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05 Nov 05 - 12:59 PM (#1598081) Subject: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff oeWith all... and with all that has been going on in US politics lately we are disheartened to learn that America died today of ethical failure...A disease of the heart, spirit and integrety of the correct way to be and live. We have seen it all happen before us over many years...America is dead officially dead today. Revolution Now! I want America Back! I want America back the way it used to be! Peter Woodruff 24 South River Road Arrowsic, Maine 04530 |
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05 Nov 05 - 01:03 PM (#1598083) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Amos Jeeze, Peter, it ain't dead by a long margin; just needs a little more air, water and sunlight, and a good deal less fertilizer, and it'll be right. A |
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05 Nov 05 - 01:15 PM (#1598091) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Jeri I'd just like it if people didn't think their own soapbox was important enough to stick under the same heading as: Obit: Will Keys - 4 Nov 2005 Obit: Dave Bryant Obit: Sean Blackburn (Sept 05) Obit: Rosa Lee Parks 10/2005 Obit: Jacqueline (Jacqui) Walker (11 May 2003) Obit: Bonnie Jones (Oct 2005) Obit: Mike Ryan. The Fiddler.. Obit: Charles Causley - Poet & Author Talk about ethical failure! People completely forget about compassion if it might interfere with their freedom of expression. |
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05 Nov 05 - 01:18 PM (#1598092) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff Amos, As an organic farmer, in my spare time, I use only organic shit to fertilize my gardens. I do not use my own shits to fertilize my own gardens! Woodyat12 |
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05 Nov 05 - 01:30 PM (#1598098) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST then dont spread it on us either |
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05 Nov 05 - 02:17 PM (#1598138) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Teribus What??? Today??? At what time??? what was the cause??? Utter rubbish, Guest Peter Woodruff, you got nothing better to do with your time? |
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05 Nov 05 - 02:32 PM (#1598150) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Don Firth Ethically, the United States government has been moribund for some time now. Under the aegis of the Bush administration, the death-rattle is almost deafening. As the "moral leader of the world," methinks that title has long since moved elsewhere. To be a "moral leader" requires that one have a moral or two. And to lead, one need remember that people are like a strand of spaghetti. It's far more effective to lead it than it is to push it. Don Firth |
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05 Nov 05 - 02:39 PM (#1598159) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace Only half the people have leadership. The other half have an enemy in the White House. |
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05 Nov 05 - 03:34 PM (#1598202) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: mg there are still signs of life in Long Beach Wa ....I went to the Dennis Co., our only real store, watched the big screen t.v., looked for solar lanterns and a new clothes dryer and sat in one of those massage chairs....the ladies from the VFW were selling tickets to raffle a quilt, a little girl was sneaking free coffee...the rain is raining, ...basically we are still OK here. mg |
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05 Nov 05 - 03:40 PM (#1598205) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: freda underhill good thread, peter. |
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05 Nov 05 - 06:23 PM (#1598327) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: McGrath of Harlow I want America back the way it used to be! When? (What I mean is, there've been an awful lot of different way it's been over the last couple of hundred years, some much more admirable than others. Which is, of course, something it has in common with other countries.) |
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05 Nov 05 - 06:30 PM (#1598333) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Richard Bridge If the American Gov't and the Republic are dead, can we claim the back taxes please? |
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05 Nov 05 - 07:16 PM (#1598366) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: McGrath of Harlow Maybe it calls for a nice cup of tea all round. |
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05 Nov 05 - 07:23 PM (#1598372) Subject: It seems to be coming back to life . . . . From: GUEST I think the dead are going to invade Syria within a month or so. |
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05 Nov 05 - 07:52 PM (#1598392) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: leftydee Peter, Bankrupt on many levels, yes; but my America is a shining idea that can't be killed. I don't want it back the way it used to be either, I want it the way it could/should be. Lefty |
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05 Nov 05 - 07:56 PM (#1598394) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Jeri GUEST, THAT was funny. Richard Bridge, all the taxpayers would be deceased too. Why is it 'DEceased' and not just 'ceased'. 'De' usually means the opposite (like when you deflower somebody you make them not flowered anymore), which would make the dead all un. I'm an American and I'm pretty sure I have not fallen off my perch. I just get quiet sometimes. Also, ask a sample population from a other countries. They'll probably tell you that the dead aren't as irritating as we Americans usually are. |
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05 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM (#1598420) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Bill D pardon my cynicism at the silly, presumptuous nature of the topic. or don't pardon it...I will remain cynical. |
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05 Nov 05 - 08:34 PM (#1598421) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace I can't really imaging you being cynical, Bill. Don't fit the picture. |
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05 Nov 05 - 09:13 PM (#1598436) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Bill D ♫"Time has made a change in me"♫ how about grumpy? Can you picture me grumpy? |
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05 Nov 05 - 09:14 PM (#1598438) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace Yep. Grumpy fits the picture. But also always a gentleman and always brilliant. |
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05 Nov 05 - 11:04 PM (#1598469) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Ingrid Frances Stark "Only half the people have leadership. The other half have an enemy in the White House." Only half the people think they have leadership. The other half know better. Ingrid |
