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25 May 06 - 01:14 PM (#1747372) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Bookings for the temporary campsite are now being taken during Whitby Folk Week. The site is at the Whitby Community College and is being run by Moor & Coast. Rates are Campers/Caravans Pitch fee £10 per night Tents Pitch fee £8 per night plus Camping fee £2 per night per person Dogs allowed on site under supervision @ £1 pdpn Minimum booking of 3 nights. For booking form and more info email moorcoast@yahoo.com |
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26 May 06 - 09:51 AM (#1747848) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST What facilities do you provide??? |
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27 May 06 - 08:16 AM (#1748416) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Carol Cos £14 per night for 3 nights minimum i.e. £42 seems a bit steep unless you have showers etc. As my mother used to sy any dicsount for pensioners? |
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27 May 06 - 09:13 AM (#1748436) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Facilities include hot showers, indoor toilets and wash room, elsan point, water, 24 hour stewarding and a flat short grassed playing field on the largest site closest to the town centre. There are no other campsites within a mile of the town centre that will take tents. Most of the fee will go to College funds, the rest goes to the Moor & Coast Festival as a fund raiser... Both are "not for profit" organisations... |
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27 May 06 - 09:14 AM (#1748437) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Carol Sounds OK |
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27 May 06 - 09:23 AM (#1748444) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Tyke If you are going for the full week or part of then camping with a season ticket could be the better option. That is if you are camping on your own if you are sharing a pitch then you would be halving or more the cost of the pitch. But then add to that cost the cost of concert tickets and or any Day tickets you might purchase Click here for the Whitby festival booking form. |
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27 May 06 - 12:38 PM (#1748533) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Carol Sounds complicated as well, what if you usualy only go in singarounds?? |
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27 May 06 - 04:50 PM (#1748701) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: growler When is it? |
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27 May 06 - 09:46 PM (#1748823) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: McGrath of Harlow The freedom a season ticket gives you is worth it, and there's always going to be some dances concerts or stuff like that you are likely to feel like dropping in on. (Just click that link Tyke gave two posts above yours, Growler.) |
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28 May 06 - 11:48 AM (#1749024) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C I agree that a season ticket with camping is good value if you are here to enjoy the whole of the organised festival... A season ticket for Whitby Folk Week, with camping, now costs £136 for each adult for the full week... two people £272... three £408 and so on... A pitch on the Temporary Campsite for a caravan or camper costs £80 for the week (tent £64)plus a camping fee of £16 per person for the week.... that is 8 nights camping.... Friday 18th Aug to Saturday 26th Aug... Cost for one £96... (tent £80) Cost for two sharing £112...(tent £96) The temporary campsite is intended for the fringe festival and to help alleviate the accute shortage of pitches available for tents in Whitby... |
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29 May 06 - 08:36 AM (#1749349) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Tyke What the M&C makes sense it's up to you to decide just what is best for you. The Money as stated is to go to supporting the Moor and Coast Festival should you camp and the Whitby College. Should you go down the Whitby Folk Week Season ticket rout then it will go to support the Whitby Folk Week and in the past another local school (probably true again this year). Three things are certain one you will have a great time in Whitby secondly all rooms; B&B, cottages, flats and commercial campsites will be full already. Most people book them this year for next. And finally any one running any of the above is going to have to put up with a certain amount of complaining and winging. No matter how much time effort they put in. |
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29 May 06 - 10:05 AM (#1749403) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C We still have pitches available... but not many... |
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30 May 06 - 05:26 AM (#1749892) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST Thank you for trying to help... |
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30 May 06 - 06:58 AM (#1749922) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: jojofolkagogo Just WHERE is the Whitby Community College ??? How far is it from, say, the BRIDGE (you know, the one that swings!) WALKING that is ??? Answers on a mudcat postit note appreciated Jo-Jo |
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30 May 06 - 08:35 AM (#1749974) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Splott Man Half a mile vertically! |
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30 May 06 - 09:57 AM (#1750023) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: gnomad From the bridge, follow the west-side harbour wall upriver to Scoresby monument (Tap&Spile opposite), strike inland passing the foot of Pannet Park to small roundabout, where there are direction signs. Total for bridge to college is a bit over 0.5 miles (I would estimate) allow 15 mins if going uphill and not too unfit. A bit more if the pavements are busy. |
