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25 Feb 97 - 01:12 PM (#2547) Subject: She Moves Through the Fair From: Lisa Hello All, "She Moves Through the Fair" has been one of my favorite celtic songs for several years, but I have no idea of its origins, or the story behind the song. Perhaps this information does not exist, but if anyone is aware of it, I would much appreciate your help. My favorite verse is the third one, which some singers leave out: People say no two ere were wed, but one has a sorrow that never was said, and she smiled as she passed me, with her goods and her gear, and that was the last that I saw of my dear. Heart-breaking, isn't it? (I always like sad songs best.] Thanks for your help, Lisa |
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25 Feb 97 - 06:00 PM (#2560) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Valerie I love sad songs too! According to the Ossian Publication "Folksongs & Ballads Popular in Ireland - Volume 1" (a jaunty little title, I know), and according to what I believe to be popular mythology, this beautiful tune / song goes back to Medieaeval times. I have heard that the tune came to Ireland from the Middle East, via Europe, and also that it is a Gypsy melody. I can't say if either (or both) theories are correct though. I've always preferred to think that the tune wandered around continents in search of a home. Van Morrison's version is stunning. Don't know if this counts as "information", but hope it's of interest. Valerie |
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25 Feb 97 - 09:02 PM (#2570) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Susan of DT In the last verse her ghost visits him, so she died before they could be wed. The verse you quaoted is in the DT. |
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26 Feb 97 - 05:29 PM (#2593) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: LaMarca The Irish poet, Padraic Colum, had all four verses in one of his collections. He was also a folklorist who produced many fine collections of mythology from different lands, so he was probably setting down a trad. poem rather than claiming he wrote it. The song is found in the Tinker (non-Romany Irish and Scottish gypsies) tradition; Maggie Barry does a haunting rendition... |
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27 Feb 97 - 04:17 AM (#2613) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Martin Ryan There is a lovely North of Ireland version called "Out of the Window" - which is on its way to the DT.I think its in Sam Henry's "Songs of the People" collection. Colum certainly seems to have tidied up a folk version in writing his poem.His set (which is the standard one sung), has perhaps become a bit hackneyed (despite Van the Man's efforts!).A fine traditional singer called Aine Ui CHeallaigh recently recorded the "Out ofthe WIndow" version Regards |
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27 Feb 97 - 04:32 AM (#2614) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Martin Ryan Mea culpa! The Sam Henry version is already in the DT as "Our Wedding Day" Regards |
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27 Feb 97 - 04:19 PM (#2626) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Susan of DT Can't trust those titles, can you. In general, if you don't find a song by title, try a phrase or unusual word. |
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28 Mar 97 - 02:05 PM (#3599) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Berna-Dean This Irish folk song is also known as "The Wedding Song", as the last words in many of the verses are "and this she did say, it will not be long love, til our wedding day". As above Martin Ryan already sent you in that direction. |
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02 Apr 97 - 07:50 PM (#3753) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Murphy@globalbiz.net There is a version of this that a friend I knew long ago had: Paddy Tunny, and he had his version collected in Northern Fermanagh. The first verse is the same as the later Lagan-Valley version that most people know, but the second verse is nice: She moved away from me as she moved through the fair With hand-clappen dealers whose voice wrent the air her cheeks were as roses and her feet ne'er touch the ground And all that gazed on her were silent around. There's a rumor that Paddy wrote this verse himself, but what if he did--it's a good song. |
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03 Apr 97 - 05:01 PM (#3789) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: MARTIN RYAN Paddy Tunney wrote at least that verse! |
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09 Apr 97 - 04:22 AM (#4037) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Kymbo Seems that Sinead O'connor does a nice little number on this one on an Megastar Celtic complimation album called 'Common Ground'. Should have the lyrics on it too. Does anyone know if she's made an exclusively folkie CD? |
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17 Apr 97 - 08:59 PM (#4076) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Muriel Doris Yet another version called Our Wedding Day in Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland, edited by Peter Kennedy. The words are a bit different than most -- she runs away with someone else -- "I'd lost my wee darling through courting too slow.". No suggestion as to the origin. |
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03 May 97 - 12:37 PM (#4830) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: cleod I have the lyrics to this...just e-mail me at cleod@netasia.net and i'll send it to anyone who needs them. |
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04 May 97 - 11:07 PM (#4845) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: dick greenhaus Hi cleod- Why not post them here, so everybody can share them? |
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05 May 97 - 10:20 PM (#4866) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Hi, It's interesting that this song should raise so much interest. Seamas Ennis traced as a version of the Bold Forester, but indeed, it goes back to a version found in South Uist--in the Gaelic, I'm afraid. I don't suppose anyone wants the words? Dave Murphy |
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06 May 97 - 02:15 PM (#4871) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: dick greenhaus Speaking for the Digital Tradition, we ALWAYS want the words. |
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12 May 97 - 12:57 PM (#5115) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Kim I know a version of She Moves Through The Fair that is on an old album by Alfred Deller, the countertenor. The album is called The Cruel Mother. I'm looking for a CD version of it as the LP my dad bought at a concert in Elsinor Castle in 1959 is a little beat up now. I know the lyrics are on the back of the cover, I'll post them if they are legible.Many of the songs on this are from the Childs collection. |
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19 May 97 - 10:41 AM (#5377) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR From: cleod In response to Mr.Greenhaus...thanks for the suggestion, but it's not that easy to do on my computer...anyway, I'll just post the short (more popular) version, as opposed to the long one, which has bags of lyrics...here goes... SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR My young love said to me, "My mother won't mind And my father won't slight you for you lack of kind." And she stepp'd away from me and this she did say, "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." She stepp'd away from me and went thro' the fair, And fondly I watch'd her move here and move there, And then she went homeward with one star awake, As the swan in the evening moves over the lake. Last night she came to me, she came softly in, So softly she came that her feet made no din. And she laid her hand on me and this she did say, "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." I got this from a book but Sinead O'Connor also sang this on "The Long Black Veil" with The Chieftains. Line Breaks |
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29 May 99 - 09:35 AM (#82618) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Philippa Dave Murphy (5.5.97) Yes, I'd like the S Uist version! Is it to be found in Margaret Fay Shaw's book? I'm familiar with the English language song as sung by Paddy Tunney, Áine uí Cheallaigh and Jane Cassidy (Sam Henry collection) and , of course, as arranged by Padraic Colum, but I didn't know of a gaelic coneection. |
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29 May 99 - 09:43 AM (#82621) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: HåvardR Hmm! This might be sligthly blasphemous, but has anyone heard the parody "She fell trough the flare (floor)"? Håvard |
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29 May 99 - 09:47 AM (#82623) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Philippa Håvard, there's a space for you here: |
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29 May 99 - 05:40 PM (#82686) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Erin Mary Black sings another version on the album "Collected". ' Does anyone have the lyrics?? |
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29 May 99 - 09:38 PM (#82757) Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR From: SingsIrish Songs In all the times I've heard this song sung, it seems everyone leaves out verse three (which Lisa mentioned) and it changes the feel of the song immensely! So I am going to post the lyrics again with verse three and chords as well... --SingsIrish Songs
SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR D--(C----Bm---C----D)---------C------------D---
She stepp'd away from me and she moved through the fair,
The people were saying no two were e'er wed,
I dreamt it last night that my young love came in,
andadded to space chords. |
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29 May 99 - 09:44 PM (#82758) Subject: Chords Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR From: SingsIrish Songs Guess that idea with the chords didn't work! Here's the proper placement...