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05 Nov 05 - 11:57 PM (#1598486) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Dead Horse Can I claim the body, please? |
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06 Nov 05 - 12:13 AM (#1598488) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Arkie It was mentioned above that half of America has leadership and half has an enemy in the White House. I would amend that. About 20 per cent has leadership and 80 per cent has an enemy in the White House. Some just do not know it yet. |
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06 Nov 05 - 09:33 AM (#1598617) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Donuel Dead is dead. Expect; the continuing micromanagement of sexual behavior, dumbed down education of the masses, centralized control of media, further lost causes of war adventures in the name of God and Country for weapon manufacturers and their cousins, the ownership of America by the tenth of 1%, the "absorbtion" theft of pensions and social security, the continuation of illegal drug cartels and the massive Congressional lobby of the Pharmaceutical Corporations, unaffordable health care, unaffordable fuel, unaffordable homes, and the new quarantined society. Do not expect the pendulum of power to ever swing back toward the needs of the people. Yes the power elite will seemingly disappear and weather the coming storm in their bunkers but the people will not regain half of what has been lost in the last 30 years. The fight for equality will be overtaken by a fight for survival. IN the long run people will willingly trade any remaining freedom for the priviledge of regaining electric power and food from the state. This sounds harsh but remember the thread I started 5 years ago "Why America will lose the War" and see how everything has transpired as predicted. |
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06 Nov 05 - 09:38 AM (#1598620) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST Have a nice day! |
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06 Nov 05 - 09:40 AM (#1598621) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Richard Bridge Donuel, might that not lead to revolution (hooray!)? |
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06 Nov 05 - 10:13 AM (#1598631) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Tannywheeler Nah, guys. I met some of the living, breathing, VIBRANT examples of America alive a few weekends ago at a music festival outside of Darlington, MD. All of 'em plugging away in their own peculiar styles to process oxygen in their particular part of the BODY... (Not all of them had home addresses in the U. S.) I refuse to be discouraged ever again. Wake up and smell the coffee, Peter Woodruff. Tw |
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06 Nov 05 - 10:34 AM (#1598639) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace "Only half the people think they have leadership. The other half know better." Next time YOU go first! |
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06 Nov 05 - 10:46 AM (#1598645) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Dead Horse They got a president with half a brain. Blair has the other half! |
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06 Nov 05 - 10:51 AM (#1598647) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace A half a brain for either of them would be a step up, IMO. |
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06 Nov 05 - 11:35 AM (#1598664) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Art Thieme As my old cowboy uncle used to say, "Heifer joke is better than none!" Art |
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06 Nov 05 - 11:44 AM (#1598669) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Martin Gibson The creater of this thread is ridiculous. To paraphrase Mark Twain, " The report of America's death has been greatly exaggerated." This Sunday morning, I awoke to an America that is very much alive, vibrant, and where people are free to go to church if they want or not. The creator of this thread is apparently a very unhappy and lonely person who really should try to find something more fulfilling in his life rather than dream up this kind of crap on a folk music web forum. In other words, I can't help but laugh my ass off at some of the far left wing mentality that hangs out here, like the sorry ass who created this thread. |
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06 Nov 05 - 01:25 PM (#1598721) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Bill D starting this thread has nothing to do with " far left wing mentality"...it is just one individual with a narrow set of ideas, throwing out generalizations. |
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06 Nov 05 - 02:34 PM (#1598765) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Seiri Omaar Ad hominem, MG. Tsk, tsk. |
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06 Nov 05 - 02:40 PM (#1598774) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace Speaking of halfwits, we have quite a few elected to the House Of Commons. Don't think y'all (Yanks and Brits) have a corner on that. Ya don't. |
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06 Nov 05 - 02:57 PM (#1598789) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace As to the title of this thread: Peter, I have to disagree. America was one of the greatest ideas humans ever came up with. If you live there, speaking as a Canadian, I will tell you just how fortunate you are. You have vast wealth--incredibly vast. That it is not shared as equally as maybe it should be (IMO) is something for y'all to work on. BUT, at least you can do that there. Many places all yad get is a piece of lead in your skull delivered by some government sonuvabitch with a rifle. Do bad things happen there? Yes, they do. Do you have the freedom to do something about it? Yes, you do. Peter, go fix the problem. Find like-minded people and change the way your country is. Get back the idea of responsible government--make the bastards see that they are responsible to the electorate and every single individual that lives in a country most citizens of the world can only dream about living in. I know there are faults. Hell, YES there are faults. Many of them egregious, wrong, ugly. FIX them. |
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06 Nov 05 - 03:21 PM (#1598808) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: dianavan Easy to say, Peace. Lack of ethics in politics has been a problem for a very long time. I agree with Peter, I, too, want America back. It no longer belongs to the people. Isn't that why they have the right to bear arms? For many years I had hoped for a peaceful revolution but those in power only looked upon us as 'losers' and 'suckers' and 'chumps'. Times have changed and now the baby boomers are actually the power base of the nation. Its time to use that power instead of squandering it on drugs, video games, t.v. and gambling. Sad to say, if change is to occur, it will be the result of the actions of a small group of people who really do care. My hope is that when these people rise up, the majority of Americans will join them. |
