Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:41 PM

1463 CALICODR  GIRL WITH A CALICO DRESS  By J. H. Tenney. Sheet music at American Memory (Library of Congress):

Girl with a Calico Dress.


1650 HASHSCOR  HASH MY FATHER SCORED  This is a duplicate of  THE HASH MY FATHER SCORED, and should probably be deleted. The tune is, of course, The Sash My Father Wore; there is a link to a midi in the latter file.   


1734 HLLGRENM  THE HILLS OF GREENMORE
The S. Span/Terry Woods recording. Pretty well the same tune as the one posted by Belfast for the Gaughan recording,  Granemore Hare. A cross-reference should do. The third DT text, 1735 HILLGRE2  HILLS OF GREENMORE (2), was transcribed from a Dervish record and I can't at the moment recall whether or not they used the same tune.


1940 HARLMDOV  I'VE BEEN TO HARLEM
An American variant of an English drinking game. No source named in the DT file, but the text is very close to a (presumably) well-known set which was used on the BBC Schools radio programme Singing Together back in the 1960s. Midi made from notation in Sing Together! 100 Songs for Unison Singing, William Appleby and Frederick Fowler, OUP 1967, where it appeared as Turn the Glasses Over. No source is named there, either; it's described simply as "American Singing Game". The text was as follows:

I've been to Harlem, I've been to Dover,
I've traveled this wide world all over,
Over, over, three times over,
Drink what you have to drink and turn the glasses over.
Sailing east, sailing west
Sailing over the ocean,
Better watch out when the boat begins to rock,
Or you'll lose your girl in the ocean.

I've set the DT words to the tune, though. In two places, with modifications to make it fit: in line six, o'er has been changed to over to give it the required two syllables, and in bar 12 the second half-note has been split into a dotted quarter and an eighth, with the latter lowered from A to G (the pitch of the following two eighths) to accommodate the additional You'd in line 7.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: MMario
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:46 PM

noted!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: OldPossum
Date: 22 May 03 - 03:18 PM

Phil Ochs song tunes posted so far:

• Changes threadid=55801
• Flower Lady threadid=17033
• Too Many Martyrs threadid=26164
• I Ain't Marching Anymore threadid=3639 Mmario I think you missed this one.
• Bound For Glory threadid=26164
• What's That I Hear threadid=26164
• That Was The President threadid=26164
• Hills Of West Virginia threadid=26164
• One More Parade threadid=26164
• In The Heat Of The Summer threadid=26164
• I'm Going To Say It Now threadid=26164
• When I'm Gone threadid=14386 Added today
• Outside Of A Small Circle Of Friends threadid=4237 Added today

Outside Of A Small Circle Of Friends is the song in the DT to which that last tune (filename[ CRCLFRND) belongs. Note that Small Circle Of Friends (filename[ CIRCFRND) is a duplicate entry. That last one may be deleted since the first is of a higher quality.

More Phil Ochs tunes coming soon to a thread near here! (but I have some catching up to do first)

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: MMario
Date: 22 May 03 - 03:30 PM

Thank you sir!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 30 May 03 - 11:44 PM

280 HARTHACN  BATTLE OF LARGS (Hardyknute) This is the same as HARDYKNUTE (BATTLE OF LARGS). Lesley Nelson originally posted just the 3 verses given in Songs of Scotland vol II (presumably the Myles Foster book; the date Lesley quotes is for vol. I, edited by Pitman and Brown, which was some years earlier, I think). Subsequently she added further verses from the Scots Musical Museum. See thread LYR & MUS ADD: Hurdyknute - what date?, where Lesley posted miditext and abc for the tune as printed in SOS, and Bruce also posted abcs from SMM and two others. The SOS tune is identical to SMM apart from slightly different gracenotes in two places and was likely adapted from it.

The texts in both DT files are identical, but different extracts from the original thread have been copied into each. Notes in BATTLE OF LARGS (Hardyknute) are vague and not terribly coherent or helpful; this would be the redundant file, then, and an obvious candidate for deletion. The midi at Mudcat Midis was generated by nwc and as usual note-values are set incorrectly for other midi editors, but the midi it was edited from (Lesley's; the arrangement is that from SOS, and source ought to be indicated at the midi pages) is nearly ok, though for some reason she has altered the barring and transposed the tune down three steps without indicating the appropriate new key signature.

