inspired, because there is a dynamic between his louche mannerisms and the sharp brain, which lies behind them. Michael Jackson is a sad misfit in the world of both children and adults. There is nothing really funny about him any more.
You could have written the script in your lunch break. It was a real stinker.


21 Aug 05 - 11:12 PM (#1546856)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST

"One man's trash is another man's treasure..." Spanglish was a piece of crap. Adam Sandler was out of his element. And after all his character went through, he didn't even get laid. What a waste of good celluloid.


22 Aug 05 - 12:01 AM (#1546885)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

Well, I do admit that "Gods and Generals" has a script that waxes a bit turgid and overblown at times... ;-)

Still, I enjoyed it, because I love the history so much.

Now I'd like to see a really superb film (or series) on the glory days of the Army of Northern Virginia, with topnotch portrayals of Robert E. Lee., Stonewall Jackson, Jeb Stuart, and Jame Longstreet...plus Jubal Early, Mahone, and all the rest of them. Stirring stuff, to be sure. No army ever had more style, finer fighting spirit, or a more poignant and tragic ending.


22 Aug 05 - 12:05 AM (#1546887)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Peace

Haven't seen ANY movies lately--crappy or otherwise.


22 Aug 05 - 12:08 AM (#1546891)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: number 6

Rober E. Lee was an astounding, admirable and humane person. Have you ever read his bio by James I. Roberston jr LH? ... it's a good read.

Unfortunately movies based on historical effents never seem to cut it .. read the books, they certainly are more enjouable.

But all said LH I'm gonna take your advice and watch Son of the Morningstar .. if I can find a copy.

sIx


22 Aug 05 - 01:35 PM (#1547205)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I haven't read that one, but I'll see if I can find a copy. Thanks.


22 Aug 05 - 10:02 PM (#1547400)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

5 Shitty Movies That Everyone Loves.


23 Aug 05 - 12:45 AM (#1547457)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Little Hawk

I think the mean-spirited prick responsible for that nasty little site should be stripped naked and tossed into a tank full of angry stoats...after having to watch all five of those movies that he hates so much back-to-back for days and days and days.

What an asshole.

That said, I have to agree with his general assessment of Top Gun. Other than that, he's still an asshole.

I regret feeling that I should talk about another human being in that manner, but this guy...he really deserves to get back what he dishes out...which is utterly no respect or consideration whatsoever.


23 Aug 05 - 12:55 AM (#1547460)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo

"Eraserhead" is a movie you have to see once. "Once is the number that thou shalt see it. Not two. Not nonce....." Ummm, sorry, different movie; got carried away (say, no one mentioned "MPATHG" in the greatest war movie thread; fancy that...). Seriously, once. You should see it to say you've seen it. Provides a reference point, so to speak. A friend of mine who's a professional therapist says that it is the closest thing she's ever seen to the cinematic embodiment of a nightmare.

"But ... we're not even sure it is a baby...."

Enjoy!

Cheers,


23 Aug 05 - 08:21 AM (#1547598)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: GUEST,Lighter at work

Allow me to be more precise. "Eraserhead" is in a crap category all its own because despite being imaginative, different, and well made on a budget smaller than what you'd pay to rent it, should you be so insane, once you see it YOU MAY NEVER STOP VOMITING !!! RATED VVV ! WARNING: POSSIBILITY OF PTSD ! I saw it twenty-odd years ago, and I still can't shake the memory !

Written and directed by David Lynch.


23 Aug 05 - 01:38 PM (#1547800)
Subject: RE: BS: Seen any crappy movies lately?
From: Cluin

Well, he could have laid off Morgan Freeman's nose a bit, but the rest of it was kinda funny.