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23 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM (#1945541) Subject: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Scrump Here, I just found a better traditional song I wrote myself. I think I'll record it instead: BONNY WHITE HARE (trad arr Scrump; lyrics © Scrump) On the 14th of May, at the end of the day With me trusty old fiddle to the pub I did stray In search of the craic with the company there And hark to the song of the bonny white hare I heard an old man there a-singing a song On an old ukulele while folk sang along Says I to myself, that's a fine melody One day I will sing it myself, you shall see And then the old man told a tale so weird Of an old local legend that had me afeared About a strange creature that lived in a lair On the moor, 'twas the home of the bonny white hare With ten pints of scrumpy inside me that night I walked 'cross the moor in the pale moonlight As I passed by the tor in the darkness I stared And what should I see but the bonny white hare This sight made me sober, and chilled to the bone I took to my heels and ran all the way home I never forgot what I saw that night there And remembered the song of the bonny white hare (instrumental break) Now many years later, a much wiser man To search for ideas for a song I began The legend to haunt me and fill me with care Was the song and the tale of the bonny white hare I couldn't remember a note of the tune So I took out me fiddle and started to croon To forget the original tune was a pity But I played a few notes and soon wrote a nice ditty The story to me now was wholly unknown I'd forgotten the words, so I made up me own They told of what happened out in the night air The night I encountered the bonny white hare Now news of my song reached a man that I know Who was looking for songs for his radio show He said that's the song I'll put out on the air The traditional song of the bonny white hare I tried to explain that 'twas I wrote the song And the end of the stick that he had was all wrong. But he didn't hear me, he just said "Great chords! We're putting this up for the next folk awards!" Well what could I do, it was too late to change My story is ended but it's very strange, How I got the award for traditional track But it's there on me shelf and I can't give it back. © Scrump |
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23 Jan 07 - 11:31 AM (#1945548) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: GUEST Absolutely brilliant. Really very good indeed - well done! and the tune? |
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23 Jan 07 - 11:41 AM (#1945563) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: IanC Bonny Black Hare, I think. |
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23 Jan 07 - 11:48 AM (#1945576) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Andy Jackson Tee Hee How very singable |
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23 Jan 07 - 11:58 AM (#1945592) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Pete_Standing I'll put me hat on sir, so I can take it off to you! There are some folks "elsewhere" who would just love to see this! |
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23 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM (#1945775) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Folkiedave Why not send it to Smooth Ops and see if they will play it on the Mike Harding Show? |
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23 Jan 07 - 02:48 PM (#1945778) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: greg stephens Get Deth Lakeman to record it, I should, and it'll be a certainty for next year's trad award. |
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23 Jan 07 - 06:42 PM (#1946024) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Tim theTwangler lol Thats better! |
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23 Jan 07 - 06:46 PM (#1946031) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Richard Bridge Surely the tune is Villikins and his Dinah? |
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23 Jan 07 - 06:51 PM (#1946043) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Folkiedave Certainly fits Richard - but Bonny Black Hare is better, (I suspect it is a variant). |
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24 Jan 07 - 04:05 AM (#1946327) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: stallion a real hoot, brilliant! |
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24 Jan 07 - 04:09 AM (#1946329) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Keith A of Hertford Bloody funny! I hope they are following all this. |
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24 Jan 07 - 04:18 AM (#1946331) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Scrump Tune? Give me a chance - I've only just written the words! :-) Yes, I started out with the idea of a parody of Bonny Black Hare of course, but somehow it took on a life of its own. There are probably many tunes that would fit, but adhering to the true spirit of traditional songs, I intend to compose my own tune as soon as I get time. :-) Thanks for the kind comments, folks. |
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24 Jan 07 - 05:26 AM (#1946378) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: stallion Why don't you sing it to "Wild Rover" add a chorus and then claim it to be truly traditional! Next years awards are beckoning! |
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24 Jan 07 - 05:27 AM (#1946379) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: stallion |
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24 Jan 07 - 05:28 AM (#1946383) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: stallion I forgot to add a ps Then every person in the land will be able to amble into a session and ask if we can sing "The Bonny White Hare"! |
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24 Jan 07 - 05:32 AM (#1946387) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Dave Hanson If you get Deth Lakeman to record it, he will have forgotten who wrote it in five minutes and then John Leonard will swear it's traditional, come to think of it I'm sure I heard this song in a pub when I was two days old so it must be traditional. eric |
