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19 Jan 06 - 06:25 AM (#1651452) Subject: TT Getaway 2006 From: John MacKenzie I gather from conversations had since with other attendees that it wasn't just my alcohol befuddled memory playing tricks on me, but that this years Getaway is to be a drink free zone. It has also been said that providing we don't 'Flaunt it' we can bring drink and nothing will be said. What does that mean exactly? Would it be possible to have chapter and verse on this one from Charlie Baum or Rita, or someone who's involved in the setting up of this new venue. Giok
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19 Jan 06 - 11:18 AM (#1651615) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Nancy King Someone suggested last year that I should conduct a workshop on covert Getaway drinking, as I have many years of experience... Ramblewood, where the Getaway has been held for the last 5 years, is the only camp we've ever used that did not have an official no-alcohol policy, and I understand even they did have such a policy written down somewhere, but chose not to enforce it. I expect the main reason for such policies is insurance -- if people get rowdy and do damage, they would have grounds for kicking us out. But over the 40-plus years we've been doing this, we've never had anyone get obnoxiously or dangerously drunk, and we've gotten fairly good at subterfuge. As this will be the first year in the new place (West River Camp, a Methodist facility), we'd like to make a reasonably good impression, and be careful not to be obvious. We don't know how much the camp staff will be around during the event (at Prince William Forest Park they were almost never on site, but rangers would show up unexpectedly on rare occasions; at Camp Letts there was always a staff member in the kitchen, but we almost never saw anyone else; at Ramblewood the kitchen staff was there all the time, but they didn't care). We'll see how it goes. Basically, the deal is, no obvious alcohol containers in view, and haul out the empties. Either disguise cans and bottles somehow to look innocuous (my friend Nan used to have funny plastic wrappers that looked like soft-drink labels to wrap around beer cans -- "Dr. Pecker" and suchlike -- but I haven't seen those in years) or decant the beverage into another container. I highly recommend insulated mugs with lids. At the Washington Folk Festival, where the no-alcohol policy is very strongly enforced, I have been known to pour my beer into an empty coca-cola can, and this has saved my butt on a few occasions, but is more trouble than it's worth for the Getaway. Perhaps others will have more suggestions. Oh, and do take care not to discard empties in the regular camp trash containers -- maintain a "classified trash" bag or whatever in your room and take it with you when you leave. I hope that answers your question and eases your mind. I for one am looking forward to the new place -- I visited it with Charlie and Rita and several others last year, and it's a very nice facility. All of the buildings are heated and in MUCH better repair than those at Ramblewood, rest rooms are conveniently located in every building, there are several excellent workshop spaces, and the site itself is flat (no more Camp Escher!) and lovely -- right on the Chesapeake Bay (well, West River, actually). It is true that half the beds are upper bunks, but hopefully enough of us are agile enough to deal with that so it won't be a problem. I expect we'll have a good time in any event. I can hardly wait! Nancy |
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19 Jan 06 - 11:56 AM (#1651627) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: MMario On nine months or so to go.... are we there yet? |
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19 Jan 06 - 06:39 PM (#1651724) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Bill D 9 months? I guess that means we are pregnant with anticipation! Thanks, Nancy, for the PDC (pretty darn clear) explanation of 'policy', such as it is. When we visited the new camp, we asked about alcohol, just to be clear...the exact quote was "we'd rather you didn't." Now, I don't know if that was a tacit admission that they know 'it happens anyway', but it was a clear statement that the Methodists do not sanction it. I doubt they conduct late night cabin inspections...*grin*...but we do NOT want to get on the wrong side of them. As time approaches, we will no doubt clarify this and refer to the clarification, so NO one arrives thinking they can have a bottle on the table at supper...we got pretty spoiled the last 5 years. One of the hardest things for those who MUST have their beer, etc...is having to "take out what you bring in"...that means, NO empties in camp trash bins... " A word to the wise..." |
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19 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM (#1651738) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Amos This argues on behalf of very small containers of something very strong, I guess...a constraint with which I have no problem. Easier than lugging stout around!! :D A |
