Look, this is a simplistic thread. I was in a simplistic (and fairly hostile) mood. I have no idea whether the people I mentioned (Maher, Hitchins, Fisk, Moyers) are ACTUALLY speaking the truth or not. What they HAVE done is go on TV and APPEAR to go against the prevailing (lack of) wisdom.

This woman Molly Ivans has been mentioned several times, and although I've read a few of her columns, her TV presence (which was the basis of my argument) must be on some channel that I don't get. I think there are quite a few interesting JOURNALISTS that go against the grain....but I'm asking about those that are allowed to spout on TV.

Cronkite is interesting. Might he REALLY speak from his heart if allowed a regular forum? Geez I'd hope so.

Nope.....the folks I mentioned SEEM to be speaking from the heart.

But then again, I guess Pat Buchannan, Pat Robertson, and Ann Coulter are as well......sigh.

Thanks for the good arguments.

Rick