Art: That was in 1960, the year number-two son was born. Add a couple of years to our friendship! Kroch's was really a crock, but it introduced me to some people who have remained important to me over all these years. Lee Haggerty, for instance, who made it possible for us to start Folk-Legacy in 1961, bought folk records from me at Kroch's. He's still with us, practically a part of our family.

I liked the OLD Gate of Horn much better than the fancy one they moved into. Frank can tell us all about it. He was the local "union musician of record" (satisfying the requirements of the Chicago local) for Ribback and Grossman when I sang there. Those nostalgic indulgences will surely please Rick, whose quest for information about the early folk-revival knows no bounds! We old farts are of some value, at least, to these whipper-snappers, if only as living artifacts.

Sandy