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19 Jan 06 - 06:52 PM (#1651742) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Jeri I did this earlier, then Mudcat went away And now, 'the man' is near And so I face expurgation My breath betrays me, and it's clear My state's not caused by medication Give me a mint to hide the stench Or they'll show me to the highway But my booze is safe, for though I drink I do it slyly Shots, I've had a few But then again, too few to mention I just took what e'er was poured And tossed them back without contention I planned...I schemed, I plotted To get mellow, not get potted But my booze is safe, for when I drink I do it slyly For what is a man, what has he got If not some sense, then he gets caught If you're not Mills, DON'T DRINK VERMOUTH! You can drink whisky, beer and wine Don't get stupid, and you'll find If brains you use, you can drink booze Just do it slyly. (The other verses scream to be included. There's the one about 'spitt it out', about laughing and crying and having 'my fill'. They'll probably quiet down after a while but I may come back to them.) *See the thread about Paul Mills's new CD, or ignore the reference. |
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19 Jan 06 - 07:28 PM (#1651780) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Bill D "some do it openly, some on the sly, But we ALL are bloody well boozin'.." Thanks, Micca, for the nice little flask... |
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19 Jan 06 - 08:09 PM (#1651811) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Amos I'd win sometimes, and sometimes lose, I'd celebrate, or seek forgetting But through it all, I'd have my booze And never faltered in the getting I threw it back, I'd quaff or sip, In velvet bars or on the highway But never mind, I'm unconfined I did it slyly. (I love it Jeri!!!) A |
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19 Jan 06 - 10:53 PM (#1651959) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Joe Offer I'm sure I saw the 2006 Getaway dates posted somewhere, but now I can't find them. When's it going to be? I have a must-attend gathering on October 9 - please say it isn't on that weekend. -Joe- |
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19 Jan 06 - 11:03 PM (#1651968) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: wysiwyg I hope you all realize that the camp has some pretty serious insurance/liability issues to deal with, more than a strait-laced moral code to impose on people. Camp people are really COOL. They most likely just don't want to to be put in an awkward negligence-liability-type situaion if they openly condone something that ends up hurting someone they are legally responsible for keeping safe from harm. Get it? ~Susan |
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19 Jan 06 - 11:07 PM (#1651976) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Amos Fergeddaboudit, Joe; you aren't gonna duck outta TWO Getaways -- no way!!!!! A |
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19 Jan 06 - 11:08 PM (#1651979) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: GUEST,FSGW know-it-all The dates: November 3-5 (and on into the 6th), 2006 |
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19 Jan 06 - 11:15 PM (#1651989) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Jeri It's good we're going to have heat! I think I can still manage a top bunk. At the rate I'm expanding, no one may wish the bottom! |
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19 Jan 06 - 11:58 PM (#1652027) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Joe Offer Thank you very much, Most Noble Sir Know-It-All. I've got it on my calendar. I'll be there. -Joe- |
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20 Jan 06 - 12:03 PM (#1652065) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Mrs.Duck Can't imagine a folk event ever getting off the ground in the UK without a bar! |
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20 Jan 06 - 12:08 PM (#1652069) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Amos Yeah, Ms. D, but these folks are just raising the bar a little... :D A |
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20 Jan 06 - 02:06 PM (#1652118) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Bill D Problem is, in the Wash DC area, the places that DO allow a bar or 'open' privileges are way too expensive. There are so many rich corporations about that not many camps are willing to settle for the lower end market that we are in, and those which are tend to be State Parks and Boy Scout camps which have a NO alcohol rule....and yes, it is quite evident that the UK does have a bit more 'enlightened' attitude in general. Camp Ramblewood was as interesting exception.... |
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20 Jan 06 - 03:08 PM (#1652166) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: John MacKenzie Well I am in two minds about coming again, I just don't like the idea of having to 'hide' my bourbon or whatever. I'm not an inherently honest person, and I don't object to a bit of subterfuge, but I don't like feeling guilty, when I don't need to. Giok |
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20 Jan 06 - 03:10 PM (#1652168) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: wysiwyg Giok, you don't need to. ~S~ |
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20 Jan 06 - 03:30 PM (#1652191) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Nancy King Well, Giok, I hope you decide to make the scene -- we'd sure love to see you again. Yeah, it's nicer not to have to have to hide the bottles, but we all managed to deal with it for over 35 years before we went to Ramblewood, and even managed to have a pretty good time of it. I think other advantages of the new place will outweigh the need for discretion. Susan, I believe West River Camp is handicapped-accessible. Any chance you and the Mr. can join us this time? Nancy |
