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04 Mar 06 - 04:42 PM (#1685213) Subject: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Georgiansilver I have this memory of someone playing the Captain of the Enterprise before Shatner played Kirk. Is it my imagination or can someone enlighten me please. Best wishes, Mike. |
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04 Mar 06 - 04:47 PM (#1685220) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace History here, GS. |
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04 Mar 06 - 04:48 PM (#1685222) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Purple Foxx Captain Christopher Pike played by Jeffrey Hunter in the unbroadcast pilot episode. |
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04 Mar 06 - 05:05 PM (#1685227) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin The latest series, Enterprise, had a Captain Archer who was captain on a starship Enterprise over a century or so before Kirk's time. More than you ever wanted to know about the Star Trek universe. |
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04 Mar 06 - 06:13 PM (#1685268) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Georgiansilver Thanks folks, that about satisfies my idle curiosity of Star Trek history. Best wishes, Mike. |
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04 Mar 06 - 06:14 PM (#1685270) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Time to close this thread or someone will be complaining about it. |
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04 Mar 06 - 06:18 PM (#1685273) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond "The latest series, Enterprise," ... was post Roddenberry crap! |
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04 Mar 06 - 06:57 PM (#1685289) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Yes, once Gene Rodedenberry was gone you could forget about good Star Trek writing. The best by far was the lengthy Next Generation series with Patrick Stewart in the 80's. |
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04 Mar 06 - 08:18 PM (#1685299) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond " Next Generation series with Patrick Stewart in the 80's" Of which there might be 1 or MAAYBEE 2 full season worth of original, well written scripts, that mostly realized their potential.... Which still leaves about 5 years of crap.... |
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05 Mar 06 - 08:09 AM (#1685516) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Liz the Squeak William Shatner trivia time.... For 'Jason' in the 'Halloween' movies, they used a William Shatner 'Captain Kirk' mask with slightly bigger eyeholes cut. Shatner never looked better. LTS |
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05 Mar 06 - 08:38 AM (#1685538) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: kendall I've never taken to the latter day Star Trek programs. A Klingon in a star ship? No way! |
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05 Mar 06 - 09:11 AM (#1685557) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Liz the Squeak Oh but Kendall... it's worth it for that bottom of his...... Mind you, I can see how you wouldn't find that alluring. Just lie back and think of Uhururururu. LTS |
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05 Mar 06 - 09:16 AM (#1685561) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: jacqui.c Liz - time to get back on the meds....... |
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05 Mar 06 - 09:21 AM (#1685565) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi Kendall, what you just said. **** Here's some Memorable Quotes from Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079945/quotes Captain James T. Kirk: Evaluation, Mr. Spock. Commander Spock: Fascinating. -- Commander Spock: It's life, Captain, but not life as we know it. -- [Kirk apologizes for assuming command over Captain Decker] Captain James T. Kirk: I'm sorry, Will. Commander Willard Decker: No, Admiral. I don't think you're sorry. Not one damned bit. I remember when you recommended me for this command. You told me how envious you were and how much you hoped you'd find a way to get a starship command again. Well, sir, it looks like you found a way. -- [a transporter accident has just occurred] Transporter chief: Enterprise, what we got back didn't live long... fortunately. -snip- I like Spock over Captain Kirk, but I admit that I don't really know Spock's title/rank. What was it originally? and didn't he eventually get a much needed promotion? And while I'm at it, did anyone ever write about Spock having a romantic relationship? If so, what type of woman would he prefer? |
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05 Mar 06 - 12:06 PM (#1685657) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Liz the Squeak Doesn't Spock actually get married in one episode? I seem to remember Captain Kirk had to fight him for the girl. LTS |
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05 Mar 06 - 12:06 PM (#1685658) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk I think his first rank was first lieutenant...or it may have been science officer. Yes, he had one or two romantic situations, but I don't recall with exactly who. Vulcans go through some sort of weird mating thing every seven years or something like that. He would prefer a serious woman to a Britney Spears type... |