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30 May 06 - 10:19 AM (#1750037) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C This is the college find us site... http://www.whitbycc.co.uk/findus.htm |
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30 May 06 - 02:12 PM (#1750165) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: jojofolkagogo thanks M&C had a look at the map !!! But where is the River ?? and I see a Car Park, is that where the Camping is gonna be ??? and is it LEVEL? I have a tiny weeny small diddy Camper Van can I book a space for that ? - and how do I do that ?? (I cant pay over the internet - dont have credit cards !) Jo- Jo |
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30 May 06 - 04:29 PM (#1750223) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Joules Camping facilities at the college are as good if not better than most camp sights I have been on, and it is a subject that is close to my armpits at the minute having just spent four days at Chester Folk Festival with a major lack of washing facilities. Joking apart if you are just doing the fringe festival it is perfect, no taxi fares etc and just eneogh time to eat a bag on the way back. |
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30 May 06 - 04:30 PM (#1750224) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Joules Sorry I meant a bag of chips |
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31 May 06 - 06:41 AM (#1750519) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C If you look at this link for the college, down the page is a link to a smaller scale map... which will show you the way to the river... http://www.whitbycc.co.uk/findus.htm |
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01 Jun 06 - 11:39 AM (#1751031) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Hope the link is ok!!! The college site map is not to scale and the car parks are not as big as they appear to be on there... |
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02 Jun 06 - 07:10 AM (#1751575) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,Davy.. Are you catering on site??? or is there any other catering provided??? |
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03 Jun 06 - 07:55 AM (#1752113) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST Sorry Davy the college will not allow us to cater on site or bring others on either... |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:00 AM (#1752674) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C There are very few pitches available for tents within a mile of Whitby Town centre. This temporary campsite is aimed at providing campers, with tents, the oppotunity to pitch in town during the Whitby Folk Festival... To date most bookings have been for caravans and campervans... |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:59 AM (#1752690) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Mo the caller For a map that goes further paste http://www.discoveryorkshirecoast.com/whitby_welcome.asp and click local maps (on the R) I booked a B&B in april, with some help from the Scarborough tourist people, but lots they said had vacancies were booked. |
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05 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM (#1753351) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST Thanks... |
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06 Jun 06 - 06:20 AM (#1753979) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C email moorcoast@yahoo.com for more info... |
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07 Jun 06 - 06:22 AM (#1754801) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,Mary Great to see dogs are allowed.... |
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07 Jun 06 - 11:44 AM (#1755024) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: jojofolkagogo OH NO IT's NOT Dogs are just "crap Machines" ....in one end, out the other - just as long as you pick it up after ...... I dont like dogs (woof) so dont bring them near me PLEASE see you there !!! Jo-Jo |
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07 Jun 06 - 11:54 AM (#1755029) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: nutty Don't blame the dogs for what is none of their fault. Agreed .. it is unpleasant to step in dog dirt but it is also unpleasant to step in vomit which is often (in fact - regularly) left behind by drunken campers. |
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07 Jun 06 - 02:28 PM (#1755109) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: vectis I wish I had known about this site before I booked in elsewhere. Never mind there's always next year. |
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12 Jun 06 - 12:28 PM (#1758080) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C REFRESH |
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13 Jun 06 - 02:13 AM (#1758635) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Terry K "Don't blame the dogs for what is none of their fault" Interesting thought, but completely wrong. It is the dogs that do it, not the owners. And if the owners were there WITHOUT their dogs, it wouldn't happen. Point proven. QED. |
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13 Jun 06 - 04:16 PM (#1759126) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Tyke I think the point is that it's cheaper per night on the Moor and Coast Whitby Week Temporary Campsite, per night, per tent, per Folkie than it would be to put your Cat in a Cattery per night (reportedly £15 per Cat per Night. I have not got a clue how much more it costs to put a dog in Kennels.) I don't know if the cheaper price is because those Cats and Dogs would help to keep the Seagull Shiite of the tents or not. As for dogs they are fine if the owner is a responsible dog owner. Dogs are not allowed on the beach on the west side they are allowed on the beaches to the East of Whitby including Robin Hoods Bay and to the East of Sandsend up to the Whitby Beach. |
