Well, I got a good smacking for my unfortunate choice of language in my second post (incidentally Songbird, and we're on to semantics again here, they were not profanities, but certainly slang and maybe a bit rude), and a bit of a kicking for drifting the thread a bit.

I deserved both, but I'm not sorry for moving the discussion sideways a little - the postings from Harvey (hero-o, hero-o!), Treewind, Akenaton, Maryrrf and Malcolm have been excellent. I'm proud of you guys, I wish I had your debating skills, language and self-control.

A Suitably-Admonished But Unrepentant Johnny.