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05 Mar 06 - 12:46 PM (#1685697) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Spock was a "lieutenant commander" when Kirk promoted him to 1st Officer, and Science Officer... soon after that he was promoted to Commander.. after the V'Ger crisis he was promoted to Captain "mating thing every seven years" Pon farr... |
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05 Mar 06 - 12:55 PM (#1685706) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi Thanks, ClintonHammond. I appreciate that info. Not that I really needed to know this, since its just some more trivia stuff cluttering up my mind. But IMO, a cluttered mind is better than an empty mind. |
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05 Mar 06 - 01:22 PM (#1685722) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond There are those that call me "The God Emperor Of Geeks" and I wear it like a scar of honour :-) |
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05 Mar 06 - 01:36 PM (#1685730) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Don Firth All manifestations of Star Trek had their good shows and their stinkers. Unfortunately, I can't remember much in the way of good shows in the "Enterprise" prequel. The cast was good. Scott Bakula is a very versatile actor, but the scripts were mediocre. He didn't have much to work with. Good potential unrealized. One episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation was one of the finest pieces of genuine science fiction to ever hit the small screen (or large screen, for that matter). The episode's title was "The Measure of a Man" and it dealt with a computer scientist from Star Fleet arriving on the Enterprise to requisition Data. He planned to dismantle him, dump his memory core, and try to find out (literally) what makes him tick. His object was to use Data as a prototype in order to construct a whole army of Datas. There were several real issues tackled here. Data declined. He was especially concerned about the memory dump. Assured that his memories of past experiences would be reloaded, he feared that, although he would still have the factual memories, he would lose their "ineffable quality." He was then told that he had no choice in the matter. He was only a machine—the property of Star Fleet. This raised several fairly juicy questions. Was Data a life form, or just a machine? Does a sentient machine have civil rights? Is Data conscious, or does he (it) just appear to be? If he is, how can you be sure? If he isn't how can you really be sure of that? How do we know that anyone else is conscious? What is the nature of consciousness? Another question was the desirability of building a race of "disposable people" who would do the dirty, dangerous jobs that "biological" humans didn't want to do. Picard to Guinan, when she used the term "disposable people": "You're talking about slavery!" Guinan, looking meaningfully innocent: "Am I?" This show was a doozey! What makes this an especially good piece of science fiction? Considering the advances currently being made in robotics and artificial intelligence, these are very real questions that may—will—confront us sometime in the not too far distant future. It wouldn't hurt to give some thought to them before we actually encounter them. Don Firth |
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05 Mar 06 - 03:32 PM (#1685817) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk That was what was great about Star Trek. It was a show that took on social issues in depth and proposed a society NOT based on money! That was totally revolutionary, not to mention subversive, in our society. Such ideas need to be examined, and Rodenberry was willing to examine them. Clinton, your God Emperor Of Geeks status is awe-inspiring! Thank you for those factoids from the archives. Azizi, you say that "a cluttered mind is better than an empty mind"???????????? WHOA! That's funny, because the whole point of most Eastern spiritual disciplines states the exact opposite. To empty the cluttered mind and bring it to a condition of stillness is indispensible if one is to achieve enlightenment (or anything close to it). A human being's greatest enemy is their busy, cluttered, debating, chattering mind. It keeps them lost in confusion and illusion, bouncing around between pleasure and pain, caught up in fleeting desires. That's the premise of Vedanta (Hinduism) and Buddhism, among others. But I gather that by "empty" mind you meant an ignorant one? (which is not the objective of stilling the mind) |
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05 Mar 06 - 03:53 PM (#1685828) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond " proposed a society NOT based on money!" It also has no religion... |
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05 Mar 06 - 03:57 PM (#1685832) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Yes, that's right. No organized religion anyway. Another good point of Star Trek. |
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05 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM (#1685845) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Star Trek was the first big TV show to include people of different races and NOT make them look like second-class idiots or bumbling fools. |
