Lyr Req: You impudent brat? / Mick McGuire

Subject: You impudent brat
From: Casey
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 10:45 PM

I'm looking for the lyrics to a song in which a mother tells her "impudent brat" son........."Johnnie get up from the fire and give the man a seat.........." Thanks, Casey

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: alison
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 10:51 PM

Hi,

do a search for "Mick Maguire", it is probably in the database. It is sung to the tune of "Hot Asphalt."

"arragh, get up out of that you impudent brat and give Mr Maguire a seat."

Slainte

Alison.

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: alison
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 10:58 PM

Hi,

I've checked and it doesn't seem to be there, so if no one else does it first I'll probably type it in later.

Slainte

Alison

Subject: Lyr Add: MICK MCGUIRE (from Clancy Brothers)
From: alison
Date: 04 Mar 98 - 11:17 PM

Hi again,

This is from the "Clancy Brothers Songbook".

MICK MCGUIRE

Oh, me name is Mick McGuire and I'll quickly tell to you
Of a young girl I admired called Kitty Donahue.
She was fair and fat and forty and believe me when I say
That whenever I came in at the door you could hear her mammy say.

CHORUS

'Johnny get up from the fire, get up and give the man a sate (seat),
Can't you see it's Mr McGuire and he's courting you sister Kate?
Ah you know very well he owns a farm a wee bit out of the town,
Arragh, get up out of that you impudent brat and let Mr McGuire sit down."

Now the first time that I met her was at the dance at Tarmagee,
And I asked her very kindly if she'd dance a step with me,
Then I asked if I could see her home, if I'd be going her way
And whenever I came in at the door you could hear her mammy say:

CHORUS

Ah, but now that we are married, sure her mother's changed her mind,
Just because I spent the legacy her father left behind,
She hasn't got the decency to bid me time of day,
Now whenever I come in at the door you'd here the auld one say:

LAST CHORUS

"Johnny, come up to the fire, come up you're sitting in a draft,
Can't you see it's Mr McGuire, and he nearly drives me daft,
AH, I don't know what gets into him, for he's always on the tare,
Arragh, just sit where you are and never you dare to give Mr McGuire the chair."

Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle
Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow
Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle
Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow
AH, I don't know what gets into him, for he's always on the tare,
Arragh, just sit where you are and never you dare to give Mr McGuire the chair."

slainte

Alison

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Casey
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 09:36 PM

Thanks Alison , I could remember most of the song but I never was able to understand the " arragh, get up out of that "........part. You have a very fine ear or a book with lyrics that I'd die for. Thanks again for taking the time to help me in my quest.

slainte

Casey

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Casey
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 09:42 PM

Alison I've recursored and now I see the beginning of your gracious reply. How do I get a Clancy Brothers song book?

slainte

Casey

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: alison
Date: 05 Mar 98 - 11:34 PM

Hi,

I've had that book for as long as I can remember, they are still in print and you can usually find them in the Irish section of good music shops.

That particular book was published by Wise Publications. It is actually called "The Irish Songbook" collected, adapted, written and sung by The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem.

slainte

Alison

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Marc B
Date: 07 Mar 98 - 10:36 AM

There's another great song called "The Devil Take the Rest" to this same tune. Got it off an old Barley Bree album which though a bit Kingston Trioish has some very nice songs on it. Marc B

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Mar 98 - 06:06 PM

Say, Alison, you wouldn't want to come up with a tune, would you? You type so many that I hate to ask, but it would be nice to have this one. Thanks.
-Joe-

Subject: Tune Add: MICK MCGUIRE
From: alison
Date: 08 Mar 98 - 12:36 AM

Hi,

No problem Joe. Here you are.

As I said before it's also the tune to "Hot Asphalt" and can also be known as "Bonaparte's retreat."

It's no real problem doing tunes I have so many already in Musicator, it's usually just a case of running them through MIDItext... I just wish others could do the same there's lots of good songs here that I would like the tunes to.

MIDI file: MICKMAQU.MID

Timebase: 480

Name: nameless
TimeSig: 6/8 24 4
Key: F
Tempo: 180 (333333 microsec/crotchet)
Start
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This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the January 15 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

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Slainte

Alison

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Mar 98 - 03:24 AM

Thanks a lot, Alison. The ABC tune came out well, but the MIDI seemed to stick in a couple of places. I wonder why. Good tune, though.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Jon W.
Date: 09 Mar 98 - 04:45 PM

Besides the Clancy Bros. version, I have this song on a CD called "From Galway to Dublin (Early Recordings of Traditional Irish Music)", Rounder CD 1087, by a fellow named James Mullan, AKA The Singing Insurance Salesman, with Four Provinces Orchestra. It is essentially identical except it omits the last verse. The backing sounds like basically piano, fiddle, and mandolin, which I like better than the Clancy's backing. It was recorded in 1932 in New York.

Subject: Lyr Add: MICK MCGUIRE (from R Hall & J MacGregor)
From: Genie
Date: 04 Nov 02 - 02:10 PM

This is the way I learned this song (one of my favorites), from an album of Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor back about 1964.

