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07 Jan 99 - 04:17 PM (#52593) Subject: Who was Billy Gashade From: Dr John In several recordings of "The Ballad of Jesse James" is gives "This song was made by Billy Gashade as soon as the news did arrive; He said there was no man with the law in his hand who could take J J when alive." Does amyone know who Billy with the conveniently rhyming surname was? |
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07 Jan 99 - 11:03 PM (#52697) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: rich r Billy Gashade was an otherwise unknown minstrel (folksinger?) who claimed authorship of the "jesse James' ballad. rich r |
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08 Jan 99 - 11:46 AM (#52779) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: Dan Keding In several texts you'll also find the name Billy LaShade which, as is often the case in traditional folk music, just adds a little spice and confusion to the mix. The name could be the author's, also could have been a minstrel who made it popular in his region. Check out H.M.Belden's "Ballads & Songs" collected by the Missouri Folklore Society. This is a great source for Missouri songs & ballads, also discusses authorship, not in depth but in passing of Jesse James. They don't much credence to old Billy Gashade. |
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06 Aug 18 - 07:25 AM (#3941965) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: GUEST,Lighter Ancestry.com turns up no American families with the surname "LaShade." They find a single family of "Gashades" in the entire United States, dwelling in Kentucky (and a "Goshade" in Oregon). No Williams or Billies though. Maybe if you pay them $45 a month, they'll find more. |
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06 Aug 18 - 07:30 AM (#3941969) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: GUEST,Lighter And this website http://named.publicprofiler.org/ can't find any "Gashades," "Goshades," or "La Shades" in the U.K. |
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13 Jan 19 - 09:47 PM (#3971370) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: GUEST,catyronwode I do find the name William Gaschet in genealogies online -- could that be it? |
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14 Jan 19 - 12:08 AM (#3971374) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: Joe Offer I think that's the one, catyronwode. -Joe- |
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14 Jan 19 - 06:58 AM (#3971415) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: Lighter I dunno about that. The only "William Gaschet" I see at Ancestry,com was from Wayne, Mich., and fought in WW1. Not likely for somebody who composed a ballad in Missouri around 1883. |
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15 Jan 19 - 02:32 PM (#3971590) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: GUEST,Bob Coltman I think Dr. John above is right with his "conveniently rhyming surname" remark. It has always seemed to me, though with no evidence either way, that the name is too convenient and too unlikely. Along the lines of "This song it was written By Smedley K. Smitten" or "This song was composed By Tuby T. Rose, Several weeks after the news did arrive To give time for reflection Before the big election, And then from hist'ry take his dive." etc. Sorry for the irreverence, but I just never could take Mr. Gashade seriously. On the other hand Dylan brilliantly made a character out of Judas Priest. Perhaps the Great American Novel about Billy Gashade is yet to be written. Bob |
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15 Jan 19 - 02:51 PM (#3971595) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: meself Well, that seems very chicken-and-egg: it's just as likely that Billy Gashade came first, and the rhyme 'made' came second .... |
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15 Jan 19 - 03:16 PM (#3971597) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: Bat Goddess Seems to me it could be a misheard O'Shea as well. Linn |
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30 Jun 19 - 05:39 PM (#3998598) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: GUEST,Ivan Limon There is a fine novel by Loren Estleman which puts flesh on the bones of Billy Gashade and his relationship with the James brothers. Complete fiction but entertaining nonetheless. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Billy-Gashade-American-Loren-Estleman-ebook/dp/B003P9XJTC/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=billy+gashade&qid=1561930601&s=books&sr=1-1-catcorr |
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14 Feb 22 - 07:18 PM (#4136642) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: GUEST Gschade and Gscheid, pronounced shade are fairly common. If a song was transmitted orally ,the pronunciation would come out as Gashade. |
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15 Feb 22 - 12:24 PM (#4136744) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: Lighter As long as we're floundering, how about a "William K. Shade"? If there was one. |
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15 Feb 22 - 03:00 PM (#4136780) Subject: RE: Who was Billy Gashade From: Lighter Or "William K. Shea." Two other legit surnames are "Gashee" and "Gushee." Unfortunately, they were most common in New England. |