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18 Oct 06 - 08:56 AM (#1862090) Subject: Backstory Req. B Dylan, Percy's Song From: Vixen I've been reliving my youth and listening to old Fairport Convention tracks...one number that jumped out at me (and which I did not recall from my youth) was Percy's Song. Is this a "true" ballad? What's the backstory? Also, the melody structure of the song seems to meld Two Sisters/Cruel Wind and Rain (refrain) with the chantey Goodbye Fare thee Well (story line). Does anyone more familiar with the melody of "Goodbye Fare thee Well" concur with that? or am I hearing things that don't exist? Thanks in advance... V |
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18 Oct 06 - 10:42 AM (#1862198) Subject: RE: Backstory Req. B Dylan, Percy's Song From: ClaireBear I do see a resemblance, but I think the melody of "Percy's Song" has more in common with the chanty "Bold Riley" (which shares some lyrics with "Goodbye Fare Thee Well") than to that latter chanty. Check out the MIDI for Bold Riley -- on the DT page -- and see if you agree. |
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18 Oct 06 - 09:03 PM (#1862795) Subject: RE: Backstory Req. B Dylan, Percy's Song From: GUEST,jaze The first I ever heard Percy's Song was Joan Baez singing it in the film Don't Look Back. I loved the song and tried to find out what it was. I'd like to hear Fairport's version. I just think it's a great song. I'm not familiar with the other songs. |
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19 Oct 06 - 01:58 AM (#1862899) Subject: RE: Backstory Req. B Dylan, Percy's Song From: mrdux arlo guthrie did a fine version of it too, around 1970. "washington county" was the name of the album. regarding the tune, dylan claimed he "took the tune from a song that a foksinger by the name of Paul Clayton sang called 'The Wind And The Rain.'" (http://www.theratio.org/features/1/dylan/default.htm) michael |
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19 Oct 06 - 08:21 AM (#1863076) Subject: RE: Backstory Req. B Dylan, Percy's Song From: Vixen ClaireBear--I listened to the midi of Bold Riley, and I found Farewell Juliana (Golden Ring!) and listened to that, and at this point I'm more in favor of Farewell Juliana. Maybe because the midi doesn't have words, so I'm sort of imagining where the words would "line up" with the music. I can't find a recording of Goodbye Fare Thee Well at home, so I must have heard that one somewhere else. Nobody's answered the second part of the query, though--was there really a Percy? (like Hurricane Carter?) Or is the whole narrative a fiction? Curiouser and Curiouser... V |
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10 Dec 06 - 01:26 AM (#1905106) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Johnhenry'shammer I'm not sure whether Percy was real or not. What I am sure of is that this was an outtake from The Times They Are A-Changin'. Dylan's version was released on the Biograph box set. |
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10 Dec 06 - 01:30 AM (#1905108) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: number 6 Good thread ... I always wondered too. BTW ... I always have like that version by Fairport Convention ... Sandy Denny has a voice I haven't heard matched by any female singer since. biLL |
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10 Dec 06 - 01:33 AM (#1905109) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Peace "Percy's Song Words Bob Dylan, melody trad. ("The Wind and The Rain", which is a variant of The Two Sisters) Recorded Oct 24, 1963 during the sessions for The Times They Are A-Changin' and released on Biograph (1991) Tabbed by Eyolf Østrem" However, wasn't Biograph from the 1980s? |
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10 Dec 06 - 06:52 AM (#1905209) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: David C. Carter 1986,or so it says on the box set I have. |
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10 Dec 06 - 06:55 AM (#1905210) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: David C. Carter Sorry.That should have been 1985! |
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10 Dec 06 - 05:45 PM (#1905684) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Roughyed There is a previous thread on this at Percy's Song: History? which gives a little more information but not much. It does have an authentic feel to the story but I suppose that, as they say, if you can fake that you've got it made. Hope the link works but I found it by putting the word 'Percy' into the knowledge search and scrolling down through the Percy French references etc. |
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10 Dec 06 - 07:18 PM (#1905784) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Arkie I have not heard Paul Clayton's version of Wind and the Rain, but the Percy's Song tune does not resemble that closely the versions I do know. I suspect that Dylan made the tune after hearing Clayton sing the Wind and the Rain and borrowed very loosely from the tune and borrowed the Rain and the Wind chorus. I suspect he made no attempt to capture the exact tune but was instead inspired by the tune. |
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11 Dec 06 - 12:52 AM (#1905999) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: catspaw49 I think rougheyed may have been trying to link this previous thread from several years back. I have a longish, copied, post on that thread that is still just about everything I have still been able to find. I have occasionally gone searching over the past few years but found not much more than what I have on the other thread. Sorry 'bout that.............Geez, I look at that date and it's just two days before I got the new heart valve. Wow........ Spaw |
