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09 May 06 - 02:37 PM (#1736306) Subject: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Big Al Whittle what's the difference? |
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09 May 06 - 02:38 PM (#1736310) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: number 6 State = Marshall City/town = sheriff correct me if I'm wrong sIx |
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09 May 06 - 02:41 PM (#1736314) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Rapparee In the US, the sheriff is usually the law enforcer for the county; towns and cities have their own police force. The marshal could be the term for the town police, especially in small towns, but this title is nearly obsolete -- and many small towns now get their police protection from either the sheriff's office or the state police. Usually this title is now reserved for members of the US Marshals Service. |
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09 May 06 - 02:53 PM (#1736331) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Amos They both derive from terminology of the Middle Ages -- marechal, in France, and sheriff, in England. There is no cut and dried defintiion of each term, as it depends on the local town and county government's evolution. In general, Rapaire (as usual) has pinned the tail on the donkey. A |
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09 May 06 - 03:04 PM (#1736348) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Rapparee Now figure out the differences between BATF, FBI, the Secret Service, the US Marshals, the Tribal Police, the Texas Rangers and the Texas Highway Patrol, DEA, the railroad police, the shore patrol, the military police, the air police, BIA police, and the police authority of Customs, the Coast Guard, campus cops, and about a million other police agencies. Then we can take a flier at various non-police security services.... |
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09 May 06 - 03:04 PM (#1736350) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: jeffp In Maryland, law enforcement is usually handled by Police departments, while delivery of subpoenas, etc. is the function of the Sheriff's department. |
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09 May 06 - 03:07 PM (#1736354) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Rapparee Dang! I forget the fire investigators!! |
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09 May 06 - 03:11 PM (#1736361) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: catspaw49 I shot the Sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy.........I stuffed a mango up his ass instead....... Spaw |
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09 May 06 - 03:11 PM (#1736362) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: gnu The Marshall helps Miss Kitty defend her land from being taken over by the guys from the bad ranch up over the hill in the next valley. The Sheriff helps the railroad and the government get Miss Kitty's land for the public good. |
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09 May 06 - 03:14 PM (#1736366) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: The Shambles The guns are bigger. |
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09 May 06 - 03:36 PM (#1736392) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Ebbie I don't often dream of Mudcatters but in a dream last night, Amos, I dreamt that you were there and you kept using Latin words and phrases. I asked you how long you had studied it and had you taken it in college and high school. You said that you "came late to it" and then said you had studied it for seven years. Would you amplify on that? :) |
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09 May 06 - 03:37 PM (#1736394) Subject: RE: BS: Marshals and sheriffs From: Joe Offer In the U.S., the U.S. Marshals Service is part of the U.S. Department of Justice, which is headed by the U.S. Attorney General. The marshals serve primarily as officers of the court, and one marshal is appointed for each U.S. Court District. The marshal has a team of deputy marshals who work as court bailiffs and court security officers, serve court warrants to apprehend lawbreakers, and perform other court-directed duties. The marshals are at the receiving end of court orders, and they are responsible for executing court orders. Other U.S. law enforcement agencies are more in the business of proposing court action. Local marshals are rare in most U.S. jurisdictions, but there are a few. Generally, they are officers of the court. In general, sheriffs are officers of county governments in the U.S. - but here in California, sheriff's officers usually also serve as officers of the county courts, working as bailiffs and serving warrants. In most California counties, the sheriff is also the chief correctional officer, operating the county jail. Every state has a different system of courts and law enforcement and corrections, and many local jurisdictions within states have differences. As a federal investigator doing background investigations for security clearances and sensitive federal jobs, I had to get criminal and other records from a wide variety of state and local jurisdictions, and had to pretend to understand them all. It was an interesting challenge. After 25 years, I got so I could "fake it" pretty well. -Joe- |
