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songs to the tune of Star of the County Down

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I HEARD THE VOICE OF JESUS SAY
MURDER OF MARIA MARTIN
ROGER THE MILLER
STAR OF THE COUNTY DOWN
THE MAID OF MOURNE SHORE
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GUEST,Johh Hill 02 Feb 01 - 11:41 AM
GUEST,Annraoi 03 Feb 01 - 08:32 AM
InOBU 14 Oct 03 - 10:15 PM
GUEST,Anne 24 Oct 03 - 11:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Oct 03 - 12:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,Johh Hill
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 11:41 AM

The tune is an old Irish Air. Star of the County down is only one of the many songs that has used it. In my opinion its better played as the original slow air. I don't this that the speeded up versions like "Star" does it justice. I believe that the original Air was called "My love Nell" ... maybe someone has put words to it since with the same name.
I do a version of "The Lancashire Lads" with this tune that I got off Mike Harding.


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Subject: RE: Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 08:32 AM

I think that there is a whole "family" of songs in both Irish and English, whose tunes are based on that of the "Star of the Co. Down". Two which spring to mind are "Liam Ó Raghaille" from Connacht and "A Chomaraigh Aoibhinn, Ó" fron Munster.
The queation of the age of the air is something I am not competent to answer.
Annraoi


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BALLAD OF RICHARD MURRAY (Otway)
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Oct 03 - 10:15 PM

Here is one I wrote, from a story told to me by Anna L. Curtis when I was a child. She was the granddaughter of a conductor on the Underground railroad...

THE BALLAD OF RICHARD MURRAY
Words Lorcan Otway, all rights reserved, Tune, Star of the County down....

In eighteen hundred and fifty six, I was in my eleventh year
There came a pounding at the door, which seized my heart with fear
For I knew we Quakers were hated, for our love of liberty
For my parents were abolitionists, and foes of slavery


My father, John Murray, cracked the door and the he peered outside
When a burly man forced the door open, and pushed him to one side
He glanced around the room then said, I see you're all at home
He then went out to his men, leaving us, for a time, alone

My father knew they would search the barn, and find our horses gone
So he told me to go up to my room, and t'is that, that I would have done
But I paused a moment on the stair, and I know I was not to have seen
My mother leading a Black man, to the room where I had been

Then my father called me down again, and he sat me by the fire
And he told me to pop some corn, and fear not what ere may transpire
For there came a hammering at the door, "Break it in" the men did call
So my father threw the door open wide, and three men fell into our hall

When they regained their feet again, their anger cause me alarm
"We're after a nigger slave this night, who ran off from his master's farm"
"Thee will find no slaves in this house, my friend, only folks as free as thee
But, welcome to look as hard as thee may, thou wilt not be stopped by me "

I tried to look calm as I wondered where on earth our guest might hide
In so plain and small a room as this, and I glanced from side to side
My mother handed a candle, to the men to give them light
"Take care that thee should not curse the dark," she said with some delight

Our home was then filled with sounds of men searching everywhere
Every room and closet was opened but they found no escapee there
At last they left, and even said, they were sorry for the harm
Having broken a chair, when they tumbled in, it was that which they fell upon

What did thee do with that man Father, I asked, once the men were gone
So thee saw, my father said to me, it is time thee learned my son
He motioned me up from the hearthstone, then moved it to one side
And there I saw a room below, where several might safely hide

"Can I come up now" came a voice from the dark,
"Yes I think it is safe for thee now"
And, I was introduced to Samuel then, I was proud I do allow
For I was now a conductor on our railroad underground
And I'd do my part for justice, until freedom's bell would sound


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Subject: RE: Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,Anne
Date: 24 Oct 03 - 11:53 PM

I believe Connie Dover does a Jacobite song/poem (you never can really tell what he intended for some of these) by Burns, "Somebody", to Star of the C.D.


