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16 Jan 07 - 07:55 PM (#1938927) Subject: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,Jimlad Why do Hull RL sing 'Old Faithful' and Why are Leeds RL called 'Loiners' I am not saying who I support but we do like our Pies |
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16 Jan 07 - 07:59 PM (#1938933) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Rapparee I support the NZ All-Blacks. I like a winning team. |
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17 Jan 07 - 03:25 AM (#1939128) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: mandotim Rapaire; have you noticed that the All Blacks seem to field two more players than most Rugby League teams? No wonder they keep winning... Tim ;) |
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17 Jan 07 - 04:07 AM (#1939145) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Sttaw Legend Old Faithful a club chant of Hull FC rugby league club, was made popular in the early 1930's when Hull had a full back called Joe Oliver. Oliver, who was the team goal kicker, was so dependable with the boot that the crowd at one match spontaneously started singing the Gene Autry song, with slightly altered lyrics, 'Old Faithful' at him. Hull supporters adopted the song as their battle cry from then on. Lyrics Old faithful, we roam the range together, Old Faithful in any kind of weather, When the round up days are over, And the boulevard's white with clover, For you old faithful pal of mine. Giddy up old fella cos the moon is yellow tonight, Giddy up old fella cos the moon is mellow & bright, Theres a coyote crying at the moon above, Carry me back to the one I love, And you, old faithful pal of mine. |
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17 Jan 07 - 05:26 AM (#1939187) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,jimlad Rapaire. All Blacks?. Are they the ones who do the funny dance and grimace as though constipated before going on to get beaten. GB are so confident of beating your lot that at the next meeting our subs bench will include Elsie,Winnie,Mary and Gladys all tea ladies from the Worlds most successful RL team ever.Whose club song is.................. Wigan rugby league best in all the land. Going down to Wem-bil-ee ( AGAIN 'forte') and singing with the band. At home we are unbeatable,away we rule supreme. So come along and join the lads and Wigan rugby team. Now you Saints,Bulls and Loiners watch us go this coming season!!!!. Nobby Noble is out to get you!. |
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17 Jan 07 - 10:27 AM (#1939445) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Scrump Jimlad, you must be a Wigginer :-) But I thought you were Scottish (or is that a different Jim Lad?)That's the trouble with you guests, it's difficult to tell you apart. |
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17 Jan 07 - 10:36 AM (#1939457) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Leadfingers Rap - There are TWO religions in Rugby - League and Union - The All Blacks play in the other lot with fifteen men a side , NOT League with but Thirteen ! |
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17 Jan 07 - 12:21 PM (#1939556) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: gnu Hey... don't blame Rap. He probably has the same problem as I do. You can't really follow rugby here because it is not regularly on radio, on TV, or in the papers. It is only since I have been on the net that I can TRY TO follow the leagues, unions, tournaments, tests, caps... whatever. Worse than Yankee College (University?) football! And they all have different rules. And the rules can change depending on the referee and on how he happens to feel on any particular day. Organized sport me arse! Go Lions! (Just an example.) |
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17 Jan 07 - 02:24 PM (#1939687) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,jimlad Scrump I am actually a Bowtoner but saw the light on Good Friday 1984 when I ended a 32 year affair with BWFC who on that day lost to Wigan Athletic in their first year in the football league. Traumatised is not sufficient to describe my mood. So I was given a free transfer to the Pie-Eaters. Never looked back mate! I have never been mistaken for a 'Jocko' but am frequently mistaken for George Clooney or are they saying George Formby? |
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18 Jan 07 - 02:00 PM (#1940746) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: gnu Soooo... I figured my post might evoke a response from some knowledgible rugby fan who would explain in detail the various leagues, unions, tournaments, tests, caps... whatever. Seriously, anybody out there care to take the time to educate a couple of ferriners as to what it's all about? If not, no sweat. I realize it's a tedious job. |
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18 Jan 07 - 05:49 PM (#1940998) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Les from Hull I think the original difference was between the strict amateurs of the Rugby Union and the Rugby League, a breakaway group of clubs in the North of England, who wanted to be able to pay their players. Since the split the rules of each game have varied slightly, and the rules tend to alter more from season to season. Rugby Union is now professional, but the two rules for the two 'codes' have become quite different. The skills are basically the same and players can move between the two codes. One of the main differences is that Rugby Union has 15 players on the field at the same time and Rugby League 13. Another main difference is that when a player with the ball is tackled in Rugby Union he releases the ball and play continues, and in League play stops, the players get onside and then play then resumes (more like in what we call American Football). But there are many other differences and the rules tend to change slightly each season, making it somewhat harder to understand. Again originally Rugby League had a league structure, divided into 'divisions'. Each club would play each other a certain number of times throughout the season, accumulating points to see who was the best, with the possibility of being promoted into a higher division, or being demoted into a lower one. There was also a Challenge Cup, played by clubs from all the divisions on a knockout basis. This season the top league (the Superleague) has been joined by Hull Kingston Rovers, so my home City now has two teams in the top league (the other is Hull FC). Rugby Union clubs used to organise their own fixtures with no fixed league system and would play just a number of one-off matches. Now both codes have leagues, and knockout Cups. Major Rugby-playing nations have national sides for both codes. National teams play a series of Tests against another national team that is touring the home country. There are periodic World Cup competitions. And both codes are played by local, amateur teams. Socially, there used to be quite a difference between Rugby League (played and supported by working-class lads up North) and Rugby Union (played and supported by posh folk down South). But I have always lived up North and played Union at school 'cos I went to a posh school (can't you tell?). Of course anything anyone can write about Rugby and its differences in a small space must be sort of limiting, and I don't consider myself a Rugby fan at all, being much more partial to the game played by the 'flanneled fools' (cricket), than the 'muddied oafs' (football). Now cricket would take even more explaining... |