You might have been better off with the abc Bruce supplied, but there is a mistake in it. I'll add a standard-format midi from the notation in SMM with the next batch.


359 ERICDAU3  BIRTH OF ROBIN HOOD (C)

This is a duplicate of  BIRTH OF ROBIN HOOD C

Text from the Kinloch MSS, V, 330 f. No tune was noted. Both files fail to mention Child's rather important note: "the last two stanzas of Douglass Dale". The Kinloch text of Douglass Dale (Child 101, Willie o Douglas Dale) had those two verses stuck on the end. That version (Child 101C) has no tune, but two others are known. Both are in Bronson. I sent in a midi for the text in the DT (Willy o' Douglas Dale from Mrs Brown of Falkland, though the source information hasn't been added to the online DT) nearly 3 years ago, but it's not at the old or new Midi pages so far as I can see.


1521 GOODLUCK  THE GOOD LUCK SHIP. Text from a Peter Bellamy record. Peter learned the song from Harry Cox of Catfield, Norfolk; it's a relative of  THE ROYAL OAK (Roud 951). Midi made from notation in The Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society, vol V (no.1) 1946, p.20 (noted by Francis M. Collinson, 1945/6).

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: OldPossum
Date: 31 May 03 - 09:30 AM

The last of the Phil Ochs song tunes:

• The War Is Over threadid=26164
• Pleasures Of The Harbor threadid=26164
• Is There Anybody Here threadid=26164
• No More Songs threadid=26164
• Jim Dean Of Indiana threadid=26164
• Chords Of Fame threadid=26164

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: MMario
Date: 31 May 03 - 09:37 AM

A reminder that the mudcat midi pages are a temporary site; and are ONLY to make the midi's available until they are in the DT; much information etc is submitted to the DT in addition to what is on the midi page.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 31 May 03 - 11:11 AM

Temporary or not, they are a very important resource and really ought to be flagged prominently on the main page rather than hidden away in a drop-down list. Additionally, there are quite a lot of tunes there which belong to songs posted in threads, some of which will probably never make it into the DT; so the temporary measure will likely need to remain in place for as long as the Forum does.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: OldPossum
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 02:30 PM

TAM LIN (filename[ TAMLIN2) in the Digital Tradition has a tune already, and a very nice one too, but since the comment says "Recorded by Fairport Convention on Liege & Lief", I thought I would post the tune which is actually used by Fairport Convention. It is posted here.

I don't know the source for the existing tunefile. I have searched all over the Forum, but didn't find anything about it's source. Does anyone know? The tune I posted has "Traditional arrangement by Dave Swarbrick" written on it, so I guess it must be traditional.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: OldPossum
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 07:53 AM

I CAN SAIL (filename[ CANSAIL2) tune posted here. This is actually a song in the Swedish language, so I would suggest renaming the title of the DT entry to the Swedish "Vem kan segla". It is perhaps a bit misleading to have an English title to a Swedish song.

There is an error in line 2 of the first verse. It should read:

vem kan skiljas fraan vaennen sin utan att faella taarar.

aa represents the letter å - the DT file probably got it wrong during the character conversion.

This tune also covers WHO CAN SAIL (filename[ CANSAIL). This is an English translation of the above song, and I don't think it was meant to be a singable translation, since it doesn't scan very well. I sure wouldn't like to try aligning the lyrics to the tune! Actually the DT editor(s) might consider incorporating WHO CAN SAIL in the notes to I CAN SAIL and so have the translation in the same file as the Swedish original. Anyway WHO CAN SAIL can be covered with a cross-reference to this tune.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: OldPossum
Date: 09 Jul 03 - 01:35 PM

The tune to The Calico Printer's Clark (Clerk) (filename[ CALPRINT) was posted in this thread.

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 08:47 AM

Thanks Again Old Possum!

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: OldPossum
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 03:40 PM

I found two more tunes in an old thread:

LULLABY filename[ LULLABY posted here

THE BEGGARMAN (6) filename[ BEGGAR6 posted here

Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing DT tunes - Part NINE
From: MMario
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 03:56 PM

thank you Mr. Old Possum Sir! I will update the main thread and the lists when I get onto a computer that doesn't take 20 minutes to download it! *grin*

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