(D)My (C)young (Bm)love (C)said (D)to me, "My (C)mother won't (D)mind |
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29 May 99 - 09:59 PM (#82762) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: SingsIrish Songs Thanks for fixing that Joe! Mary |
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29 May 99 - 10:43 PM (#82775) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Marlor Hi Lisa: I have to agree. It's one of the most hauntingly beautiful songs I've ever heard. Canada's CBC used to have a program hosted by a gentleman named Max fergusson. H'e play that song every onece in a while. I was blown away the first time I heard it. |
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30 May 99 - 12:14 AM (#82797) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Barry Finn Harvard, if you have the parody "She Fell Through The Floor" it would be far more scandelous if you didn't post it here, now. Barry |
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30 May 99 - 07:32 AM (#82847) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Brakn My favourite version was by Sandy Denny when she was with Fairport Convention. Mick Bracken |
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30 May 99 - 08:29 AM (#82855) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Helen Hi all, An Australian singer, Kavisha Mazzella does a lovely version of this too on her CC called Mermaids at the Well Helen |
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30 May 99 - 12:20 PM (#82872) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: HåvardR This is somewhat embarassing, I was sure I had the lyrics for the parody written down at home, but I haven't. (blushing, and hoping someone will rescue him) The chorus however , as far as I remember, goes: She stepp'd away from me and she fell through the flare, Through the linoleum and down the stairs And she stepp'd away from me and this she did say: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiii (bump) sorry, Håvard |
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01 Jun 99 - 09:42 AM (#83199) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Dan Can anybody tell me how I can get the tune to this. I love the words but have no idea how it goes. Thanks. |
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01 Jun 99 - 10:32 AM (#83211) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: alison Dan, Go to the she moved through the fair Lyrics in the database and scroll to the bottom... click where it says "Click here to play"... you'll hear the tune..... slainte alison |
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01 Jun 99 - 04:02 PM (#83283) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: pam Hello out there... I'm stepping out onto the thread for the first time with my little circus umbrella over my head for balance, so try not to laugh me off the page for this. I'm brand new to traditional music, and I love She Moves Through the Fair as well. I just can't get it out of my head that it's fundamentally the same song as My Lagan Love (except for a lovely chord change in the b figure of Lagan). They're both very sweet and I've been wondering whether there's something in the origin of the two that accounts for the similar melody...Ah well to paraphrase Father Mulcahy in M*A*S*H, "...i'ts all just Sleepy Lagoon played fast." By the way, it's pretty amazing that there's a place like this to have this sort of conversation!! Nice to be here. Pam |
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01 Jun 99 - 10:10 PM (#83358) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Alice It's good to have you here, Pam. Yes, I noticed a few notes of similarity between the two. |
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02 Jun 99 - 12:24 AM (#83383) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Helen Hi all,
Here is a I suspect it might be a Barry Taylor sequence but it isn't credited with any names for the sequencing. Helen |
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02 Jun 99 - 01:13 PM (#83479) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Philippa Dave Murphy (5 May 1997) - yes, I do |
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03 Jun 99 - 01:49 AM (#83607) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: SingsIrish Songs I just came across this post at rec.music.celtic I quote:
"Anúna [Anuna] are currently preparing to record this piece - and have confirmed with MCPS in Dublin that Padric Colum only wrote one verse of the four existing verses, therefore the traditional version has only three verses, not four as with Colum's version: Can anyone give me any further verses or preferably information on this song? Thank you Michael McGlynn http://www.anuna.ie " That would explain why that third verse is so often left out... SingsIrish |
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08 Jun 99 - 10:53 AM (#84922) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: DanMulligan A very interesting variation on this tune was recorded on Ashley MacIssac's CD, |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:09 PM (#274297) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Jana Hello, Love all the info on She Moves. But no one has really touched on the actual story behind the song. Has this man married another and she's coming in the night to haunt him? "The people we're saying no two were ere wed" He didn't marry the girl moving through the fair. Anyone know? Thanks! |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:23 PM (#274306) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Alice she died before they could marry, so her ghost came in at night to him (she came so softly that her feet made no din) |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:53 PM (#274325) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Naemanson I always thought that the bride to have died before the wedding. That's why: (a) her feet made no din; and (2) the song exists in the first place. I doubt the song would have been created in the first place if they got married and lived happily ever after. And if it had been written about an actual marriage I doubt people would have kept the song alive without that element of tragedy. |
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09 Aug 00 - 12:55 PM (#274327) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: okthen i'm dredging this up from an aged memory but i was told that the couple were engaged to be married but she died before the wedding day "and she made her way homeward with one star awake as the swan in the evening moves over the lake" she was shot by mistake by hunters who thought she was a swan the night visiting lore is that an engaged couple would spend the night together before the wedding and that if anything happened to either of them the ghost of the departed would visit the other. i can't remember the titles but there are songs where on the "night before" although the parents would turn a blind eye to the situation they would also tie pots and pans etc. beneath the bed so that the couple could sleep together but not energetically! cheers bill |
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09 Aug 00 - 09:22 PM (#274721) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Lox There's a film starring Daniel Day Lewis about a dentist (passionately obsessed with oral hygiene) who goes to work in South America. I think Argentina, to be precise, but can't quite remember. Anyway, he sings "She moved...etc..." in Irish whilst in the bath (steady now!). It's a good film, but it's been a while since I saw it, so if anyone else has seen it and can remember the name, please post it. You will then hear it as it was meant to sound (though abridged to a certain extent) |
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09 Aug 00 - 09:36 PM (#274729) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas The "swan" image is just that; a poetic image of a sort particularly popular in Ireland, usually with no deeper significance. So far as being mistaken for a swan and shot goes; well, that's a completely different story. Malcolm |
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10 Aug 00 - 01:33 AM (#274882) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR From: BigDaddy Okay, to muddy the waters a little more:
My young love said to me, "My mother won't mind,
She stepped away from me and she moved through the fair
The people were saying, "no two were e'er wed,
Last night she came to me, my dead love came in. I feel it's important to establish the fact that she's dead by the last verse. And the way I learned it (as written here) does that. |
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10 Aug 00 - 02:00 AM (#274889) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Alice okthen/bill, I think your memory has mixed this up with another song,click here MOLLY BAWN. |
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10 Aug 00 - 02:31 AM (#274893) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Barry Finn Still wouldn't mind if someone posted the parody "She Fell Through The Floor". Thanks, Barry |
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10 Aug 00 - 04:12 AM (#274905) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: okthen Alice you may well be right about mixing the two songs up but,i'm pretty sure that's how i heard the story. maybe the person who told me had them mixed up? i'll try and research this from C SHARP HOUSE but that could take a while cheers bill |
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10 Aug 00 - 07:49 AM (#274930) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,JTT Padraic Colum told me when I was a child that he had written She Moved Through the Fair and was extremely chuffed to find it listed as "traditional" and "anonymous" within his lifetime. He saw this as a high compliment. |
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10 Aug 00 - 08:21 AM (#274942) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: IanC JTT The Contemplator looks useful on this. "The original words were an old ballad from Donegal which was collected in 1909. The words were "reworked" by Padraic Colum to this version. Alternate titles and variants include, Our Wedding Day and Out of the Window."