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Subject: Lyr Add: FOR THE SAKE OF SOMEBODY (Robert Burns)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Oct 03 - 12:17 AM

Burn's song, "For the Sake of Somebody," is not Jacobite in intent; it is a song of longing and love. Sung to the tune prescribed by Burns, "The Highland Watch's Farewell," it goes:

FOR THE SAKE OF SOMEBODY

My heart is sair, I dare not tell,
My heart is sair for somebody;
I could wake a winter night,
For the sake o' somebody!
Oh-hon! for somebody!
Oh-hey! for somebody!
I could range the world around
For the sake of somebody.

Ye powers that smile on virtuous love,
O sweetly smile on somebody;
Frae ilka danger keep him free,
And send me safe my somebody.
Oh-hon! for somebody!
Oh-hey! for somebody!
I wad do- what wad I not?
For the sake o' somebody!


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Subject: RE: Star of the County Down
From: BlueSage
Date: 25 Sep 05 - 10:59 PM

There's a Mormon hymn set to the same melody (in 4/4 not 3/4) that goes by the title: "If You Could Hie To Kolob". (Words by William W. Phelps 1792-1872)

Mike


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Subject: RE: Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,dancinajig
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 03:41 PM

if it helps, the wolfetones have covered star of the county down, and so have the pogues.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 05:26 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 05:35 PM

...in relation to ongoing thread on Dives & Lazarus or vice versa.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: JohnnyP
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 05:41 AM

I remember having a discussion many years ago about how close Brigg Fair was to Star of the County Down (not geographically, obviously).


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: Lighter
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 07:58 AM

Does anybody know just when McGarvey wrote the song? One website says it was in 1920, which feels rather late to me.

The melody associated with the "Star" words is rather more graceful than its relatives. Was McGarvey responsible for that as well?


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,Long Lankin
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 08:08 AM

The tune is a varient of "Divers (or Diverus) and Lazarus" (of which there are many) and so predates the words to "Star of the County Down". Maybe the question should be "What other songs use the same tune as Star of the County Down?"

No idea what the tune is called - most people will know it by the name of the song they sing to it. I have "Divers and Lazarus" itself, "The Unquiet Grave" (another Child ballad) and aleast two other songs that all use varients of the same tune.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,Charlie O' Brien
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:58 AM

There is a lovely song "Mo Shlán Beo Soir" which was written out in American by a man from South Kerry pining for home, the air is the same as The Star of the Country Down. The song was written in 1905 and can be found recorded by Molly Uí Chofaigh in a collection of sean-nós songs from Úibh Ráthach called "Maidin Bog Alainn."


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: nickp
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 11:07 AM

"Patrick's Island" written by Ian Scott Massie probably about 1978


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 12:47 PM

Recollection just come back to me ~ many years ago [about 1957] a young Irishman at one of the EFDSS monthly Sunday afternoon singarounds which Peter Kennedy ran at C#Hse sang a song to this tune, about a polisman IIRC, with burden or refrain-line "Are you there Moriar-i-ty?" [pronounced 'Morry-are-eye-tea'].

Dredged up from this distant memory:
"I'm a ??? copper of the ??? force
I'm a member of the ??C; [the C presumably for Constabulary?]
And the people cry as I pass by
'Are you there Moriar-i-ty?'"


Does this ring any bell with anyone?

~Michael~


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROCKS OF SCILLY
From: RTim
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 01:29 PM

I recorded the version below to the said tune on my George Blake's Legacy CD a couple of years ago.
Collected from George Blake in St., Denys, Hampshire by Dr. George Gardiner in 1906.

Tim Radford


THE ROCKS OF SCILLY.

It's of a brisk young seaman bold that ploughed the raging main.
Come listen to my tragedy, while I relate the same.
It's pressed I was from my true love, She's the girl that I adore,
And sent I was to the raging seas, where the foaming billows roar.

We had not sailed a league on sail before a storm did rise,
May the Lord have mercy on our souls, so dismal was the skies.
Sometimes aloft, sometimes on deck and the other time below,
When the thoughts of my Polly love run in my mind when the foaming billows roar.

