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BS: Department Of Redundancy Department

30 Nov 06 - 07:50 PM (#1897028)
Subject: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Redundant phrases seem to creep easily and often into our common usage.   Not to mention frequently.

Some of my favorites (or I should say the ones that cause the most eye-rolling) are:
- Deja vu all over again (Thank you, Yogi!)
- It's a win-win for everyone.
- 8:00 AM in the morning
- HIV virus
- PIN number

You may have others in mind.

Then, of course, there are the musically related ones, such as
- out of tune banjo
- loud drummer
and
- arrogant soprano

Anyway, anyone have others to contribute to this unimportant and inconsequential thread (which is far from monumental in significance)?


30 Nov 06 - 07:54 PM (#1897033)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Bill D

"previously recorded"....and I have even heard "previously recorded earlier"...


30 Nov 06 - 08:03 PM (#1897044)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Joe Offer

Would you like that with au jus?


30 Nov 06 - 08:26 PM (#1897062)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: bobad

At this point in time.


30 Nov 06 - 09:33 PM (#1897095)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: JennyO

- ATM machine

- LCD display

- cease and desist

- free gift

- end result

- close proximity

- true fact


30 Nov 06 - 09:51 PM (#1897110)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Bill D

Oh, my. I have been asked if I wanted that sandwich "with au jus"....that was a long time ago.


30 Nov 06 - 09:57 PM (#1897117)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Don Firth

JennyO beat me to my list of favorites, "free gift" in particular.

I will quibble with one of hers, though. LCD = Liquid Crystal Diode. So LCD display isn't really redundant.

Don Firth


30 Nov 06 - 10:36 PM (#1897143)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: JennyO

OK Don, you got me on that one. I think most people, me included, thought that the D stood for Display.

Meanwhile, here are a few more:

- tuna fish

- added bonus

- the reason is because

- hot-water heater

- advance planning

- consensus of opinion

- first and foremost

- repeat that again


01 Dec 06 - 01:04 AM (#1897177)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Seamus Kennedy

This show was recorded before a live audience.

Seamus


01 Dec 06 - 01:22 AM (#1897181)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: JennieG

Which is probably better than a dead one.......

Cheers
JennieG


01 Dec 06 - 01:58 AM (#1897190)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Gurney

Bobad, I've heard "at the present moment in time" which may be in the Department of Redundancy Department Department.


01 Dec 06 - 02:08 AM (#1897195)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Dave Hanson

' For the sake of Auld Lang Syne '

eric


01 Dec 06 - 02:22 AM (#1897199)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Re the "recorded before a live audience,"
one of my favorites is:
"Chet Atkins was a great guitarist before his death"
or
"Elvis was a great singer before he died,"

etc.

I guess maybe those aren't really redundant, but I can't help feeling like it would be better to just say "The late Chet Atkins was a great guitarist," etc.


01 Dec 06 - 02:48 AM (#1897204)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: catspaw49

Anything "pre" is screwy. Bill mentions pre-recorded and of course something can be either recorded or not but pre-recorded would be sitting around and waiting?   This leads to my favorite, "pre-heat." How do you preheat? Literally that means "before heat" so if you have to preheat to 400 degrees, you can't! You have no heat; it has happened yet. You can heat it to 400 but there is no way to preheat your oven.

What the hell is a preview? You're either viewing or not.

Spaw


01 Dec 06 - 02:50 AM (#1897205)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: ClaireBear

My husband (who's from Texas) heard "the great Rio Grande river" many times throughout his childhood, and it always made him wince.

I, on the other hand, grew up in California, where most mornings we listened with much wailing and gnashing of teeth to the New York-based weather guy on the Today Show as described our eastern mountains as "the snow-covered Sierra Nevada mountain range."

Claire


01 Dec 06 - 05:00 AM (#1897258)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Paul Burke

No, it doesn't stand for liquid crystal diode, it IS display. You're thinking of LED diodes, MOSFET transistors, UPS supplies, and PCB boards.