Cheers! |
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10 Aug 00 - 02:32 PM (#275197) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Lox Dear "...." What are the words in Irish? |
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10 Aug 00 - 06:48 PM (#275384) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Bernard It's what is known as a 'demon lover ballad', meaning that one of the partners has already died before the start of the song, so to speak. The 'fair' means a field of flowers. |
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10 Aug 00 - 09:11 PM (#275456) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas Unless it just means "the fair", as in one of those events you go to that involve buying and selling livestock etc. It is not a "demon lover" ballad; the reference to death is recent (20th. century I think, though John Moulden would know for sure), though it is of course very romantic. Beware of reading things into songs for which there is no evidence beyond wishful thinking... Malcolm |
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12 Aug 00 - 04:44 AM (#276227) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Bernard Not my opinion, chuck, I read it somewhere a LONG time ago... |
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12 Aug 00 - 08:07 AM (#276250) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas Fair enough; I still think it's wrong, though. |
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12 Aug 00 - 10:30 AM (#276277) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: P05139 OK, everyone's mentioning the Sinead O'Connor version, but Boyzone also did a fantastic version which can be found on the B-Side of the single "A Different Beat" or Track 14 of the album of the same name. Ronan Keating's voice suits the song perfectly, so there! |
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12 Aug 00 - 11:10 AM (#276291) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas Boyzone? Good heavens. Mind you, good as so many of the contemporary recordings of the song are, to my mind they're really "covers" rather than distinct variants in their own right, at least for the moment. I was maybe a bit abrupt earlier, Bernard; sorry about that. I should really have gone into more detail. A look at other traditional versions will soon make it plain what sort of fair we're talking about! As to the supernatural element, in the traditional versions that I've seen, with one exception, the young man loses his love, not to death, but either for an unspecified reason (as in the version Paddy Tunney heard from Barney MacGarvey in 1960, and printed in The Stone Fiddle) or, more usually, to another man; as in, for example, Our Wedding Day (in Kennedy, mentioned above by Muriel Doris; there is another version, from Sam Henry's Songs of the People, here: Our Wedding Day ) or My young love said to me (Paddy Tunney). The exception is Margaret Barry's four-verse version; this is virtually identical to Padraic Colum's rewrite, but instead of "she came softly in", she sang "my dead love came in". I strongly suspect that it was she who introduced that bit to the song, and in so doing completely changed its meaning. That would be some time in the 1940s or 50s, presumably. As it happens, I think that it was a stroke of genius, but it does mean that any speculation as to the deeper meaning of that particular version of the song can only be subjective and personal; a matter of opinion, not fact. I'm hoping that John Moulden will look in and tell me if I'm hopelessly wrong in my guess, and that somebody will post the Gaelic version that gets mentioned from time to time. Malcolm |
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12 Aug 00 - 03:50 PM (#276399) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR From: Catrin I once had a sweetheart, I loved her right well I loved her far better than my tongue can tell Her parents did slight me for my want of gear Adieu to all pleasure, since I lost my dear She went away from me and she moved through the fair Where hand-clapping dealers' loud shouts rent the air The sunlight around her did sparkle and play Saying "It will not be long love, 'til our wedding day" When dew falls on meadows and moths fill the night When the glow from the grease hawk(?) on the hearth throws half light I'll slip from my casement and I'll run away Then it will not be long love, till our wedding day Then according to promise, at midnight I arose But all that I found there were her bloodstained clothes Now it's out through the window and plain for to see Oh gone is my love and murdered is she Now my own, how I loved her, as much as my life And yes, my intention was to make her my wife My poor heart lies bleeding for the girl I adored I will pray for her soul now, what can I do more? I dreamed last night that my dead love came in She came in so easy that her feet made no din She came stepping up to me and this she did say "It will not be long love, 'til our wedding day" Probably a bit of a mish mash that - it's words a friend gave to me and I haven't got a clue where they came from. Might help in the discussion though. And yes, one of my favourites too. Catrin |
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12 Aug 00 - 04:23 PM (#276419) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: P05139 Yes, Malcolm, BOYZONE! They are Irish after all! |
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12 Aug 00 - 05:31 PM (#276451) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas I must try to listen to that... The version Catrin posted above seems to be mainly Paddy Tunney's (verses 1-4), with a verse 5 that may have come from the version in Kennedy (or one like it) and a final verse that could be from the Barney MacGarvey version I mentioned, and which Paddy recorded on The Wild Bees' Nest. Having said that, there are some important differences, since, as I said, none of them mention death. Paddy's 4th. verse ran: According to promise, at midnight he rose But all that he found was the downfolded clothes. The sheets they lay empty 'twas plain for to see And out of the window with another went she. Verse 5 looks like a conflation of two of the verses from Kennedy, with "soul" substituted for "welfare". In MacGarvey's version, it's "true love", not "dead love". Unless somebody can find a traditional source for it, I'd put money on it's being a recent re-write, though certainly an interesting twist to the story. Oh, "grease-hawk" is given by Tunney as "greesagh", which I believe is Gaelic "griosach": "burning embers". Malcolm |
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13 Aug 00 - 10:41 AM (#276833) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Catrin Wow, Malcolm C. That is sooo interesting. I think it shows that the folk tradition, of songs evolving because of half remembered words and tunes, is still going on, even with all of todays technology which freezes songs into 'correct' versions. Perhaps that's a thread drift though. I like the 'murdered' bit of the story though. I think it makes it more interesting. And the ghost bit too. Come to think of it, I always thought it was a ghost story and the references to 'dead' love, rather than 'true' love, were 'original'. I am though, as always, only too ready to be proved wrong. Cheers, Catrin |
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13 Aug 00 - 01:02 PM (#276910) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,mariankc@hotmail.com Has anyone heard the lovely version sung by Nana Mouskouri on her album of songs of the British Isles? It includes the 4 "classic" verses.This was my first exposure to this beautiful song. I agree that Sandy Denny's singing of it is superb also. Must say that "HE Moved through the Fair" (the version Nana sings) gave me the impression that the man had left the girl to pine despite the promise of marriage, and that the final ghostly reappearance was but her wishful fantasy. BTW, I think my personal favorite song of all is "The Streets of Laredo." I suppose that's being discussed by another thread, eh? I shall have to find it. Michael Martin Murphey in performance (and perhaps on one of his albums) makes clear the Gaelic origins of "Streets." Marian C. |
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15 Aug 00 - 06:12 AM (#278049) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVES THROUGH THE FAIR (parody) From: Snuffy I don't know the parody "She Fell Through the Flare", but here's Les Barker's take on the song. SHE MOVES THROUGH THE FAIR(Les Barker)My young love said to me, "My mother won't mind, And my father won't slight you for your lack of kind." Then she put her arms around me and this she did say, "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." She stepped away from me, and she moved through the fair, She won some old goldfish and one teddy bear. Then she made her way homeward, with one star awake, It was too dark to see, and she fell in the lake. Last night she came to me, my wet love came on. And sadly she told me that Teddy had gone. The she put her arms around me, and this she did say. "It's goldfish and chips for your dinner today." Sung by Alison Younger on Oranges And Lemmings, Mrs Ackroyd Records DOG007 Wassail! V
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19 Aug 00 - 11:54 AM (#280767) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Susanne (skw) Lovely, Snuffy! I hate parodies of songs I love, but some are actually very good! Different topic: A friend tells me he has heard that this song originally had other lyrics, concerning a mother looking for her dead child. I've never heard this story before, but maybe someone else knows what this may refer to? - Susanne |
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19 Aug 00 - 12:16 PM (#280775) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR (f. Mouskouri) From: Alice Well, I love anything the way Nana Mouskouri sang it. I actually have always sung this changing it a little myself, because when the lyrics are first person male, I usually look for a way to have it make more sense for a woman singing it. Here are my slight changes for when I sing it:
His young love said to him,
She stepped away from him,
Last night she came to him,
So, not much different from the other version, but if you are a woman, better than singing words written for a man. Alice
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19 Aug 00 - 04:55 PM (#280859) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: poet 20 years ago (before mudcat) the only source of lyrics open to me was what I could pinch from visiting singers. I once heard the misterious 3rd verse and then NEVER heard it again. so when I decided that I wanted to sing this song I took a liberty and wrote this verse in its place. Oh my young love she left me for death came that night and he took her away from the world and the light, and the thoughts in my mind were of what she did say that tommorrows the morning of our wedding day. I have since of course found the missing verse but I find that I cannot imprint into my memory to replace the one that I wrote so i'm afraid I still sing my own words. Graham (Guernsey) |
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19 Aug 00 - 04:59 PM (#280860) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Liz the Squeak There's a verse about small birds singing too, Derek Gifford sings it, but I've not got round to picking it off the tape yet. Anyone know where that came from? LTS |
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19 Aug 00 - 06:44 PM (#280904) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: MartinRyan Malcolm You're right about "gríosach" - I believe Paddy Tunney himself inserted it. Regards
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20 Aug 00 - 01:21 PM (#281201) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Bagpuss The first version I heard of this was by All About Eve. Its one of the songs that first got me into singing folk songs. Just to clarify, the second line ends in the word "kine" (meaning cattle - and therefore wealth), and not kind. Bagpuss |
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29 Nov 00 - 05:24 PM (#348513) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Catrin Refresh |
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13 Dec 00 - 12:50 AM (#356198) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Rebecca Helen put me onto this thread and i was a bit surprised to see that noone had mentioned the Loreena McKennitt version of the song. It is absolutely amazing. I can't remeber which CD it is but its one of her earliest ones. Anyway if you want to listen to a perfect vocalisation of this song have a listen to that one. Rebecca |
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13 Dec 00 - 08:38 AM (#356288) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR From: Jimmy C I first heard this song when I was a youngster. My mother used to sing it, but her version of the first and last verses went like this.