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20 Jan 06 - 03:54 PM (#1652210) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: skarpi Hey Giok , just meat me at the Keflavík airport like last time we´ll be there . just a about time to get the ticket . All thebest Skarpi Iceland, oh and I have to hide the Brennivín hahahaha , but I don´t feel guilty. |
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20 Jan 06 - 04:13 PM (#1652232) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Alaska Mike Once again, I must miss this fabulous weekend Getaway. November is when I travel out to the Aleutians for work. Any chance the getaway will return to an October setting in 2007? Missing you already, Mike |
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20 Jan 06 - 06:41 PM (#1652334) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Bill D we are sure HOPING to get back to an earlier date! Heat is nice, but Nov. is a bit awkward for some..(Rita & I are into crafts season heavily by that time.) Some of these camps have the best dates scheduled years in advance. (If we want to go back to Prince William Forest park, limit the attendance to about 135, and have no heat, and have to find cooks, I suppose we could ...*grin*) It's a case of comfort time price booze ....choose any two. |
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20 Jan 06 - 09:33 PM (#1652474) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Dani I found a place that sells these great 'lady' flasks with vintage contact paper on them. Really cute. Shall I bring a passel? Dani (all for rules, but..... ) |
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21 Jan 06 - 10:55 AM (#1652782) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: gnu Two passels might suffice, knowing this crowd. |
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21 Jan 06 - 12:04 PM (#1652826) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Mrs.Duck Sadly with or without alcohol we will not be getting to the Getaway again. Last year was a one off since I had just been made redundant. If I manage to get a new job I won't be able to take time off (as a teacher can only have school vacations). If Idon't get work then we won't be able to afford to come - oh well maybe when I retire in 2022! |
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21 Jan 06 - 01:16 PM (#1652878) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: ranger1 Well, I was pretty good at being sneaky in college. Since I had spent a lot of time in Europe with a legal drinking age of 18, I wasn't about to go back to being a teetotaler for another three years. It's amazing what one can do with a bit of creativity... |
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21 Jan 06 - 03:00 PM (#1652954) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Charmion I find that alcohol is the least important part of having a good time at the Getaway, and I'll bet I'm not alone. I may not be able to go this year. Edmund and I are talking about a trip to England, and if we do that I'll have to do a passel of overtime if I'm to make the Getaway as well. Edmund gets much more leave than I do, so he will be able to go -- unless work gets immovably in the way of course. |
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21 Jan 06 - 03:35 PM (#1652981) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Micca WoW!! Charmion, if a trip to England is on the cards let us know, you have somewhere to stay in London if you need it!! |
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21 Jan 06 - 06:05 PM (#1653088) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Nancy King Charmion, I hope it works out so you can come to the Getaway, though a trip to England does sound great. And I agree with you that alcohol is the least important part of having a good time at the Getaway. The point is the music and the people, and if alcohol eases that, fine (as long as we're discreet...). But we are NOT encouraging folks to get drunk. I'm a bit concerned that some folks who previously have been happy with beer may end up guzzling the hard stuff simply because it's easier to carry around. As Ranger1 notes, creativity is all. Now, having said that, I gotta make sure I have a couple of empty grape juice bottles to decant my wine into... Nancy |
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22 Jan 06 - 09:40 AM (#1653407) Subject: RE: Get Away With Bootlegging 2006 From: Severn Is our annual pilgrimage turning into "Decanter Buried Tales"? If we designate one of the workshops "Faith IN Our Father's Living Still", will they leave us alone, assuming we're supposedly performing hymns? Or maybe ones called "Reports From The Bottlefront", or "In Flask Company" might prove decent covers. ....Maybe some other "workshop" names will come up, too, but I'll be there wet or dry, intoxicated by music and friendship and try to deal the best I can with the existing climate. (Hell, easy for a Maryland boy to say....) ....Meanwhile, I have an LP from 1972 by an official student choral group from the U. of Illinois that I found once in a library sale, "The American Music Group Vol.2-Temperance Music" containing music taken from various temperance magazines from 1878-1915. No booklet of words with it, mind you, but it contains 24 selections with titles like "Tell Mother I'll Vote Dry", "Lillie Of The Snow-Storm", "Wine Is A Mocker", "Bibles And Beer" and "The Dead March Of The Saloon", and I'll be willing to run off tapes for however many might want to lead or participate in a workshop on the subject. More than enough stuff to augment your existing supply of hymns, country weepers and Sally Army ditties with their attendant parodies, and plenty of ammunition for an hour's workshop. PM me if interested, and I'll run some off and send them out at no cost for any who would wish to exploit the situation rather than merely lament it. Severn ...Hey! Maybe even a 12-Step Workshop--"Songs Of Bill (ab)Staines"? |