Changed history forever.

Rio Grande river is just standard language progression. In Lancashire, there's Pendle Hill. Pen means hill. "Pendle" is a contraction of "Pen hill". No doubt Mount Pendlehill next.


01 Dec 06 - 07:24 AM (#1897319)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Paul from Hull

That would be Lancastrians making mountains out of molehills again then, t'Other Paul...*G*


01 Dec 06 - 07:38 AM (#1897331)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Paul Burke

Bloody Yoksher folk. They even built a Needless Hall. Or more likely got someone else to do it forrem. Like the YYY monkeys.


01 Dec 06 - 07:55 AM (#1897335)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: The Fooles Troupe

Actually "cease and desist" has a good reason for existing.

When the Normans took over the Anglo Saxons territory, the new laws were written so that ideas from both languages and cultures were accommodated. The two words come from the two different roots - and each word means something slightly different, so that in order for there to be no misunderstanding, or 'technicalities', both meanings of "stop" were included.

It is not the only such apparently, not of originally so, redundant usage from this source. Just ask a legal eagle.


01 Dec 06 - 08:03 AM (#1897344)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: The Fooles Troupe

From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com

There is even today a subtle distinction for Word Smiths.


cease (ss)
v. ceased, ceas·ing, ceas·es
v.tr.
To put an end to; discontinue: The factory ceased production. See Synonyms at stop.
v.intr.
1. To come to an end; stop: a process that never ceases.
2. To stop performing an activity or action; desist: "fold our wings,/And cease from wanderings" Tennyson.
n.
Cessation; pause: We worked without cease to get the project finished on time.

---------

[Middle English cesen, from Old French cesser, from Latin cessre, to stop, frequentative of cdere, to yield; see ked- in Indo-European roots.]


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
de·sist (d-sst, -zst)
intr.v. de·sist·ed, de·sist·ing, de·sists
To cease doing something; forbear. See Synonyms at stop.


[Middle English desisten, from Old French desister, from Latin dsistere : d-, de- + sistere, to bring to a standstill; see st- in Indo-European roots.]


01 Dec 06 - 08:14 AM (#1897356)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: kendall

One of my unfavorites is, "underneath"


01 Dec 06 - 08:16 AM (#1897360)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Big Mick

irregardless -

MAKES ME CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


01 Dec 06 - 08:51 AM (#1897391)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Becca72

Past history...I do transcription for the Radiology Dept of a local hospital and one doc in particular uses this phrase a lot.

I also deal with a company whose recorded phone menu asks "if you would like to have that information repeated again, press 2". Well, I've only heard it once so far...


01 Dec 06 - 10:12 AM (#1897468)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Linda Goodman Zebooker

Please RSVP


01 Dec 06 - 10:23 AM (#1897477)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Grab

Re Pendle Hill, apparently there's a "Torpenhow Hill" which translates as "Hill-hill-hill Hill".

No-one's yet mentioned "MIDI interface".

I'd quibble with some of the others. "Hot-water heater" isn't necessarily a tautology, because you might not necessarily be heating the water until it's hot. You could conceivably have a "tepid-water heater" and a "slightly-above-freezing water heater" (a car block heater, for example).

And "repeat that again" is only a tautology if you haven't previously repeated it.

Graham.


01 Dec 06 - 11:35 AM (#1897538)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

Using "pre-" in the sense that Spaw objects to is a 20th century illiteracy that has evolved to mean "prior to a referenced event". This is not wholly useless. Pre-heating an oven means heating it before the main cooking is to occur, getting it ready. Pre-view is the bit of a film or show you get to see as a teaser, before attending. Some corporate wonks even invented a "pre-meeting" which is a meeting held before another meeting to discuss a strategy or a plan for the larger later meeting. I spit.