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19 Jun 06 - 07:37 PM (#1764102) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C We just think it's great that you can take your dog on holiday with you... Many campsites will not allow dogs on, especially folk festival campsites... |
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20 Jun 06 - 02:10 AM (#1764341) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST Which is quite a lot like smokers thinking it's great they can smoke in public places - you need to know that not everyone likes or is comfortable with your dog around them. |
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20 Jun 06 - 09:10 AM (#1764566) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST surely it depends on whether dog owner is responsible & keeps their dog under control / cleans up after them .... or not? I quite like the smoking analogy but surely, to be accurate... ...a dog owner who lets their dog run loose to come & disturb you and doesn't clean up their poo is like a smoker blowing smoke in your face or smoking close by in an enclosed space, and leaving their ash & tab ends littering the place afterwards. Both of which can cause annoyance and potentially health problems. ... a dog owener who keeps their dog on a leash and cleans up after them is like a smoker who only smokes out of doors and downwind and who clears up their tab ends... neither of which offends in the least, surely? |
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21 Jun 06 - 12:51 AM (#1765267) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Terry K And in both cases my experience has been that your first type of dog owner is in the majority. Again I stress, if those people were there without their dogs there would be no problem, but how can you tell one type of owner from another? And what about the vast majority who fall between both of your definitions? In the smoker analogy, everybody shares the smoke to a greater or lesser extent, depending on whether the smoker is considerate or not. Same with dogs. My problem is that most dog owners are so besotted with their animals that they overlook the fact that others are not so. For me it's not so much being "disturbed" in the sense of the dog being a bit annoying - it's deeper than that. I'm part of a silent very large number who are positively uncomfortable with any animals (unfortunately allergic to cats for example) and to be told "he won't bite" when confronted - as if the dog was doing me a favour by not biting me (!) - is no consolation at all. Which brings a thought to mind - how often do we hear that said? The fact that dog owners are forever saying "he won't bite" must be an indication that a dog biting you is a distinct possibility in the normal course of events, but that this particular one won't actually bite you on this occasion - just a thought, with tongue only partially in cheek. No surprise then that I won't be at the festival campsite - I've found a delightful little site only a short bike ride away. NOw don't start me on the dogs versus cyclists issue ........... cheers, Terry |
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21 Jun 06 - 06:22 AM (#1765386) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Carol I thought this thread was about camping at Whitby, not dogs although I must admit admit that we go to quite a few small 5 van sites and the ones that are top of the list have coarse fishing on site, a singers folk club near and no kids and no dogs - heaven! |
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22 Jun 06 - 08:16 AM (#1766418) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Back to the Camping... Bookings for the temporary campsite are now being taken during Whitby Folk Week. The site is at the Whitby Community College, close to the town centre, and is being run by Moor & Coast Festival. Open Friday 18th till Saturday 26th August. Rates are Campers/Caravans Pitch fee £10 per night plus Camping fee £2 per night per person. Tents Pitch fee £8 per night plus Camping fee £2 per night per person Dogs allowed on site under supervision @ £1 pdpn Minimum booking of 3 nights. For booking form and more info email moorcoast@yahoo.com /01947 820408 |
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22 Jun 06 - 02:52 PM (#1766814) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,JO-Jo Hope that is "STRICT" supervision of dogs !!! Jo-Jo see yall there ! |
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23 Jun 06 - 05:09 AM (#1767293) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Terry K Now you come to mention dogs ............ |
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24 Jun 06 - 08:40 AM (#1768002) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST The official wording from the booking information states: "Dogs are allowed on site but must be on a leash at all times, under control and cleaned up after. They must not be left unattended at any time during the day or night." Will this stop the talk of dogs now... Although other pets will be considered...!!! |
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24 Jun 06 - 08:48 AM (#1768009) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Mrs.Duck Can my pet llama, Lionel come? http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php |
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24 Jun 06 - 12:33 PM (#1768096) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Les from Hull Well, the lark is my morning a llama! |
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26 Jun 06 - 04:52 AM (#1769160) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Bookings still available... email moorcoast@yahoo.com for more info... |