Oh my young love said to me,
Last night she came to me, She sang the 2nd and 3rd verses as Big Daddy has posted above. I believe she called the song "The Next Market Day". |
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16 Feb 01 - 08:44 AM (#399309) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: IanC Just to "correct" an earlier posting. You don't have to read "Kind" as "Kine" (very unlikely in the context of the song. "Lack of kind" is an expression meaning lack of material wealth. It's still used occasionally today in East Anglia (UK)
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16 Feb 01 - 10:02 AM (#399352) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Greenbeer i recently started a thread on this very topic over on uk.music.folk, and received this personal reply from the musician David Kilpatrick which i am reprinting here to add to the pot. http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/849/849221.html It's been one my more successful songs. I'll admit to being influenced by Loreena McKennit anyway, but in this also by Hamish Imlach's final album before he died - both Hamish's most beloved ladies came over to Kelso for an 'in memoriam' concert on the day he was supposed to be booked to play at our club, a few weeks after his funeral. I'm pretty sure they did 'She Moves' that night as well, with Ian Mackintosh and Tich Frier on stage. It was Hamish's use of sweeping organ sounds that persuaded me to create the spatial swirling effects using the bodhran skin. There was also some debate on the traditional or otherwise nature of 'She Moves', and the subject of the song. It is not a ghost story, as some people think; in one music book, the words 'my dear love came to me' were misprinted as 'my dead love came to me', and that's how the mistake started. The words were written by Percy French, or collected by him, and the tune may be traditional; it is widely published as traditional, and often never attributed to French. The actual story is of marital desertion, not death; the (more wealthy) bride moves in, but pretty swiftly leaves her intended husband and takes all her furniture, linen and clothes etc with her. The period the song refers to is one where pots and pans, nightshirts, stools, chests and so on were considered so valuable they were handed down through the generations and invading soldiery or local robbers would literally steal the shirt off your back. So a wealthy (in terms of 'gear') girl was a worthwhile catch. The narrator merely DREAMS his bride returned to him, and it doesn't imply that she is a ghost - just that he is alone. David Kilpatrick |
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16 Feb 01 - 10:36 AM (#399370) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: wes.w Vague memory.. Malcom Douglas says Paddy Tunney on 'Wild Bees Nest', but perhaps also earlier on 'Irish Edge' (awful bright pink cover LP) where Paddy does a spoken intro to this song? Confused by age... wes |
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16 Feb 01 - 10:39 AM (#399372) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas As discussed earlier in this thread, the tune is traditional; Padraic Colum re-wrote the words at one point (I don't think that Percy French had any involvement) and most people who sing it nowadays are singing the verses as he re-worked them, with the exception of the "dead love" bit. I've heard the misprint story and while it's obviously possible, I'd want to know which book it was! I've suggested elsewhere that Margaret Barry was the most likely source of the change to "dead love", and have since found that "Songs of the People" makes the same suggestion. Margaret Barry is the original source, so far as can be told, of pretty well all the "revival" recordings of the song, which are not so much versions in their own right as arrangements of her version. Malcolm |
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16 Feb 01 - 10:58 AM (#399390) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas Paddy Tunney did indeed record Out the Window on "The Irish Edge"; originally on Topic Records, since re-issued by Ossian. I haven't heard that one, but I believe it's the version he got from his mother, Brigid; I Once Had a True-Love, on "The Wild Bees' Nest" was the version he got from Barney McGarvey of Clonkillymore. Malcolm |
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16 Feb 01 - 12:25 PM (#399466) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Seany Hard song to sing for a bloke .. Did anyone mention that the final line - 'It will not be long love till our wedding day' is indicating that the chap will die soon too and they will be united in the spirit world.
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16 Feb 01 - 12:47 PM (#399489) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Michael Miland I'm still of two minds over the "kind" vs. "kine". I think either is possible. Kind can mean relatives, thus he lacks status or heritage (orphan?). Kine obviously could refer to cattle i.e. the kind of material wealth which a good catch would possess. |
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17 Feb 01 - 03:30 AM (#400003) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Paul Mitchell Catlin, the version sung by Mary Black makes a reference to "The glow of the gree sark" (my spelling). When I first discovered the Mudcat I asked if anyone knew what this meant. Some one, and I can't remember who (sorry,) explained that it's a celtic word refering to the glowing embers of a fire, perhaps most typically seen in the wee hours of the morning whilst a sad, lonely person sits by the dying fire. That makes sense to me with the idea of the "half hearth" giving off "half light". Paul |
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17 Feb 01 - 09:09 AM (#400100) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas Well, I certainly answered Catrin's question rather earlier in this thread, and Martin Ryan kindly confirmed my reading of it. As we said at the time, that particular line came from Paddy Tunney. |
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17 Feb 01 - 11:25 AM (#400164) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Big Tim I read smwhere that the music was provided by Herbert Hughes, probably trad like most of his tunes. Hughes, Colum and Joseph Campbell were all frinds. "Wee Pat" as Campbell's mother called often went to the Campbell home in East Belfast for sunday dinner. |
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17 Feb 01 - 03:36 PM (#400306) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: McGrath of Harlow I've always liked it best without the third verse about "the people etc", and with "my dead love came in" for the last verse. The third verse is great, but it slows things down. I think it's more powerful with the story pared-down to just sufficient to tell it all, no spare flesh on the bones. That's how Margaret Barry sang it, and it's from her singing that the song won its present wide provenance, I think.
And the last line about "It will not be long love till our wedding day" - surely that's her reassuring him that they won't be parted long, because he'll be dying soon, and that'll be their waedding-day. So it's a happy ending. |
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18 Feb 01 - 10:22 AM (#400794) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Patrick Shields, the uniformed Can anyone give , for certain, the author of this wonderful song? We of the Georgia Mudcats and always thought it purely traditional. |
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18 Feb 01 - 11:03 AM (#400814) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas Pá:draic Colum (I misspelt his name earlier) re-wrote some traditional verses, which was common practice amongst Irish poets at the time (cf. Yeats' Sally Gardens, for example). These verses seem to have gone back into tradition almost immediately, alongside still-existing traditional versions and sung to the same traditional tune. The "dead love" bit is a later alteration, as stated above. "Trad. adapted Colum" would seem fair in the circumstances. He died in 1972. Malcolm |
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18 Feb 01 - 11:42 AM (#400839) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Peter K (Fionn) Always glad to be nudged into re-reading this absorbing thread. Thanks to Martin and Malcolm especially. Having previously on Mudcat acclaimed Sean McMahon's antholology of Irish songs, prose and verse, Rich and Rare, I now have to put a question-mark against his editing. McMahon gives the four-verse version, and not only atributes it to Colum but states: "...so well known and so often sung that it is incorrectly regarded as traditional." This version has "brothers" and "parents" in the first two lines, rather than "mother" and "father", and "my young love" rather than "my dead love" in the last verse. In view of Colum's at least partial claim on the song, it would be interesting to know what elements of it have been documented as pre-dating him. |
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12 Jun 01 - 01:26 PM (#481702) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Chris Hi All. I was informed by Dick Richardson, an excellent Sussex singer, that "the sorrow that never was said" is a reference to TB and that this was a common way of referring to the disease. I have always understood this to be a ghost story in verse - it's certainly haunting in every sense of the word.
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12 Jun 01 - 06:30 PM (#481908) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Jan Does anyone out there remember going to a SPINNERS concert when this song was sung as a solo by Mick Groves he introduced it saying that he learned the first two verse from his mother and having been unsucessful in finding any other fragments he wrote two additional verses. I don't have the words to hand but could find them if anyone is totally desperate Jan L |
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12 Jun 01 - 07:06 PM (#481943) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Susanne (skw) Jan, thanks for your offer, but the words are in the DT, and there are quite a number of threads on the song. (Try the 'Digitrad and Forum Search' box at the top of the threadlist to find both.) I never heard that Spinners story, but it's quite possible and has happened with other songs. I'd have to compare the Spinners version with the other three that I have. From memory I'd say that only the third verse ('All the people were saying') may differ significantly from the other versions or perhaps not be in them at all. I'll check.
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12 Jun 01 - 09:15 PM (#482043) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE BAR (Kipper family) From: fleetwood Then of course there is a version by the Kipper family: 164 SHE MOVED THROUGH THE BAR
My young love she says to me, "my mother won't mind,
She leaned away from me and she fell down the stairs.
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12 Jun 01 - 10:37 PM (#482096) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Malcolm Douglas See also: She Moved Through the Fair[e] parody |
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12 Jun 01 - 11:48 PM (#482156) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Brían I beleive there is definitely a relationship btween this ballad and one titled "Green Grow the Laurels", which is in the digitrad search. I am afraid the melody that is on the midi won't support my claim, but I have a recording by a singer named Kevin McElroy from my area who sings "Green Grow the Laurels" to the same tune, but at a rollicking tempo. There is also a version of "An Sagairtín"(The Little Priest)a song about a woman who sees her lover on the road as he returns from college. She professes her love to him, but too late. He has become a priest. He says that perhaps he can baptise her children. It is the very same melody as "She Moves Through the Fair" on the album Bláth na nÓige by Máirtín Tom Sheanín, although I recognise that melodies of irish tunes are very interchangable. There is a version of "An Sagairtín" in Amhráin Chlainne Gaedheal, but I don't have a copy to compare the melody. That collection was published in 1905. I thought I would mention this, because no one else has, and I would love some more discussion on this. Brían. |
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10 Aug 01 - 12:44 PM (#525127) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Laura Was just wondering if anyone could recommend a good book with a rendition of this for piano. Thanks to whoever posted the chords above. Am always looking for easy piano books with renditions of traditional folk songs. Title suggestions for easy piano books would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. |
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11 Aug 01 - 09:50 AM (#525611) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,SlowAlan Yes I think that is right, Padraic Colum usually indicated where he was using traditional material. I have always thought he wrote the entire thing...the extrememly good poetry of the piece is an indication that it was in fact written by a poet and not an oral piece pieced up by farm workers.. I think he wrote it to sound like an old ballad, and even "left verses out of it" to add to its mystery. |
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13 Aug 01 - 06:12 PM (#527087) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Paul from Hull Superb song...though I havent heard the Sandy Denny version, regrettably, cos I'm a BIG fan of hers..... I post mainly for the benefit of Lox though, who posted about the Film in which Daniel Day Lewis sings the song. The blurb about the Film (which is called 'Eversmile, New Jersey) can be found here: http://uk.imdb.com/Title?0097302 (apologies for not knowing how to do 'Blue Clicky Things') |
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13 Aug 01 - 07:29 PM (#527168) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: McGrath of Harlow "The extremely good poetry of the piece is an indication that it was in fact written by a poet"
I suppose that's mean to get an argument going, but that's not such a good thing to do in a thread which is 96 posts long already.
