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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: velvet Date: 09 Mar 03 - 06:51 AM I have to agree with Walrus. He has said it all. He ssems to like all the hymns that Ido. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Nigel Parsons Date: 09 Mar 03 - 11:49 AM Walrus: "Ein Festeberg"= 'a stronghold sure'; Words in "Hymns Ancient and Modern" #678 "God is a stronghold and a tower A help that never faileth A covering shield, a sword of power, When Satan's host assaileth. In vain our crafty foe, Still strives to work us woe, Still lurks and lies in wait With more than earthly hate; We will not faint, nor tremble." Nigel |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: The Walrus Date: 09 Mar 03 - 06:08 PM Nigel, Thanks for the words. Regards Walrus |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: vectis Date: 09 Mar 03 - 07:17 PM Menolly's hymn is called "The Good Old Way" and is a primitive Methodist hymn. My Dad reckons he heard it sung in the chapels round our native village and always thought of it as an Isle of Wight hymn. Others reckon it came originally from the Isle of Man. Either way it's a cracker and I love it as a chorus singer and a as a lead singer. It was really hard going to learn, the phrasing is critical if you want it to sound good. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 09 Mar 03 - 07:41 PM I'm not trying to go out of my way to be obscure here, but my favorite hasn't been mentioned yet. Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Snuffy Date: 09 Mar 03 - 07:49 PM Songs of Praise #436 uses Thomas Carlyle's translation of Luther's words: A safe stronghold our God is still A trusty shield and weapon He'll help us clear from all the ill That has us now o'ertaken The ancient prince of hell Hath risen with purpose fell Strong mail of craft and power He weareth in this hour On earth he hath no fellow |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Nigel Parsons Date: 09 Mar 03 - 08:13 PM A 'Filk' (see elsewhere) was forthcoming for the British Filk convention 'Contabile Fortean'(the fourteanth British Filkcon). Just to give some background, a TV show based on the ideas of Charles Fort was shown in Britain (on channel 4) with Fr. Lionel Fanthorpe as presenter (an Anglican priest who rides a 'Harley' and is listed as the most prolific Sci Fi writer). "There is a Fortean TV show, Devised by father Lionel. The truths of which we'll never know, Or if we know, can never tell. It tells of mis-shaped buns; With features like a nuns. Not raining cats and dogs, But raining showers of frogs. Is there a French Connection?" An early show in the series had both a French 'pain' looking like Mother Theresa, and 'showers' of various animals and fish. However, the main reason for writing the 'filk' was the title of the tune. The song title would become 'Great Fort', and the tune 'A Stronghold Sure' Admittedly an atrocious pun. But what else do you expect ? The subsequent verses are awaiting a listing of the subjects covered in the shows. Nigel |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: sharyn Date: 09 Mar 03 - 11:40 PM Yeah, Mary in Kentucky, that's a very good one and would have been on my favorites list if I had been thinking outside the Anglican hymnal. There is a wonderful rendition of it under the title "I will arise and go to Jesus" on a Good Ol' Persons album. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Haruo Date: 10 Mar 03 - 01:48 AM Most American hymnals use versions of "Ein' feste Burg" that begin A mighty fortress is our God. I'd never seen the HA&M version Nigel quoted from. What version or versions of HA&M does it appear in (after all, the title has been updated repeatedly for more than a century). And speaking of updating, GuestDan, God has a vast linguistic repertoire; in seeking to express ourselves creatively in 16th century English, we seek only to imitate our Maker. BTW, anybody have the music for the Marvin O. Bagman hymn (definitely not one that would cut the mustard for sticklers like Joe F, who would dismiss it on genre grounds) Jesus Is the Telephone Repairman on the Switchboard of My Life, two verses of which are cited in Good Omens (pp. 249 and 251)? ;-) Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Blackcatter Date: 10 Mar 03 - 02:31 AM I have a lot of favoirites - but being Unitarian Universalist, they're probably not well know to most of you. "For All That Is Our Life" "We'll Build A Land" "Morning Has Broken" And my favorite of the ones I have written is below: This is our time © 2000 Thomas E. Cook Tune - "Finlandia" by Sibelius This is our time for peace and understanding. This is our time to celebrate our faith. This is our time to share with all the people Our theme of hope for life on Mother Earth. Our theme of hope it shall be celebrated; It is our path to world community. Our covenant defines our very nature, The principles that guide our very lives: Inherent worth with justice and compassion, Acceptance of each other is our right. Our spirit grows within our congregations. Our spirit flows – the key to all we are. We shall be free to search for truth and meaning. Democracy shall govern our hard work. Community, our