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06 Nov 23 - 04:46 PM (#4185408) Subject: ADD: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Joe Offer PERCY'S SONG (Bob Dylan) Bad news, bad news came to me where I sleep Turn, turn, turn again Sayin' one of your friends is in trouble deep Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Tell me the trouble, tell me once to my ear Turn, turn, turn again Joliet prison and ninety-nine years Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Oh what's the charge of how this came to be? Turn, turn, turn again Manslaughter in the highest of degrees Turn, turn to the rain and the wind I sat down and wrote the best words I could write Turn, turn, turn again Explaining to the judge I'd be there on Wednesday night Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Without a reply I left by the moon Turn, turn, turn again And was in his chambers by the next afternoon Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Could you tell me the facts, I said without fear Turn, turn, turn again That a friend of mine would get ninety-nine years Turn, turn to the rain and the wind A crash on the highway flew the car to a field Turn, turn, turn again There was four persons killed and he was at the wheel Turn, turn to the rain and the wind But I know him as good as I'm knowin' myself Turn, turn, turn again And he wouldn't harm a life that belonged to someone else Turn, turn to the rain and the wind The judge he spoke out of the side of his mouth Turn, turn, turn again Sayin', "The witness who saw he left no doubt" Turn, turn to the rain and the wind That may be true, he's got a sentence to serve Turn, turn, turn again But ninety-nine years, he just don't deserve Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Too late, too late for his case it is sealed Turn, turn, turn again His sentenced is passed and it cannot be repealed Turn, turn to the rain and the wind But he ain't no criminal and his crime it is none Turn, turn, turn again What happened to him could happen to anyone Turn, turn to the rain and the wind And at that the judge jerked forward and his face it did freeze Turn, turn, turn again Sayin', "Could you kindly leave my office now, please" Turn, turn to the rain and the wind The room was funny and I stood up so slow Turn, turn, turn again With no other choice except for to go Turn, turn to the rain and the wind I walked down the hallway and I heard his door slam Turn, turn, turn again I walked down the courthouse stairs and I did not understand Turn, turn to the rain and the wind And I played my guitar through the night to the day Turn, turn, turn again And the only tune my guitar could play Was, "Oh the cruel rain and the wind" Source: LyricFind Songwriters: Bob Dylan Percy's Song (Studio Outtake - 1963) lyrics © Wb Music Corp |
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06 Nov 23 - 04:46 PM (#4191371) Subject: ADD: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Joe Offer PERCY'S SONG (Bob Dylan) Bad news, bad news came to me where I sleep Turn, turn, turn again Sayin' one of your friends is in trouble deep Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Tell me the trouble, tell me once to my ear Turn, turn, turn again Joliet prison and ninety-nine years Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Oh what's the charge of how this came to be? Turn, turn, turn again Manslaughter in the highest of degrees Turn, turn to the rain and the wind I sat down and wrote the best words I could write Turn, turn, turn again Explaining to the judge I'd be there on Wednesday night Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Without a reply I left by the moon Turn, turn, turn again And was in his chambers by the next afternoon Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Could you tell me the facts, I said without fear Turn, turn, turn again That a friend of mine would get ninety-nine years Turn, turn to the rain and the wind A crash on the highway flew the car to a field Turn, turn, turn again There was four persons killed and he was at the wheel Turn, turn to the rain and the wind But I know him as good as I'm knowin' myself Turn, turn, turn again And he wouldn't harm a life that belonged to someone else Turn, turn to the rain and the wind The judge he spoke out of the side of his mouth Turn, turn, turn again Sayin', "The witness who saw he left no doubt" Turn, turn to the rain and the wind That may be true, he's got a sentence to serve Turn, turn, turn again But ninety-nine years, he just don't deserve Turn, turn to the rain and the wind Too late, too late for his case it is sealed Turn, turn, turn again His sentenced is passed and it cannot be repealed Turn, turn to the rain and the wind But he ain't no criminal and his crime it is none Turn, turn, turn again What happened to him could happen to anyone Turn, turn to the rain and the wind And at that the judge jerked forward and his face it did freeze Turn, turn, turn again Sayin', "Could you kindly leave my office now, please" Turn, turn to the rain and the wind The room was funny and I stood up so slow Turn, turn, turn again With no other choice except for to go Turn, turn to the rain and the wind I walked down the hallway and I heard his door slam Turn, turn, turn again I walked down the courthouse stairs and I did not understand Turn, turn to the rain and the wind And I played my guitar through the night to the day Turn, turn, turn again And the only tune my guitar could play Was, "Oh the cruel rain and the wind" Source: LyricFind Songwriters: Bob Dylan Percy's Song (Studio Outtake - 1963) lyrics © Wb Music Corp |
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06 Nov 23 - 05:02 PM (#4191373) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Reinhard Also in the DT as PERCYSNG |
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06 Nov 23 - 05:02 PM (#4185414) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: Reinhard Also in the DT as PERCYSNG |
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06 Nov 23 - 09:41 PM (#4185431) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: voyager Percy's Songs fits well in a world gone mad with Geo-olitical Armageddon conflict .... now is the time for your tears. |
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06 Nov 23 - 09:41 PM (#4191372) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: voyager Percy's Songs fits well in a world gone mad with Geo-olitical Armageddon conflict .... now is the time for your tears. |
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07 Nov 23 - 10:45 AM (#4185470) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: GUEST,Jerome Clark The Percy in "Percy's Song" was almost certainly Bishop Thomas Percy 1729-1811), the great ballad collector who influenced Prof. Francis James Child in the second half of the 19th century. I suspect it was Dylan's winking acknowledgement of his debt to "Two Sisters." |
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07 Nov 23 - 10:45 AM (#4191370) Subject: RE: Origins: Percy's Song (Bob Dylan) From: GUEST,Jerome Clark The Percy in "Percy's Song" was almost certainly Bishop Thomas Percy 1729-1811), the great ballad collector who influenced Prof. Francis James Child in the second half of the 19th century. I suspect it was Dylan's winking acknowledgement of his debt to "Two Sisters." |