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05 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM (#1685847) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond No... they had Shatner filling that role :-P Heh |
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05 Mar 06 - 04:19 PM (#1685850) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Kaleea Vulcan "mysticism" (TOS), the beliefs of Chakotay in the teachings of his ancestors (VGER), The Rules of Acquisition so that one could get into the Feringi version of Heaven (DS9), Klingons even believed in an afterlife! Kirk referred to the one who created us all. There are many "religions" perhaps more appropriately thought of as philosophies or belief systems in the Star Trek universe-but also the pervading belief that it was not right to impose one's beliefs upon others. |
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05 Mar 06 - 04:21 PM (#1685853) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi By empty, I meant a person who does not think [for him or her self]even though she or he has the capacity to think. In this sense, people have empty minds if they accept whatever anyone else tells them to accept without "giving it a moment's thought". They are empty headed because they are too lazy to think. Of course, one's mind could be cluttered with American Idol soap opera gossip. But it seems to me that this world would be a better place if people "messed" with ideas more, turning them inside out and up and down, stretching ideas, thought about them outside their separate boxes, even if in the process those boxes became battered and torn. What then would be done is to create a better, more flexible, more expansive box or merge it with another box that still is intact. In doing so, people's minds might become "cluttered". And in my opinion, that clutter would be [or maybe I should say "could be"] a good thing. I should also say that I believe that organized clutter is better than disorganized clutter. For me, that's a worthy goal. |
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05 Mar 06 - 04:39 PM (#1685880) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Nigel Parsons Little Hawk: "No organized religion"? Well, no enforced religion, but Spock's body got a good send off into space to the sound of "Amazing Grace" supposedly played on the bagpipes by Scotty. Another episode of the original series had a planet of "sun-worshippers", and it was only in the last few lines that our intrepid star travellers realised that they had been referring to the Son of God. As to the original question, asking for an earlier Captain of the Enterprise. In Star Trek IV: The Journey Home (the one with the whales) we saw the USS Enterprise of the Twentieth century. We could probably go earlier, but not without going outside of what is considered canonical CHEERS Nigel |
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05 Mar 06 - 04:52 PM (#1685895) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond Having a burial ritual doesn't necessitate having religion.... "had a planet of "sun-worshippers" Episode #43 "Bread and Circuses" |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:01 PM (#1685900) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi After reading Little Hawk's comments about emptiness, the African concept of "coolness" came to my mind. I've tried to find an Internet article about this concept, but have had no success yet. I'm sure there must be cyberspace articles about this. I'm probably putting in the wrong key words... But here are two excerpts from the article "Stripping The Emperor: The Africanist Presence In American Concert Dance" by Brenda Dixon Gottschild [page 93 & page 96 in Shiela Walker, editor "African Roots/American Cultures; Africa In The Creation In The Americas {Rowman & Littlefield,2001}. Although this article is speaking about dance, {as indicated in the article}, the concept of "cool" is all-embracing. "In a broad sense, the Aficanist aethetic can be termed an asthetic of contrariety, while the European perspective seks to remove conflict through efficient problem solving. The Africanist asethetic embraces difference and dissonance, rahter than erasing or resolving it. Contrariety is expressed in African dilemma stories that pose a question rather than offer a solution; in music or vocal work that sounds cacophonous or gratting to the untrained ear; and in a dance that seems unsophisticated to eyes trained in a different aesthetic. ..."Enbracing the conflict" is embedded in the "aesthetic of cool" in which "coolness" results from the juxtaposition of detachment and intensity. Those opposites would be difficult to fuse in European academic aesthetics. But there is room for their pairing in Africanist aesthetics"... ...the "aesthtics of cool" is all-embracing. It is an attitude {in the sense that African Americans use the word "attitude"} that combines composure with visability...It is seen in the asymmetrical walk of African American males, which shows an attitude of carelessness cultivated with calculated asethetic clarity. It is in the unemotional, detached, mask-like face of the drummer or dance whose body and energy may be working fast, hard, and hot, but whose face remains cool. The aloofness, sangfroid, and detachment of some styles of European academic dance are