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18 Jan 07 - 06:57 PM (#1941053) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,jimlad Les from Hull Well go on then explain Cricket and if you live long enough the 'off-side rule' in foot ball my wife awaits the latter explanation. Ta Lad |
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18 Jan 07 - 07:20 PM (#1941071) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Les from Hull The first rule of cricket is - you do not talk about cricket. And the offside rule is simple. A player is deemed to be offside when the assistant referee says he is, unless the referee overrules him. Tada! |
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19 Jan 07 - 12:56 PM (#1941711) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: gnu Thank you Les! That goes a long way toward explaining things. Cricket? Well, we don't get enough rugby televised here. How much cricet do you imagine we get? One half hour per week summary at most! It's far better than Yankee baseball, but, then again, any sport that can't be watched to full time in the time it takes to drink a case of beer ain't gonna fly here. Thank goodness we get a couple of English Premirership football games per week.... live! Yes, we get French, German, Italian, Spanish, and some others, too, but.... eeeh. Now. Why did the uniforms of goal judges in Aussie rules change to Yankee style? I mean, gosh, "baseball caps" instead of those jaunty... ah.. er... whatever the hell those things are called? And, golf shirts instead of suit jackets and ties? |
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19 Jan 07 - 01:40 PM (#1941747) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: Big Al Whittle When my Dad returned to his job as a policeman after the war, he found that he was banned from playing for the police's rugby union team because he had before the war been on the books of St Helens rugby league team, and had played one or two games for them. However during the war he had been allowed to play union for the army team. The police were obviously a bit snootier about it. The class rules about gentlemen and professional players were applied with a good deal of vindictiveness. |
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20 Jan 07 - 07:15 AM (#1942351) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,buspassed My wife's late Uncle had the best theory I've ever heard about Hull RLFC supporters adopting the cowboy song 'Old Faithful' as their anthem. He would explain "Why! It was the onny bloody record they 'ad and they played it 'ovver and 'ovver again on the loudspeakers so every booger joined in!!! I think SL's explanation is nearer the reality! Tirrils Brewery in Cumbria do a fine ale named 'Old Faithful' and the eccentric Scots cyclist Graeme Obree named the bicycle he designed, built and rode to take the world 1 hour record, 'Old Faithful'. Apart from that, I know nothing on the subject! |
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20 Jan 07 - 08:57 AM (#1942407) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: mandotim Just to echo what WLD was saying; wartime seemed to suddenly remove some of the snootiness of the Rugby Union types. My dad was a professional, playing as a hooker for Huddersfield and Oldham. He played for Western Approaches, and then the Navy during the war. After the war he went back to Rugby League, saying that Union wasn't really a man's game, as nobody appeared to know how to tackle. I played both codes as a schoolboy, and was denied a place in the Lancashire Schools Rugby Union side because I played amateur Rugby League for my local team. As you say, it was quite vindictive in those days, but only one way; there was never a problem with Union players playing League. Guest jimlad; for your wife, and explanation of the offside rule... You're in a shoe shop, second in the queue for the till. Behind the shop assistant on the till is a pair of shoes which you have seen and which you must have. The female shopper in front of you has seen them also and is eyeing them with desire. Both of you have forgotten your purses. It would be totally rude to push in front of the first woman if you had no money to pay for the shoes. The shop assistant remains at the till waiting. Your friend is trying on another pair of shoes at the back of the shop and sees your dilemma. She prepares to throw her purse to you. If she does so, you can catch the purse, then walk round the other shopper and buy the shoes. At a pinch she could throw the purse ahead of the other shopper and, *whilst it is in flight* you could nip around the other shopper, catch the purse and buy the shoes. Always remembering that until the purse had *actually been thrown* it would be plain wrong to be forward of the other shopper. But if there is another friend casually leaning against the counter are they interfering with the purchase? Tim ;) |
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20 Jan 07 - 09:08 AM (#1942414) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: gnu "Casually" is the operative word. Now, if the shop assistant deems that the friend is TOO casual, that is, not making a reasonable effort to get clear, yes. If it is the opposite, the friend still may be deemed to be interfering, but, may not be penalized if deemed to have not intentionally ineterfered, but did actually interfere. At such a point, while the opponent shopper may not be given a purse, she may be given advantage, such that.... ooo , my head hurts... |
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20 Jan 07 - 11:14 AM (#1942495) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,jimlad |
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20 Jan 07 - 11:37 AM (#1942520) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: GUEST,jimlad mandotim Thank you for the explanation and for putting in the way my spouse can understand. She is a Superstar Shopper and has been known to drive a 120 miles round trip,petrol cost about £12 and saved £3.99 on a coat. Once on holiday in Portugal we called for lunch in a mountain village. There was only one other person in there,a lady. They greeted each other using first name terms. Later I asked who the stranger was and was told she was the lady from the returns counter in M & S. in Our home town Bolton ,Lancashire aka 'Gods Country' My daughter fell foul of the of-side rule precisely as you described it but went one further by vociferously arguing with the Shop Assistant,Store Detective and k**bhead of a woman fellow shopper. Consequently she is serving a 6 month ban from Asda. |
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20 Jan 07 - 01:18 PM (#1942583) Subject: RE: BS: Rugby League From: gnu Now, what if a friend of the opponent shopper were to get in line with the opponent shopper by joining her, as if "cutting into the line"? Would the friend be said to be "coming in from the side" and thereby subject to sanction by the shop assistant, even though not technically offside? |