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31 Jul 06 - 07:02 PM (#1798254) Subject: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Why Should Feds Track College Students? July 31, 2006 Does the federal government need to know whether you aced Aristotelian ethics but had to repeat introductory biology? Does it need to know your family's financial profile, how much aid you received and whether you took off a semester to help out at home? The Secretary of Education's Commission on the Future of Higher Education thinks so.... Read the rest of the article at The Washington Post. The same article is also posted at Gettysburg College’s web site. |
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31 Jul 06 - 08:36 PM (#1798306) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: McGrath of Harlow But of course when they flog the data base off for marketing purposes it'll be dead useful for targetting possible customers. Or manipulating potential voters, which if course is really just another aspect of marketing. All part of the rush towards the first genuinely totalitarian system there has ever been. The old tyrants might have dreamed of having this kind of control, but the new ones will have it at their fingertips, and won't even need to be nasty, except on occasion. |
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31 Jul 06 - 08:50 PM (#1798315) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST The time to be concerned about this kind of data gathering Amos, you rocket scientist you, was about 30 years ago. The feds have had access to all that information ever since the financial aid system was computerized. Of course, this is just the sort of non-story about technological bogeymen that plays so well to the Mudcat luddite population, like McGrath. Do you guys stay up late at night cooking up this shit? Why don't you do something useful, and go work on a fundraiser for a scholarship fund for poor and working class kids locked out of college, instead of doing this "sky is falling, sky is falling" shit in an obscure internet forum? If your pussy assed white liberal self hadn't rolled over to protect your nice house and troubles of your own 20 years ago, the country wouldn't be in the mess it finds itself in. You can keep trying to blame the rest the world, but truth is, you are just as guilty as the dumb asses who vote Republican are for selling out. |
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31 Jul 06 - 10:26 PM (#1798366) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Paul from Hull Hmmm...where did all THAT spring from? |
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31 Jul 06 - 11:03 PM (#1798389) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST,Old Guy All that info is available to anybody for a price. So why not the feds? Is your personal info safer in the hands of a credit card company. |
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31 Jul 06 - 11:35 PM (#1798406) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Both Guest and Old Guy are wandering around in the brightly colored weeds. Lost and unsure of what the hell they are looking at, by the sound of it. Neither one of you has spoken to the issue offered, which is current, not thirty years out of date, and is far different from the information tracking done by credit card companies. A |
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01 Aug 06 - 12:02 AM (#1798424) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST,Old Guy Banks, The DMV, the power company etc all sell or trade your personal info, other companys gahter it up and offer it for sale to any crook or con artist that has the geetus to buy it. Try this out http://www.zabasearch.com http://ssn-finder.com/ |
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01 Aug 06 - 12:07 AM (#1798428) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Lovely site, Old Guy, although your link is malformed and I had to fix it. I assume you have sent in your $34.95?? A |
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01 Aug 06 - 12:14 AM (#1798430) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST Want proof Amos? Look at a FAFSA application, and see what information the federal government has when someone applies for financial aid. They also have rights to access your student records to measure academic progress, and use that right all the time. So go bark at the moon. |
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01 Aug 06 - 12:22 AM (#1798431) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Well, what Ms Will is talking about, as you can see if you think about it for a minute, is a whole different order of magnitude of meddling. A |
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01 Aug 06 - 12:36 AM (#1798435) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST Oh right, a "national database" of information that is already collected by the federal government, and accessible to the institutions, the states, and the feds. Bogey, bogey, bogey boo! The IRS has one of those databases too, Amos. And then there are the banking records that the Patriot Act, voted for by all your Democratic Party Congressional representatives, save a handful, already allows them to access, along with your phone records, your library records, whatever the hell records they want. So the US government has become a whole lot more totalitarian. This is news? I don't think so. But you should have thought of that, like I said, about 30 years ago, not just since the other guys won the election. |
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01 Aug 06 - 01:37 AM (#1798449) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Barry Finn What did you do about it 30 years ago? Were you even around? Was Amos even around? Some of us were just finishing the fight to end a war & trying to repair the soul of a nation, that was a priority back then, thank you! Nobody was collecting the kind of info & data on people back then like are trying to do today. Why the hell are you pissed at Amos for bringing up a subject that you seem to also be against but are debating it on a basis of it should've be done 30 yrs ago, it wasn't so don't do anything but shoot the messenger & well argue the fact 30 yrs from now. You're like the asshole that attends a meeting doesn't think or listen then argues the rest of the time about useless topics & tries to turn the meeting into an fight so nothing gets done, you are what's known as a blocker. Don't let the door hit on the ass on your way out Guest. Barry |
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01 Aug 06 - 04:29 AM (#1798496) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST,Ian P Well said, Barry. |