completely different from this aesthetic of the cool. The European attitude suggests centeredness, control, linearity, directness; the Africanist mode suggests asymmeticality {that plays off the center}, looseness {implying slexibility and citality}, and indirectness of approach. "Hot", it's opposite, is a necessary component of the Africanist concept of "cool". It is the embracint of these opposites, and in their high-affect juxtposition, that the aesthetic of the cool exists." end of quote. It just occurs to me why I like the Star Trek character of Spock- it seems that he has mastered the art {skill} of being "unemotional, detached". While his "body and energy [is] working fast, hard, and hot, [his] face remains cool." |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:04 PM (#1685903) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Purple Foxx PHEW!You really know your stuff Clinton. Now,can you remind me of TOS episode Where they encounter the Romulans for the first time in many years. That's the one with the scene in the no religion Enterprise's Chapel... |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:06 PM (#1685905) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi Sorry-"haste makes waste", "Preview is your friend" and all that... Here's one correction from my last post that I want to make: "looseness {implying flexibility and vitality}" -- All other typos are gonna have to fend for themselves. |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:09 PM (#1685910) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: kendall I've always thought that DeForrest Kelly and Wm. Shatner went to the same school of overacting. |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:30 PM (#1685930) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Don't start with the Shatner stuff. Gets people all riled and upset for no reason. |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:51 PM (#1685944) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Clinton Hammond "Where they encounter the Romulans for the first time in many years." Balance Of Terror.... It has a scene in the no religion Enterprise's -NONDENOMINATIONAL- Chapel... |
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05 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM (#1685946) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace It was a place for the coven to meet. Today, it's lots more sophisticated than that. |
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05 Mar 06 - 07:42 PM (#1686017) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: GUEST Was there ever an episode in which Capt'n Kirk had kidney stones removed while on the Enterprise? |
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05 Mar 06 - 07:50 PM (#1686023) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: GUEST,clogger For my two penne'th Rhodenberry was forced to sell "treck" as a "cowboys in space" and had a series of morality/immorality plays alternating each week. As a point of (nerdish) fact they did have money in the first episode. The best part of the whole show for me was the humour! The development of "Worf" was brilliant (his line of "Captain I protest! I am not a merry man" whilst playing Will Scarlet to Picards Robin Hood, is one of my favourites. If you want good scripts then what about DS9's return to "the trouble with Tribbles" cutting back to a 20 year old story to weave a new one through it, whilst using the old footage........ OK I'll take the meds and go to bed now |
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05 Mar 06 - 07:54 PM (#1686028) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: GUEST,Cloggeer Didn't Shatner get the job because he could scream?....... or is it the meds working.......... Matron... |
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05 Mar 06 - 09:59 PM (#1686100) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Don Firth "'Wagon Train' to the stars" was Gene Roddenberry's catch-phrase for grabbing the network exec's imagination (or lack thereof). Roddenberry himself was thinking more in terms of a character like Horatio Hornblower, moved forward in time a few centuries, but "Wagon Train" with Ward Bond was a high-rated oater back in the early Sixties. He figure that might get their attention, which it did. But when they viewed the first pilot, the one with Jeffery Hunter as Captain Christopher Pike, they considered the show "much too intellectual" for their viewers, and they balked at the idea of a woman ("Number One"—Majel Barrett) as second in command of a starship (or a woman in a command position on the bridge at all!). "And get rid of the guy with the ears! He looks too much like the Devil! That might offend some of our religious viewers!" The fact that they actually asked for a second pilot was unprecedented. When the time came to film it, Hunter was no longer available, so Captain James Tiberius Kirk was bunged in. Majel Barrett got demoted to McCoy's nurse, but "the guy with the ears" wound up second in command. Roddenberry convinced them that they needed an alien-looking person on the bridge to remind the viewers that they were in space and the series often involved interaction with civilizations on other planets. This one, they bought. Roddenberry had used William Shatner in a previous series he wrote, called "The Lieutenant," so he did have some idea of what he was getting. . . . [Gleaned from The World of Star Trek by David Gerrold, who also wrote the script for "The Trouble with Tribbles."] Don Firth |