goal within all nations. It is with these we hope our faith will lead. It is with these, that web of all existence. Shall prove to be the saving of the earth. pax yall |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Nigel Parsons Date: 10 Mar 03 - 03:28 AM Haruo: "Hymns Ancient & Modern; Standard Edition" (1924) which is the 1889 edition, reset with the second supplement (of 1916) The translator in this version is Elizabeth Wordsworth. I have known this hymn book (in use in my church) from late 1950s to the 1980s when we moved to "Hymns Ancient & Modern; Revised" (1972) which uses the Carlyle translation. Nigel |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Alio Date: 10 Mar 03 - 04:11 AM For me it's "The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended" - I get a shiver up and down my spine when I hear or sing it. Ali |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Joe_F Date: 10 Mar 03 - 09:54 AM Haruo: No, by the Captain Kidd hymn I do not mean "What wondrous love is this", but yet another hymn to the same tune, which begins Through all the world below God is seen all around, Search hills and valleys through, There He's found. The growing of the corn, The lily and the thorn, The pleasant and forlorn, All declare, God is there, In meadows drest in green, God is seen. "Captain Kidd" is a silly name for it, but it is so called in Alan Lomax's _Folk Songs of North America_ (p. 70) & (probably as a consequence) in _Rise Up Singing_. The notes trace it to the _Columbian Harmony_ (1825) & say that it was "first sung in Maryland, early 19th century". |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: IanC Date: 10 Mar 03 - 09:58 AM I think mine has to be "Lord & Father of Mankind". This is despite the inherent irony that it was taken from a poem written by a Quaker who despised hymns (though more than 50 of his poems have been turned into hymns), and the particular irony that the original poem was likening church rituals (including the singing of hymns) to evil and wicked licentious activities. Perhaps, as a Quaker myself, I like that kind of irony. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: clueless don Date: 10 Mar 03 - 11:34 AM In my posting above, I mentioned " ... a Catholic hymn for which I don't know the title or the words, but I am rather fond of the tune." My wife informs me that the opening line of this hymn (which may also be the title?) is "He is born, the child divine". |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,Claymore Date: 10 Mar 03 - 02:07 PM The Navy Hymn (Eternal Father) and Once to Every Man and Nation. There is a bit of history to Once to Every Man and Nation. In the early eighties, the Episcopal Church in America was trying to modernize the liturgical service. They removed the hymn from newer hymnal because it "Implied that God only gave man one chance to do something right, and did not mention eternal forgiveness". George Will (who I believe is Roman Catholic) wrote a stinging editorial, and partly because of this issue, the more conservative portion of the Episcopal Church broke away and became known as Anglo-Catholics. While I am not a devote anything, I do evoke in my will that I be buried "under the 28BCP" (Book Of Common Prayer) and the 1940 Hymnal. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Burke Date: 10 Mar 03 - 05:59 PM I have too many favorites to even start listing them. The "Captain Kidd" hymn is in Southern Harmony. This version, at least, is the traditional folk tune Captain Kidd. Claymore, Anglo-Catholics have been around a lot longer than the 1982 hymnal. Not all have split off. The wonderful Welsh tune, Ton-y-Botel has been used with several sets of words in the 1982 hymnal, even if not Once to Every Man... I'd wager few would care a bit for the words if it was not for the tune. I love this tune, regardless of the words, you might want to check them out. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Snuffy Date: 10 Mar 03 - 07:42 PM Clueless Don, sounds like a translation of the french Il est né, le divin enfant WassaiL! V |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Haruo Date: 10 Mar 03 - 10:10 PM Yes, Il est né is here in English in the Cyberhymnal (the version I know best though, probably from the 1989 United Methodist hymnal, has "divine Christ Child" in lieu of "holy Child"), here (my version) and here (Roger Bernard's) in Esperanto, here in French, and I think I have it somewhere in Japanese if anybody wants it. Though as a Christmas song (and not even a Christmas hymn per se) some would deny it a place in this thread. Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Haruo Date: 10 Mar 03 - 10:12 PM I don't know why I keep forgetting the Captain Kidd hymn. (I embarrass myself before Burke and everybody ;-( ... ) Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: clueless don Date: 11 Mar 03 - 08:47 AM Thank you, Snuffy and Haruo! Shortly after I did my second posting, I did a google search and found the reference to the French "Il Est Ne" (sorry for the lack of diacritical marks, if such are needed.) By the way, Haruo, are you saying that it is not a hymn because it is about Christmas? Or are you merely asserting "It is not a hymn"? If it comes to that, I guess I don't actually know what the definition of a hymn is. My Webster's New World Dictionary gives noun definitions of "hymn" as "1. a song in praise or honor of God, a god, or gods. 2. any song of praise or glorification." I certainly had been under the impression that the song in question was a hymn, at least in its English translations. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Snuffy Date: 11 Mar 03 - 09:02 AM I think Haruo was just following the "definition" of a hymn posted by Joe_F above on 07 Mar 03 - 11:10 AM My "Magical" list includes also (confining myself to hymns in the strictest sense, excluding Christmas carols, gospel songs, spirituals, etc.) But I say, if it's in a hymnbook, it must be a hymn! |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Ella who is Sooze Date: 11 Mar 03 - 09:05 AM I rather like The Old Rugged cross.... but it's a hard one to sing... |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: greg stephens Date: 11 Mar 03 - 11:17 AM Anyone nerdy enough to add up all the votes and give us a running order? I'm too lazy. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Pooby Date: 11 Mar 03 - 11:32 AM It's hard to pick just one, but I'm sure agree with those who favor the Navy Hymn "Eternal Father Strong to Save" (being a sailor makes it that much more appealing). It has a melody that chills me every time, great harmonies, and (in the Lutheran hymnal) a set of alternate lyrics that I also like. I only remember the first verse off the top of my head: My hope is built on nothing less Than Jesus' blood and righteousness No merit of my own I claim But wholly lean on Jesus' name On Christ, the solid rock, I stand All other ground is sinking sand.... I'm thinking of having it sung at my funeral. Poobs |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,boromir Date: 11 Mar 03 - 12:04 PM My norwegian heritage makes me pick "How Great Thou Art" |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,BGwynnRay Date: 11 Mar 03 - 01:33 PM I'm enjoying this thread! You are reminding me of many hymns we used to sing in high school. "How Great Thou Art" was one of my favorites from those days (the school was sponsored by the Covenant Church, and had a very strong Scandinavian influence!) Also, of course, "Jerusalem" (Or "The Holy City"), and "A Might Fortress". In more recent years, I've become especially fond of "On Eagle's Wings", which I first heard at a funeral. To move to an entirely different genre, for the last few days, I've been singing around the house an old gospel song which begins, "Talk about suffering here below, and talk about loving Jesus." Actually, that's why I'm on this site: looking for the rest of the words. It was recorded about forty years ago by (I think) John Jacob Niles, or another unadorned singer of traditional music. All suggestions gratefully welcomed! |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,BGwynnRay Date: 11 Mar 03 - 01:46 PM I just found the answer to my question through the search link; and it wasn't John Jacob Niles, it was Doc Watson whose recording I remember. And the title is "Talk About Suffering!" Now, see, if I had gone straight to the search function instead of getting sidetracked by these messages, I would have had my answer sooner! On the other hand, I wouldn't be reading all these great posts. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Aodh Date: 11 Mar 03 - 03:54 PM As a RC Uibhistaich I have a few favourites, "Colours of Day" "I watch the sun rise" and Latin Hymns: "Ave Verum Corpus Natum", "O Salutaris Hostia". But its the Marian hymns that will always remind me of home, "Hail Queen of Heaven" |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Haruo Date: 11 Mar 03 - 08:50 PM What is an Uibhistaich, RC or otherwise? Google yields zilch, even when i try removing various eyes and aitches. Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Aodh Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:30 PM Roman Catholis South Uist person. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Hrothgar Date: 16 Mar 03 - 02:04 AM Depending on the mood I'm in at the time: 23rd Psalm (Crimond) Sweet Sacranent Divine (old RC communion hymn) Cwm Rhondda Make Me a Channel of Thy Peace (the prayer of St Francis of Assisi) Be Thou My Vision |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: KT Date: 16 Mar 03 - 06:51 AM I love many of those mentioned above. In addition, (and I'm not sure if they fall under the category of hymn or not) here are two more that are among my top ten favorites. Stewards of Earth (particularly these days) STEWARDS OF EARTH All praise to you, O Lord of all creation; You made the world, and it is yours alone, The planet earth you spun in its location Amid the stars adorning heaven's dome. We lease the earth but for a life's duration, Yet for this life it is our cherished home. With grace you clothed the earth in splendor; With teeming life you filled the sea and land. Instill in us a sense of awe and wonder, When we behold the bounty of your hand. Then when we hear the voice of bird or thunder, We hear the voice our faith can understand. To tend the earth is our entrusted duty, For earth is ours to use and not abuse, O gracious Lord, true Source of all resources, Forgive our greed that wields destruction's sword. Then let us serve as wise and faithful stewards, While earth gives glory to creation's Lord. [sung to FINLANDIA, Jean Sibelius] and OF THE FATHER'S LOVE BEGOTTEN Aurelius C. Prudentius, 413, cento, tr. by John. M. Neale, 1854 and Henry W. Baker, 1861 Of the Father's love begotten Ere the worlds began to be, He is Alpha and Omega, He the Source, the Ending He, Of the things that are, that have been, And that future years shall see Evermore and evermore. 