Lyr Req: When a Man's in Love

Subject: When a man's in love
From: Simon Gardner
Date: 09 Jan 99 - 01:59 PM

I'm trying to trace a song, Scots, I think. I can recall only a couple of phrases, and cannot trace it in the database:

"When a man's in love, He feels no pain, Like I, not long ago..."

Anyone recognise it?

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Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Bruce O.
Date: 09 Jan 99 - 02:29 PM

Laws O20, DT file MANLOVE. A. L. Llyod recorded a version on Prestige-Intenational 13066, 'The Best of A. L. LLoyd' He notes his tune is a beautiful version of "The Star of the County Down"

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From:
Date: 10 Jan 99 - 09:11 PM

Chieftains and Chris Foster recorded it too. Can't see a resemblance to the tune of the Star of the County Down.

Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN A MAN'S IN LOVE
From:
Date: 10 Jan 99 - 09:27 PM

Here it is from memory. By all means feel free to correct errors.

WHEN A MAN'S IN LOVE
Traditional, I assume

When a man's in love he feels no cold
Like me not long ago
Like a hero bold to see his girl
He'll plough through frost and snow

The moon she gently shed her light
Upon my weary way
Until I came to that sweet spot
Where all my treasure lay.

I knocked on my love's window saying
My dear, are you within?
And slyly she undid the latch
And slyly I slipped in.

Her hand was soft and her breath was too

Her tongue did gently glide
I stole a kiss, it was no miss
And I asked her to be my bride.

Take me to your chamber love,
Take me there I pray
Take me to your chamber love
Along with you to lay.

To take you to my chamber love
My parents would never agree
But sit you done by yon bright fire
And I'll come sit with thee.

Many's the dark and stormy night
I've come to visit you
Whether tossed about by cold winter winds
Or wet by the morning dew

Many's the night I've courted you
Against your father's will
But you have never said you'd be my bride
So now my dear, sit still

Tonight I am going to cross the seas
To far Columbia's shore
And you will never ever see
Your youthful lover more

Oh are you going to leave me love
Oh pray what can I do?
I will break through every bond of love
To go along with you.

Perhaps my parents won't forget
But maybe they'll forgive
For from this hour I am resolved
Along with you to live.

Then with a kiss, the ring's put on
The wedding it's gone on
From courtship's cares they are released
These two are joined in one.

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jan 99 - 12:19 AM

Or, Click here. Gotcha, Tim! Pretty good memory you've got there, though.
-Joe offer-

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 11 Jan 99 - 01:41 AM

You'll also find the song sung by Paddy Tunney on the "Songs of Courtship" disc in the Caedmon "Folksongs of Britain" series edited and collected by Peter Kennedy and Alan Lomax. Tunney's set follows pretty closely the one given above: other sets can be found in Creighton (Nova Scotia) and Sam Henry (Co. Derry). Jon the offsider

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 11 Jan 99 - 08:36 PM

Horslips also do a version on their "Drive the Cold Winter Away" album (Outlet, MOOCD009)

which also contains their version of the Manx Gaelic song "Ny Kirree Fo 'Niaghtey" (mis-spelt as Naghtey), and subtitled "The Sheep 'neath the Snow". In the English version, it's generally called "The Sheep Under the Snow".

Anyway, just wanted to fly the flag again.

Mish, lesh brattagh,

Bobby Bob

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Peg
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 05:16 PM

BTW I have just heard Magpie Lane's version of "Sheep Neath the Snow" and now I am hoping to find the Manx Gaelic lyrics to this...any help?

thanks!

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 05:29 PM

Here, in a thread from 1997:  Gaelic:Kirree fo Niaghtey-English Lyrics

Malcolm

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Peg
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 05:31 PM

thank you Malcolm!!! You are the best.

peg

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Margaret V
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 01:53 AM

Several different artists have been mentioned in this thread as having recorded this song. Can anyone come up with a few others? I ask this because I know this song and sing it but can't quite recall where I learned it. I have a distant memory of having been loaned several albums about twenty years ago, one of which had this song on it, but I'm thinking the batch included Pentangle, Ossian (or Oisin?), and De Danaan. Are any of these likely candidates for my source? I'd certainly like to credit him/her/them for the version I sing. Thanks. Margaret (rather muddled)

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 06:51 AM

None of those, I suspect, but (besides those already mentioned) Five Hand Reel recorded it in the 70s, as did Sean Cannon.  A little later, everybody and his dog had a stab at it, but those recordings would probably be outside your time-frame.

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 07:04 AM

Oh, if it was the 5-Hand Reel recording (eponymous first album), it was sung by Dick Gaughan and was their arrangement of Paddy Tunney's version; Paddy learnt it from his uncle Michael (Mick) Gallagher of Fermanagh, some time not long after 1948.

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: Margaret V
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 09:55 AM

Thanks, Malcolm. Those don't ring a bell either, but in any case I'd love to hear Dick Gaughan singing it; I'll have to see whether the 5-Hand Reel album is available. Margaret

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: GUEST,Dita (at work)
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 02:58 PM

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 03:09 PM

Sorry about the empty post,accidental return.
I think the Five Hand Reel album is one of the RCA ones either "A Man's a Man" or "Earl o' Murray", probably the second. Don't think they have been reisssued. There was some talk of a Camden release but I think it came to nought. Their first album on Rubber has been re-released by Celtic Music. If you don't get more info before, I'll post exact album details tomorrow when I get home.
love, john.

