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28 Aug 06 - 10:21 AM (#1820706) Subject: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Scoville Okay, we've been debating this literally for years. What the heck is the correct title, spelling, and pronunciation of the tune we've been calling "Cucharan's Cross" (KOOK-a-ran's, which I'm sure is completely wrong). I'm in the process of cleaning up our tabulature and I'd like to have both a more correct spelling and be able to provide a pronunciation and an explanation for the title to help people remember it. We've been mangling it for at least ten years. |
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28 Aug 06 - 10:56 AM (#1820722) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST On De Denann's 1976 LP "Selected Reels, Jigs and Songs" there's a pair of marches one of which is called 'Crucaharan Cross.' Any good? |
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28 Aug 06 - 12:37 PM (#1820776) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Scoville Actually, no--I'm sure it's the same tune but unfortunately, that's a spelling I haven't seen before. Ha ha. But thank you just the same. |
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28 Aug 06 - 04:30 PM (#1820949) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,kenny It's spelt "Crucaharan Cross" on the "De Danann" LP mentioned above. Sleeve notes say it's a tune played by the Dingle Wren Boys, and was played/collected by Charlie Piggott's grandfather, Charlie Flannery. Assuming we're talking about the same tune. |
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28 Aug 06 - 04:32 PM (#1820954) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,kenny This is the tune, as posted at "The Session". http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/3533 if this is not the tune you mean, maybe you could post a fragment of "abc"s |
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28 Aug 06 - 04:37 PM (#1820961) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Scoville Yes, that's the tune, but that's the first time I've ever seen it spelt that way. Well, it was worth a shot. Nobody in the U.S. has any concept of Celtic or Gaelic or whatever the proper terminology is. It's become a popular dulcimer tune in this area but we've all been saying and spelling it all over the map. I usually see it as: Cucharann['s] Cross Cucharain['s] Cross Cuckaran's Cross (probably the worst offender) I've never seen it with a "Cr--" at the beginning or with the extra syllable. Dang. |
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28 Aug 06 - 04:49 PM (#1820977) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Scoville Sorry, I cannot tell from that page (very poor sight-reader and no instrument with me on which to pick it out), but since the title is spelt the same way as the De Danaan version (of which I heard a clip online), I assume it's the same. |
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28 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM (#1820983) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Scoville The recording I've got loaded into my office computer, but a pair billing themselves as Gingerthistle, just pronounced it "Crusharan's Cross", spelt "Crucharan's Cross". Does anyone know--or have liner notes on hand--that might tell what historical basis, if any, this tune has? |
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28 Aug 06 - 07:00 PM (#1821095) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Peace Neat thread here from another site. Give it a boo, Scoville. |
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29 Aug 06 - 10:10 AM (#1821646) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: Scoville Ha! Thanks! Actually, Margaret and Rhonda are/were dulcimer compatriots of mine (I quit the club several years ago, but have known them for over a decade). I have to confess that it's Margaret's tab and spelling I'm trying to avoid. |
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19 Feb 20 - 06:39 PM (#4035105) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,Starship Read somewhere on a dulcimer site that it is spelled as such but pronounced KOOK-a-ran. Whether this is accurate or not I have no idea. |
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20 Feb 20 - 11:14 AM (#4035216) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,kenny I thought I had answered this above 14 years ago. Nobody else has since come up with a better explanation, nor of an example of the tune being recorded by anyone before "De Danann's" second LP. Is there any reason to doubt what they put on their sleeve-notes ? |
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20 Feb 20 - 12:08 PM (#4035221) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,Starship Sorry to have posted. Excuse me. Won't happen again. |
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20 Feb 20 - 12:57 PM (#4035228) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,kenny No worries. All the best. Kenny |
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20 Feb 20 - 12:59 PM (#4035231) Subject: RE: HELP: Cucharan's Cross -- proper title? From: GUEST,kenny In fact, someone has posted "De Danann's" track of the 2 "Dingle Wren" tunes on "Youtube" - link here : https://youtu.be/eg2llT3P-m0 |