The Weekly Walkabout

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 12:48 PM

...they have plenty of source-singer recordings, etc., at the EFDSS, Spaw.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Stu
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 12:52 PM

Seriously WAV, check out the source singers - here's a link to the Harry Cox album 'A Bonny Labouring Boy' which is an excellent place to start Amazon.

This stuff is fundamental to the tradition, and everything else follows from these singers . . .

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 03:00 PM

Exactly so. stigweard is right.

"Quavery voice, very iffy sense of pitch, no breath support, raspy quality in the voice."

Okay, let's get serious!

WAV, what I wrote above is an accurate assessment of your singing voice. But—this is curable. I should have actually put "no breath support" first, because that's the basic cause of the problem. With lack of good breath support, a voice will wobble and wander off pitch. And the raspy sound is occuring because the vocal cords are not receiving enough breath passing over them to sustain a constant tone.

If you want to sing, you can't be timid and wimpy about it.

First of all, you need to loosen your jaw and open your throat. Relax your jaw muscles and let your jaw hang slack. Wobble it back and forth until there is no tension in your jaw muscles. Then yawn a couple of times. This will open and relax your throat.

Take a good lungful of air. Breath from your diaphragm. When you take a proper breath, the diaphragm moves downward and pushes your abdomen outward, which is why people sometimes describe good breath support as "singing from the stomach," which, of course, is an anatomical impossibility.   A good exercise for breath control is to take a good breath (but don't overfill your lungs) and blow a thin stream of air, as if you are blowing at a candle flame, making it flicker, but not blowing hard enough to blow it out. As you do this, count:   one count per second, and try to count as high as you can before you have to stop and inhale again. Try for ten at first, then up to fifteen or twenty. This will help strengthen your diaphragm and help you learn to control the flow of your breath, which is essential for singing well.

By the way, most of the source singers, or people who have been singing all their lives, tend to do this naturally. But not everyone learns to do it well, and these folks generally just don't sing.

Sing scales and parts of scales. Here is a good collection of vocal exercises:   CLICKY.   Download them, print them out (including the instructions beginning on page 4), and practice them—with good breath support. And more good information here:   CLICKY #2.

And sing out like you mean it! But at the same time, remember that shouting is not singing. When singing, you should feel the front of your face above and below your eyes vibrating or "buzzing." You can get this feeling by humming an "mmmmmmm." You should feel that vibration all the time when you're singing.

And don't worry:    this kind of practice will not make you sound like an opera singer. Believe me, it won't.

If you're going to do this, you may as well learn to do it right.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 03:53 PM

In terms of listening to and learning from Harry Cox, Stigweard, yes, I would be a starter, and I'll keep that CD in mind, thanks; but, in terms of others (e.g. Sam Larner, Joseph Taylor), I'm not, frankly.
To Don: I hadn't heard much in the way of your particular critique before (shoehorning and tempo too slow, instead), but I have heard most of what you said on technique and drills before. However, rather than go through scales, I prefer to play a line, sing a line, play a line (with my tenor-recorder/English flute). If nothing else, this has improved my ear a tad as, starting this year, I have begun to write music by mimicing my Chants/songs on this instrument (having learnt to read just the top-line melody a couple of years ago).

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 04:01 PM

"First of all, you need to loosen your jaw and open your throat. Relax your jaw muscles and let your jaw hang slack. Wobble it back and forth until there is no tension in your jaw muscles."

Sounds like Spaw when he walked into the backyard and found one of his weimaraners engaging in rampant sexual union with the Fuller Brush lady...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 04:17 PM

Sounds like the bishop giving instruction to the actress, to me....

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 04:19 PM

Actually Hawk, I think its more the sound of a cow with a Dachshund up its ass.............

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: irishenglish
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 04:21 PM

Ok WAV, I don't understand this at all-"In terms of listening to and learning from Harry Cox, Stigweard, yes, I would be a starter, and I'll keep that CD in mind, thanks; but, in terms of others (e.g. Sam Larner, Joseph Taylor), I'm not, frankly."