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27 Jun 06 - 04:58 AM (#1769993) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST refresh... |
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27 Jun 06 - 07:15 AM (#1770037) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: jojofolkagogo ONLY a folkie could come up with that "morning A Llama" pun !!!! but a nice one Les from Hull Yes, lets get back to the camping ... its a level playing field I hear ... Jo-Jo |
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27 Jun 06 - 07:46 AM (#1770053) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST a level playing field but they keep moving the goal posts... |
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27 Jun 06 - 09:55 AM (#1770162) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Jeri It's been a whole year since we've been around To stake out our tents upon the hard ground But we don't ever sleep cuz there's singing and beer When the folkies go camping at Whitby We will sing down the moon, the dogs will sing too And we'll dance 'round the hazards of fresh doggie poo But with leather leashes, there's lots we could do When the folkies go camping at Whitby Oops...forgot to log out to post that. |
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28 Jun 06 - 03:29 PM (#1771383) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST Don't start with the dogs again please... |
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29 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM (#1772214) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST |
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03 Jul 06 - 09:09 AM (#1774680) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,reminder Back to the Camping... Bookings for the temporary campsite are now being taken during Whitby Folk Week. The site is at the Whitby Community College, close to the town centre, and is being run by Moor & Coast Festival. Open Friday 18th till Saturday 26th August. Rates are Campers/Caravans Pitch fee £10 per night plus Camping fee £2 per night per person. Tents Pitch fee £8 per night plus Camping fee £2 per night per person Dogs allowed on site under supervision @ £1 pdpn Minimum booking of 3 nights. For booking form and more info email moorcoast@yahoo.com /01947 820408 |
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09 Jul 06 - 07:49 PM (#1779837) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,curious It seems this subject is now moribund (nobody's interested) which I find rather strange as I was in Whitby over the weekend and a totally unreliable source informed me that the Bunny Girls Old Girls Association had somehow heard that pets were welcome and have made a block application to the honourable Glen for the whole week! Could this be the rebirth of Fluffy Morris? Derek Elliott would certainly be interested in offering advise and coaching, having starred in the original production in the early eighties (that's 1980s despite what a lot of people think!) |
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12 Jul 06 - 07:15 AM (#1781681) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C We cannot confirm or deny such mutterings... |
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13 Jul 06 - 05:36 AM (#1782461) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,dancer still pitches available??? |
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14 Jul 06 - 08:28 AM (#1783308) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C yes a few are still available... |
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16 Jul 06 - 12:25 PM (#1784894) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST refresh... |
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17 Jul 06 - 03:40 AM (#1785357) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Paul from Hull Only LES could come up with that truly atrocious "morning A Llama" pun Seriously, Community College site is well worth the brass. Overall its a better site than Stakesby School which is (well, I assume it still is) the Festival Official site. |
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17 Jul 06 - 11:24 AM (#1785564) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Les from Hull Good God, Paul - you still alive? |
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17 Jul 06 - 05:05 PM (#1785817) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Paul from Hull Hmmm, thats debateable, & if so, its not what many would call 'living'... *G* |
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21 Jul 06 - 09:49 AM (#1789070) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,jOhn "Dogs allowed , 1 pound per night" how much is it for hamsters? |
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22 Jul 06 - 04:05 AM (#1789706) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,curious Regarding hamsters: I think it depends whether you have them boiled or fried or done in breadcrumbs or batter! I thought Lord Glen Rogers said there was no food on site? If there is do they do hedgehog pie and badger steaks? |
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25 Jul 06 - 01:57 PM (#1792886) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C I think seagull stew is in season... bit salty tho!!! |
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26 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM (#1794002) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,tazzymash Know it's a bit late but we've been trying to phone to get a booking for the last two weeks and only just found this site... Are there still pitches available for tents? |
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27 Jul 06 - 02:51 AM (#1794294) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Rasener Seagull Stew is in season all year isn't it M&C Is Seagull Dropping Suet Pudding on the menu? |