It's absolute rubbish of course, in my view, if it's suggesting that farm workers, and the oral process, isn't every bit as capable of producing great poetry as any individual poet (and a poet might of course also be a farm labourer, and often is and has been). But it's the kind of rubbish that might get an interesting argument going.
So maybe you should step outside and say that again, SlowAlan.
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14 Aug 01 - 03:19 PM (#527939) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: ard mhacha McGrath, My Uncle Robert Burns would have been proud of you. Slan Ard Mhacha. |
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14 Dec 01 - 12:52 PM (#609719) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Keltik my small contribution on the thread creep (and thread CPR) on the topic of recorded versions.... Owain Phyfe and the New world renaissance band do a fantastic version on thier cd "Odessey" gives me goose bumps every time... |
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15 Dec 01 - 12:47 PM (#610468) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Keith A of Hertford I sometimes sing dead love and sometimes dear. When she comes to him alive i enjoy the double meaning that can be made of " It will not be long love till our wedding day". when she says it at the fair he takes it to mean no, but at night it cleary means yes. I don't care if I have misunderstood an original meaning, it works for me. Payment in kind is a commonplace and a legal expression in UK meaning payment in goods or services rather than money. Keith. |
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10 Jun 02 - 08:11 AM (#726944) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Mr Happy i recently heard someone sing another parody version, including 'with one star awake, she couldn't see her way home and she fell in the lake' anyone got the rest of this? |
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10 Jun 02 - 09:06 AM (#726956) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: Snuffy Sounds like the Les Barker version which is further up the thread: Date: 15-Aug-00 - 06:12 AM WassaiL! V |
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12 Jan 04 - 02:02 PM (#1091285) Subject: RE: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST Brían mentioned An Sagairtín in his message of 12 June 2001, so I just thought I'd let you know that the lyrics are posted. I can't say I've noticed any special resemblance between these songs. |
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14 May 06 - 12:36 PM (#1740553) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST This is another example of the Irish stealing a tune from us English, calling it their's and getting all the credit. From reading posts on this site the impression given is that mudcatters are aware that the irish do not have the intelligence to grow potatoes let alone write songs! |
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14 May 06 - 12:37 PM (#1740555) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,DB That's true they even stole guinness from us! |
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14 May 06 - 12:39 PM (#1740559) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,therealme I always felt this song was most powerful as a simple lyric of love and desire, without the tiresome and clumsy gear of TB and murder and elopement and betrayal and ghosts and shape-shifters and visually-challenged hunters and things that don't go bump in the night and general doom. (Have I covered everything?) There are few parallels in song or poetry to the unresolved erotic tension of the final verse, in which the prospective bridegroom's fiance sneaks to his bed, "lays her hand on him", and says, "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." That is, if you're thinking of them as real, flesh-and-blood people. |
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31 Aug 06 - 10:45 PM (#1824177) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Alice |
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15 Jan 07 - 03:52 PM (#1937524) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,The piper Whatever the origins, recent or otherwise of the beautiful lyrics, this tune is probably pretty ancient, since it fits easily on the bagpipes [ I've figured out an arrangement so it can't be too difficult]. The scale on the pipes has slightly different intervals, that don't fit exactly with the "do-reh-me..." scale, which is probably why so many many pipe tunes don't quite sound right when played on other instruments,e.g the piano, and some of these tunes are seriously old. "The flowers of the Forest" which, legend has it, commemorates the dead of Flodden {1514} has been played, literally for centuries,and will no doubt still be played in the distant future, Graham |
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15 Jan 07 - 03:56 PM (#1937532) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: billbunter I recall somewhere The flowers o the Forest was dedicated to the Ettrick archers who died at Flodden - about 60 of them |
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22 Jun 07 - 10:33 PM (#2084561) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Taconicus Our Wedding Day/Moved Through the Fair |
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27 Jun 07 - 12:43 AM (#2087950) Subject: Lyr Add: SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR (Padraic Colum From: Jim Dixon With Google Book Search, you can view "Wild Earth and Other Poems" by Padraic Colum, 1916, which contains this poem. I don't think this exact version has been posted at Mudcat before. I have boldfaced the differences between this version and the version in the DT. SHE MOVED THROUGH THE FAIR My young love said to me, "My brothers won't mind, And my parents won't slight you for your lack of kind." And she stepped away from me and this she did say: "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." She stepped away from me and she moved through the fair, And fondly I watched her go here and go there, Then she went her way homeward with one star awake, As the swan in the evening moves over the lake. The people were saying, no two were e'er wed But one had a sorrow that never was said, And I smiled as she passed with her goods and her gear, And that was the last that I saw of my dear. I dreamt it last night that my young love came in, So softly she entered, her feet made no din; She came close beside me and this she did say, "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." |
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27 Jun 07 - 02:50 AM (#2087987) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Jim Lad That's a lovely song. What's it about? |
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27 Jun 07 - 02:22 PM (#2088404) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Taconicus Jim asks what it's about. I agree, most of the versions (including the four-verse one currently popular) don't make much sense. Is it supposed to be a maxim that "two never wed but one had a sorrow that never was said"? I never heard that before. I think the following seven-verse version makes more sense, yet retains a delicious ambiguity. Did she run away with another? Did she kill herself? What was the "sorrow that never was said"? Did she return, or (more probably) is that his fantasy or a dream? We're never quite sure--but the words make sense in any of those cases. Our Wedding Day/She Moved Through the Fair My young love said to me, "My brothers won't mind. "Nor will my parents slight thee for thy lack of kind." Then she placed her hand on me and this she did say: "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." Then she stepped away from me and moved through the fair. And fondly I watched her move here and move there. Then she turned her way homeward with but one star awake. Like the swan in the evening moving over the lake. The neighbors were saying we two ne'er would wed For one had a sorrow that never was said. But I smiled as she passed with her goods and her gear. And that was the last time that I saw my dear. Then according to promise at midnight I rose, But I found nothing of her but linen and clothes. The window was open; my young love was gone. And I left behind to wander alone. Oh love, my young love, what is this path you chose? You have taken the thistle; forsaken the rose. The thistle will wither; it soon will decay, While the red rose turns fallow, and its petals fall away. Now if I had two wings, like an eagle I'd fly. I would fly to my young love's side, and it's there that I'd lie. In a bed of green ivy I'd leave myself down, And with my two folded wings I would my love surround. Last night she came to me, my young love came in. So softly she came that her feet made no din. Then she lay down beside me, and this she did say: "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." |
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27 Jun 07 - 02:31 PM (#2088414) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Jim Lad I'll shut the door behind me. |
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27 Jun 07 - 02:34 PM (#2088418) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Declan That's Les Barker's parody posted by Snuffy earlier in this thread. |
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26 Nov 07 - 12:04 PM (#2202499) Subject: tab From: GUEST,mac the knife am looking for a version of the music as played by a guy called scholley on youtube or somthing similair. have got a couple of versions, one in dadgad thats nice but want somthing "fuller". any suggestions? |
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27 Nov 07 - 04:53 AM (#2202988) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Bryn Pugh It is possible to play the tune 'melodically' using open G - 1st - 6th D B G D G D or, as I prefer, open C 1st - 6th E C G C G E, or 'low' C, at your preference. Try a D minor shape at the 5th, for effect. I have chords other than the F barre at 5th position, and G barre at 7th, if any one wants 'em : there is Am, F, G, Caug and Bb. Bryn, the aspiring guitarist (!) |
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27 Nov 07 - 04:58 AM (#2202991) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Bryn Pugh PS : (that'll learn me not to press the 'transmit' so quick !) apart from never having come to terms with DADGAD (notwithstanding many years of trying, in both sense of the word), played in DADGAD it sounds very 'harsh' to me, and not at all in keeping with the gentleness of the melody. It was my understanding that Padraig Colum wrote, or made, the song. I am happy to accept that his might have been a re-working of earlier material, if not a translation from a Goidelic Celtic language. Again, despite trying, Brythonic Celtic is the only stream I have mastered - sorry for thread-creep, fellow 'Catters ! |
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02 Sep 08 - 02:36 AM (#2428387) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Owen an geal gael Here's an Idea...Hands up all those who want his love to be "dead"!...Mines uP!! |