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24 Jan 07 - 05:35 AM (#1946391) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: John MacKenzie We are the Cheeky Girls fits it too! We could get Lembit Opik to sing it, and claim it as a translation of an ancient Lithuanian fertility song! Giok |
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24 Jan 07 - 04:44 PM (#1947001) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Gizmo Well done Scrump. I love it.The words cheeky were entering my head too Giok come to think of it. I'll join you scrump with some scrumpy of me own. |
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25 Jan 07 - 03:32 AM (#1947352) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Scrump Well, I gave it its first airing last night at our singaround and it seemed to go down OK with those present. Now all I need to do is record it and flog loads of CDs :-) I see someone has mentioned it on the BBC folk discussion group too, so maybe it will get noticed by those in high places there (but I won't hold my breath!) |
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25 Jan 07 - 04:24 AM (#1947366) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: AlexB Did you use your own tune in the end? I'd love to hear it sung, so please do record it. |
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25 Jan 07 - 06:23 AM (#1947437) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Scrump Mad Person, thanks for asking. I haven't had time yet to write my own tune properly. Last night I sang it to a mish-mash of tunes, based on various other songs with similar structure (Bonny Black Hare being one of them). In other words, I made it up as I went along and I doubt I could do it exactly the same way again. (Yes, I'd like to record it with our fiddler, who's a Seth Lakeman fan and can do some good impressions of his style. Unfortunately there wasn't time to forewarn her last night, although she was present. The problem is finding the time, and it will be past its sell by date very soon - be good fun though!). |
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25 Jan 07 - 06:41 AM (#1947444) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: John MacKenzie Seriously though it would work to the tune of Cruisin' Round Yarmouth, perhaps a wee nonsense chorus would add to the authenticity, something like Rumbletum tumbletum folk family Rumbletum tumbletum, BB bloody C Giok |
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25 Jan 07 - 07:53 AM (#1947487) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Pete_Standing As part of the "folk process" I have taken a traditional song and adapted it to tell the life of Annie Bonny I heard her in the channel, I heard her in the dead of night. The warning of a white skull Her guns burnished bright. Careful you don`t watch her Give her right of way. For she will look upon you, And steal your soul away For the white skull is calling, She's sailing in the night. She'll be out `til the morning light. Out upon the headland A shadow came onto me. Her hair was hanging over, Her face I could not see. She ran behind the rocks, I heard the gulls cry, The image of a woman With head she held up high. For the white skull is calling, She's sailing in the night. She'll be out `til the morning With her guns burnished bright. The white skull is calling you. If you go pulling, Going through the spray, If you see a fair maid, Her hair an ash and grey, Careful you don`t watch her, Give her right of way, For she will look upon you, And steal your soul away For the white skull is calling, She's sailing in the night. She'll be out `til the morning, With her guns burnished bright. The white skull is calling you. You can her her calling every night You can her her calling every night You can her her calling every night |
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25 Jan 07 - 07:59 AM (#1947490) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: John MacKenzie Bright Eyes Is it a kind of a dream Floating out on the tide Following the river of death downstream Oh is it a dream There's a fog along the horizon A strange glow in the sky And nobody seems to know where it goes And what does it mean Ohoh is it a dream Bright eyes, burning like fire Bright eyes, how can you close and fail How can the light that burned so brightly Suddenly burn so pale Bright eyes Is it a kind of a shadow Reaching into the night Wandering over the hills unseen Or is it a dream There's a high wind in the trees A cold sound in the air And nobody ever knows when you go And where do you start Oh into the dark Bright eyes, burning like fire Bright eyes, how can you close and fail How can the light that burned so brightly Suddenly burn so pale Bright eyes Bright eyes, burning like fire Bright eyes, how can you close and fail How can the light that burned so brightly Suddenly burn so pale Bright eyes. Could we perhaps sing this in the background of Scrumps Trad Song, and call it something like Black and White Hare Canticle? Giok |
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25 Jan 07 - 10:17 AM (#1947585) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Lizzie Cornish Tell me something....I'm intrigued! IF Dick Gaughan had recording The White Hare...or Martin Carthy...would there be the same sense of outrage amongst The Moaning Minnies I wonder???? Far be it from me to suggest that this is being stretched beyond the endurance of a Saint....merely because it happens to involve Seth Lakeman.... Oh no no no no no no no no......Yes! Lizzie |
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25 Jan 07 - 10:38 AM (#1947618) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: John MacKenzie One would have thought that both the gentlemen mentioned had better taste Lizzie. G. |
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25 Jan 07 - 10:49 AM (#1947629) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Lizzie Cornish Better taste than what???????????????????? |