2. Oh, that birth forever blessed When the Virgin, full of grace, By the Holy Ghost conceiving, Bore the Saviour of our race, And the Babe, the world's Redeemer, First revealed His sacred face Evermore and evermore. 3. O ye heights of heaven, adore Him; Angel hosts, His praises sing; Powers, dominions, bow before Him And extol our God and King. Let no tongue on earth be silent, Every voice in concert ring Evermore and evermore. 4. This is He whom Heaven-taught singers Sang of old with one accord; Whom the Scriptures of the prophets Promised in their faithful word. Now He shines, the Long-expected; Let creation praise its Lord Evermore and evermore. 5. Christ, to Thee, with God the Father, And, O Holy Ghost, to Thee Hymn and chant and high thanksgiving And unending praises be, Honor, glory, and dominion, And eternal victory Evermore and evermore. |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Haruo Date: 17 Mar 03 - 12:21 AM When youse guys say "Cwm Rhondda" is one of your favorite hymns, what words are you thinking of (to me, anyhow, "Cwm Rhondda" is a tune, not a text; so it might be my favorite hum, but not my favorite hymn)? Are you thinking of a Welsh text (like Wele'n sefyll rhwng y myrtwydd or Arglwydd, arwain trwy'r anialwch, or an English text like God of Grace and God of Glory or Guide me, O thou great Jehovah? Or what? Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Hrothgar Date: 17 Mar 03 - 04:15 AM Guide me, O thou great Jehovah. When God really wants people to sing, He teaches them English. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Nigel Parsons Date: 17 Mar 03 - 04:18 AM Hrothgar: When God wants good singing he allows inspiration in foreign languages, to stop the English ! |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: IanC Date: 17 Mar 03 - 05:51 AM KT Well, you got me fully beaten ... the Mudcat never ceases to amaze me. The "Stewards of The Earth" hymn is a loose translation of "Caedmon's Hymn" (written around 670-680 AD) - the first hymn ever written in the English language. I know, because I've been trying to write a good translation into modern English for a month or two! Here's the original Nu scylun hergan hefaenricaes uard, metudæs maecti end his modgidanc, uerc uuldurfadur, sue he uundra gihuaes, eci dryctin, or astelidæ. He aerist scop aelda barnum heben til hrofe, haleg scepen; tha middungeard moncynnæs uard, eci dryctin, æfter tiadæ firum foldu, frea allmectig. Do you know where it came from (what hymnal, who translated it?) Here's some other attempts at translating it. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: KT Date: 17 Mar 03 - 10:13 PM Hi IanC. I wish I could give you more information. The truth is, I've heard the song sung only once, by a congregation, but I was so moved by it that the tune committed itself to my memory. I found the words at this site, after doing a Google search. href="http://www.http://www.cbconf.org/shareware.nsf/pages/stewards.htm">Click here I hope that blicky works. So far, I have been unable to find any more info on it, but if I do, I'll be happy to pass it on to you. KT |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: KT Date: 17 Mar 03 - 10:15 PM okay...try again Click here |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Beccy Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:03 PM Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence ...is a GREAT one. It makes me think of great, huge, dark, stone cathedrals and High Church type stuff (being a Baptist, all that other stuff is uber romantic :-) Beccy |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Bassic Date: 12 Jul 03 - 09:04 AM Menolly`s post about "Lift up your hearts" prompted me to remember my old school song which has the same first line. Words: Henry Montague Butler, 1881 Music: Walter Greatorex, 1916 Tune: Woodlands "Lift up your hearts!" We lift them, Lord to thee; Here at thy feet none other may we see. "Lift up your hearts!" Even so with one accord, We lift them up, we lift them to the Lord. Above the level of the former years, The mire of sin, the slough of guilty fears, The mist of doubt, the blight of love's decay, O Lord of light, lift all our hearts today. Above the swamps of subterfuge and shame, The deeds, the thoughts that honour may not name, The halting tongue that dares not tell the whole, O Lord of truth, lift every Christian soul. Lift every gift that Thou Thyself has given; Low lies the best till lifted up to heaven; Low lie the bounding heart, the teeming brain Till, sent from God, they mount to God again. Then as the trumpet-call in after years, "Lift up your hearts!" rings pealing in our ears, Still shall those hearts respond with full accord, "We lift them