A


01 Dec 06 - 11:42 AM (#1897547)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: catspaw49

Amos, that makes it no less horse shit! Why not just say "Heat the oven to 400?"   I'm going to check my post by clicking preview, but it will allow me to view the post, not a blank screen. Perhaps if I were to prescreen the preview..............

Spaw


01 Dec 06 - 12:38 PM (#1897595)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

You can only preview it before you post it. I sympathize completely with your hatred of this degraded management-speak, and I agree it is horse shit. I was just commenting that there is method to the madness of it. Everything in life becomes a project management relativistic psychobabble nightmare, and the center cannot hold. It ruins tense, and living in the present, and corrodes human thought. I think I'll pre-heat the oven and pre-insert my head...


A


01 Dec 06 - 12:45 PM (#1897601)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Mooh

Begin to start, as in "We shall begin to start commencement [high school graduation around here]...".

Peace, Mooh.


01 Dec 06 - 01:27 PM (#1897630)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Yeah, Claire, that "snow-covered Sierra Nevada mountains" is one of my faves.   It's a double reduncancy. Not to mention repetitious, too.

Do you guys ever get frozen icicles or white snow out your way? (Yeah, I know about the yellow snow, but that's only when Spaw's been around.)


01 Dec 06 - 01:33 PM (#1897636)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

And, Mooh, how about when people make a noun by adding the "tion" or "ation" ending and then make a new verb that includes that ending?   It can potentially go on ad infinitum.

orient (v.) -> orientation (n.) -> orientate (v.)
which occasionally leads to atrocities such as "orientationate" or "orientationing"


Oh, and how about shrimp scampi?


01 Dec 06 - 01:33 PM (#1897637)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST

Pay day is every two weeks, bi-weekly.


01 Dec 06 - 01:39 PM (#1897639)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Foolestroupe: "Foolestroupe - PM
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 07:55 AM

Actually "cease and desist" has a good reason for existing.
... The two words come from the two different roots - and each word means something slightly different, so that in order for there to be no misunderstanding, or 'technicalities', both meanings of "stop" were included.

It is not the only such apparently, not of originally so, redundant usage from this source. Just ask a legal eagle."

Ah, yes.   And the Legal Department, which deals with rules and regulations, is now and henceforth, at present and in perpetuity, a partition and subdivision of the Department Of Redundancy Department.   With good reason and for important purposes, of course. Naturally.


01 Dec 06 - 02:25 PM (#1897691)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Bert

Preheat makes a little more sense when welding. The pre meaning to heat the metal BEFORE welding it.


01 Dec 06 - 03:19 PM (#1897742)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

LEt's set and talk some palaver, you an' me, about this hyar redundancy thing....


A


01 Dec 06 - 03:29 PM (#1897757)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Amos, some of your fancy words are unintelligible - and hard to understand, too,

G


01 Dec 06 - 03:36 PM (#1897766)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: BuckMulligan

Am I the only one bugged by "The thing of it is, is ...." and suchlike, e.g. "The reason is, is..." and "The point is, is..." all of which remind me of Andy Griffith's "What it was, was football." Except that what that was, was funny.


01 Dec 06 - 03:38 PM (#1897771)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

On behalf of all English-speaking morons, illiterates, idiots, uneducated buffoons, rustic clowns, and run-of-the-mill peasants, I'd like to apologize to our betters for not necessarily knowing the meanings of such words as: scampi, sierra, nevada, rio, grande, au, jus ... (not to mention auld, lang, syne) ... We do hope to be more privileged in our next lives.


01 Dec 06 - 04:47 PM (#1897816)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

Memyself, no apologies needed. Invest in a good dictionary -- the American Heritage is one for Yanks. It'll do wonders for your self-esteem, too! :)


A


01 Dec 06 - 05:30 PM (#1897839)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Bill D

The sin is not in not knowing, it is not being curious.


01 Dec 06 - 05:47 PM (#1897856)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

Buck, I was always annoyed by that too, until I realised that what was being said was actually "What the thing of it is is...", which is still extremely annoying, even more so in fact because it makes sense.