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22 Jan 06 - 02:28 PM (#1653638) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Mrs.Duck Brilliant Charmion and Edmund en route to England - let us know when and we'll be ready! |
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22 Jan 06 - 04:54 PM (#1653744) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: GUEST,Dani Sign me up, Severn! I think a workshop on the evils of drink would be wonderful fun. Dani |
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22 Jan 06 - 05:09 PM (#1653755) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Rasener He he This sort of in an indirect way brings back memories of the time when I was living in Holland. I had to go to a 2 week crash course on Dutch. It was at a Nunnery somewhere in the countryside. Can't remember anymore. Anyway, at the end of the lessons for the first day, everybody was dying for an alcoholic drink. The nun in charge of the kitchen, opened the fridge and gave us bottles of beer. We were a bit gobsmacked, but it brought big smiles to our faces. |
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22 Jan 06 - 05:23 PM (#1653768) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Dan Schatz A temperance workshop - I like it! Dan Schatz |
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22 Jan 06 - 05:54 PM (#1653793) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: SINSULL No Ducks! No Charmion! No Mike! GRRRRRRR. Still counting the days though. Giok, we'll figure out a way for you to drink openly subtly...as subtle as a drunken Scot and his sheep can be anyway. Which brings up nother point. Where do these people stand on bestiality? |
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22 Jan 06 - 06:12 PM (#1653807) Subject: RE: TotalTeaparty-Getaway 2006 From: Severn We'd need a better singer than myself to volunteer to lead the workshop, though I'd gladly contribute, and a go-ahead from The Powers-That-Be. Interested parties can PM me snail mail addresses for their tapes. I'd probably be able to cough up a few Country gems for those interested, like "Little Bennie", "The Drunken Driver", "She's More To be Pitied Than Scolded", "Goodbye To Booze" and the like as well. We'll toss this one around a bit.... Any Program Chairman-types lurking out there, perchance? |
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22 Jan 06 - 06:30 PM (#1653824) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Bill D "Giok, we'll figure out a way for you to drink openly subtly" an IV bottle, perhaps, with a branch tube near the mouth? |
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22 Jan 06 - 07:00 PM (#1653850) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Amos We're coming, we're coming, our brave little band! On the Right side of Temp'rance, we now take our stand! We won't chew tobacco, because we do think, That people who use it are likely to drink!! Away, away with rum, By Gum, with rum, By Gum, with rum, By Gum! Away, away with rum, By Gum, the song of the Temperance Unioooon! Well, I could squeak through without the whiskey, but I'd prefer not. A |
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22 Jan 06 - 11:03 PM (#1653939) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Bill D oh, yes, Amos...I'm not sure we could live with you totally sober for 3 days...*big grin* (mellow...that's the key!) |
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23 Jan 06 - 03:21 AM (#1653991) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: John MacKenzie Amos and sober in the same sentence, that's new. Of course we all know he hides drink in his coffee☺☻ Giok |
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23 Jan 06 - 08:00 AM (#1654089) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: MuddleC -I thought a folk event on the Isle of Man during TT race week was too good to believe in, -you yanks are so advanced in so many ways, 120 types of cookie, Chevrolets that are not euroboxes in disguise, a proper constitution, air-conditioning, Harley-Davidsons and steaks the size of a small english village with the thickness of tony blair & 'GW' combined , even the right to bear arms....but sneakin around with beer in brown wrappers ... at a 'folk' event aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhh! |
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23 Jan 06 - 10:49 AM (#1654166) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Snuffy Are you dry? Are you dry? Or will you go to hell, where you will fry? We are the little group Who will make the brewers droop When they hear our battle cry - Are you dry? |
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23 Jan 06 - 04:26 PM (#1654307) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Peace You can do anything you want as long as you don't tell anybody. |