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01 Aug 06 - 08:54 AM (#1798641) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST Doesn't matter what you think of me boys, you ain't gonna stop this totalitarian train. The coup done already happened, y'all are just too stupid and too much in denial to see it. |
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01 Aug 06 - 09:00 AM (#1798648) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST PS What difference is Amos whining about this on an obscure web forum going to make regarding the outcome of this, unless he is willing to put the money where his keyboard is, and do the heavy lifting of turning it around? You see, that is the problem I have with the majority of liberal Democrat whiners around here. All they are willing to do is vote every couple of years, write a couple checks, sign completely worthless Internet petitions, but mostly, whine and bluster around Mudcat, wringing their hands, and demanding to know why the rest of us don't see how awful it all is. Well, compared to what they are going through in Lebanon, or what child soldiers and sex slaves are going through, I guess I don't have it so bad. |
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01 Aug 06 - 09:07 AM (#1798661) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: jeffp Except that you don't exist. |
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01 Aug 06 - 09:10 AM (#1798668) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST Another rocket scientist. You're a Nobel winner too, I suppose, with that clever riposte? |
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01 Aug 06 - 09:22 AM (#1798678) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: mandotim Guest; Thank you for your erudite and illuminating posts. Now you've comprehensively defeated everyone else on the board,demonstrated that you care more deeply about this problem than anyone else and shown how plain wrong the rest of us have been for the last 30 years; would it be possible for you to offer us the benefit of your wisdom by describing the one true solution to the problem, as I assume from the general tone of your posts above that you do have the answer?(if you have the time; you must be very busy sorting out all that political stuff on behalf of the rest of the world) Tim |
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01 Aug 06 - 09:54 AM (#1798726) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST Dear Tim, You do flatter me too much. But it is Amos who has the answer to all our problems: keep voting for liberal Democrats, for they shall deliver us from this evil forever and ever. |
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01 Aug 06 - 11:30 AM (#1798823) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Don't be quite such an ass, Guest. I do believe in the best that a liberal approach to life has to offer. But I do not believe,however, that there ARE simple solutions, so I am equally sure I don't have them. Anyway, I am tired of your snide sarcasms, and I am not going to read any more posts from you. A |
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01 Aug 06 - 11:46 AM (#1798850) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST,Old Guy When FEMA hands out money with out checking up on the recipient like a facist state, the cry is : Bush administration wastes our tax money! FEMA screws up again. There is no way to satisfy a Liberal crybaby. |
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01 Aug 06 - 11:47 AM (#1798853) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Ebbie The 'guest' is projecting her own inadequacies- assuming, that is, that she was aware of any such encroachment. |
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01 Aug 06 - 02:13 PM (#1799015) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST Or that he is a she, she a he, he a he or she a she. Only the shadow knows, only you idiots give a flying fuck. |
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02 Aug 06 - 09:35 AM (#1799736) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Greg F. Need a little help here, please- What has Old Fart's gratuitous post got to do with the subject of this thread? He's starting to sound more like Douggie Boy every day- pretty soon he'll be spouting pithy witticisms like "the sky is falling"... |
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02 Aug 06 - 11:15 AM (#1799811) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Old Guy believes that the issues raised by people of a more liberal and less hateful view than his own must be squelched by any illogic possible. BEcause they are just whining. Don't worry about it -- it's just a 'bully' shtick. A |
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02 Aug 06 - 01:16 PM (#1799900) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST,Old Guy More liberal and more hatefull. When did this start? 30 years ago. Suddenly Amos delclares it a new issue so he can monger some more hate and declare others of being hateful. So how do you satisfy a Liberal crybaby? |
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02 Aug 06 - 02:31 PM (#1799939) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Greg F. Sounds like he's off his meds- or perhaps he's taken a double or triple dose? |
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18 Oct 06 - 12:25 PM (#1862290) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos In more recent nrews here's a wonderful example of how we defend our nation from terrorism by sending quarter-back sized thugs to interrogate 14-year-old girls. Makes ya proud to be a Murrican sometimes, ya know? I feel SO much safer now than I did before W joined the sandbox. A |
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18 Oct 06 - 12:38 PM (#1862309) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: McGrath of Harlow As the old saying goes, if you didn't laugh you'd have to cry... The only people who would want Bush killed would be people who wants to keep the White House carrying on the way it has been for the past six years. For example Al Qaeda or the Neo-Cons. |
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18 Oct 06 - 12:48 PM (#1862322) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Now, Mc Grath, that's a bit judgemental. I am sure I could think of a few others who would endorse the idea, even if they didn't like ALL the consequences. A |