Our Captain being a valiant man he on the deck did stand,
'Here's a full reward of fifty pounds for the first that could see land.'
Then up aloft our boatswain went on the main topsail so high,
He looked around on every side, neither land nor life could spy.

The very first time our ship she struck so loud against a rock,
May the Lord have mercy on our souls for the deep must be our lot.
And out of eight hundred seamen bold only four got safe on shore,
Our galliant [sic] ship to pieces went and she was never seen any more.

And when the news to Plymouth came, our galliant [sic] ship was lost,
Caused many a brisk young seaman bold for to lament her loss.
And Polly dear she must lament for the loss of her sweetheart,
ÔTwas the raging seas and the stormy winds caused my love and I to part.

Gardiner mss. no. 344, and it would seem that the text for this song was collected on two separate occasions with very slight word changes, first In June 1906 in notebook no. 7 page 61 and then November 1907 in notebook No. 12 page 101. Blake's title in the manuscript of 1906 is 'It's of a Brisk Young Seaman Bold'; only later is it called 'The Rocks of Scilly'. Tune is Star of County Down


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Subject: Lyr Add: WEARY OLD FOLK TUNE
From: Acorn4
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 01:58 PM

WEARY OLD FOLK TUNE

I am a weary old folk tune, it's ofttimes you've heard me played,
Like when orders came one afternoon that we were to march away,
From Bantry Bay down to Derry Quay from Galway to Dublin Town,
To the Lowlands of Holland I've well and truly done the rounds.

Like when I told of three gallant poachers one March evening a plan they made,
With trap and snare and with finger in their ear, by the gamekeepers were waylaid,
For the singing of folk songs out of season straightway they were condemned
To fourteen years transportay-she-aye-on unto Van Diemen's Land.

Well as the ship it sped, we shook-ed our eds , and gay-zed with a feeling rare,
Upon a ship that go-ed in the other direction saying "who are that rabble over there?"
I said, says I "That's the Lancashire Lads, saying whatever shall we do?"
Then before you could say "To me wack fol diddle eye day" they'd nicked the bloody tune.

By now I totally confus-ed was to whom I did belong,
This melody to let, no lyrics yet, who'd be an old folk song,
An identity crisis for seven long years and only after intensive counselling they set me free.
Only to be 'ad by Martin Carthy, (three times on one CD).

Well I've been 'ad by half the regiment, given pleasure all around the fleet.
Abus-ed by all and sundry-aye-ay from me nut brown hair to me snow white feet.
I've been ad by the aristocracy, and by the rank and file.
It's time I was laid in the unquiet grave, like Lazarus to rise again.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: mg
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 03:55 PM

I prefer not to re-use tunes, but sometimes they jump onto words..

Try it with some words to Ancient Mariner..

mg


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: MartinRyan
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 06:37 PM

MtheGM

There are several threads about the song you mention. Click here for the main one.

Regards


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM

Martin ~~a thousand thanks.

I see someone in that thread asked what the tune was and nobody replied, tho it would have been simple, & surely universally understood, to say it was the Star Cty Down air. Is there another tune to it than Star of County Down, do you know?

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: RunrigFan
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 11:44 PM

http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4320

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O6DXFm7p3I7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AlQ0vjCF9g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl3xFnoDZ_I&feature=related


Hope that helps.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Sep 11 - 11:52 PM

Thanks RF ~~ but some omissions even from that comprehensive-looking list: e.g. above-named Moriarity.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: RunrigFan
Date: 20 Sep 11 - 12:01 AM

No worries, hopes it helps.


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: GUEST,Ludmila
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 03:16 PM

Hello everyone!
It is written
here that The Star of the Co. Down was originally a sea shanty. I suppose it is not true, but maybe anyone knows if there is some point in it?
Many thanks in advance!

Ludmila


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Subject: RE: songs to the tune of Star of the County Down
From: kendall
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 04:09 PM

Our own Kat Logan wrote a song to this tune that is so lovely it gives me goose bumps.

...will you greet me in the morning, whith the sunlight in your hair, or will I awake from my dreaming love to find that you're not there...


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