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05 Mar 06 - 10:29 PM (#1686123) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Shatner made a good captain, quite appropriate for the first series. In fact, he and Spock were what really made that show work. The actor that was truly odd, in my opinion, was De Forest Kelly as Doctor McCoy...but he did provide comic relief in his many tiffs with Spock, so the triumvirate of Kirk/Spock/McCoy worked rather well in spite of the fact that McCoy was so odd and hyper-reactive to various things (like cold logic). Yes, Star Trek gave some lip service to traditional religion in a very generalized sense, but it was non-denominational religion that appeared to encompass the many rich cultural traditions of Earth's past cultures and meld them harmoniously with some new cultural traditions from non-Earthian members of the Federation. I call that a very progressive attitude to religion, and one that would be wise to practice in any reasonably enlightened society. Again, Star Trek was depicting a society far more egalitarian and democratic than our own, far more just, far more reasonable. These are things I liked about the show. GUEST - Ah, the legendary kidney stone episode! Well, that one was never released. A copy of it is rumored to still be resting in some vault in Hollywood. I bet it would fetch at least a million on Ebay if you could ever get it in your hot little hands. :-D |
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05 Mar 06 - 10:30 PM (#1686125) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace So, was the recent kidney stone that was auctioned off a fake? |
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05 Mar 06 - 10:40 PM (#1686133) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk No. It was real. 100% real. So were his screams. |
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05 Mar 06 - 10:41 PM (#1686134) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Peace Whew! Good to hear. |
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06 Mar 06 - 02:05 AM (#1686211) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Purple Foxx NONDENOMINATIONAL does not equal nonreligious. |
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06 Mar 06 - 12:26 PM (#1686490) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk No, but it's nicer... ;-P |
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06 Mar 06 - 03:48 PM (#1686634) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Mrrzy I have to tell you this story. My twins' father just died, he was a big Star Trek fan. At the funeral one of the brothers complained when there wasn't anybody named Jim around that we could say He's dead, Jim, to. |
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06 Mar 06 - 03:50 PM (#1686635) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk That is a dreadful shame... |
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07 Mar 06 - 07:02 AM (#1687108) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: GUEST beam me up Mr Scott |
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07 Mar 06 - 08:11 AM (#1687166) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi And speaking of Star Trek {okay this wasn't before Kirk} but, did someone mention Uhuru? For information on the only regular [as opposed to irregular]Black member of the cast, see Here's some excerpts from that page: "Uhura joined the crew of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 in 2266. She served, with the rank of Lieutenant, as Chief Communications Officer under the command of Captain James T. Kirk".. The role of Uhuru was portrayed by Nichelle Nichols. Uhuru, a KiSwahili word meaning "freedom" was the character's last name. Uhuru Race Human Gender Female Hair color Black Eye color Brown Home planet Earth Affiliation Starfleet Current rank Commander Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhura -snip- I like the designation race "Human" . Of course it's true now. But hopefully in the future that designation will be the norm. But that would mean that no valuation-positive or negative-is put on differences in skin color and other physical features among humans. Unfortunately, we aren't there yet. **** As an aside, although Nichelle Nichols has served as a positive role model for many Black and non-Black [American and non-American] females, the name "Uhuru" is rarely if ever given as a personal name. The "u" beginning and "u" ending sealed that fate. This is definitely not a sound that African Americans perfer. I think it's because "u" sounds like "oo"}and that sound is too closely associated with the "moo" sound cows make. And in the United States, it is definitely an insult to call a woman a cow. Plus u=ucky. The only "American" "u" name for a female I can think of is "Ursala" And the only saving grace for that name is that it ends with an "ah" sound. For some reason, contemporary {post 1960s}African Americans [if not other Americans] seem to really like that sound, particularly at the end of female names. I remember in the 1970s when some company marketed a Black doll named "Tamu" {KiSwahili for "sweetness"}. My prediction that this doll wouldn't be a big hit proven correct. Part of the reason why I figured that this doll wouldn't sell well was the "u" ending for her name. But that doll had another big problem. In a time when afro {natural} hairstyles were becoming fashionable for Black women, this Tamu doll had an afro. I have consistently sported an afro hair style since 1971. But this is definitely NOT a little girl's hairstyle. You would think that the developers and folks who market dolls for Black girls {and any race girls} would know that a huge part of playing with dolls is combing and styling the dolls' hair. Therefore, most dolls that sell have long hair. Duh! |