Are you simply saying you have listened to Larner and Taylor, etc, but not Harry Cox yet? Or are you saying they aren't your cup of tea?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 04:36 PM

They are my cup of traditional "tea", IE.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 09:08 PM

WAV, playing the line on the recorder first and then singing it as a way of trying to stay on pitch I'm afraid isn't working for you. What you need to do is practice. If you don't already have the tune solidly in your "mind's ear," without having to play it on the recorder immediately before you sing it, then you don't know the tune! And if you don't know the tune, you're not even close to being ready to put your singing before the public.

Record youself, then listen to yourself critically. And if it sounds fine to you, have someone else--not a friend or relative, but someone objective--listen to it and give you an honest opinion. And listen to what they say.

Unless you want to be an object if pity and ridicule, for cryin' out loud, don't put your singing on the internet until you can at least sing on pitch and hold a steady, firm tone that doesn't wobble all over the place!

I'm not trying to put you down. This is just very good advice. If you have any ambitions as a singer, what you've already posted on MySpace can come back to haunt you!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 09:46 PM

Actually, without you taking this the wrong way - from your OWN page...

"whether fluating, reading, chanting, or singing, I nearly always take one breath per line, and one swallow per stanza - a phrasing that makes it easier to know where I'm up to."

If you even have to THINK about this, let alone mention it to others, then your breathing (as others have said about breath support) is not under control sufficently for you to really be trying to perform in public.

It should be so naturally ingrained that EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT should be unecessary.

Breathing 'from the diaphram', or as I do, having done Oriental Martial art and health excercises, 'from the Dan Tein' practised properly, will enable you sing (or play any wind instrument!) a whole bloody STANZA in one breath!!! :-)

I'm NOT making that up you know!

Have you ever been in or near one of those 'ball clanker competitions' when singers try to outlast each other with a steady tone on a single breath?

You can then easily pick the 'real breathers'... provided I have a minute amount of warning and can 'fill my lungs', I can last with the best of them and can even 'force breathe' the dregs to keep the tone going way past 'normal emptying of the lungs'.

But I also did Live Theatre training - actors first learn to BREATHE, then speak. Breathing excercises are part of Basic Theatre Training - it is ASSUMED that you can do this before you even start on other stage techniques. Intercostal breathing is also a 'capacity extender' that stage actors and 'real singers' (read opera and other classically trained voices) can call on. I've actually watched a famous pop singer struggle with her breathing (using your silly and useless one breath per line stuff!) while singing the Aussie National Anthem for a major public event... If you are just trying to control your breathing 'one breath per line', you can't perform - a wind instrument player uses the breathing to control legato phrasing (across more than 'one line') to get meanings as does a 'real singer'.

This 'real breathing' I talked about allows you to get 'projection' - which is WHY Opera Singers can fill a large hall without microphones.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now whatever 'performance style' you want is unrelated to any to of this 'breathing stuff' - do what you want, chant, verse, whatever, but until you learn to BREATHE PROPERLY - and some will never manage without proper training from a qualified teacher, you will never gain much respect for your performances, sadly. This is why I don't have a lot of time for most 'pop singers', but there are a few who are 'Can Beltos'... :-)

Oh - and the whole 'breath support' stuff applies whether singing or playing ANY wind instrument. Just that singers are the most noticed and painfully affected by lack of breath support.

Robin

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Jul 08 - 09:49 PM

"you don't know the tune"

I know someone who used to have to listen to the tune on their walkman via headphones while on stage about to perform - before they could perform... but the place was very encouraging to beginners - that person has now got past that...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:27 AM

Mudcat's very own version of Florence Foster Jenkins

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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:20 AM

As I said, I'm aware of different breathing techiniques and exercises (I used to get a "Musician's Channel" that looked at them), and I've heard someone do the whole tune as an into. to Greensleeves (as I do), on an oboe, ON ONE BREATH; and I've heard others breathe during lines. However, I stand by my traditional one-breath-per-line phrasing.
Also, I only have the cheapest Argos digital camera, and therefore can only record a video without sound - however, on either myspace or youtube, you may like to view another breathing-type exercise I do: i.e., going through a 2-octave chromatic-scale on the tenor-recorder/English-flute, which takes about 40 seconds, on one breath.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:28 AM

Sorry - I think that oboe player actually used two breaths on "Greensleeves": one for the verse and one for the chorus (where as I use 4).