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27 Jul 06 - 08:27 AM (#1794463) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Paul from Hull Only from the 'SchoolDinnerLadies' at the Stakesby School site...*G* |
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01 Aug 06 - 09:32 AM (#1798690) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Pitches are still available on site... Sorry for delays with postage, Warwick and Saddleworth Folk Festivals took us away from Whitby for a while... Back home now and catching up with the paperwork... |
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03 Aug 06 - 05:04 AM (#1800356) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST refresh |
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05 Aug 06 - 09:25 AM (#1802069) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Good to see more tents are booking with us... Remember this is the best campsite in town... |
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06 Aug 06 - 09:42 AM (#1802649) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST . |
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08 Aug 06 - 10:11 AM (#1804367) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Soldier boy It's also by far the most greedy, rip off, egomaniac, selfish, opportunist, expensive, campsite in town!! |
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08 Aug 06 - 10:49 AM (#1804387) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Mrs.Duck Now don't hold back, Chris! |
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08 Aug 06 - 12:16 PM (#1804477) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: ossonflags Im staying at Robin Hoods bay ,me. |
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08 Aug 06 - 12:34 PM (#1804496) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: Rasener Lets hope Soldier Boy doesn't turn up with his rifle. :-) The thing is Soldier Boy, if its too expensive for you, then find somewhere else. Don't criticise the organisers. They are providing a valuable service. I personally think your comments are unacceptable and best kept to yourself. You old whinger :-) |
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10 Aug 06 - 07:14 AM (#1806058) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,M&C Copy from "Need Camping during Whitby Folk Week" The Temporary Campsite (run by Moor & Coast Festival)is no more expensive that other sites in the area. We provide a campsite with good clean indoor facilities on a great location. We had the oppotunity to use this site after talking to Malc (Whitby Folk Week) and we thought it would be a great idea to have it as a campsite. Many people camped at Stoup Cross but that no longer is an option. There is a critical shortage of pitches available for tents, we are trying to provide an alternative... Just to put the record straight, Moor & Coast Festival is a not for profit organisation. Funds raised from this will be put back into bringing music, song, dance and arts into Whitby and the rural area... No one takes a cut!!! Moor & Coast |
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10 Aug 06 - 08:08 AM (#1806086) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: ossonflags Is any one camping at Robin Hoods Bay? |
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11 Aug 06 - 07:04 PM (#1807710) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,Iain The festival's Stakesby School site is cheaper than the M&C one at the Community College - but only available if you have a season ticket for the festival. I think that Stakesby is a better location, though it is a bit smaller each year. The comparison is a bit daft, though. Chances are that both will be full, particularly as there is almost nowhere else you can pitch a tent. There is going to be a questionnaire about camping for the festival this year - it'd be great if everyone gave their opinions. |
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20 Aug 06 - 08:16 PM (#1814720) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST . |
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21 Aug 06 - 04:57 AM (#1814914) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: John J Just got back from Whitby last night, we stayed at the community college site (Moor & Coast). A great site with good facilities and decent folks running the show. We'll be back there next year. My thanks to those running the site. John |
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17 Aug 13 - 01:00 PM (#3550200) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,Wil I'm looking to travel from London (last minute idea!) to the festival & don't want to be ripped off - I'm very generous & nice with strangers (new friends!) & want to stay/camp somewhere nice (preferabl with showers & no b*llsh*t). If I have to buy a tent on route, I'm happy to share (or share yours lol) I'm also happy to give anyone a lift! I'm an actor/writer driving alone & want to connect with other lone travellers. I'm very open & love sharing! contact me: filmfund800 at gmail dot com Ta :) |
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17 Aug 13 - 01:02 PM (#3550201) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST,Wil I'm looking to travel from London (last minute idea!) to the festival & don't want to be ripped off - I'm very generous & nice with strangers (new friends!) & want to stay/camp somewhere nice (preferabl with showers & no b*llsh*t). If I have to buy a tent on route, I'm happy to share (or share yours lol) I'm also happy to give anyone a lift! I'm an actor/writer driving alone & want to connect with other lone travellers. I'm very open & love sharing! contact me: filmfund800 at gmail dot com Ta :) |
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18 Aug 13 - 02:06 AM (#3550323) Subject: RE: Camping at Whitby Folk Week From: GUEST Wil you sound like a bit of a perv, you're probably not but your comment certainly reads like it. |