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06 Nov 05 - 03:29 PM (#1598816) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: mg I think the majority of Americans aren't in love with us baby boomers. There is a lot of resentment and scorn from many, not all, on all sides of the generation gap. We have a lot to apologize for, a drug culture among others. mg |
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06 Nov 05 - 03:45 PM (#1598828) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Don Firth The Rev. Jim Wallis, author of God's Politics : Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It, said that in a meeting he was attending, everyone was sitting around bewailing how the country had gone wrong and how powerless they all felt. One person said, "We just don't have any strong leaders like Martin Luther King anymore. What we need is someone like him." At which point, a young black woman stood up and blew her stack at the whole group. She ended her heated comments by saying, "YOU are the leaders you are waiting for! Don't just sit there and whine! Get busy!" You can't just sit around and "let George do it." George is doing it. That's what's wrong. Don Firth |
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06 Nov 05 - 04:08 PM (#1598838) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace "Easy to say, Peace." Yes it is. BUT, like anything else, action has to start with thought. |
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06 Nov 05 - 07:26 PM (#1598930) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace Sorry, Dianavan. That sounded somewhat snotty and it wasn't meant to. Have a raging head cold and strep. I am basically just my normal bitchy self. |
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06 Nov 05 - 09:03 PM (#1598984) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST George is doing it, be it right, wrong or indifferent, More than can be said for the 90's. Perhaps many of the problems we see now are a result of "let it go, nobody will notice" which probably started near the end of Bush 1. Citizens of this great country all have the same choice; be a semi-slave, a serf or get busy and partake of the rewards awaiting you. Can't wait for many of you to find out just how big a problem the CIA and even part of the State Department have been. Career politicians who do not want the ole' apple cart upset. Wait to see how GWB has been fighting this scenario for the past several years. |
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06 Nov 05 - 09:27 PM (#1598995) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: bobad ". Have a raging head cold and strep." Have'nt been eating your garlic I see. |
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06 Nov 05 - 09:33 PM (#1598999) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Peace Ate the lion's share of it all with Gus. I was well for two months. Now look! |
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07 Nov 05 - 08:39 AM (#1599266) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Donuel Nothing lasts forever. I was surprised how strident my previous post sounded. There will be a backlash against corporate fascism but like oil prices it will be one step forward and two steps backward, benefits for the working poor will be racheted a little one direction but reversed in the short run. Yes the ignorant people will always fall for the scoundrel yelling for God and patriotism. However I personally believe that the recent elections have been grossly modified with special Diebold Republican software for the last 6 years and the US population is not as stupid as our fearless leader. The similarity of a dictator crowning himself the God of Rome with the Bush Cabal is striking. If the Cabal has learned anything from history they must realize that they will face a serious stabbing in the rotunda unless they eliminate Congress. This is where the shadow government will come in handy to a dictatorial regieme. If the takeover goes that far the truth of recent treasonous acts will never see the light of day. Like junk food being reminisent of real food the Bush administration is virtually reminiscent of actual liberty. Have another freedom cracker with mad cow cheese, its good for you. |
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07 Nov 05 - 12:07 PM (#1599375) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Bill D, it has everything to do with a far-left political outlook. Don't try to distance yourself from the ridiculous when it raises it's head as it often does. |
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07 Nov 05 - 01:35 PM (#1599433) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST,Val I thought this report of GW Bush's speach interesting: ------------------------------- Bush said citizens must choose "between two competing visions" for their future. One, he said, pursues representative government, integration into the world community and freedom's transformative power for individuals. "The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for the people," he said. "We must make tough decisions today to ensure a better tomorrow." --------------------------- What's ironic is he was telling this to the people in South America - specifically Venezuela. Pity that statement didn't get included in the last US presidential campaign... Article source |
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10 Nov 05 - 12:51 AM (#1601176) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: Bert HALF the people, You mean about a third of the people plus some slack made up by those voting machines. This is the first time we've had an unverifiable election. And how many of thoese voters who chose an oil baron are surprised at the price of gas. America is not dead, but democracy here sure is. Can you picture me grumpy? Bill D, I can't picture you as anything else. |
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10 Nov 05 - 01:22 AM (#1601188) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: dianavan And they were singin bye, bye Miss American pie... |
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10 Nov 05 - 04:35 AM (#1601246) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: The Fooles Troupe Took my chevy to the levee, but the pump it was dry... |
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10 Nov 05 - 04:53 PM (#1601697) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: GUEST Why are you taking australia with you |
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10 Nov 05 - 06:45 PM (#1601778) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today... From: The Fooles Troupe We're all asking Johhny Howard that... |