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02 Sep 08 - 04:41 AM (#2428441) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST There was a thread around a while ago about songs which "got to you". My personal unit of measurement is whether the short hairs on the back of my neck, move. I have heard many versions of this song but one which had the short hairs jumping up and down is by Joe Brown on his "Hitting The High Spots" album. He is accompanied by his daughter, Sam and the backing includes such unexpected instruments as ukulele and didgeridoo?? I've been an admirer of Joe as a guitarist since the 50s and have heard various jaunts by him into folk music (he is an accomplished fiddler as well) but this goes down as my all-time favourite Joe Brown track. It starts off rhythmically and powerful and goes UP from there. I've searched for a link but can't find one. If the idea of Joe Brown + folk music is a difficult one for you, Try keeping an open mind and give it a listen if you come across the album. Eddie |
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02 Sep 08 - 02:22 PM (#2429007) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: romany man Nearly every romany singer has this song in their list of songs. though they dont often sing the old songs in public, there are thousands of songs that most people wont hear and a few songs they will, will there be travellers in heaven is a great song but not widely known |
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03 Sep 08 - 03:13 AM (#2429568) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity This version, she sings like glass!!!Turn it loud, and enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCpajl7UH3w |
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03 Sep 08 - 08:40 AM (#2429732) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,machree01 Anthony Keaarns singing She Moved Through the Fair. http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CVdm5iRpo |
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03 Sep 08 - 01:29 PM (#2430014) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity machree01 , Thank you!..very nice version!..Maev and Anthony should sing together, someday!!! |
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04 Sep 08 - 07:24 AM (#2430677) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves Through the Fair From: Owen an geal gael OK?....Perhaps "want" is a little strong? Hand up those who 'prefer' her dead! |
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04 Apr 09 - 10:56 AM (#2604508) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Oliver Interesting to read the thoughts about this song, which I have been practising in countertenor voice. I heard a very nice version on Youtube by a countertenor here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAA3KewWfFQ. My take on it is that she died, presumably of an illness - and that is the "sorrow" that is referred to. It might have been TB, as that was common in the 19th Century, but to say that the "sorrow that never was said"always meant this, seems a bit unlikely as the verse says "no two ever were wed... but one had a sorrow" etc, which would suggest "no two people ever get married, but one is dying of TB.." What do you think is meant by "goods and gear" - was she trading in the fair/ been buying things in the fair? |
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04 Apr 09 - 11:14 AM (#2604519) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: meself Precisely. |
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04 Apr 09 - 11:14 AM (#2604520) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: meself (Which is to say, either/or/both). |
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04 Apr 09 - 08:22 PM (#2604793) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Canberra Chris Mudcat is great for collecting such strings of comment and information on songs, so thanks. Songs such as this work for me because they remain ambiguous, and don't spell out the story. So I tend to stick with versions that don't add extra explanatory verses or words to round it off - as also Dominic Behan did with Carrickfergus for example, but that is several other threads. This is just personal preference of course, those who want to straighten picture frames live here too, and it is often only through their intervention that we have the song at all and can then trace it back. Our minds want to recognise or project patterns, so we clothe what we hear with meaning and in our imagination we fill out a picture or create a story, and that is part of the pleasure of our response in hearing or singing a song. So we practice being sad about an imagined grief, just as a kitten practices being fierce, or scared, or brave. With a song lke this, it can be the grief we choose. Chris |
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05 Apr 09 - 07:00 AM (#2604965) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: ard mhacha So strange not to find any reference to John McCormack`s singing of this song, McCormack singing the last verse adds "my dead love came in". You can be sure this recording is much older than any of the recordings mentioned here and by far the best rendition of this song. On You Tube. |
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24 Feb 10 - 05:27 PM (#2849203) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Raz I am no expert but the melody of "She Moved Thru' the Fair" reminds me of Molly Ban, which is also about a young maiden being shot because she was mistaken for a swan. Although I believe that she was going to visit her uncle, so... this may have no relevence to your myth. But there seems to be a little connection. |
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24 Feb 10 - 07:10 PM (#2849316) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Gallus Moll Many years ago I heard Adam McNaughtan sing this parody (at Glenfarg Folk Festival I think)- if I remember correctly!: My young love said to me, as she moved thro' the flair, Through a hole in the linoleum tae the flat doon the stair, As she moved away from me, this she did say -- Aaaaaaaaarrrggghhhh!!! (Adam sang it most meaningfully - resultant hysterics!) |
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24 Feb 10 - 10:58 PM (#2849488) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: MGM·Lion Nobody has recorded on this long thread ~ tho ard mhacha just above comes nearest ~ that when we were all singing this song in mid-50s when Margaret Barry's famous rendition hit the Revival, Karl Dallas (or Fred, as he was known then) asked her in an interview where she had learned it ~ parents, other Travellers?. "Oh no," she replied' "I learned it off a gramophone record by Count John McCormack". Karl reminded of this during the recent BBC4 Folk Britannia series. |
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24 Feb 10 - 11:21 PM (#2849500) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: MGM·Lion ... tho, altho Barry's phrasing was much redolent of McCormack's [on youtube], it shd be noted that her version differed from his in the 2nd verse: he sang the "The people were saying 'no two were e'er wed'" version; while she sang the "She stepped away from me ... swan in the evening moves over the lake" one; so she would appear to have learned a reworking [the Padraic Colum one?] from somewhere. Neither of them sang both these verses, tho many singers [see thread passim] do. Worth mentioning perhaps also that Rosamond Lehmann's memoir of the death of her beloved daughter was pubd 1967 under title of The Swan In The Evening. |
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29 Nov 12 - 11:53 AM (#3444380) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Sky Can't help with origin but enjoyed the very learned discussion, Youse guys is marvellous so yez are! |
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30 Nov 12 - 04:00 AM (#3444696) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Dave Hanson I remember listening to a recording of Margaret Barry singing this song, she introduced it saying ' this is a very old song, and it continues to be old ' amazing wonderful woman. Dave H |
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20 Jan 13 - 01:50 PM (#3469054) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST Here it is being sung. |
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20 Jan 13 - 04:08 PM (#3469107) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Phil Edwards I recorded Out of the window a while back; it's a lovely song, but (perhaps because of the unfamiliar title) it's attracted a complete lack of interest from the listening public. Here it is, though: Out of the window |
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22 Oct 13 - 08:51 PM (#3569062) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Guest from Land of Oz Having waded through the posts and being still not much wiser, I have to agree that the bare bones of the story is what makes it haunting and captures our imagination, distinguishing traditional folk songs from more anecdotal ballads. I don't know much about medieval Irish culture but we only need to look at cultures around the world today to imagine that perhaps this young woman was not in charge of her own destiny and had naiively misjudged her family's reaction. She does not appear to have actually broached the subject of marrying the impoverished young man so perhaps she went home and dropped the bombshell. It also seems rather strange for a young woman to be going home from market alone in the small hours of the morning carrying her goods - was she attacked? Maybe she was already pregnant, maybe she was hastily married off to an older man (the thistle in the longer version?) Maybe she was unhappy at being unable to marry her young love and killed herself or maybe she died in childbirth. There are no end of possibilties but it does feel more like a song of thwarted love of the Romeo and Juliet genre than one of betrayal. It invites the listner to fill in the gaps. |
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23 Oct 13 - 03:46 AM (#3569136) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,banksie I have read before (somewhere...I thought here on Mudcat) that the sorrow was TB, which was (so I read) both quite common in Ireland and not spoken about publicly. It is one of the finest examples of telling a complete story in a truly concise fashion. And if it is TB then I thing the story is complete. A `time line' would then go something like this: Boy meets girl, they fall in love, plan to marry. Her parents are OK with this idea despite him not being that well off. They meet at an event of some kind (a fair) and go about their separate business. But this happens to be the last time they meet because she has TB and by the time she gets home she falls ill with it and dies. He dreams she comes to him (or she does as a ghost) and tells him (`it will not be long love till our wedding day') that he too has TB and will soon die. The word `dream' here might be appropriate actually, as I assume the latter stages of TB might lead to hallucinations and/or delirium. |