I dunno, it's all very tres ordinaire...


01 Dec 06 - 06:29 PM (#1897876)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

It just goes on and on and on incessantly ad infinitum, and never stops also.


01 Dec 06 - 06:40 PM (#1897883)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

"The sin is not in not knowing, it is not being curious."

If we are going to bring religion into it now, the sin is not in omission, it is in neglect. (Or is that awkward construction intentional? In which case, if you'll forgive my redundancy, you have committed a damned sin).


01 Dec 06 - 06:45 PM (#1897885)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

"It'll do wonders for your self-esteem, too!"

Yes, I've often noticed that lack of self-esteem is a problem that seldom surfaces on this forum. That must explain it ...


01 Dec 06 - 06:47 PM (#1897887)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Bert

lack of self-esteem is a problem that seldom surfaces on this forum

LOL Just too true. Or is Too True redundant?


01 Dec 06 - 07:13 PM (#1897904)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Liz the Squeak

There are many rivers up and down the country called 'River River' (Rother, Trent, Avon, Piddle, Thame etc.).

It's because Roman invaders asked the locals 'what's this called' and they'd say, in their own language 'river'. So the invader would say 'Ah, the river Rother' which stuck. Avon is the English way of saying Afon, which is Welsh for river. Caernarvon Castle is 'castle on the river castle'.

LTS


01 Dec 06 - 07:19 PM (#1897908)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Little Hawk

If we'd know this thread was coming, we could have had a pre-thread discussing it before it happened. It's too late for that now, but we can still have a postmortem after it's done, I guess. I wonder when that will be?


01 Dec 06 - 07:56 PM (#1897937)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

'Tis a mystery and a puzzlement.


01 Dec 06 - 08:00 PM (#1897939)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

BuckMulligan : "Am I the only one bugged by "The thing of it is, is ...." and suchlike, e.g. "The reason is, is..." and "The point is, is..." all of which remind me of Andy Griffith's "What it was, was football." Except that what that was, was funny."
In a word, no. Not at all. Nuh-uh.

Amos: "Invest in a good dictionary -- the American Heritage is one for Yanks. It'll do wonders for your self-esteem, too! :)"
Not to mention making you feel better about yourself too.


01 Dec 06 - 08:22 PM (#1897951)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

And another thing: what led this wise consellor to conclude that I am of the American persuasion? Was it a perception that none but an American could be ignorant of the meaning of the listed foreign and dialect words? Or that only an American would be sensitive to snobbery?

I beg you all to understand, that with a name like memyself, I'm a little touchy on the subject of redundancy.


01 Dec 06 - 08:23 PM (#1897952)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: The Fooles Troupe

Not in my lifetime, I hope. that would truly be post-morton for me then... or would that be post-moron...


01 Dec 06 - 09:04 PM (#1897978)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Aha, Foolestroupe! You reminded me of yet another:

"You stupid idiot!"
or
"You silly fool!"
;-D


02 Dec 06 - 01:04 AM (#1898057)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

You foolish silly-billy!

On and on ad infinitum without cess....


A


02 Dec 06 - 01:44 AM (#1898063)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

That's the most unique one so far.


02 Dec 06 - 05:14 AM (#1898122)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: JennyO

Aw I dunno - not the uniquest. I've seen uniquer ones. That was only a little bit unique.


02 Dec 06 - 05:28 AM (#1898135)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Dead Horse

I guess that makes you an individual then!


02 Dec 06 - 05:36 AM (#1898140)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: JohnInKansas

If the first result is posting of a perfectly cogent comment, an intermediate result will be the rapid accretion of many comments, some of which may be equally cogent, but many of which will be trite, trivial, and feeble attempts to "jump aboard" the discussion.

The end result often will be bickering about everyone else's comments, unless the bickering is supplanted by outright hostile attacks.

So what's redundundant?

John


02 Dec 06 - 07:34 AM (#1898202)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

Pleonastic.


