Bert used to hold what could be termed "Singaround" evenings in a pub near his home in Greenwich which is where we met, ("Richard the Third" maybe ??). He was a most engaging, welcoming and congenial man and always seemed to have time for everyone interested in the tradition. I recall that is also where I met Barry Walker and from there, "The Railway Tavern" at Catford. Everything else is history and I have much to thank Bert for.