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Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic

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TEDDY BEARS PICNIC
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Teddy Bear's Picnic


BillE 28 Nov 07 - 06:04 AM
GUEST 21 Feb 10 - 04:30 PM
GUEST 21 Feb 10 - 06:38 PM
GUEST,EBarnacle 21 Feb 10 - 07:20 PM
GUEST,FloraG 22 Feb 10 - 03:37 PM
PoppaGator 22 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM
ersatz 05 Feb 11 - 02:56 PM
MGM·Lion 05 Feb 11 - 03:36 PM
GUEST,Loki sometimes 25 Jul 12 - 01:54 AM
Joe Offer 25 Jul 12 - 02:21 AM
GUEST,Charles Macfarlane 25 Jul 12 - 06:48 AM
GUEST,Loki sometimes 25 Jul 12 - 01:14 PM
MGM·Lion 25 Jul 12 - 01:36 PM
Snuffy 26 Jul 12 - 09:09 AM
Joe Offer 28 Oct 17 - 01:29 AM
wysiwyg 28 Oct 17 - 05:43 AM
Tattie Bogle 28 Oct 17 - 05:59 AM
GUEST,Marcia Palmater 28 Oct 17 - 08:54 PM
BobL 29 Oct 17 - 02:57 AM
Leadfingers 29 Oct 17 - 12:34 PM
Joe_F 29 Oct 17 - 08:07 PM
GUEST,Marcia Palmater 30 Oct 17 - 07:42 PM
Jack Campin 01 Nov 17 - 05:08 AM
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Jack Campin 03 Nov 17 - 06:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: BillE
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 06:04 AM

During the war, my mother drove staff cars – among her passengers was Jimmy Kennedy - who wrote the "Teddy Bears Picnic", "Red Sails in the Sunset" and "On the Isle of Capri"

Bill


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 04:30 PM

I have an original picture disc teddy bear shaped teddy bears picnic on vinyl if anyone is interested in buying it make me an offer? it is selling on newtown records for £99!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 06:38 PM

All Things Considered on NPR had a story [Friday, Feb 18, 2010] about the Englishman who was apparently the original singer of the song before Crosby had a big hit with it. Good story about a quirky guy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST,EBarnacle
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 07:20 PM

Guest above is Yours Truly


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 03:37 PM

I played TBP as part of a fun set at the Barge pub in Gillingham when I knew they would have some german exchange visitors. The germans did not know it to my surprise. I think its a great tune but a sinister song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: PoppaGator
Date: 22 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM

I remember one line (only!) of a very juvenile parody some friends used to sing long long ago:

For "Watch them catch them unawares," substitute

"Watch them (or catch them) in their underwears."

I only hope that there was more to go alaong with this; if so, unfortunately, I don't rememeber...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: ersatz
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 02:56 PM

I have a Capitol 45 recording 72057 of Ann Stephens singing "The Original Hit Versions" of TBP and Christopher Robin. Passed along to us in the early 60's. Any offers?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 03:36 PM

From wikipedia, for interest:
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Ann Stephens (born 21 May 1931) was a British actress, popular in the 1950s. She was born in London. In July 1941 she recorded several songs including a setting of one of AA Milne's verses about Christopher Robin: "Changing Guard at Buckingham Palace" which often featured on the BBC Light Programme's Children's Favourites.
[edit]Selected filmography

Dear Octopus (1943)
They Were Sisters (1945)
The Upturned Glass (1947)
No Room at the Inn (1948)
The Franchise Affair (1951)
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This doesn't mention the Teddy Bears' Picnic record, which I well recall from late 40s. Remember also seeing her in film The Franchise Affair, from a novel by Josephine Tey [AKA playwright Gordon Daviot]: she gave a fine performance as the perjuring & vindictive tormentor of two innocent women, strangers she claimed had kidnapped and abused her just for a laugh. Good movie, I recall.

But what happened to her after that, I wonder? Her career seems to have come to a fullstop there. Anyone know?

~Michael~


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Subject: Origins: Teddy bear picnic?
From: GUEST,Loki sometimes
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 01:54 AM

Heard this song once when I was
A kid, it made me feel wired.
The tune, the words...just odd...

If anyone knows where this song
Came from, or what it means,
Please inform me thusly.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 02:21 AM

Hi, Loki -
I moved you over here to the longest thread we have on the song. I agree that there's something odd about this song. There's something about it that feels ominous to me.

