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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Brakn Date: 03 Oct 02 - 06:30 AM Ahhhh Getting confused with the classical piece 'Dream of |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 02 - 10:19 AM Gerard, thank you for posting the information about your father and the true history of the song. Please join the Mudcat membership. I expect that you would have more to share that many here would find of interest. Beautiful song, talented composer, your father. Alice Flynn in Montana |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 02 - 10:26 AM Link to web site for Legacy of a Quiet Man http://www.stoneandfarrelly.com/ |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 03 Oct 02 - 10:28 AM Lyrics page for ISLE OF INNISFREE on the Farrelly web site: http://www.stoneandfarrelly.com/songs/cd1t2.htm |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Gerard Farrelly - SON OF THE COMPOSER Date: 03 Oct 02 - 11:43 AM Dear Noreen, The tune is not known as "The Dream of Alwyn", someone is making a huge mistake here. "The Isle Of Innisfree" and "The Dream Of Alwyn" are two totally different works, written by different composers and at very different times. This can be verified by the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society. Hi Tim, My father used the word "Innisfree" as a metaphor for Ireland. He once said in an interview that it was Ireland he had in mind when he wrote the song. In relation to my father not getting a credit in the film, this kind of thing happened a lot then. Very often Hollywood just gave a single credit to the person who orchastrated the musical score. Today as you know, every small piece of music that appears in a movie must by law be credited, usually at the end of the film. Another great example of this is in the film "Casablanca". The famous song from that film is "As Time Goes By" - again the writer of that song never got a credit. I think it was Bernard Herman who got the only credit for the music, it might have been Max Stiner, I can't remember. The use of "Isle Of Innisfree" in The Quiet Man was above board and my father has always received his due royalties from the film and recordings of the song. It's just very sad that he was not given his due credit, which is part of the reason why there is so much confusion about the song. Dear Alice, Thank you very much for your kind remarks, I will email you soon. Kind regards to all, Gerard Farrelly |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Airto Date: 03 Oct 02 - 12:40 PM A planning consultant I once briefly worked for applied to Sligo County Council for permission to "... arise and go now, and go to Innisfree, And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made; Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honeybee, And live alone in the bee-loud glade". They turned him down on the grounds that it would be contrary to the proper planning and development of the area. |
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Subject: Lyr/Authorship Correction: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Genie Date: 03 Oct 02 - 01:13 PM Gerard, thanks so much for correcting the various misinformation about your father's song. We need get the attribution corrected in the DT, too, in addition to correcting the lyrics. (I hope you, on behalf of your father, approve of its being there.) Like Noreen, I am curious as to how your father's tune came to be associated with "Dreams Of Alwyn." I am very sorry to hear that your father was not duly acknowledged for his song in the credits for "The Quiet Man." It is truly a beautiful song. And thanks for the link to your website. Do join us here at Mudcat! Genie P.S., You are right that it used to be common for studios (and sheet music publishers) not to give due credit to songwriters, co-authors, etc. (The man usually credited with sole authorship was named Herman, with a last name something like Hapfeld -- it's on the tip of my tongue. Cole Porter's publishers for "Don't Fence Me In," and the studio that made the movie for which the song was commissioned, would not allow Porter to formally accredit Robert Fletcher, on whose poem the song was based [cf. forum threads on "Don't Fence Me In"]. And if you see sheet music from the musical "Kismet," you will often find "Stranger In Paradise" attributed solely to, I think, Jerome Kern, with no mention of the Russian composer Borodin, from whose "Polovetzian Dance No. 9" the main melody was lifted.) |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Barry T Date: 03 Oct 02 - 08:31 PM The association of Alwyn with this song is a common phenomenon on the web... the evolution of threaded discussion into substantiated fact. We witnessed the same thing happen to another popular song... Pete St. John's Fields of Athenry, whose lyrics for a time were erroneously tagged to a non-existent traditional tune. By having sequenced a midi of The Isle of Innisfree I am embarrassed to have been partly responsible for this musical fiction, as my midi spread across the web as some kind of authenticated proof of the traditional tune. I myself have experienced the wonder of such web metamorphosis. My one and only lyrical creation, An Emigrant's Daughter, became 'Irish traditional' within two years of its creation in 1998! On the plus side of this experience... ...we now have a complete appreciation of the background of the The Isle of Innisfree and of its author ...we have welcomed a new 'Catter in the form of Gerard ...hundreds of us are singing the tune anew ...the record sales for both Gerard and Carmel Quinn will hopefully increase as a result of our thread! Now, to reprove my metamorphosis theory I will make mention of the 'fact' that White Christmas is based on an old Gaelic air titled Herding My Goats. Set your stopwatch! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Noreen Date: 03 Oct 02 - 08:34 PM Gerard, perhaps you are also thinking of 'The Dream of Olwen', (From the film "The Way to the Stars") composed by Charles Williams, who also, incidentally, composed the music for 'Dick Barton Special Agent!' You will no doubt be interested to know that "The Isle Of Innisfree" is indeed known as "The Dream of Alwyn", at least in North America, as the following websites (and many more sites, if you do a Google search) attest:
www.contemplator.com/tunebook/irshmidi.htm |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Noreen Date: 03 Oct 02 - 08:43 PM Try this one for The Dream of Olwen |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Noreen Date: 03 Oct 02 - 08:46 PM Thank you, Barry T, I missed your posting while I was playing around getting my links to work... How did you get involved with Alwyn, then, and is she related to Olwen? :0) |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Gerard Farrelly - SON OF THE COMPOSER Date: 05 Oct 02 - 12:38 PM Hello, I thought I might mention - if you log on to www.rattlebag.com then click on where it says Fast Access, and then go to June 11, you will find a radio documentry about the "Isle Of Innisfree" in which I was interviewed. You will also here my father talk about the song, this was taken from a previous programme he did some years ago. This Rattlebag programme was broadcast on the Irish national radio station RTE on June 11 last. I think you would find it interesting and enjoyable. Regards, Gerard |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 05 Oct 02 - 08:29 PM Thanks for the additional link, Gerard. Alice |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 05 Oct 02 - 08:34 PM Rattlebag, Tuesday June 11 http://www.rte.ie/arts/2002/0611/rattlebag.html |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 05 Oct 02 - 08:55 PM I just finished listening to that audio clip at Rattlebag... wonderful, touching, ... the end where you describe finding the old suitcase full of his music in the closet really got to me, as well as the subject of exile. Thanks again for giving that link to the audio file. Your wife has a lovely singing voice and it was good to hear the song as you have recorded it at the end.
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,amergin using ip Date: 05 Oct 02 - 09:09 PM and don't forget to sign up.... |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 06 Oct 02 - 12:00 PM Just a minor point, but in the W B Yeats poem (many posts above) it was lake water, not the water, he heard lapping with low sounds. |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Guest Carol Farrelly DAUGHTER OF COMPOSER Date: 06 Oct 02 - 05:21 PM Hello to all who have been corresponding on this intriguing website! So glad that my brother Ger discovered it and has clarified the many misconceptions regarding our fathers song. I thought you might be interested to hear what our father had to say himself. (Extract from interview with DICK FARRELLY on RTE(Radio Telefis Eireann)-Irelands National broadcasting Station) 'I found myself writing this song, "Isle Of Innisfree". The 'Isle Of Innisfree' that I had in my mind was Ireland, another name for Ireland, and that's something people often get mixed up. I liked the sound of the 'The Isle Of Innisfree'. I thought it would make a good song title. It had a poetic 'ring' to it, and immediately thoughts of Ireland and emmigration came to my mind. The whole song, words and music were composed on that bus. I know that by the time I got to Dublin I had my song-the complete words and music. For me, the "Isle Of Innisfree" is simply Ireland and it was Ireland that I had in mind when I wrote this song about an exiles longing for home.' Thankyou, Kind regards to you all, Carol Farrelly (farrellycarol@eircom.net) |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 06 Oct 02 - 06:16 PM Please join the Mudcat membership and stay around, Carol and Ger. Membership is free. |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Guest Majella Farrelly Daughter of Composer Date: 06 Oct 02 - 06:26 PM I was absolutely thrilled to bits to learn of this wonderful and very fascinating website. It was from my sister Carol who informed me of same. I feel very honoured and a very big thankyou to all concerned. Kind regards, Majella Farrelly {jellone@iolfree.ie} |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Genie Date: 06 Oct 02 - 10:14 PM Well, we certainly wouldn't mind having more than one Farrelly around Ye Olde Mudcat CafŽ, Majella. You and Carol and Gerard can all join for the price of one membership! Genie |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Alice Date: 06 Oct 02 - 10:34 PM And that price is FREE - what could be better than that? |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 06 Oct 02 - 10:50 PM You're going about this all wrong, fellow Mudcatters. Focus more on what a rare privilege and honour it is to be invited into this august community. Hint at a lengthy review of each application for membership. Imply that only those with the most exceptional credentials, such as being the progeny of respected songwriters, have any chance of being allowed across the threshold. Etc, etc. I am sure that such subtlety will be rewarded. |