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18 Oct 06 - 01:17 PM (#1862337) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Barry Finn If it weren't for the consequences I would think that there would be a long, a very long line at the target range. The behavior that's been shown here is the same behavoir that recruits terrorists. This family, their friends & all others who were exposed to this will forever distrust our system. The 60's are being reborn all over again. From Viet Nam to the counter culture. Barry |
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18 Oct 06 - 01:31 PM (#1862354) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: McGrath of Harlow All right - the only people who would be pleased at the consequences of Buish being killed would be people who want to keep the White House carrying on the way it has been for the past six years. For example Al Qaeda or the Neo-Cons. |
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18 Oct 06 - 01:59 PM (#1862376) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: GUEST At Texas A&M last year, the field producing the highest number of graduates was "Homeland Security." Just 5 years after September 11, and the university system is churning out enormous numbers of students trained in spying and torturing. The prison economy is America's future, and the need for highly-skilled participants in the new economy will be met. And all it took was one government blow-up job. The rest has been hype and sleight of hand. I personally wonder about the parents of the kids that go into "Homeland Security" in college. Where the hell are the parents? Why do they pay for the education? Pay so your kid can be taught how to head-bag and waterboard. |
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18 Oct 06 - 03:56 PM (#1862472) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: BuckMulligan Then why are you upset that there are (if there are) "poor and working class kids locked out of college"??? Seems like that would be a good thing. That way only the middle and upper class folk (who are probably already irretrievably lost) will be tainted. |
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18 Oct 06 - 04:17 PM (#1862517) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Greg F. The 60's are being reborn all over again. From Viet Nam to the counter culture. Would that it were so. Ya ain't gonna form a movement out of yuppies and the "ME Generation". But the Viet Nam analogy is spot on - unfortunately. |
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18 Oct 06 - 04:21 PM (#1862519) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: McGrath of Harlow Sounds like just the kind of courses that you'd go into if you planned on getting into doing terrorism later. Rather the same way at one time IRA was largely reliant on volunteers who had done their training in the British Army. |
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18 Oct 06 - 04:25 PM (#1862524) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Donuel A guide to Guest and old guy rhetoric: "Its not about the money" = ITS ABOUT THE MONEY "You are hate mongering" = I hate you for your ideas. "Your whining is juevinile" = just shut up, WHAAAA, whimper, WHAAAAA |
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11 Jan 07 - 10:28 PM (#1933932) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos From a correspondent: Subject: Rural Montana librarian a threat to national security Libraries are dangerous places http://janellen.blogspot.com/2007/01/libraries-are-dangerous- places.html Excerpt: I learned today that she had recently submitted a request for a patron, ordering books from the large library in Billings. Being a tiny library, this is routine; she does this every week-- for folks who want to read items that aren't available, or maybe for kids who need something for a school report. She submits the order, the books come back, everyone is happy. Not this time. This time, she received these books; but they came with a letter informing her that because she had ordered them, she had been placed on a "Watch List." Pursuant to recent policy, with due respect for concerns with the requirements of the Patriot Act, she will have to appear in person in Billings before she will be permitted to order any more books. My suggestion is that every librarian in every library in the United States request a copy of these books (even if they already have one). ---Rsk |
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12 Jan 07 - 02:06 PM (#1934539) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: dianavan When you have a leader like Bush who is driven by his own fear and ignorance, the entire nation is effected. |
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13 Jan 07 - 08:33 PM (#1935751) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Re "Congressional Budget Delay Stymies Scientific Research " (news article, Jan. 7): It will be written that the scientific achievements of the American society in the second half of the 20th century rank with the greatest achievements in human history. Unfortunately, it appears that it may also be said that this illustrious chapter of American history was terminated by misguided, catastrophic, foreign and fiscal policies in the first administration of the 21st century, which recklessly dissipated the human and intellectual treasure of this country. William A. Cramer West Lafayette, Ind. Jan. 8, 2007 The writer is professor of biological sciences at Purdue University. |
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15 Jan 07 - 11:41 PM (#1937898) Subject: RE: BS: Fascism Encroaches on Education--2006 From: Amos Regarding the post upthread about the librarian, the following correction has just arrived on the IP List from which I forwarded the original tale: The Reference Librarian at the Billings library has given permission for this to be posted to IP. I have removed her name, phone number, and email address. The original is available upon your request. > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:19:09 -0700 > From: refdesk <[redacted]@billings.lib.mt.us> > To: mpaulsen@charterinternet.com > > The story is not true; there was no letter, and we do not have a > 'Watch > List' at the Parmly Billings Library. We have talked with the > librarian > in Joliet, and the author of the blog misunderstood a conversation the > librarian was having with another patron. They were talking in > general > about banning books and the Patriot Act. Unfortunately, the > misunderstanding has taken on a life of it's own. If you have any > other > questions, please email us at [redacted]@billings.lib.mt.us or call > us at > (406)657-[redacted]. Thank you for inquiring. > [redacted] > Reference Librarian > Parmly Billings Library > 510 North Broadway > Billings, MT 59101 > 406-657-[redacted] > www.billings.lib.mt.us My apologies for forwarding an untrue report. A |