The Great Song Thesaurus says that "Teddy Bears' Picnic" was published in 1913, written by John W. Bratton and James B. Kennedy. Wikipedia says the melody was composed by American composer John Walter Bratton in 1907, and the lyrics were written by Irish songwriter Jimmy Kennedy in 1932. I have yet to find convincing proof of either attribution - although this page makes me prefer the 1932 Jimmy Kennedy attribution for the lyrics. Here's the text from songfacts.com:
    Although it has a frivolous sounding title, this song is actually quite a sophisticated piece of classical music written in 6/8 time; it also has a rather complex history. The background to the whole teddy bear thing is outlined by Michèle Brown in The Little History Of The Teddy Bear.

    In 1834, Robert Southey wrote Goldilocks And The Three Bears; in 1894 a German toy company came up with a stuffed bear; in 1899, Margarete Steiff registered patents for twenty-three of her soft toy designs including a dancing bear; in November 1902, Morris Michtom sold the first Teddy Bear in his Brooklyn shop. The year 1906 saw the first advertisement for the "teddy bear", in the trade journal Playthings, and in 1907, a book called Teddy Bear was published; written by Alice Scott, illustrated by Sybil Scott Paley, and The Roosevelt Bears newspaper strip was published in book form.

    President Theodore Roosevelt (who was known by his childhood name of "Teedie") lies at the heart of the teddy bear craze. It was against this background that the American composer John W. Bratton wrote the music which was called initially "Teddy Bear Two-Step". This name did not last for long, and it soon became known as "The Teddy Bears' Picnic". Bratton (1867-1947) wrote perhaps two hundred and fifty songs, yet this is the only one for which he is remembered. Then along came Edith Harrhy. London-born Harrhy (1893-1969) studied at the Guildhall School Of Music; she would eventually emigrate to Australia where she held posts in theatrical and operatic groups; among her claims to fame was writing children's songs, as lyricist and/or composer. It appears to have been Bratton who came up with the title "Teddy Bears' Picnic", but Harrhy's lyrics - written under the pseudonym Ethel Wood - tell the story, although the word "picnic" does not actually appear in the song.

    There are numerous editions of the music. The National Library of Australia holds a copy in its on-line digital collection, words copyright 1939 by Allan & Co of Melbourne. What appears to be a copy of the original is held by the British Library; this is "The Teddy Bears Picnic" [no apostrophe], copyright M Witmark & Sons, stamped received by the British Museum, August 11, 1909; it was arranged for Brass Band by Warwick Williams. This edition contains an amusing note to the effect that: "A very good imitation of a bear's growling may be produced by fixing a slack Bassoon reed through a piece of cork cut to fit the mouthpiece of an E[flat] Bass, or a Euphonium."

    Another British Library holding, "The Teddy Bear's Picnic" [single apostrophe] arranged for Banjo by Robert Mahood, copyright 1908 by M Witmark, says this arrangement is copyrighted 1923.

    This is all well and good, but the definitive version has lyrics by Dublin University graduate Jimmy Kennedy. In an interview published in the first issue of The Songwriter, dated June 1937, Kennedy said the music was twenty years old when he put words to it. This date may not be quite accurate, but the Kennedy version was first recorded in 1932 by Henry Hall and his Orchestra with vocalist Val Rosing.

    In 1952, Kennedy published a children's poem The Story of the Teddy Bears' Picnic, credited by the Author of the famous Song "The Teddy Bears' Picnic". He appears to have been living in the United States at that time, because the self-published booklet was available from James Kennedy, 375 Park Avenue, New York at 1s6d or 20c; the same year, a coloured, fully illustrated version was published by the music publisher, B. Feldman of London.

    Another arrangement of the Kennedy version, by Andrew Carter, in the Oxford Choral Songs series credits it "Original words and melody [copyright] 1907 and 1947 by Warner Bros...": This arrangement copyright 1989, published by Oxford University Press, Music Department.

    "The Teddy Bears Picnic" has been widely recorded and used since the 1932 Henry Hall recording, as incidental music in TV series, commercials and films. The artists who have recorded it range from Bing Crosby to Jerry Garcia. It was also recited - as a poem - by Ian Gillan at the start of a live recording of "Bad Attitude". (thanks, Alexander Baron - London, England, for all above)


-Joe Offer, Mudcat Archivist-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST,Charles Macfarlane
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 06:48 AM

> From: GUEST,Allen
>
> Surpised nobody's mentioned the Nic Jones instrumental.