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Subject: RE: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Genie Date: 07 Oct 02 - 06:04 AM Yeah, that's right -- what Fionn said. That's the ticket! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Gerard Farrelly Date: 07 Oct 02 - 01:19 PM Genie Many thanks for your response Oct.3rd and I certainly would approve of your suggestion. Both yourself and Noreen are curious as to how "The Isle Of Innisfree" is somehow connected in some quarters with the "Dream Of Alwyn", - I'm afraid I really don't know. I think it started with some midi-files that were made available online by a person named Barry Taylor. He had the wrong title with the wrong melody and he has created an awful mess and a lot of confusion. All the best. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 07 Oct 02 - 01:53 PM All this was explained earlier in the discussion by Barry himself, but nobody seems to have paid any attention. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Gerard Farrelly Date: 09 Oct 02 - 10:55 AM I did some research on "The Dream Of Firstly the spelling is " |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Genie Date: 09 Oct 02 - 01:15 PM Gerard, in your post dated Oct. 2, you seem to be referring to my post of Oct. Am I in a time warp? Or was that just a typo? ¤;-D |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Noreen Date: 09 Oct 02 - 01:37 PM Gerard, you say: I did some research on "The Dream Of Olwyn". If you had bothered to read my post of 03 Oct 02 - 08:34 PM, you would know that there are two different names, 1) Dreams Of Alwyn (the name that some give to the tune to your father's song) and 2) The Dream of Olwen by Charles Williams. I give the information you have just researched, and far more, including links to midis of each tune, above. (Malcolm, unlike some, I did pay attention to what was written, in this case by Barry Taylor. I was interested to know how such a thing came about, as Barry merely described what had happened. Can't say I have any further interest in this subject now.) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Gerard Farrelly Date: 09 Oct 02 - 02:53 PM Noreen, Indeed you did supply such information back then and I somehow had completely forgotten this, quite silly of me, please accept my apologies. As regards "The Isle Of Innisfree" itself, the history of the song and all misconceptions have been fully addressed in my postings of 02 and 03 Oct 02. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Genie Date: 09 Oct 02 - 05:52 PM My last post was supposed to say: Gerard, in your post dated Oct. 2, you seem to be referring to my post of Oct.3. Am I in a time warp? Or was that just a typo? ¤;-D |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Cathy Date: 09 Oct 02 - 06:41 PM Surely the issue as to how "The Isle Of Innisfree" became known as "The Dream Of Alwyn"/"Olwen" is totally irrelevant. There have been misconceptions about many great songs over the years and there will be many more. What is relevant however, is the wonderful and detailed information that has been so kindly supplied to your discussion group by the son of the composer himself. What more does one need. Cathy |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: SingsIrish Songs Date: 26 Oct 02 - 09:40 PM Gerard--Great to see you at Mudcat! Not to mention that your sisters have visited as well. Welcome! I never did get to do the updates to the Feature Song page for Isle Of Innisfree that Mick Lowe and I had on our website prior to us closing the site due to loads of more pressing personal endeavours. But I imagine Mudcat has much more traffic and so posting your site info along with the information about your Dad and the song is better off here! Thanks again for the insiteful information you shared with me through email and post! As ever, Mary |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,GERARD FARRELLY Date: 09 Apr 03 - 09:02 AM Hello Mary, Great to hear from you too and thanks for your message above. I have not been to mudcat for a very long time and only now just got your posting, very sorry about that. Anyway, I hope your're keeping well and you might like to know that the CD has been very successful here in Ireland and lots of things have happened as a result which is great. Take care Gerard |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Martha Date: 13 Aug 03 - 02:55 PM Came accross this thread for the first time. As a lover of Irish songs and YES, "The Isle Of Innisfree" in particular, truly one of the most beautiful melodies ever to come out of the country, I was delighted to read the postings by Dick Farrelly's son, Gerard Farrelly. Great stuff Gerard, you've set the record straight, I am looking forward to getting your and Sinead's CD "Legacy Of A Quiet Man" with the correct melody and lyrics. Very interested also in hearing the other songs by your father. Continued success to you both in the future. Martha O'Sullivan from Co.Cork. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,kazont@hotmail.com Date: 20 Oct 03 - 08:12 AM Does anybody have the sheet music for "Isle of Innisfree" suitable for the Organ or Keyboard much appreciated if I could get it, or be directed to a site that might have it. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Guest Date: 21 Oct 03 - 04:35 AM In Scottish gaelic, innis means an island. If if is the same in Irish, then isn't the title a bit tautological? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 21 Oct 03 - 05:53 AM Its a bit like the "River Avon"! Regards |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 21 Oct 03 - 07:06 AM In case, you don't realise, Avon or Abhann = river There are many instances of this sort of bilingual repetition such as Inch Island and Barnesmore Gap (Bearnas=gap) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Date: 21 Oct 03 - 07:08 AM Philippa I was trying to remember some triple ones - English/Gaelic/Norse from Scotland? Regards |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Jim McLean Date: 21 Oct 03 - 01:35 PM There's a river in Dumfries and Galloway called the Old River. An old map shows this as the Auld river and as allt is gaelic for a mountain stream, it is conceivable the the name has gone from allt to auld to old! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: weerover Date: 21 Oct 03 - 02:13 PM Other tautologies: Mount Fujiyama Koy carp wr |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST Date: 19 Nov 03 - 09:36 AM Unfortunately the last six postings have nothing to do with 'The Isle Of Innisfree' whatsoever. Steve, you are looking for the sheet music for the song - Log on to ebay, type in the song title in the search box and also click the 'title and disciptions box'. At this moment you will find a copy of the sheet music with John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara on the cover for auction. In order to bid for the item you must first register with ebay. I myself have in the past got the sheet music for 'Innisfree' through ebay. This is the original piano arrangment by the composer Dick (Richard) Farrelly. Best of luck. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST Date: 27 Nov 03 - 12:03 PM Steve, You can get a book entitled 'Song Of Ireland' online from www.musicroom.com It contains the original sheet music arrangement of 'The Isle Of Innisfree' with full lyric. There is also available a easier sheet music arrangement in a book entitled, The Waltons Irish Songbook Volume 4, available from www.simplyirish.com Slan, Pat |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Info. Please: Date: 08 Dec 03 - 03:02 PM I am looking for a CD. The Dream of at the piano, or the CD "Play it again Ken" I would appreciate your help. Thanks, Don |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: NoMattch Date: 09 Dec 03 - 11:43 AM My grandfather was from Sligo and used to sing the 'Isle of Innisfree' all the time. I remember it with a lot more verses, though. I finally went over to Ireland and took a ferry across Lough Gill to see it. I was surprised how small it was. When the captain said, "To our left is the Isle of Innisfree.." I said, "That's it? The song is longer than the island!" |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST Date: 10 Dec 03 - 03:38 PM Hi NoMattch, The song has nothing whatsoever to do with the island Isle of Innisfree in Co. Sligo about which W.B.Yeats wrote. You obviously have not read the first three postings by Gerard Farrelly, son of the composer of the song, "The Isle Of Innisfree". His father was writing about Ireland, not a tiny island in Sligo. He was using the word "Innisfree" as a metaphor, another name for Ireland. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST Date: 22 Dec 03 - 01:55 PM Further to the previous posting: Go to a lovely piece and photos on www.quietmanmovieclub.com Click link "Isle of Innisfree" on the home page. Pat Downey |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: GUEST,Paul Date: 23 Dec 03 - 11:47 AM Thanks for that info Pat, its fantastic. I wish we had such a background to many more great songs and their writers. Dick/Richard Farrelly, sounds like he was a lovely man. A wonderful thing to have a son speak of a father in such a way publicly. ONE WOULD NEVER PUT A POLICEMAN AND A SONGWRITER/POET IN THE ONE PERSON. Paul |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: ISLE OF INNISFREE From: Verna Date: 23 Dec 03 - 04:44 PM Noticed the note from Marth O'Sullivan in Co Cork. Delighted to find another catter in co Cork! How about E-mailing me? I live in Co Cork (Bantry area) and I sing Innisfree (I also do Dream of Olwen too and there is No resemblence) Regards Verna Rvconnelly2@eircom.net |
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