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: GUEST,Tom Munnelly
Date: 03 Mar 01 - 04:29 PM

I've been waiting for John Moulden to come out of lurk in relation to this thread. As he has not, can I tell you that the author of 'When a Man's In Love' has been proved beyond doubt by John to be the weaver poet Hugh McWillliams. John has edited an inexpensive collection of his songs which everyone should have, (McWilliams also wrote 'Come With Me over the Mountain)

Over to you, John. Tell them about it.

Tom

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: ConnieLee
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 04:09 AM

does anyone know the (approx.) years of Hugh McWilliams (weaver poet) birth and death?

Subject: RE: When a man's in love
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 10:22 PM

Speaking of Paddy Tunney, I'd like to point out (with some justifiable pride) that there's a new CAMSCO edition of Folktrax's CD of Mr. Tunney, as well as another of Brigid Tunney (his mother.) $16 (cheap!)

Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN A MAN'S IN LOVE (from Danny Spooner)
From: Stewie
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 10:44 PM

Danny Spooner recorded this on his album of the same title for Sandstock Music 1987. Danny has reissued it on CD and it may be had from his website www.dannyspooner.com: 'When A Man's In Love' DS 002. For some reason, the lyrics given on his website differ significantly from what he actually sings. He notes that his version 'is carried on a variant of the tune "Dives and Lazarus"'. Here's what he sings:

WHEN A MAN'S IN LOVE
(Traditional)

When a man's in love and he knows no cold, like me not long ago,
Then he will to his young girl go all through the frost and snow
The moon it shed a gentle light along me weary way,
Until I came to that sweet place where all my treasure lay

I knocked at my love's window, saying "Love are you within",
And gently she did slip the lock and shyly I slipped in
Her hands were sweet, her eyes were neat and her tongue did gently glide,
As I gave her a kiss and I surely didn't miss and I asked her to be me bride

"Oh take me to your bedroom, love, oh take me to your bed,
"Oh take me to your bedroom, love, to rest me weary head"
"To take you to me bedroom love, me parents would never agree,
"So you sit by the warm fireside and I'll sit close to thee"

"For many months I've courted you against your parents will,
"You never once said you'd be me bride so now me love be still,
"For tomorrow I'm going to cross the sea to far Van Dieman's shore,
"And you will never ever see your gentle lover no more"

"Oh are you going to leave me now, whatever shall I do,
"It's I'll break every bond of love me darlin' to please you
"Perhaps me parents will forgive or maybe they'll forget,
"But I'm resolved this very night to take you to me bed

All with a kiss the bond was sealed, our joys they did come round,
From courtships cares I was released as we became as one
Though all outside was frost and cold, two fires they burned within
As we rolled there together in that sweet place until the day did dawn

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: GUEST,dbgrate
Date: 25 Jan 04 - 12:12 PM

There is a wonderful version of this on a Voice Squad CD,"Many's The Foolish Youth"!!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 25 Jan 04 - 08:57 PM

ConnieLee, as John Moulden hasn't come forward in the past 3 years I suppose I can take the liberty of adding information from his booklet mentioned by Tom Munnelly above.
Hugh McWilliams was born in Glenavy Co. Antrim in 1783, and was a schoolmaster for a while. He published a book called Poems and Songs on Various Subjects in 1831, and it is a selection of seventeen of these which was published by John Moulden in 1993 for Ulstersongs In the 1831 book the tune specified for A Man in Love was "Moses Gathering the Children".

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: Stewie
Date: 25 Jan 04 - 09:09 PM

Matthew and Guest Tom above, my apologies for putting 'traditional' under the title in my posting of Danny Spooner's version. I had read Tom's post, and then promptly went ahead with that error. Many thanks for the info on the provenance of the piece. Danny noted that it was probably of Irish origin and that possibly was all that was known at the time.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 25 Jan 04 - 09:32 PM

I'd imagine that most people who sing it these days are using Paddy Tunney's set (often modified in the last verse to make it a bit raunchier for modern tastes), whether they know it or not. Did Danny indicate where he learned the text quoted?

"Traditional" is perfectly fair in the circumstances, though it's good also to know the right provenance. Next would be Moses Gathering the Children, I guess; though that would be a job for another day.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: Stewie
Date: 25 Jan 04 - 10:25 PM

Malcolm, unfortunately Danny did not indicate his source in his note to the song.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 05:45 PM

theres also a version of this song on a cd called 'st. patricks day celebration' its pretty. :)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 07:24 PM

Just to bbe a completist, 5 Hand Reel is also available on CD(from CAMSCO, of cours.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a man's in love
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 05 - 06:55 AM

I have an album called "The Chieftains" ,columbia stereo cassette,but nomore information.I am so glad get this lyric in here.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a Man's in Love
From: GUEST,John Moulden
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 04:56 PM

I've just finished slaving over a large thesis about the popular printing of songs in Ireland so I should have time in future to contribute to discussions like this one. I have traced "Moses gathering the Children" to various English printed ballads. The title is often "An answer to the Freemason's hymn" and the first line is "When Moses numbered all his men". There are several copies in the Bodleian Library - see the Bodleian Ballads web-site under Firth c.21(34)and Harding B 25(1271)for Pitts' version.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a Man's in Love
From: MartinRyan
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 05:14 PM

Good to see you back, John!

Regards

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: When a Man's in Love
From: GUEST,LMacMuiris
Date: 08 Sep 07 - 08:24 AM

The Voice Squad, an Irish a capella trio, have also recorded this on their hard-to-get album "Hollywood".