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03 Nov 13 - 06:32 PM (#3572567) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST It was collected in Donegal around 1903 by a team that included the musicologist Herbert Hughes who had been brought up in Belfast (Hughes was then 22). He collected traditional airs and transcribed folk songs in North Donegal in August 1903 with his brother Fred, the extraordinary F.J. Bigger, and John Campbell, all from Belfast. "Dedicated to seeking out and recording such ancient melodies as were yet to be found in the remoter glens and valleys of Ulster, he produced in 1904 Songs of Uladh (ancient name for Ulster) with Joseph Campbell, illustrated by Joseph's brother John Campbell and paid for by Bigger, who freely spent his own money, time and inexhaustible energy in supporting and publicising the creative talents and endeavours of others involved in the Irish Cultural Revival" - Bigger was an Anglican who lived on the Antrim Road in Belfast. F.J. Bigger was an incredible man, and was probably the prime mover and financer behind these and other collecting endeavours. See http://www.ardrighbooks.com/fjb.html . The version of "She Moved..." collected by Hughes, Campbell and Bigger was adapted by the Irish poet Padraig Colum, and was published by Hughes in 1909. Later Colum decided another verse was needed between the existing second and third verses. He often claimed to have written all four verses, but there seems to be no doubt that he simply adapted the original three (see next paragraph). In Irish Country Songs, Volume 1, 1909 by Herbert Hughes, the earliest published version that I have so far found, "She moved thro' the fair" is on page 46. Hughes states that the words are by "Padrẚic Colum adapted from an old ballad". That seems to be pretty definitive. It contains only these three verses, which I have copied here from the 1909 original as follows: My young love said to me, "My mother won't mind And my father won't slight you for your lack of kind", And she stepp'd away from me and this she did say, "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." She stepp'd away from me and she went thro' the fair, And fondly I watch'd her move here and move there, And then she went homeward with one star awake, As the swan in the evening moves over the lake. Last night she came to me, she came softly in, So softly she came that her feet made no din, And she laid her hand on me and this she did say "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." The song is spread over pages 46 to 48, and includes the music for the melody and a piano accompaniment. The melody is the same as the one that I have always known. I don't see anything in those words to suggest she had died, or gone away, or disappeared. Just two devoted lovers. Anything added later is just not being true to the simple and beautiful original, including Colum's subsequently added verse which includes the spurious "and that was the last that I saw of my dear". Did he do this (and other subsequent wording changes to the original three verses) just to spice up the song a bit? What a debt we owe to these chaps and all those other collectors who went out and about the country to listen and write down what they heard. Hughes and Campbell also collected "My Lagan Love" in Donegal in 1903. They are also credited with collecting the tune for "Down by the Salley Gardens", from which the familiar song was arranged by Hughes in 1909 using the poem of that name written by William Butler Yeats in 1899. (The tune used was the reel called "An Traigh Mughdhorna", or "The Moorlough Shore". I have listened to this reel and it is identical to "Down By..." except for the pace.) The Irish musical heritage is filled with such achingly beautiful melodies. But what of the wonderful tunes and songs that have been missed and lost forever? |
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04 Nov 13 - 03:35 AM (#3572643) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Phil Edwards GUEST - agreed in principle about the later additions... except that some of them may not be additions at all. Certainly anything to do with death seems to have been grafted on later, but the desertion verse harks back to the song noted down by Sam Henry as "Our Wedding Day" - which seems fuller and is probably just as old. |
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05 Nov 13 - 03:36 AM (#3572943) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Jim Carroll This is Paddy Tunney's version as I remember it - not sure who the singers is here, but a nice rendition, and it's Paddy's tune. http://songsskirtsandscones.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Out-of-the-window.mp3 Jim Carroll Out of the Window. My young love said to me, my mother won't mind And my father won't slight you for your lack of kind And she stepped away from me and this she did say: It will not be long, love, till our wedding day She stepped away from me and she moved through the fair Where hand clapping dealers' loud shouts rang the air The sunlight about her it did sparkle and play And it will not be long love until our wedding day. When dew falls on meadow and moths fill the night When the glow of the ashes in the hearth throws half light I'll slip from the casement and we will run away And then it will not be long love until our wedding day According to promise at midnight I rose But all that I found were the down folded clothes The sheets they lay empty it was plain for to see That out of the window with another went she If I were an eagle and had wings to fly I would fly to my loves castle and it's there I would lie On a bed of green ivy I would lay myself down And it's with my two fond wings I would my love surround |
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05 Nov 13 - 06:35 PM (#3573163) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Bryan Murphy Thanks Phil and Jim. I will have to research this further. My own feeling is that both "Our Wedding Day" and "Out of the Window" are later than and have borrowed from "She Moved Thro' the Fair", but I could be totally out to lunch. I will need to do more digging. Perhaps you have better info about these two ballads. Neither of them appears in the 1873 book "Ancient Irish Music" which comprises "100 airs hitherto unpublished, many of the old popular songs, and several new songs", but that may mean nothing I suppose. They could have been collected after 1873. More anon. A correction to my previous (and first ever) anonymous "GUEST" submission: W. B. Yeats published his poem "Down by the Salley Gardens" in 1889, not 1899 as I had misremembered - Yeats was then about 24. Apologies for the off-topic digression. |
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10 Jun 14 - 03:28 PM (#3631995) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Dave Sharp Don't know if this subject has been posted before, if so I apologise, but - Far be it from me to challenge accepted authority :-), BUT when I listen to Margaret Barry's recording line 2 to me is And my father won't slight you for your lack of COIN Makes more sense too! |
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10 Jun 14 - 03:33 PM (#3631996) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Lighter Makes sense but, since the poet Padraic Colum did write "kind," you're doing a wee bit of "folk processing." |
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10 Jun 14 - 09:03 PM (#3632046) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Joe_F "Kind", as you might suspect & the OED reveals, has had a complicated history, and projecting current usage into an old song is risky. For a long time it overlapped with "kin", and so a plausible guess at the meaning of the line is "And my father won't bother about your not being of a good family". |
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22 Oct 14 - 08:29 AM (#3671230) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Jack Campin Not much on this thread about the origins of the tune. It sounds rather chant-like to me, though I don't know liturgical chant well enough to point to a specific antecedent. |
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07 Mar 15 - 07:05 AM (#3692155) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: mark gregory I came across this version of the song in the Sydney newspaper the EveningNews of Saturday 28 December 1912 p. 3. indicating how popular it was in Australia. Irish Country Song My young love said to me, "My parents won't mind. And my brothers won't slight you for your lack of kind." Then she stepped away from me, and this she did say, "It will not be long love, till our marriage day." She went from me and she moved through the fair. And fondly I watched her go here and go there : Ten she went away homeward with one star awake As the swan in the evening moves over the lake. The people were saying no two were e'er wed But one had a sorrow that never was said. And I smiled as she passed with her goods and her gear, And that was the last that I saw of my dear. I dreamt it last night that my young love came in, So softly she entered her feet made no din She came close beside me, and this she did say, "It will not be long love, till our marriage day. —P. Colum cheers Mark |
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07 Mar 15 - 09:43 AM (#3692175) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,leeneia Padraic Colum didn't write the poem, he was the editor of the book in which it appeared. I've had the book (an Oxford compilation of Irish verse) in my hands myself. Borrowed it from the public library. We'll probably never know if it was kind, kine, or coin that the father cared about. Come to think of it, they all mean the same thing - wealth. |
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07 Mar 15 - 04:51 PM (#3692235) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Lighter > Padraic Colum didn't write the poem, In fact he did. All but the last stanza. The poem appears as his own work on p. 26 of Colum's "Wild Earth and Other Poems" (1916). Colum and the musician Herbert Hughes combined the poem with a melody that Hughes had collected in County Donegal. Colum's lyrics "adapted from an old ballad" first appeared in Hughes's "Irish Country Songs" (1909), pp. 46-48. Colum wrote in 1970 that only the final stanza had been from tradition. |
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07 Mar 15 - 08:07 PM (#3692258) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Jerome Clark One morning some two decades ago, as I was shaving, I got to thinking, for no apparent reason, about Hank Williams's "Mansion on the Hill" and "She Moves Through the Fair" at the same time. The result was a set of lyrics which, with melody and arrangement supplied by Robin & Linda Williams, became a song titled "The Other Side of Town." The Williamses recorded it twice, most recently on their album Back 40 (Red House, 2013). It was also cut by the bluegrass band Seldom Scene on its Like We Used to Be (Sugar Hill, 1994), and nearly covered by The Trio (Emmylou Harris, Linda Ronstadt, Dolly Parton). The lyrics go: On the other side of town there is a great mansion Where my love lives, I know On the other side of town they all dress in fashion And no one ever gets old. On the other side of town sweet music plays And dancers glide through the air On the other side of town Old friends embrace and live with no care. Chorus. On the other side of town The bright lights glow On this side of town The chilly winds blow I feel them as I wait for my time to come round When I'll go to the other side of town. From the other side of town she came in a dream Dressed in pearly white Oh she looked so far that to me it seemed Her face lit up the night. From the other side of town I heard her speak Though her voice made no sound She said it won't be long until we meet On the other side of town. Chorus. |