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23 Jan 06 - 04:29 PM (#1654310) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Charmion ... Lips that touch liquor will never touch mine! I know that's the last line of the chorus of a long Victorian ballad, but that's all I know. My father was born into a family that had been White Ribbon for three generations; his great-grandfather took the pledge around 1845, and his grandmother was the head of the Women's Christian Temperance Union for the Province of Quebec. Talk about a thankless task! |
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11 May 06 - 01:16 PM (#1738140) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Ebbie Totally (Tee) off the subject - but I haven't seen it addressed yet: Where is the nearest major airport to West River Camp? I've been in the Bay area but it's a longish piece of water; besides it was years ago. Time to think about logistics... |
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11 May 06 - 01:53 PM (#1738181) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Charlie Baum Airports: It's 37 miles to BWI airport (Baltimore) and 35.5 to DCA (Washington National). You'll probably get better prices to BWI, but it's pretty close to a toss-up for distance. However, on a Friday afternoon, the roads from BWI to the camp will make for a MUCH easier commute than from DCA, since you won't have to cross any bridges from Virginia. --Charlie Baum |
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11 May 06 - 02:09 PM (#1738199) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Ebbie Thanks, Charlie. If a person(s) comes to the region a day or two early which town might be the best - meaning central/rich in choice/accessible - one to lodge in? |
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11 May 06 - 02:18 PM (#1738210) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Ferrara This is going to get NO sympathy from anyone, and probably no agreement from anyone, but ... minimize drinking if you can is my opinion. (Easy for me to say -- I have a 1 drink maximum these days! Sigh....) Anyway if you can't do without, EAT YOUR EMPTIES!!!! We will need to have zero tolerance for beer cans, brandy bottles etc in the trash receptacles. It is awfully hard to find a good camp and IMO if they are really serious about no alcohol there's just a chance we might be personae non gratae in future if they notice it. |
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11 May 06 - 02:19 PM (#1738213) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: gnu Any clones out there care to put the dates in the thread title? |
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11 May 06 - 02:22 PM (#1738215) Subject: RE: TT Getaway 2006 From: Ferrara Maybe I should add that I am the designated self-appointed worrier-and-fretter again for this year's Getaway. Last year when Charlie Baum introduced me in the Sunday concert he said that with me on the committee, none of the other members had to worry about a thing -- I did enough worrying for all of us. |
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11 May 06 - 02:35 PM (#1738227) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: Charlie Baum If you're coming early/staying late, there are lots of Mudcatters in the Washington, DC area. That said, DCA, BWI, and IAD (Dulles) all serve the DC area, and which airport is closest/best depends on whom you're visiting. --Charlie Baum |
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11 May 06 - 02:52 PM (#1738242) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: kendall My family had one reunion at the Baptist church in Machias. Many of the relatives smoked and dropped their butts wherever they chose. We were not welcome after that. A word to the wise... You can ride a good horse to death etc. |
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11 May 06 - 02:55 PM (#1738246) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: gnu Wow... youse guys is fast... thanks. |
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11 May 06 - 03:00 PM (#1738250) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: wysiwyg Can y'alls FSGWers start the permathread soon so the conversation can get focused more on the logistics and less on the drinking? This thread is (of course) a good one to link people to for the booze news, but if every question on directions renews the booze blooz it will be awful crabby PR! :~) And the spirited talk has pretty much all been said. ~Susan |
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11 May 06 - 03:02 PM (#1738252) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: beardedbruce "And the spirited talk has pretty much all been said." What, no more ghost stories? |
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12 May 06 - 11:51 AM (#1739071) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: SINSULL Rita, I am available to help worry. Give me some topics. Maybe I can organize a booze crew to ensure that no empties appear in the trash. SINS |
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12 May 06 - 01:15 PM (#1739136) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: Micca And Remember the 11th Commandment and keep it |
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12 May 06 - 01:19 PM (#1739138) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: John MacKenzie Thou shalt not get caught! G. |
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12 May 06 - 01:29 PM (#1739154) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: Bill D "There is Methodist in our madness!" |
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28 Jul 07 - 02:45 PM (#2113481) Subject: RE: TT Getaway Nov. 3-6, 2006 From: Bill D refresh for easy reading about the camp and the 'rules'... |