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 08:08 AM

Hey Dumbass.......You've got a few people who are truly trying to pass along some good advice and knowledge and you're getting all defensive about "your traditional way" instead of listening to them. What you're doing doesn't work as anyone can readily tell simply by listening.

Your voice sucks, Own up to it. Mine does too but I just sing with friends and informally. Yours may be worse than mine and you think its fine. Wake up Shitforbrains! You're bad, awful, horrendous.......You stink!

Quit defending your gawdawful voice and try to take a few well meant words of advice. Geeziz..............Enough with the broke-dick mamalucca personality..................


Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 08:53 AM

"mamalucca"

er, wot's one of them then?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 08:53 AM

It IS subjective, Spaw: others on Mudcat, Myspace, festival comp's, singarounds etc. - "simplistic but superlative", "good voice", etc.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:16 AM

"my traditional one-breath-per-line phrasing"

Documentation please!



Oh - YOUR TRADITION (that YOU started!) ... ok... mumble, mumble...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:17 AM

""mamalucca"

er, wot's one of them then?"

Marmamlade left out of the fridge for a year?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:28 AM

"I've heard others breathe during lines. However, I stand by my traditional one-breath-per-line phrasing. "

I've told this tale before, but am unlikely to find it, so I'll tell it again.

I was having a Shaihatsu Massage in The Valley Mall. There was a guy nearby who I had met around the folkie scene, new to the (irish) whistle, playing something or other.

It took about 10-15 mins for my relaxed brain to trigger why what he was playing was NOT MUSIC!!! and why I had not recognised the common session 'tunes'...

He would start, play a flat out string of notes without any phrasing or much recognition of the fact that different notes were supposed 'to last different periods of time for a tune to be', then stop for a breath WHEREVER HE RAN OUT OF BREATH, then keep going again...

He too 'had a tradition'...

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:40 AM

I said above, Foolestroupe, that I have heard, e.g., some source singers, who, at least mostly, do, indeed, also, take one breath per line; and I've heard poetry recited, well, the same way.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:50 AM

Geeziz, you really ARE a stupid fuckin' jadrool.......To quote Dylan, "Its a wonder that you still know how to breathe." Then again, you obviously don't..................You're so dumb ya' gotta' be twins.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 09:56 AM

"I said above, Foolestroupe, that I have heard, e.g., some source singers, who, at least mostly, do, indeed, also, take one breath per line; and I've heard poetry recited, well, the same way."

Yep, so have all of us, and like the whistle player I mentioned (ANY ONE has tried to ever teach music can attest to similar behaviour among keen 'know-all' students!) it must be remembered that NOT ALL TRADITIONS ARE TO BE ENCOURAGED...

SOME POETRY RUNS OVER LINE ENDS...

Caesar entered: on his head,
his helmet; on his arm,
his sheild; in his hand,
his trusty sword; walking swiftly.

The way Shakespeare wrote it...

is NOT the same as

Caesar entered on his head
his helmet on his arm
his shield in his hand
his trusty sword walking swiftly.

....

:-)


"To the ignorant fool, all is bliss"
© THE AUTHOR

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 10:11 AM

"(Irish) whistle" (Foolestroupe)...do you mean Irish music played on the English penny whistle?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 10:16 AM

"simplistic but superlative"

That's open to interpretation.

I don't think I've ever seen such good advice freely given on this site - I'll be copying and pasting some of this myself.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 10:32 AM

Hey Stiggie........THIS THREAD (AND THE OTHERS LINKED AT ITS TOP) has a lot of free info and that's been a part of the "Mudcat Tradition" from the beginning!(:<))

Enjoy! I'm sure none of it will affect Walksaboutactinglikeadipshit but he can go polish Prince Charlie's knob.

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 10:47 AM

I'm no monarchist, Catspaw, nor knob-polisher - and where's your kittie litter?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 11:26 AM

Thanks for the link Spaw.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Gene Burton
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 04:35 PM

Catspaw, you really do the English language quite an injustice. I mean, really, what's it ever done to you?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 04:45 PM

...Catspaw would make a bullocky blush.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 04:58 PM

Am I to understand that someone with editing capability here changed this man's poem, with the intent of mocking him, and though he has asked to have it changed back, no one has?