Genie

MICK MCGUIRE  -- as sung by Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor

Oh, me name is Mick McGuire and I'll quickly tell to you
Of a girl I admired, call her Katie Donahue.
She was fair and fat and forty and believe me when I say
That whenever I came into the door you could hear her maither say:

"Johnny get up from the fire, get up ,and give yer man a sate (seat)!
Can't you see it's Mick McGuire and he's courtin' yer sister Kate?
Sure, ye know very well he owns a farm a wee bit out o' the town.
Arragh!   Get out o' that, you impudent brat, and let Mr McGuire sit down!"

The first time that I met her was at the dance at Tarmagee.
I asked her very kindly if she'd dance a step with me,
Then I asked if I could see her home, if she be going my way,
And whenever I came into the door you could hear her maither say:

"Johnny get up from the fire, get up ,and give yer man a sate (seat)!
Can't you see it's Mick McGuire and he's courtin' yer sister Kate?
Sure, ye know very well he owns a farm a wee bit out o' the town.
Arragh!   Get out o' that, you impudent brat, and let Mr McGuire sit down!"

But now that we are married, her maither's changed her mind,
Because I spent the money that her faither left behind.
Now she hasn't got the daycency (decency) to bid me time o' day,
And whenever I come into  the door you can hear the auld one say:

"Johnny, come up to the fire, come up,  you're sittin' in a draft.
Can't you see it's auld McGuire--Aagh!  He nearly drives me daft!
Sure, I don't know what gets in 'im--he's always on a tear!
Arragh, just sit where you are and never you dare  give auld McGuire the chair!"

Diddle e dowdie-dowdie-dowdie-dowdie
Diddle e dowdie day
Diddle e dowdie-dowdie-dowdie-dowdie
Diddle e dowdie day
Sure, I don't know what gets in 'im--he's always on a tear!
Arragh, just sit where you are and never you dare  give auld McGuire the chair!"
 

Main differences from the version posted above and in the DT:
Katie (not Kitty) is not referred to as a "young" girl.
IIRC, they say "mother" or "maither," not "mammy."
They sang "if she be goin' my way," not "if I'd be goin' her way."
They sang "money that" (not "legacy") her faither left behind.
After Mick spends Katie's faither's money, the mother-in-law now refers to him as "auld McGuire," instead of "Mr. McGuire" or "Mick McGuire."

And it's "on a tear" not "on the tare," though the pronunciation of "tear" and "tare" is the same.

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Hrothgar
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 02:32 AM

Thought that "Hot Asphalt" was sung to the tune of "Mick McGuire," not the other way around.

Subject: RE: You impudent brat
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 05 Nov 02 - 03:24 AM

G'day Hrothgar,

You'ld need some definite datings to argue that, one way ot t'other.

I see Hot Asphalt as one of the class of English Music Hall tunes that set out to brand the Irish as a pack of violent thugs - while Mick McGuire is more in the tradition the Irish had of turning that sort of song around and enjoying it!

However, the perfidious Poms could have pinched the existing tune to serve their calumnious purposes ... ? (Further confused by the fact that the same tune turns up in many other guises - including a one Alison mentioned above (and 4 years back) as Bonaparte's Retreat. I can remeber playing it ... but I'm not sure what its exact Napoleonic name was - the Irish had fond hopes for Boney!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: You impudent brat? / Mick McGuire
From: RunrigFan
Date: 28 Aug 22 - 11:13 PM

MICK MCGUIRE -- as sung by Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor

Now me name is Mick McGuire and I'll quickly tell to you
Of a young girl I admired, named Katie Donahue.
She's fair, fat and forty and believe me when I say
Every time I go courting her, I can hear her mammy say

"Johnny get up from the fire, get up ,and give yer man a seat!
Can't you see it's Mr McGuire and he's courtin' yer sister Kate?
You know very he owns a farm a wee bit out o' the town.
Get out o' that, you impudent brat, and let Mr McGuire sit down!"

Chorus

Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow
You know very well he owns a farm
a wee bit out of the town
Get up out of that, you impudent brat, and let Mr Maguire sit down!

Now the first time that I met her was at the dance at Tarmagee.
And I very kindly asked her would she'd dance a step with me,
She asked if I would see her home, if I was going her way,
And whenever I stood in at the door, I could hear her mammy say!

"Johnny get up from the fire, get up ,and give yer man a seat!
Can't you see it's Mr McGuire and he's working' yer sister Kate?
You know very he owns a farm a wee bit out o' the town.
Get out o' that, you impudent brat, and let Mr McGuire sit down!"

Chorus

Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow
You know very well he owns a farm
a wee bit out of the town
Get up out of that, you impudent brat, and let Mr Maguire sit down!

Ah, now that we are married, her mother's changed her mind,
Just because I spent the legacy me father left behind,
She hasn't got the daycency (decency) to bid me time of the day,
And whenever I step in at the door I could hear her mammy say!

"Johnny, come up to the fire, come up, you're sitting in a draft,
Sure it's auld McGuire and it nearly drives me daft!
I don't know what gets into him, for he's always on the tare,
Just sit where you are and never you dare to give Mr McGuire the chair."

Chorus

Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow Diddle e dowdle-owdle-owdle Diddle e dowdle-owdle-ow
I don't know what gets in 'im--he's always on a tare!
Just sit where you are and never you dare give auld McGuire the chair!"

As sung by Alasdair Gillies