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09 May 06 - 04:15 PM (#1736432) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: M.Ted On thing that no one has mentioned is that Federal Marshalls are often really big guys. I once received a traffic ticket, unfairly, I thought, so I checked the "I plead not guilty and request a trial" box. A couple months later, after I had forgotten the whole thing, slightly after dark, I pulled into my long, country driveway, only to find myself bathed in searchlights and being addressed through a bullhorn. I had not read my ticket carefully, and neglected to remit bond equal to the the fine(about $50, at the time), and was under arrest. Two very large individuals approached, and explained why I had been singled out for the extremely cinematic honors. They explained that there was a new court, especially set up for minor traffic infractions, with a new judge, who had hoped for a much more important appointment. They were friendly guys, and we had them in for coffee, and chatted about the business of Marshalling. As Joe alludes to above, it involves giving things to people who don't really want them, and often requires taking them places that they don't really want to go. Size, it develops, is an advantage in these situations. |
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09 May 06 - 04:46 PM (#1736468) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: number 6 Marshall Matt Dillon was a big guy come to think of it. sIx |
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09 May 06 - 05:22 PM (#1736498) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Rabbi-Sol New York City had a special corps of Marshalls to collect debts and perform evictions. These jobs were given out as political patronage to the party faithful. They would keep a percentage of everything they collected. SOL ZELLER |
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09 May 06 - 07:50 PM (#1736645) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Uncle_DaveO Let me indulge in a pet peeve and pedantism here: The law enforcement officer of whom we speak ALWAYS has only one L; it's spelled "marshal", with one L. "Marshall", so spelled, is a man's given name, or a family name. Yeah, I guess there could be a "Marshal Marshall", if a member of that clan went into law enforcement. As to the other officer, it's "sheriff", with ONE R and two Fs. It refers back to the medieval usage, of the Reeve, a high officer representing the King's peace in a given area. The Reeve for a shire was the "shire Reeve", which became our word "sheriff". Dave Oesterreich |
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09 May 06 - 10:07 PM (#1736737) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: number 6 Thanks for the correction Dave. sIx |
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09 May 06 - 10:12 PM (#1736740) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Amos Marshal (also spelled Marshall) is a word used in several official titles of various branches of society. The word derives from Old Germanic marah "horse" and scalc "servant", and originally meant "stable keeper". As marshals became betrusted members of the courts of Middle Ages Europe, the title grew in reputation. During the last few centuries, it has been used for the most elevated offices. The spelling of the name ("Marshall") is often confused with the spelling of the title ("Marshal"). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshal # Sheriff is both a political and a legal office held under English common law, Scots law or American common law, or the person who holds such office. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff # The chief administrative and judicial officer of a shire. He collected taxes and forwarded them on to the Exchequer, and was also responsible for making sure that the King's table was well stocked. www.renaissancemagazine.com/glossary/glossaryq-s.html # The royal officer of a shire managing its judicial and financial affairs. www.domesdaybook.co.uk/glossary.html |
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09 May 06 - 10:30 PM (#1736759) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: number 6 Thank you for presenting the variant of the word marshal Amos. sIx |
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10 May 06 - 03:04 AM (#1736917) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: dianavan Marshal is a derivative of the word marshmallow. The big guys in the grey suits and the funny hats with stars on their chests. The ones who have bellys like marshmallows hanging over their belts and they strut. Thats a Marshal. Sheriff, on the other hand, comes from the Arabic name Sherif. Sherif was a Marshall who stuttered and so he called himself Sherif-f-f-f-f. That was abbreviated to Sheriff and so the name stuck in some parts. Other parts kept the name of Marshal for those guys who like to wear stars and strut. Which ones ride the motorcycles? Thats the sheriff right? The Marshall has the fast car, right? Actually I think that if you are busted, the Sheriff keeps it but the Marshall gives it back. Oh, I'm so confused! |
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10 May 06 - 04:20 AM (#1736956) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Joe Offer Is that like Omar Sheriff, Diana? And what TV series did Penny Marshall star in? I remember it was two women working in a brewery in Milwaukee, but I don't recall the costar or the name of the series.... But I believe that law enforcement marshals always spell it "marshal," and I think DaveO for setting the record straight. -Joe Offer- |