02 Dec 06 - 07:35 AM (#1898203)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

Excessively pleonastic would probably be redundanter


02 Dec 06 - 10:57 AM (#1898303)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

The true facts about redundant neoplasteries, or the correct ones concerning overuse of redundancy, exemplified by many all over.

A


02 Dec 06 - 03:43 PM (#1898502)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Dead horse, that makes you a SINGULAR individual!


02 Dec 06 - 07:32 PM (#1898692)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST

Songs are replete with and full of repetition and redundancy.

Red Rosy Bush
Dawn's early light
Always And Forever


02 Dec 06 - 07:35 PM (#1898694)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: The Fooles Troupe

A Singular is a micro black hole, which sucks in everything nearby.


03 Dec 06 - 11:26 AM (#1898850)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Bill D

I thought it was a phone company

A black hole is a "singularity"


03 Dec 06 - 07:23 PM (#1899200)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: The Fooles Troupe

Well you got sucked in anyway, mate...

:-)


04 Dec 06 - 05:18 AM (#1899420)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Michael

I, myself, personaly am sick of people repeating the same thing over and over again ad nauseum in this thread. It makes me want to throw up.


04 Dec 06 - 03:44 PM (#1899939)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

The two of us will both be singing a duet, together.   - Alfalfa


04 Dec 06 - 04:34 PM (#1899995)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

Excessively pleonastic would probably be redundanter


04 Dec 06 - 07:08 PM (#1900103)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST

"Dramatic drama" here


04 Dec 06 - 07:31 PM (#1900110)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: The Fooles Troupe

So now all you anti-redunanters want to attack poetry? repeating things for emphasis is a recognised poetical and general writing technique...


04 Dec 06 - 08:41 PM (#1900152)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Desert Dancer

Redundant rivers are found over here, too: in Tucson, we have the Rillito River.


07 Dec 06 - 01:06 AM (#1902156)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Michael: "I, myself, personaly am sick of people repeating the same thing over and over again ad nauseum in this thread. It makes me want to throw up."

Me too, Michael, likewise. It also makes me want to vomit.


And how about this for mainstream media redundancy:

"Dick Cheney and his wife are looking forward with eager anticipation to becoming grandparents again ..."


07 Dec 06 - 04:06 AM (#1902216)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

Vomit makes me want to throw up and the very thought of throwing up makes me feel sick.

Excuse me. Feeling a little crook.


07 Dec 06 - 10:50 AM (#1902447)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

Just heard a commentator on advertising (on CBC Radio One, Terry O'Reilly) use the words "unnecessary redundancy". I don't know if this was tongue-in-cheek; it was delivered straight-faced, so to speak, as it were, if you know what I mean, eh?


08 Dec 06 - 06:39 AM (#1903305)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

I think any writer who engages in and uses repetitive redundancy should be fatally executed and killed dead.


08 Dec 06 - 10:33 AM (#1903452)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

You mean totally eliminated?


08 Dec 06 - 01:03 PM (#1903588)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

A guy learning English as a second language once asked me whether the word 'actually' is always surplussage. A word without value. I'm not sure. If it means "in reality," as opposed to "not in fantasy," I think he's right. If it means "au contraire," I'm sure there are many who derive pleasure and value from it.


08 Dec 06 - 03:05 PM (#1903727)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

"Actually" is an emphasizer, used rhetorically to underscore the notion that one is describing the way things are, in contrast to someone's less actual idea, or a previous less-accurate vision of how they would be.

In lazy minds it has fallen into use as a meanningless surplussage, actually. :>)


A


08 Dec 06 - 03:44 PM (#1903770)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

I think that works. . . By George I think I've got it. Too bad my little Eliza guy is gone, never getting to enjoy that word.


08 Dec 06 - 03:58 PM (#1903785)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

While we're at it, Amos, what is Grundy-esque? The Marvel comics monster?