... and ...

> From: GUEST,pavane
>
> I think Nic's instrumental is mentioned in other threads

Yes, Nic Jones' rendition on solo guitar is a great piece of playing, but I think the best instrumental version that I've ever heard, by quite a long way, was the Dixieland version by Kenny Ball & His Jazzmen.

> From: BillE
>
> During the war, my mother drove staff cars

Mine was a WAAF driver, she drove lorries tho'. She really was a very good driver, by contrast my father was downright dangerous!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST,Loki sometimes
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 01:14 PM

Dear: Joe,
Yup, thats the word, ominous. Thank u
So much for helping me, funny it
Came from, or made a pit stop in
Ireland. That's where I'm from.
What an....odd song.....
*shivers*


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 12 - 01:36 PM

Re alternative dates mentioned by Joe ~~ 1932 for Jimmy Kennedy's words seems about right. He was a prolific songwriter around then ~~ Isle of Capri [memorably sung by the great Gracie Fields] & Red Sails In The Sunset are both mentioned above; also that oddly English Cowboy-song, South Of The Border (Down Mexico Way), and the early 40s v popular novelty dance The Hokey Cokey, a variant of the old Here We Go Looby-loo which I remember from schooldays about 1936.

~M~


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Snuffy
Date: 26 Jul 12 - 09:09 AM

Ominous indeed - the Henry Hall recording in particular. The singer always sounded very creepy to me, and I used to think that was how Dr Goebbels would sound if he sang it. (Perhaps the song was in code, and the Teddy Bears that Kennedy was warning us against were really Nazis!)


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Subject: The Babysitter Song (Lend Us a Tenor)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 01:29 AM

I came across this today and didn't have time to transcribe it. It's the "Babysitter Song" by a group called Lend Us a Tenor. The melody, of course, is "Teddy Bears' Picnic."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71GIHjzLudQ


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 05:43 AM

I first heard Teddy Bears' Picnic in Chicago at the Barbarossa, late 70's, but I'm not positive who sang it there-- Dooley Brothers I think.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 05:59 AM

As a slight thread drift, it makes a great ceilidh dance tune! We have it in a set for Military Two Step, followed by Nellie the Elephant, then Lily the Pink. (And another friend tacks on the Liberty Bell as a 4th tune.)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: GUEST,Marcia Palmater
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 08:54 PM

Glad I read this lengthy thread! I'm surprised that no one mentioned the Teddy Roosevelt story. He was a big-game hunter who spared the life of a bear cub. A cartoonist immortalized the moment, and the rest, as they say, is history. That's where teddy bears came from.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: BobL
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 02:57 AM

Great Ceilidh dance tune, and there is a square dance written for it (by Hilary Herbert, so hardly a ceilidh dance).


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 12:34 PM

Tedddy Bear's Rave up was a Rewrite by Pee Wee Hunt - He used to be in the navy (Met him in Singapore in 1969/70 ), and saw his group , Mechanical Horsetrough in the mid seventies !!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Joe_F
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 08:07 PM

Further details on the story: In November 1902 TR went to Mississippi to help settle a boundary dispute between that state and Louisiana. He was taken on a bear hunt, but had no luck. In desperation, his hosts cornered a cub & tied it to a tree for him to shoot. He thought that unsporting, and refused. (The cub was injured, and his hosts put it out of its misery.) There were reporters on the hunt, and the Washington Post printed a cartoon, which was widely circulated, with the punning caption "Drawing the Line in Mississippi". Inspired by it, a storekeeper made up some stuffed bears, and obtained the president's permission to name them after him. They were a success. Coincidentally, a German toy manufacturer had tooled up to make bears, and an enterprising American, seeing them at a fair, put in a large order. The fad become worldwide, and for a long time Germany was the center of the industry.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnicking
From: GUEST,Marcia Palmater
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 07:42 PM

Thank you, Joe, for the additional info!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 05:08 AM

Anybody going to rewrite the words to suit Trumpy Bears?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Nov 17 - 10:30 PM

Already did a Trump song, but to the tune of Nellie the Elephant - Trump, Trump, Trump! It's on a thread somewhere on this site.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 06:15 AM

Fine, but Trumpy Bears are a thing. Look it up.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Teddy Bears' Picnic
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 06:10 PM

Ha-ha! I just did: sure that's not Fake News?


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