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25 Jan 07 - 10:51 AM (#1947636) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: John MacKenzie Than whom. |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:01 AM (#1947645) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: GUEST Lizzie, if either Gaughan or Carthy had written new song and it had been selected for consideration in the "traditional song" category then I'm sure there would have been just as much of a fuss. It's calling an apple an orange that people get outraged about, not about SL. |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:02 AM (#1947646) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: The Borchester Echo Martin Carthy did record The White Hare on But Two Came By in 1968. Long before some silly little boy decided to write a pop song using the same title and some tune he may or may not have heard in a pub, which somehow prompted an idiotic, outsourced production company to bring the BBC Folk Awards into disrepute by trying to pass it off as trad. It'll all end in tears. Hopefully. |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM (#1947651) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Lizzie Cornish >>>One would have thought that both the gentlemen mentioned had better taste Lizzie.<<< Actually, Smarty Pants...you inferred, incorrectly, by your grammar, that both Martin and Dick had better taste me. Yikes Smiley!!!!! See what can happen when one leaves one's comma out! ;0) Shall we try that again then MacKenzie? >>>One would have thought that both the gentlemen mentioned had better taste, Lizzie ;0) Better taste than WHAT MacKenzie? ;0) |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:09 AM (#1947655) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: John MacKenzie Is it true you're riding a new BMW motor bike Lizzie? |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:11 AM (#1947657) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Lizzie Cornish >>>>Long before some silly little boy decided to write a pop song using the same title and some tune he may or may not have heard in a pub, which somehow prompted an idiotic, outsourced production company to bring the BBC Folk Awards into disrepute by trying to pass it off as trad. It'll all end in tears. Hopefully. <<<< By 'some silly little boy' are you meaning Seth Lakeman, man in his late 20's? Son of Geoff....Cornishman from Penzance land of The White Hare....Drinker in Dartmoor pubs where music is still played by many older people, who like to pass things down to the next generation? And tell me Countess...isn't our lovely Jim Causley even younger than Seth Lakeman? As is the lovely Jackie Oates too.... I do hope you're not a Narrow-Minded, Bitter Ol' Traddie being patronizing to younger people! Tish, tish! However...I'm right with you on ********* Smooth Ops...not over The White Hare, but for many other things.. They couldn't organise a whatsit in a thingyummyjig in my opinion! Heck...they don't even respond to emails! AND their Customer Care Manager has had been holding two fingers up to his er...customers for years and years on their site...until just a few weeks ago. Arrogant or what? |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:19 AM (#1947665) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Lizzie Cornish >>>Is it true you're riding a new BMW motor bike Lizzie?<<< Would someone please tell that idiotic, holier than thou, goodytwoshoes twit of a woma, from The Ministry Of Wrecks And We OWN EVERYTHING' that she is in the land of The Wreckers down here! Doesn't she know that Wrecker's Blood runs through our veins...and it matters not if it's a BMW bike, a box of oranges or 75 years of 'newborn' nappies...A WRECK IS A WRECK and it's cargo belongs to the people of The West Country!!!!!!!!!! AND....WHY have the dictators who run this country got The Coastguards patrolling Branscombe Beach...telling those naughty people that they'll all be transported if they dare to take anything home with them????? I mean.....we only have about 6 coastguards left in the country don't we...and now..NOW they're all on Branscombe Beach!!! Someone get Seth to write a song about it.... Rumour has it that two Wandering Minstrels were to be seen up on Salcombe Hill that night...with their lanterns swaying and their voices ringing out over the waiting town....... "Give us a wreck O Lord...." And...if you go on to eBay...the UK one...and put Branscombe in the 'search' ....you'd be surprised what you can find! ;0) Although eBay keeps removing the items.... Right..I'm just off for a spin around the town MacKenzie...care to hop on the back? ;0) |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:19 AM (#1947666) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Scrump I'd just like to make it clear that I like Seth Lakeman, and although this parody might poke fun at the song, he is by no means the target. To me, the only issue is that a song which by no stretch of the imagination (unless your name happens to be John Leonard, who seems to be able to stretch his further than anyone else I know) can Seth's song (which even he says he wrote himself) be called a traditional song. If a song written by Dick Gaughan or Martin Carthy or anyone else had been nominated for "best traditional track" I would have been just as keen to make the same point. As I say, I happen to like Seth, having seen him and his excellent band several times live. He's a nice young lad and has real talent, and is a good entertainer to boot. I know there are some people here who don't agree, and they're free to dislike him and his songs, just as we all are free to choose who and what we listen to. The issue is nothing to do with any bias against the artist (Seth in this case), just upholding the principle that a song written recently by a known author cannot be called 'traditional' - as John Leonard's own definition of the term last week confirmed. |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:22 AM (#1947670) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: The Borchester Echo Had Giok said (which he didn't) that DG and MC had better taste than lizziecornish, that would not only have been patently true but an implication. The inference, wrongly drawn though apposite, came from lizziecornish herself. In other words (for the benefit of the thick), whoever makes the statement implies, those hearing it may infer. This simple concept is clearly, however, beyond those unable to distinguish the newly-composed from the traditional. Aaaaaahhhhhh. |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:31 AM (#1947681) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: The Borchester Echo Dear BMW Rider The actual point is that Lakeperson Junior (of Harrow, NW London) penned a ditty with the same title, The White Hare as one Mr Carthy (Trad/Arr) recorded in 1968. I have the utmost confidence that neither Jim Causley nor Jackie Oates (fine Exeter residents) would do anything so silly, or allow Smoothops to degrade their work. |