Am I also to understand that anyone can mock him in verse but that he is only allowed to post one verse a week?

May I ask what is so offensive about his poetry?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Gene Burton
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:07 PM

"May I ask what is so offensive about his poetry?"

Actually, I've been wondering about that myself. Some of it's actually pretty good. I've certainly read a damn sight worse. You'd have hoped most reasonable people would be capable of judging art in islation from the views of its creator- after all some of the greatest poets of the English language had reactionary views.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Gene Burton
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:13 PM

Philip Larkin for one- if language was an instrument, Larkin would be a virtuoso.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:20 PM

Personally I don't see anything wrong with Catspaw's English, it's straightforward and to the point, no messing about.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:21 PM

Thanks for the concern and support, Gene and Jack: I have only done level 1, and a bit of level 2, in computers, so I've no idea how - but, yes, someone has definitely hacked-in and changed my spelling, e.g., on the first peom, which I copy/pasted from my site, where the spelling is "Pennine" NOT "Penile". The moderators can, and have, corrected suchlike before for me, and may do so again when they notice these last few posts.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:30 PM

". . . my traditional one-breath-per-line phrasing."

That's just bloody ridiculous, WAV. That's like saying that the structure (line length, meter, and rhyme-scheme) of a poem have more importance than its meaning, in which lies its story (if there is one) and its imagery. And meaning and imagery are conveyed, not by following some arbitrary notion such as "one breath per line," it is conveyed by phrasing. And traditional singers do not limit themselves to that "one breath per line" nonsense. Where in blazes did you get that notion? Certainly not by listening with your brain engaged.

No matter how long or short the lines of a poem / song may be, phrase according to what the words mean. I have heard hundreds if not thousands of singers of all kinds and genres—including vast numbers of traditional singers—and that is what those who are anywhere from halfway decent to truly excellent do. It's only the really bad singers who buy into the kind of arbitrary, nonsensical ideas that you seem to cling to.

I must know something about it, WAV, because I've made a living singing in concerts, clubs, coffeehouses, and on television since the late 1950s, I worked for eight years as an on-the-air broadcaster, and recently I have appeared at, and participated in, a series of poetry readings by a real poet, Jana Harris, who has several collections of poems published and a DVD (and possible television show) of the poetry readings in the works. I have also recorded—at his request—several poems by Richard Patrick Gibbons (who wrote Sully's Pail—recorded by Tom Paxton—and a number of other songs) for a CD of his poems that he is preparing for release and soon to be put on a web-site which is currently under construction.

Several people here, who have a vast fund of knowledge, have tried to be helpful to you in your stumbling, bumbling efforts, WAV, but you seem to be oblivious and keep right on with the same brainless braying. I'm beginning to think you are beyond help.

You can lead an ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Gene Burton
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:34 PM

"...straightforward and to the point"

Oh, come on. "Mamalucca"; "Jadrool"; "Gezeez"? None of these are even words. There may be an internal coherence there; but if so I'd say he's pretty backed up. Is he entirely well?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:35 PM

Is the person saying that someone has deliberately and with malice aforethought hacked into this website and changed the wording of his posts and the spelling of his words?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:49 PM

Lord Batman, I think he is saying that some one substituted "Penile" for "pennile" on his post without his permission. It was I that attributed the motive of mockery. I could be wrong, perhaps it was spellcheckery and different dictionaries were used.

In answer to Don Firth's post. Did wav ask for the the spew of "knowledge" and mockery that I see on your post and on this thread?

the work identified as "Poem 136 of 230: LANCASHIRE SUNG SIMPLY" seems to be a simple little word picture of lancashire. I frankly do not understand the hostility that posting it has generated. If he were to post all 230 of the poems here would anyone be harmed? At the very least the venom and mockery would, presumably be vented more quickly.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 05:59 PM

One endeavors to be helpful, Jack. That's one of the nice points about Mudcat. I have often benefitted from the knowledge of other Mudcatters, and whenever possible, I like to return the favor.

I assumed that WAV, an obvious neophyte, could benefit by some suggestions and advice. And you will note that I am not the only one who offered such.