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07 Mar 06 - 08:13 AM (#1687170) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Azizi I think that someone needs to crown me the Queen of thread drift. I will proudly wear that crown on my afro styled hair. LOL!! |
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07 Mar 06 - 08:17 AM (#1687177) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Purple Foxx Your reaffirmation of the often overlooked Truism that there is only one Human race deserves applause Azizi. In this case I think it justifies thread drift. |
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07 Mar 06 - 10:51 AM (#1687328) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk You are definitely the queen of thread drift, Azizi. ;-D And you are so right that there is only one Human race. |
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07 Mar 06 - 08:34 PM (#1687880) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin If/when we meet extraterrestrial intelligent creatures, that designation will become more important. Right now we're just kids in a segregated sandbox. |
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06 Feb 07 - 03:07 PM (#1959391) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin And until that time we have... Taysiders in Space. Scottish Star Treek. |
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06 Feb 07 - 05:36 PM (#1959613) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Och, AYYYYYYE!!!! Space like ye've nae seen it before! |
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06 Feb 07 - 06:06 PM (#1959650) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin And in Spanish... Vamos Tribbles. Poor Esulu! Nice ending though. |
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06 Feb 07 - 07:23 PM (#1959730) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk My Gawwwd. Aside from the Klingon, those were the worst attempts at imitating a Spanish or Mexican accent that I have ever heard in my life! Stupefyingly bad, in fact. You cannot speak conversational Spanish less convincingly than that. El Capitano needs to slim down! |
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06 Feb 07 - 07:44 PM (#1959752) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin It was SUPPOSED to be bad Español. It was from MADTV. |
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06 Feb 07 - 08:10 PM (#1959779) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Well, they certainly succeeded. ;-) |
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06 Feb 07 - 08:58 PM (#1959808) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin "You ken fine ye're gaggin' fer it, ay?" "Ye've nae chance o' gettin' yer hole. Ye're an android! Ye've cack all knob!" "Ah g'wan! Dinnae talk pish!" |
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06 Feb 07 - 10:11 PM (#1959849) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Little Hawk Har! Har! Not even Shatner can surpass that sort of material. It deserves its own thread, that link. |
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06 Feb 07 - 10:23 PM (#1959854) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Cluin OOp! That should be "Ye've heehaw chance o' gettin' yer hole" |
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15 Nov 12 - 09:49 PM (#3437198) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Joe Offer I'm always a little behind in life, so I'm just now watching the Star Trek Enterprise series. My stepson Josh is a purist, and he doesn't see much good in this series (or anything produced after Star Trek Voyager. But hey, I like this series, and I'm disappointed it ran for only four seasons. Isn't it time for a new Star Trek series? -Joe- |
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15 Nov 12 - 10:18 PM (#3437207) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Don Firth Hey, I'm up for it!! Don Firth |
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16 Nov 12 - 01:17 AM (#3437264) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Henry Krinkle More politically correct. Less violent. =(:-( )) |
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16 Nov 12 - 04:08 AM (#3437298) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: GUEST,Blandiver I watched Star Trek VI (The Undiscovered Country) the other night - and it was quite possibly the worst thing I'd ever seen. There was even a KITCHEN on board The Enterprise - and a real crappy kitchen set it was too - complete with a guy MASHING POTATOES in a large shiny receptacle, itself vaporised by phaser fire leaving mash (& masher) standing stiffly on the work-surface. I mean, do people still mash potatoes in this day & age? Let alone in Stardate 9521.6? Haven't these guys heard of Replicators? Or even Smash? |