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25 Jan 07 - 12:42 PM (#1947758) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Ruth Archer "Doesn't she know that Wrecker's Blood runs through our veins..." what - in Pinner? |
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25 Jan 07 - 12:50 PM (#1947767) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Ruth Archer "it matters not if it's a BMW bike, a box of oranges or 75 years of 'newborn' nappies" and what about the personal possessions of someone who's recently moved abroad, who has the misfortune to watch a bunch of crazed, materialistic scavengers going through their belongings on the telly? Get Seth to write a song about it indeed... |
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25 Jan 07 - 01:31 PM (#1947804) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Pete_Standing Both Dick and Martin have recorded some turkeys. The issue is not the quality or who did it, the issue is the validity of of a song for an award. There are plenty of people who like Seth's work who are not happy about his song being included in the category. |
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25 Jan 07 - 03:16 PM (#1947915) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Folkiedave Me for example. |
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25 Jan 07 - 07:22 PM (#1948112) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Kevin Sheils Yes, if Lizzie actually read and understood what was being discussed we might all have a more pleasant experience here on the web (including Lizzie) but sadly I doubt that will actually happen. |
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25 Jan 07 - 11:19 PM (#1948270) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Sorcha BTW, Lizzie, how's Sam? |
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26 Jan 07 - 04:33 AM (#1948389) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: GUEST Get Seth to wrote a song about the scavengers on Branscombe beach eh ! I expect that would be a traditional song then Lizzie ? eric |
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26 Jan 07 - 04:38 AM (#1948395) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Folkiedave Why not? It deals with a traditional subject. As I came down from Middlesborough To get a BMWoroguh To steal and rob and take things that are not mine And litter a National Heritage Coast Near to where a famous folk festival is held I think I will give up songwriting and leave it to Seth. He's good at it....... |
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26 Jan 07 - 05:38 AM (#1948440) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: GUEST,old git nice to see lizzie has lost none of her tact ,diplomacy and unbiased assessment of the topic under discussion |
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26 Jan 07 - 06:44 AM (#1948477) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Ruth Archer She's left the building...since she realised how many containers of cosmetics have washed up, she's too busy combing the beach for sparkly face glitter and Age Renew foundation. |
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27 Jan 07 - 01:07 PM (#1949749) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: GUEST,squeezeboxhp the parody was brilliant and does fit the wild rover tune heaven forbid. but villikins and his dinha is good too |
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27 Jan 07 - 01:37 PM (#1949773) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Folkiedave Why Ruth, that is very harsh. Fair, but harsh...... |
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27 Jan 07 - 02:43 PM (#1949827) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Enjoyed "Bonny White Hare." More digression Salvage has been a traditional coastal occupation since time immemorable ial? (sp?); songs need to be composed about this latest wreck. These were commercial containers, no used personal nappies (diapers) involved. Shots of the barrels of wine being corraled made me want to book a flight and join in the fun. |
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28 Jan 07 - 07:24 AM (#1950250) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Ruth Archer Q, there have been a few news reports of people who were emigrating, whose whole lives were in a couple of those containers. And they watched in horror on TV as their personal possessions were plundered. It would be like watching someone rob your house. |
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28 Jan 07 - 06:18 PM (#1950754) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Folkiedave Can we just get it clear - these were not locals doing a bit of beach combing. The locals were having their gardens trampled over by people from all over GB who came to steal. Two blokes from Middlesbrough came to steal motor bikes. Hardly traditional. But even if it was then is shouldn't have been allowed. Bull-baiting and dog-fighting are traditional. Doesn't mean to say we should be in favour of them nowadays. That last word was there to indicate I am not condemning those who did it long ago when social circumstances were different. |
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30 Jan 07 - 06:56 AM (#1952190) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Bonny White Hare (trad. arr. Scrump) From: Scrump Well, I've written a tune for it now. Not sure how I can write it down as I don't know ABC notation. As befits a traditional song like this one, the tune's similar to a lot of other tunes, but I hope not quite the same as any of them. (But knowing my luck, there will be some b*gg*r who recognises it as a tune I hadn't heard, and say I copied it from a "real" traditional tune.) |