08 Dec 06 - 05:08 PM (#1903861)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Foolestroupe: "So now all you anti-redunanters want to attack poetry? repeating things for emphasis is a recognised poetical and general writing technique."

No, not really. Au Contraire. Actually, we're just point out common types and sorts of repetition and redundancy. And directing attention to them.


08 Dec 06 - 10:30 PM (#1904144)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Amos

Wikipedia tells us:

"Mrs Grundy is the personification of the tyranny of conventional propriety (from Thomas Morton's play Speed the Plough, which appeared in 1798).
(By contemporary rules of punctuation of 1798, still prevailing in North America today, she is Mrs. Grundy.)
Peter Fryer's book Mrs. Grundy: Studies in English Prudery concerns prudish behaviour, such as the use of euphemisms for underwear.
By the mid-nineteenth century, Mrs. Grundy was so well established in the public imagination as a canonical character that Samuel Butler, in his popular novel Erewhon, could refer to her in anagram (as the goddess Ydgrun).
Robert A. Heinlein also mentions her, for example, in his novel The Number of the Beast."

A


08 Dec 06 - 11:48 PM (#1904207)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

Whoa. You should pay that word extra.


08 Dec 06 - 11:57 PM (#1904212)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,memyself

I used to use euphemisms for underwear, but they made me itchy.

(Fun activity for when you've finished your work: say, "I used to use euphemisms" three times, fast).


09 Dec 06 - 12:39 AM (#1904226)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: John O'L

It depends what your euphamisms are made out of. Allegorical whatsits for example are far more annoying than metaphorical ones.


09 Dec 06 - 04:53 PM (#1904799)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

oh man I've just discovered the IRS' Modified Adjusted Gross Income . . .


10 Dec 06 - 09:12 AM (#1905292)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: BuckMulligan

Wait'll you get a load of the Alternative Minimum Tax.


10 Dec 06 - 10:39 PM (#1905952)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

Then there's the right-wing sound machine's clever attempt to be politically correct by
renaming suicide bombers as

"homicide bombers."


Maybe not quite as clearly redundant as "homicide killers." But close. ;)


14 Dec 06 - 04:09 PM (#1909679)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Genie

I suspect that men who say they are male models or male nurses tend to overuse redundancy too often.


23 Dec 06 - 08:00 PM (#1917851)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: heric

I just read in a State tourist brochure that the ancient Hawaiians lived in harmony with the environment which was all around them.


07 Jan 07 - 08:49 PM (#1929797)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: heric

Amos: I have just learned that that most amazing word, Grundy-esque, has yet another meaning, such that it's trans-pondal use may be distorted. In England, it seems, they may take you to mean "akin to the sensation of being held aloft by the rear side of your underpants, such that your feet leave the ground and the crotch of your pants is forced up your bum-crack so your balls and dick get crushed." (Mitchell, D., Black Swan Green, p. 216).


08 Jan 07 - 08:45 PM (#1930910)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: Duane D.

The title of this thread grabbed my attention and "A flash from the past." (my past, that is) and youth misspent in the process. Well, I think we're all bozos on this bus. See Ya on the Funway.......


28 Jun 08 - 10:13 PM (#2376447)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

in todays news, I think this should qualify:

A teenager died Saturday when he was decapitated.


28 Jun 08 - 10:26 PM (#2376456)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

What?? I didn't hear you.


29 Jun 08 - 01:05 AM (#2376516)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: GUEST,heric

I can't seeee youoooo

Two hours later, CNN has re-worded that sentence.


29 Jun 08 - 10:41 PM (#2377058)
Subject: RE: BS: Department Of Redundancy Department
From: HuwG

From the Audience participation questions on "The Now Show", BBC Radio 4 in the UK:

Every printed e-mail has an extra sheet which says, "Did you need to print this document?"

To save costs, stationary may be ordered on Wednesdays only, even though it is the same price as on any other day of the week.

The attendence board, vital to let safety officers know who may still be in the building in case evacuation is necessary, is screwed to the wall.