But obviously, the effort is fruitless. And unappreciated.

Don Firth (with better things to do with my time)

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:00 PM

It does seem to me that this person's work has definitely generated a certain level of hostility, personally I see no harm to it and, at least, he has the bottle to post his work on the net. There are far worse things out there than the poetry of this person.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: irishenglish
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:02 PM

JTS, look not just at this thread but the following threads-Glastonbury Folk Festival, English Cittern, English Folk Degree, English Country Dancing Please for some of the clues about why some of us question WAV. He was posting his poems for a long time on the walkaboutsverse thread, it has now been switched to this one. The switching to penile is juvenile, and should be changed however. I started out, actually believing in principle, some of his notions. But his posts and threads become more about self promotion of his beliefs he has written about on his website. Whenever any of us challenge him on specific points, most of the time he does not respond, or quotes ad infinitum from the same website, which is not really answering the question. I wrote a long response to him the other day on the Glastonbury thread. Despite all that, he sent me early birthday greetings, which I thanked him for, because see, the thing is-we might like to banter with him the same as others on here that we disagree with, if he would only answer directly, and not with a cut and paste from his website!

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:05 PM

Jack, what is happening here is that a gang of Mudcat friends have gathered, just as in a schoolyard, and they are having a great old time picking on "the dweeb", as they have decided to treat WAV in that fashion here.

Kids love doing that, and most adults have not grown up nearly as much as they think they have...so they love doing it too.

That's what is happening on WAV's threads.

If you recognize it as a form of hazing or bullying...well, you are quite correct. It begins at a certain level on the part of a handful of people, then other people jump on the bandwagon, and it accelerates. If those people are all each other's friends, well, then they think it's "okay" to do that and they figure that the "dweeb" deserves everything he is getting. They are emboldened by each other's support.

There have been times when I thought that maybe WAV was deliberately doing the stuff he does here just for laughs...in which case he probably wouldn't mind people making fun of it, but lately I'm not so sure if that is the case. It gets a little hard to figure out exactly what is going on here.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:12 PM

Right from the beginning, the postings from WalkaboutsVerse and the numerous threads he has started all belong under the heading of "SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION." This is not a person who is interested in the interchange and exchange of knowledge and information that is one of the major hallmarks of Mudcat. He is interested only in feeding his ego and blowing his own horn.

Not that he has much to be egotistical about!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:20 PM

Oh? Well, perhaps. I had the impression he was just amusing himself.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:24 PM

If he is not interested in exchange of knowledge and information then why offer it to him?
I would take

"SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION."

as being somewhat tongue in cheek. But I would not take is as an invitation to critique, or to discuss one's muse. His poems are self admittedly simple and easy to understand. The simple choice on the part of the reader would be to enjoy them or not.

I see where you are all coming from and will certainly admit to having been there myself, part of the pack on the playground LH describes, throwing a barb or two of my own.

As for WAV, I am finding myself admiring his restraint and composure. I shall try to take his patience as a role model. I hope the Moderators soon see fit to correct the vandalism of his poem and that they will take measures to see that such "hacking" does not occur in future.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:40 PM

So it wasn't Penile then? I thought WAV might be straying into some seriously surreal psycho-sexual imagery with that one, but you're quite right to be pissed off with this sort of tampering; shame on the perpetrators (moderators?).

Otherwise, WAV - your post of 4.45 today is priceless; good to see such vivid antipodean colloquialisms aren't being lost in your rush to repatriate.

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: GUEST,What a peculiar world!
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 06:44 PM

Perhaps stigweard, Don Firth, irishenglish, Foolestroupe, and others should simply look the other way when someone is obviously drowning, and if he doesn't explicitly call for help, just let the bugger drown. Would that satisfy the peanut gallery?

Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jul 08 - 07:45 PM

I changed it to "Pennine" in the first message, as requested. I can't imagine that a moderator would change it to "Penile." Could it be you made a typographical error in the first post? Could it be you made a Freudian slip?
Can't say I know anything about a "weekly allotment," either.
The previous thread was getting hit by a steady stream of Spam, so it was closed. It should have been identified as "closed due to Spam," but it wasn't. Sorry about the omission.
-Joe Offer-