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07 Mar 15 - 08:10 PM (#3692260) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Jerome Clark In that second to last verse, that should be "Oh she looked so fair," not "far." |
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07 Mar 15 - 08:47 PM (#3692266) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Dennis the Elder My favourite version of this beautiful song is that of Joe Brown, with his daughter Sam. It certainly surprised my when I first heard it. |
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07 Mar 15 - 10:03 PM (#3692274) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Jerome Clark Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXdnixp7lFg |
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02 Feb 17 - 10:10 AM (#3836281) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Iain MacDonald re 'dead love': before Margaret Barry, John McCormack sang it that way in (according to Wikipedia) 1941, and Father Sydney MacEwan sang it that way in a recording from 1936, released on Parlophone - possibly the earliest commercially released recording of the song? |
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02 Feb 17 - 02:07 PM (#3836336) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Thompson Padraic Colum told me that he wrote it, and said it for me. I was about… let's see… from where we were living I must have been about 14 then. Remembered it always. |
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03 Mar 17 - 06:26 AM (#3842599) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Les The version of the lyrics I recall, from Anne Briggs' recording: My young love said to me, "My mother won't mind And my father won't slight you for your lack of kine." Then she laid her hand on me, and this she did say: "Oh, it will not be long, love, til our wedding day." She laid her hand on me, and she moved through the fair. And fondly I watched her move here and move there. Then she laid her hand on me, and this she did say: "Oh, it will not be long, love, til our wedding day." Last night she came to me, my dead love came in. And so softly she came, her feet made no din. Then she laid her hand on me, and this she did say: "Oh, it will not be long, love, til our wedding day." Though I must admit I always heard the second line as "And my father once liked you...", until I came here and read the correct ones, which do make more sense. |
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04 Mar 17 - 02:27 AM (#3842757) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: eftifino I agree with Guest Les on the word Kine. It is an old word for cattle. A man's suitability for a daughter's depended on his wealth, measured in cattle. So the girl is telling her boyfriend that her parents won't send him away because he is not wealthy. |
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16 Mar 17 - 06:04 PM (#3845278) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Merritt That's a song that goes to the bones. I heard various recorded versions growing up. My favorite interpretation is by Tommy O'Sullivan of Dingle, County Kerry. He headlined a Wisconsin, USA festival some years ago - my buddy and I were closer to the bottom of the poster - and the night before the big show he played this song at a pub by Lake Michigan. Gave me chills. From his album, Song Ablaze: http://www.tommyosullivan.net/05%20She%20Moved%20Through%20the%20Fa.mp3 |
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09 Mar 18 - 01:22 AM (#3910131) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Tony Rees In as it has not been posted before (or maybe on an expired link), you can hear Margaret Barry's version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DZXRQLN3bs Cheers - Tony Rees |
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09 Mar 18 - 01:25 AM (#3910132) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Tony Rees And Count John McCormack's precursor here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-g_4yVxnQY |
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21 Oct 20 - 07:35 AM (#4076266) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,Pete My favourite version is that by Tommy Dempsey and John Swift, on their Trailer LP "Green Grows The Laurel", a casualty of the Celtic Music disappearance. It has the extra 1909 "no two ere were wed" verse, plus another I've not heard before. He sings it beautifully (if you like the decorated style of Irish singing, which I do). My young love said to me, "My mother won't mind And my father won't slight you for your lack of kind." Then she stepped away from me, and this she did say: "Well it will not be long, love, til our wedding day." She stepped away from me, and she moved through the fair. And so fondly I watched her move here and move there. And then she went homeward with one star awake, As a swan in the evening moves over the lake. Well the people they were saying, that no two e'er were wed, For one had a sorrow that never was said, And then she went home with her books and her gear, And that was the last that I saw of my dear. And still in the evening, when the wild birds they do sleep, I heard a soft whisper and the young maiden weep, I heard a soft whisper and to me she did say, "It will not be long, love, til our wedding day." Last night she came to me, my dead love came in. And so softly she came, that her feet made no din. She laid her hands on me, and this she did say: "It will not be long, love, til our wedding day." |
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22 Jun 21 - 04:13 PM (#4111031) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Felipa the version of Out of the Window which is in The Sam Henry Collection and also in the DT under the title Our Wedding Day should have its blue clicky added to the top of the thread. This version has been recorded by Jane Cassidy and by Phil Edwards. lyrics: l once had a sweetheart and I loved her well, I loved her far better than my tongue can tell, But her parents despised me for my lack of years, So adieu to all pleasure since I lost my dear. Then last night I dreamed that my love she came in , So softly she came that her feet made no din. And she laid her hand on me, and this she did say "It will not be long, love, till our wedding day." Then according to promise at midnight I rose But nothing I found there but her down-turned clothes, The sheets were all empty, as plain as you see, And out of the window with another went she. Oh, Molly, my dear Molly, what's this you have done? You have pulled the dry thistle, left the red rose alone; The thistle will wither and fade all too soon, But the red rose will blossom in the merry month of June. I wish I were a small bird and had wings to fly, I would fly to the castle where my love does lie, On a bed of green ivy l would lay myself down, And with my soft feathers my love I'd surround. ==== The version Catrin gives in this discussion appears to be a recombination of the Padraic Colum poem, the version of it with the word "dead love", and the lyrics of out of the window that Paddy Tunney sang. I heard that it was Paddy Tunney himself who substituted the older-sounding word "casement" for "window". I think Colum did mean that the narrator never saw his dear again because she died, but since "dead love" was not in the poem as originally published, we can't be sure of that. As has already been pointed out, only the last verse of the poem comes from the Out of the Window songs that were already in the tradition. Neither the tune Paddy sings for his version nor the tune Jane Cassidy sings for the version from the Sam Henry collection is the same as the tune of She Moved Through the Fair. I wonder what lyrics were sung to the same air as She Moved Through the Fair. Someone suggested My Lagan Love; but again, it's not the tune My Lagan Love is usually sung to nowadays. |
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22 Jun 21 - 04:33 PM (#4111035) Subject: RE: Out of the Window aka Our Wedding Day From: Felipa I thought from what Martin Ryan wrote earlier that Áine Ní Cheallaigh had also recorded the version from the Sam Henry Collection, but no - Aine Ní Cheallaigh via youtube Paddy Tunney via youtube As for the Sam Henry version, Phil Edwards and Jane Cassidy have the same lyrics but different tunes; I would need to refer to the actual collection to check what tune was published therein. Jane Cassidy via Apple i-tunes Phil Edwards via Bandcamp |
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22 Jun 21 - 08:57 PM (#4111073) Subject: RE: Out of the Window aka Our Wedding Day From: Felipa The lyrics I posted some hours ago were copied from Phil Edward's Bandcamp page. The words are only slightly different from the lyrics that Jane Cassidy (and I myself) sing and that are in the Digital Tradition https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4544 It is this latter set of lyrics that are published in Songs of the People from the Sam Henry collection. |
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24 Jun 21 - 05:40 AM (#4111180) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: GUEST,jim bainbridge arguably the most murdered song in the Irish tradition? |
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01 Jul 21 - 06:18 PM (#4112044) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Felipa A Dave Murphy in this discussion back in 1997 says Séamus Ennis traced an origin to "The Bold Forester". When I looked for lyrics of the Bold Forester, I found a version of Child 73, Lord Thomas and Fair Ellender/Fair Eleanor/Fair Annet; and also a song in the DT, Robin Hood and the Ranger. Neither of those seems to me to be related to either She Moved through the Fair or Out of the Window. I really wanted to know about the S. Uist Gaelic song, mentioned in the same post. I had the luck recently to come across David Murphy, a traditional singer from Ireland who now lives Scotland, at a singing circle on Zoom. He says he knows versions of "The Bold Forester" but doesn't know of any related Gaelic song. And he doesn't think he was the Dave Murphy who wrote the 1997 comment. |
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04 Jul 21 - 09:00 AM (#4112269) Subject: RE: Origins: She Moves through the Fair From: Mrrzy Am I the only person who thought that the Sorrow never said, that got in the way of their wedding, was a botched abortion, that killed her? I always took Lack of kine to mean poverty. |