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17 Mar 99 - 01:27 AM (#63653) Subject: Wassail ? What is it ... From: j0_77 Even though I heard of it long ago - I am now very confused. It was reported - I think on PR - that it is an English Custom. They went on to describe poeple singing to apple trees. I suppose there had to be scrumpy somewhere in there, but I don't now recall the exact account. Any input greatly appreciated :) Search for "Wassail" threads |
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17 Mar 99 - 02:24 AM (#63660) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: katlaughing According to the scant info I have in an out-of-print Christmas Carol book I grew up on and cherish more each year, because of its history notes of each song and the really unusual songs which are in it,"Wassail is derived from the Anglo-Saxon Waeshael(Be in health)." It doesn't say anything about apple trees, but it does say the carol, "Here we come a'caroling" is derived from "Here we come a'wassailing". It goes on to say wassailing was a pagan Yule custom of the British Isles. "It was customary for groups of revelers to go about offering a hot drink from the wassail bowl and a song, in exchange for gifts".While at the time the book was printed it says the custom was still practised in Englad, "it has been largely displaced by caroling". From what I can gather, the drink itself was usually spiced ale. The book is The Christmas Carolers' Book by Torstein O. Kvamme, Hall & McCreary Company, Chicago, circa 1930/40's. I hope this was some of what you were looking for. katlaughing |
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17 Mar 99 - 03:26 AM (#63674) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: j0_77 Thanks :) Well that is precisely what I recall - and in the company of my very dear friends went Caroling with candles and all that good stuff. There are many things related here - I believe the PR shows here in the USA 'romanticise' and get a little confused on occasion. |
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17 Mar 99 - 07:44 AM (#63708) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: SlowAlan Yeah, I think that it was an opportunity for the farm workers to "claim" booze and presents from the landlords, a rare opportunity when they had the upper hand. Some of the wassail song lyrics imply that if the squire and his lady don't come across with the grog and presents they might have bad luck of some sort. |
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17 Mar 99 - 07:55 AM (#63710) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Ian Waes Hael - "Good Health" - is still occasionally used as a drinking toast in rural England. Whilst the original custom was probably one and the same as carol singing in some parts of England, in the Western counties (Somerset, Dorset, Devon etc.) it has been specially identified with carolling in the cider orchards. Wassailing, as distinct from carolling, is still practised in one or two villages in these counties. |
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17 Mar 99 - 09:17 AM (#63720) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: catspaw49 Wow...Y'all got them in-depth kinda' books and all. Very impressive. But katlaughing dear...you got family ti the TV racket, so you oughta' know that most everything mentioned in this thread is in the "Claymation Christmas Special." Vast wasteland indeed!!! ***GRIN*** catspaw |
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17 Mar 99 - 10:34 AM (#63733) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: katlaughing catspaw....CLAYMATION???? AAARRRGGGGHHHhhhhh! TV broadcast might be our bread and butter, but we don't let it muck about with our minds THAT much! UGH!***BG*** |
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17 Mar 99 - 11:16 AM (#63747) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: j0_77 I guess the researcher for the show that I heard was a newbie - (wonders in amamzment, PR hmmm) Were not the Western Counties especially Cornwall the last to adopt English? Perhaps they adopted the name Wassailing for some older custom. |
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17 Mar 99 - 11:46 AM (#63759) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Ian Dorset & Somerset were part of the ancient English kingdom of Wessex. Waes Hael is an Anglo Saxon phrase. Sorry, but that means English. The significance of the western counties is that cider is involved. |
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17 Mar 99 - 12:18 PM (#63771) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: AlistairUK The Kipper Family used to do a wonderful wassailing song. Here's a snippet: Wassail, Wassail I'll tell yer wassail, It comes in bottles brown and pale, It comes in bottles so bring some here And we'll have a happy New Year Here we come a-wassailing all amongst the leaves Which isn't very easy when they're still all on the trees Wassail etc. Pouring cider on the apple tree seems rather wrong We'll drink it first and then we'll water the trees before too long. Wassail etc. |
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17 Mar 99 - 12:19 PM (#63773) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: AlistairUK I forgot the last verse:
Now the year has passed away cast away your sins, There's lots of loverly new ones when another year begins. wassail etc. |
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17 Mar 99 - 12:30 PM (#63775) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: ANIMATERRA There's an Apple Tree Wasssail that goes: Old apple tree we'll wassail thee and hoping thou wilt bear The Lord does know where we shall be to be merry another year To blow well and to bear well so merry let us be Let every man take up his cup, here's health to the old apple tree! (spoken): Apples all! Hats full! caps full! barrels full! barn floors full! And a little heap under the stairs! We used to sing this in the Christmas Revels; I believe it was a New Years' tradition but I can't remember where. |
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17 Mar 99 - 12:37 PM (#63776) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: j0_77 Thnkyou Ian - I am informed but still wondering. Why go Caroling in Apple Orchards? There are no hoses there usually. Perhaps there used be houses in them? :) Thankyou A - love the lyric - tis well I recall the happy times - good ale good company - Never became a Scrumpy fan - guess I lived in the wrong place.