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10 May 06 - 03:32 PM (#1737396) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: GUEST,weelittle drummer what always gets me confused is the Wyatt Earp story. He was a deputy Marshall, but the town sherrif Johnny Behan didn't get on with him Then Wyatt stood for election after the OK Corral business and he didn't get elected. At one stage he was a Deputy Marshall, being hunted by the Sherrif. Complicated.... |
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10 May 06 - 04:14 PM (#1737424) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Stilly River Sage Isn't Sherrif a brand of gelatin in Canada? I think Shatner did commercials for them. You're all forgetting about Constables. They're part of that municipal/county mix down here. They are elected law enforcement officials who do a variety of things, and who, like the Fort Worth Marshals, serve papers on people (divorce papers, etc.) I think Constable districts are the same as the Justice of the Peace districts. Here in Texas, anyway. SRS |
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10 May 06 - 04:32 PM (#1737433) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: number 6 Yes SRS ... you are correct, Sherff is a brand of gelatin here in Canada ... as whether Shatner did commercials for them ... I dunno, if he did, I would have immediately erased it from my memory. sIx |
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10 May 06 - 05:20 PM (#1737466) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Janie Yer all wrong. Marshal(l)s lead parades. Nearly always, their first names are 'Grand'. Janie |
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11 May 06 - 07:33 AM (#1737896) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: The Fooles Troupe Sheriffs exist in the Australian Legal System, a hangover from English Law. |
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11 May 06 - 11:42 AM (#1738065) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Stilly River Sage I grew up close enough to the border to watch Canadian and US television all my life, and in college (Western WA U in Bellingham) that was the only tv that came in well on antenna, so I remember seeing Canadian commercials. By the time I was in college Star Trek had already been and gone, and maybe Shatner was looking for a little support on the side. Perhaps Little Hawk will bring his encyclopedic knowlege of the man into this thread and give us an answer. SRS |
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11 May 06 - 01:24 PM (#1738149) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Becca72 Joe, that would be Laverne & Shirley co-starring Cindy Williams...with 2 L's... |
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11 May 06 - 01:29 PM (#1738159) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: catspaw49 Actually Penny took one of her L's as she didn't have enough for all of Laverne's clothes. Spaw |
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12 May 06 - 08:24 AM (#1738913) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: The Fooles Troupe Those two certainly raised 'L'!!! |
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12 May 06 - 08:21 PM (#1739459) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Kaleea 2 of my great great uncles were U. S. Marshalls, except that way back when they were referred to as "Peace Officers" in them thar parts. They were appointed. Now, when I lived in Maricopa County, Arizona (Phoenix), Sheriff Joe Arpaio was reelected time after time. |
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13 May 06 - 05:17 PM (#1740130) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Uncle_DaveO There ARE no "US Marshalls". Nor were there. They are "US Marshals"! Dave Oesterreich |
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13 May 06 - 05:22 PM (#1740136) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: Uncle_DaveO Nor are there any US Roberts or US Freds. Dave Oesterreich |
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13 May 06 - 05:32 PM (#1740145) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: McGrath of Harlow So in Westerns who is top dog? Or is that purely dependent on who is the bigger star? Can a sheriff arrest a marshall or is it the other way round? Or is it one way when they are in town and the other when they are out of town? |
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13 May 06 - 05:59 PM (#1740161) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: bobad "There ARE no "US Marshalls" But there was the US Marshall Islands so that is "technically" wrong. |
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14 May 06 - 02:34 AM (#1740359) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: mrdux during the last half of the 19th century, the municipal police chief in certain western u.s. jurisdictions -- including kansas -- was often known as the city or town marshal. wyatt earp was a deputy city marshal for wichita and assistant city marshal for dodge city. around the same time, the chief law enforcement officer of the western territories was the territorial marshal. wyatt's brother virgil was assistant u.s. marshal for arizaona the territory of based in tombstone. virgil later became city marshal of tombstone, where he deputized brother wyatt for the purposes of the meeting at the o.k. corral. wyatt was briefly a deputy u.s marshal in early 1882. my guess is that matt dillon was the city marshal of dodge city. michael |
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14 May 06 - 02:38 AM (#1740361) Subject: RE: BS: Marshalls and sherriffs From: mrdux sorry about that. it should have read: "assistant u.s. marshal for arizona territory, based in tombstone." |