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16 Nov 12 - 04:21 AM (#3437303) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Dave MacKenzie Believe it or not, some people prefer the taste of freshly prepared food preferably from fresh ingredients. And do they still make Smash? Personally, I prefer the taste of real potatoes. |
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16 Nov 12 - 04:39 AM (#3437305) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Rob Naylor I mashed some last night....with a hand-masher. It's the only way! |
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16 Nov 12 - 06:25 AM (#3437344) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: GUEST,Blandiver Alomng with bread, we've banned spuds entirely from our kitchen, though might be tempted whilst out & about. There's good mash to be had at your local Havester (The Jubilee in Cleveleys for us) and I'm usually tempted by a few chips from The Chinese Buffet in Preston. Baked spuds are great from the barrows outside The Harris in Preston - sloppy beans 'n' coleslaw! Apart from anything else, domestic spud preparation is too time consuming and / or laborious for the rewards, though a few wee newies boiled on a spring afternoon in a Norfolk vicarage can be just the thing... but all a very long way from the Starship Enterprise, huh? Here's a thing - maybe they replicate the potatoes (any variety you like - old or new) and then mash 'em... Or maybe Captain Kirk grows them in his holodeck allotment? And do they still make Smash? Just checked Google - looks like you can, though I haven't seen it advertised for a while (for all you UK nostalgia fiends THIS is still LOL funny). I used to work with a chap who made Smash up in his mug in the tea break on the shopfloor instead of a cuppa. He mixed it up with a cube of OXO and ate it with a tea spoon. Just the thing for a freezing November day... |
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17 Nov 12 - 02:00 PM (#3437872) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Don Firth Regarding retro stuff like mashing real potatoes, Capt. Jean-Luc Picard, in an age when things like Kindles, Nooks, and such would be rife and far more sophisticated, had a substantial library of real books, which he preferred. Don Firth P. S. I can understand this. For example, I would love to get my hands on a Baroque guitar. This would be going "retro" by three to four-hundred years. Baroque guitars have some interesting characteristics that modern guitars don't have. |
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18 Nov 12 - 02:16 PM (#3438282) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Nigel Parsons Picard was hardly the first to appreciate real books. In Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Spock gives Kirk a birthday present of an antique hardback copy of A Tale of Two Cities. The same book (not necessarily physically the same) was also reference in a Deep Space 9 episode. |
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18 Nov 12 - 03:20 PM (#3438294) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Bill D I believe Harlan Ellison wrote a couple of the first episodes, but quit when he realized how the plots were going to go. After the 3rd or 4th big head with silver hair appearing in space, I agreed with Ellison. ah...right.. "Ellison has repeatedly criticized how Star Trek creator and producer Gene Roddenberry (and others) rewrote his original script for the 1967 episode "The City on the Edge of Forever"." |
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18 Nov 12 - 05:15 PM (#3438330) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Don Firth Harlan Ellison was a helluva good writer, but his script for "The City on the Edge of Forever" included a subplot about drug dealing aboard the Enterprise. Roddenberry had several objections to this, including the idea that things like drug addiction would be a thing of the past in the Star Trek universe, especially among Star Fleet personnel. And the subplot had damned little to do with the general thrust of the episode. Ellison stomped and screamed and spit and pissed and moaned, but Roddenberry wasn't having it, and I think for a couple of very good reasons. I heard Ellison speak at a Norwescon some years back, then ran into him in the book shop afterwards and chatted with him for a few moments. He was a cranky, surly little bugger and very full of himself. Don Firth |
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18 Nov 12 - 10:31 PM (#3438455) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Mrrzy About Trek and religion, remember when the proto-vulcan thought Picard was "The Picard" - god - and couldn't figure out if they should start killing people to please Him? And Picard had that great diatribe about not letting them fall into the dark ages of religious belief... you don't get that one in reruns a lot. |
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19 Nov 12 - 10:13 AM (#3438640) Subject: RE: BS: Star Trek Captain before Kirk From: Nigel Parsons you don't get that one in reruns a lot. And in the first run on BBC we didn't get the episode "The High Ground" because there was discussion of successful rebellions, and they quoted the "Irish Unification" in 2024. We got it in the re-runs though (by then it was available on video) |