up, we lift them to the Lord!" Type the first line into Google and there are several options with midi versons to listen too. It still LIFTS UP MT HEART when I hear it!! |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,Dale Date: 12 Jul 03 - 11:09 AM I missed seeing this thread the first time by, but am thoroughly enjoying it now. First, the songs I am used to hearing are for the most part what I call gospel songs rather than hymns. I'll try to leave them for another thread, another day. When I used to visit my older sister as a child, I always loved to go to the Lutheran Church she attended because I knew almost for certain that I'd get to hear "A Mighty Fortress" which we never sang. I have never heard it except by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, but "Come, Come Ye Saints" surely has to qualify, though I am afraid the tune and the MTC are what give it my vote. "In Heavenly Love Abiding" |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,boab d(as a guest again) Date: 12 Jul 03 - 11:28 AM This different computer thing is a wee pain sometimes but I'm too lazy to do anything about it. Any way I was just scanning through and saw this again and I cant beleive that it's still going good and some wee crackers mentioned. Well my wee song isnt getting played at my wedding next year as the organist has the song but his version is really slow and well miserable which is a shame. Fortunately however my big sister is going to be singing that old Kris Kristofferson favourite One Day At A Time which is sung in churches and religous places these days so I take it that its a hymn now well I hope so cos it's really nice. And we're singing One More Step Along the road along with Give Me Joy In My Heart not my choice but hey you have to do the old compromise thing if your getting married Cheers again Dylan |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,Gin Date: 12 Jul 03 - 05:14 PM "Drop, drop slow tears And bathe those beauteous feet, Which brought from heaven the news and Prince of Peace! In Your deep floods, d rown all my faults and fears, Nor let His eye see sin, But through my tears. Cease not, wet eyes, His mercy to entreat, To cry for vengeance, Sin doth never cease." |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Catherine Jayne Date: 12 Jul 03 - 05:17 PM Guest, Gin....I love that hymn. I sang it for my Deans Chorister Award when I was in Selby Abbey Choir!! Khatt |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Joe_F Date: 12 Jul 03 - 05:42 PM Haruo: Confession time. The only *words* I know to Cwm Rhondda are: ||: You must eat when you are hungry, You must drink when you are dry. :|| You must rest when you are weary. ||: Don't stop breathing, or you'll die. :|| Father's pants will soon fit Willie. Will 'e wear 'em? Willie will.... |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: GUEST,Bill Date: 12 Jul 03 - 06:49 PM Just stumbled upon this thread. Just been playing Be thou my vision on my dobro. Check out Rob Ickes (on Rounder label) for some glorious gospel "slidy tunes". I was interested to hear it was a Northumbrian pipe tune -- must search out a rendering. Play on! |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: cetmst Date: 13 Jul 03 - 07:48 AM "How Great Thou Art", "My God and I", "The Holy City", "Consider the Lilies", my view colored by the fact that as a teenager my wife sang these as church solos, one of many reasons we married. One Sunday morning shortly before we were married we had been out until 3:00 AM and when she started "How Beautiful Upon the Mountain" the first note came out as a God-awful croak. Her mother sitting beside me glared at me, but she signaled her sister at the organ to begin again and sang it flawlessly. She never sang "Be Thou My Vision" but it is our favorite. Also have a fondness for some unfortunately titled songs, "Jesus Lay in a Basement", "Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear" and the incestuous "Gentle Mary Laid Her Son" |
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Subject: RE: Your Favourite Hymn From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Jul 03 - 11:43 AM cetmst: please clarify, did your fiance sing it the second time, or your soon-to-be Mother-in-law ? Nigel |
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Subject: RE: Favourite Hymn From: Uncle Jaque Date: 13 Jul 03 - 12:59 PM From the 1860's, and still occasionally found in a pew Hymnal; "My Jesus; I Love Thee" "My Jesus, I love thee; I know thou art mine. For Thee all the fo-o-lly of sin, I resign; My pre-cious Re-de-ee-mer; My Sa-a-viour art Tho-ou... If e-ver I lo-o-ved thee; My Je-e-sus; 'tis now! (I'm sure its in the Digitrad; I don't seem to have a transcription of it on file). A little tricky on the guitar, fingerpicking as I think it needs to be. There are several bars which require a seperate chord for each note, and they move right along! Great left-hand excersize! If anyone would like a scanning of my archival score with my guitar chord arrangement (not garr-un-teed to be all that proper, BTW - but they work 4 me), I'd be glad to send as e-mail ATT.. It would be nice with a harp and/or cello, I would think. |
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