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17 Mar 99 - 01:53 PM (#63787) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: hotspur I always understood that the apple tree wassail was a sort of toast so that the tree would bear fruit the next year--that is, they actually sang to the tree(very Earth religion sort of thing.) In those days the words "hardy perennial" were obviously not in their vocabulary...I imagine this ritual was similar to "conjuring summer" which had to be done every spring to be assured that the warm weather would come. It's a good thing we don't live in such a state of uncertainty! |
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17 Mar 99 - 02:51 PM (#63793) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: ADeane Living as we do on the borders of Somerset and Devon I can assure everyone that wassailing is still practised here. It is traditionally held on 17th January, the old New Year's Day. It is irretrievably linked with cider orchards where toast is put in the branches of the apple trees and shotguns are fired over the trees to frighten the evil spirits away. Originally the wassailing was meant to ensure a good crop for the following year. The Morris Men in these parts also have a wassail dance and sing the Apple Tree Wassail as part of the dance. Wassailing should not be linked to Christmas as the two are quite separate. Also wassailing is a very good excuse to have a sesion in the pub afterwards! Hope this throws a little more light on the matter. ADeane in Devon UK |
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17 Mar 99 - 03:52 PM (#63807) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: j0_77 Thankyou - Fills in the missing bits. Sounds like the term refers to both Caroling at Christmas time and Wassailing 'proper'. It must be fun putting toast in the trees :) I'm a devoted wassailer from this day. Hugzzzzz |
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17 Mar 99 - 06:24 PM (#63837) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: katlaughing The database here has a song titled, "Somerset Wassailing". |
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17 Mar 99 - 07:46 PM (#63865) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Ronn Being something of troglodyte where this stuff is concerned, before reading this thread, I only knew of wassail as a beverage. Being from Milwaukee, I find beverage lore to be fascinating, found a recipe, and modernized it. Friends from the British Isles have told me that I did well. 1/2 cup sugar 1 cup water 3 lemon slices 2 cinnamon sticks 2 cups red wine 2 cups brandy 2 cups rum 2 cups cranberry juice 1 cup fresh (preferably)or frozen lemon juice Make a simple syrup with the water and sugar and boil for 5 minutes with the lemon slices and cinnamon sticks. Strain and set aside. In a large pot, combine the remaining ingredients and warm over low heat. Stir in the syrup. Serve warm garnished with the lemon slices. There are probably more authentic ways to do it, but this is easy enough. And a damned site easier to find in these parts than poteen. |
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17 Mar 99 - 08:34 PM (#63884) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Guy Wolff As a traditional potter it would be fun to add that Iv'e heard Wassail means.."To give health" And that a wassail bowl looked like a very big wide mug with alot of handles for passing around.{Also called a "Possit",as is the drink in some countys} You did not take a drink without making a toast or "giving health"So in a way it sounds like a very early vertion of our Thanksgiving though maybe abit more alcaholic.These wassail bowls can be found in alot of great ceramic collections around the UK. I'm shore Peter Strong at Wetheriggs Pottery Nr. Penrith Cumbria could make a good late eighteenth century Slip trailed beauty for anyone interested....It is a great game by the way ...Not being aloud to take a drink without making some kind of thankyou for something of that year...You end up thanking whomever for the tree out side your house ...Ah well the sixties were a long time ago...Cheers to all ..Guy ........................ |
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18 Mar 99 - 04:14 AM (#63954) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Ian Jo Part of a fertility rite. They are prevalent all over England, like Plough Monday in East Anglia, where the farming is arable. |
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18 Mar 99 - 05:32 PM (#64088) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Art Thieme Comes from an old song out of Yarmouth that goes something like:
Wa, wa, wa, wasailin---sailing with whales, (anybody wanna try?) Art |
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18 Mar 99 - 07:12 PM (#64106) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: RaginPagan (inactive) As indicated earlier, this tradition of old England is still practised in a traditional format. It is also worth keeping in mind that it is also being adopted (and moulded a bit) by certain parts of the emerging English Pagan community at the moment (along with many other traditions associated with alcohol). |
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13 Dec 99 - 10:11 AM (#148757) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: cbladey@mail.bcpl.net Anyone Have the lyrics to the "Kipper Family Wassail" the available snippet is: The Kipper Family used to do a wonderful wassailling song. Here's a snippet: Wassail Wassail I'll tell yer wassail, It comes in bottles brown and pale, It comes in bottles so bring some here And we'll have a happy new year Here we come a wassailling all amongst the leaves Which isn't very easy when they're still all on the trees Wassail etc. Pouring cider on the apple tree seems rather wrong We'll drink it first and then we'll water the trees before too long. Wassail etc.
Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. Conrad |
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13 Dec 99 - 10:14 AM (#148758) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: cbladey@mail.bcpl.net Ok its the trunch wassail and in the database! Conrad |
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13 Dec 99 - 10:34 AM (#148769) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: MMario I will have to go looking, but somewhere I saw a very learned and well documented article that pointed out the the "wassail" custom (like quite a few others) does not appear to have a history that extends back before the early 1800's. Evidently there were quite a few people who practically made a profession out of thinking up and diseminating "traditional" rituals of all kinds, which society of those days took up in fads... anyway -- in my opinion 150 plus years is still enough to make something "traditional" so what the heck. |
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13 Dec 99 - 10:56 AM (#148775) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Blackcat2 To me, one of the interesting things about Wassailing is the mixture of the two Pagan holidays Yule and Samhain (Hallowe'en) when it comes to the "door to door" bit. In my group of friends in Orlando Florida, there seems to be an inability on the part of some people to accept the concept that people used to go door to door at bothe Hallowe'en and Yule (this comes up each year when we dust off our Winter holiday music and "A-Soulin'" is immediately thrown in the mix even though it directly references Hallowe'en. The biggest problem seems to be the lyric similarity between Here We Come A-Caroling and A-Soulin'. Of course the strange thing is that the same people who have a hard time accepting the concept of people going door-to-door for both Yule and Hallowe'en actually go door-to-door with their kids on Hallowe'en trick or treating. For those of us who are Pagan, it feels very weird to sing A-Soulin' at a Winter concert. pax yall |
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13 Dec 99 - 11:45 AM (#148792) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: AnTirKitten Is that A-soulin as sung by Peter, Paul and Mary on "Travelling"? The one that starts off with "Hey, ho, nobody home/Meat nor drink nor money have I none/Yet I will be merry"??? And as a devout Pagan myself, singing to trees to make them bear much fruit actually seems to make sense to me *s*. Other cultures have much weirder customs... Cat who took a LOT of Latin American History and culture courses way back when |
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13 Dec 99 - 12:01 PM (#148800) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: Blackcat2 Hey there - yes that's the song, but be careful - the beginning "Hey Ho" . . . actually is a fragment of another song. But A-Soulin' talks about Soul Cakes which seem to be similar to the "deadheads" that some South/Central American people make (as does my friend Mary) for All Soul's night/Day of the Dead. It's totall disconnected from Yuletide though there are definately similarities to the festivities. |
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13 Dec 99 - 12:54 PM (#148819) Subject: RE: Wassail ? What is it ... From: AnTirKitten Hmmm. Okay. I've also heard the "Hey ho" round used in a cycle of rounds that goes (in order) Rose, rose, rose, rose Will I ever see thee wed? I will marry as I will, Sire As I will Hey ho, nobody home, Meat nor drink nor money Have I none, yet I will be merry Ah poor bird, take thy flight Far across the shadows Of this dark night *note* All of the above are in Rise up Singing which is my pride and joy :) The song Rose is French originally and if there's enough interest, I'll post the French lyrics :) Cat |
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